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Speaker 1: Joining me on the line right now is the opposition

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Speaker 1: leader Leah Finocchio. Good morning to you, Leah. Let me

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Speaker 1: just try that again. I'm not too sure what's going

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Speaker 1: Have we got you there, Leah?

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Speaker 2: Yes, Katie, morning now, No, we haven't.

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Speaker 1: Now, Leah. Firstly, did you have the opportunity to hear

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Speaker 1: so ago? And what did you make of the announcement yesterday?

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Speaker 2: Oh, Katie, I did hear the Attorney General. In respect

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Speaker 2: to the announcement, we welcome it. This is this is

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Speaker 2: absolutely better than nothing, but it must go further. In

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Speaker 2: respect to the Attorney general's comments, it was really probably

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Speaker 2: left your listeners wondering why they're even bothering, because ultimately

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Speaker 2: he talked a lot about their being need to tread

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Speaker 2: carefully because of unintended consequences. Well, what are the unintended consequences?

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Speaker 2: Natasha fars is so worried? It should absolutely be the

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Speaker 2: government's intention that all weapons are included in this reform.

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Speaker 2: It should be intentional of government. And what probably horrified

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Speaker 2: me the most, Katie, was that he said it may

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Speaker 2: increase people reminded, so that means it may increase people

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Speaker 2: not bailed. Now, Labour should be confident that this legislation

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Speaker 2: will result in an increase in people not being bailed.

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Speaker 2: That is the entire point of this reform. And let

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Speaker 2: yet you have the Attorney General saying it only may

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Speaker 1: Why do you think that would be.

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Speaker 2: Because it doesn't go far enough. And I think really

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Speaker 2: he was probably more honest than Labor have been in

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Speaker 2: a long time through those comments. Katie. It is very limited.

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Speaker 2: They've deliberately picked a very limited list of weapons that

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Speaker 2: are included, and of course it doesn't include things like rocks,

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Speaker 2: broken bottles, star pickets, cars, crowbars, all of these other

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Speaker 2: types of weapons we see being used on a regular basis, Katie,

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Speaker 2: across the Norman territory, there are all items that are

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Speaker 2: easy and readily available to people and those have been

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Speaker 1: Leah, I mean, what are you thinking to yourself today

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Speaker 1: after the fact that just last week we had the

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Speaker 1: government saying we're not going to be making knee jerk

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Speaker 1: Minister had said that very sentence to Bill Yan. We

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Speaker 1: going to be having knee jerk reactions like the CLPR

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Speaker 1: and getting the I can't think what they're called the

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Speaker 1: parliamentary the legislative you know, the crew that you were needing, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Parliamentary Council to work over the weekend, you know,

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Speaker 1: that is exactly what's happened. I mean, it does seem

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Speaker 1: so it's a step in the right direction, but they've

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Speaker 2: They have, and it is two years too late, and

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Speaker 2: it is a step in the right direction. I'm not

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Speaker 2: taking away from that, and I think people would expect

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Speaker 2: us to welcome it, and of course we will help

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Speaker 2: support parts it today. But ultimately people need to be

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Speaker 2: very very clear that the government has deliberately limited it

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Speaker 2: to a small list of weapons. There are forty eight

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Speaker 2: weapons that this includes. It does not include improvised weapons,

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Speaker 2: which are all those things like rocks and bottles and

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Speaker 2: without a weapon. It should be that people who commit

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Speaker 2: a serious violence offense start with that position of no bail,

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Speaker 2: irrespective of the weapon, and that will start to protect

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Speaker 1: Leah, look, I certainly I understand what you're saying. You know,

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Speaker 1: we know that the COLP is really calling for this

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Speaker 2: We will support the legislation, but we're also going to

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Speaker 2: move an amendment, Kadien. So I'm literally just asked my

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Speaker 2: start with a position of know about We think this

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Speaker 2: is an opportunity for government to have heard the feedback

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Speaker 2: not for years, Kate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well this is it. We've been talking about this

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what happened then. Now, Yeah, before I

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Speaker 2: You're right, and the jails are full and ultimately labor

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Speaker 3: What we would do, and what we would.

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Speaker 2: And we think for prisoners who present a very low

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Speaker 2: much more seriously at getting them out into work camps,

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Speaker 2: acting fast. And irrespective of the changes in Parliament today,

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Speaker 1: Can hear the bells ringing side. Just ask you very quickly,

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Speaker 1: do you think that the Attorney General's response this morning

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Speaker 2: No, he is making it sound like he was on

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Speaker 3: He is the Attorney General.

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Speaker 2: He went. It pains to say that he is doing

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Speaker 2: his secret review with departmental staff. Well, he doesn't need

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Speaker 3: He needs to be listening to the community.

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Speaker 2: It is the territorians out there who are crying out

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Speaker 2: for change and for action are the relevant people that

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Speaker 2: need to be part of this so called endless time

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Speaker 2: Let's review.

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Speaker 3: He still did not say when the review would be completed.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't pass the pub test that it's not going

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Speaker 2: to be made public. And nobody thinks that the Department

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Speaker 2: and the Minister is in a better position to change

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Speaker 2: which is another reason why we will move an amendment

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Speaker 2: this morning to the government's proposed change so that it

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Speaker 2: makes it stronger, so that all violent offenders are included

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Speaker 2: make an absolute change in people's lives in about seven

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Speaker 1: Leah, please keep in contact with us and let us

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Speaker 1: know how that goes this morning. Appreciate your time. You

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Speaker 1: better get in there.

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Speaker 3: Yes, take care everyone.

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Speaker 1: Thank you,