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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Jovian.

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Speaker 4: It's Jonathan.

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Speaker 3: On the cutting room floor today. I love evangelical ministers.

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Speaker 5: Well, yes, are they the most rational?

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Speaker 6: They will?

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Speaker 1: They will shoehorn their way in and out of any

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Speaker 1: argument and twist themselves inside out to to get their

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Speaker 1: point across. It's quite interesting as now I've come across

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Speaker 1: this guy called David Lawrence Ramsey the Third. He's an

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Speaker 1: American radio personality who offers financial advice, but he's also

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Speaker 1: an evangelical Christian, and every time he's giving financial advice,

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Speaker 1: he brings up Christianity. So this is a big part

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Speaker 1: of his platform.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: He was being interviewed.

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Speaker 1: Here about whether the fact that people like him have

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Speaker 1: a lot of houses makes them greedy and is that

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Speaker 1: part of the Christian ethos.

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Speaker 5: Have a listened to his explanation of all of this, Rick, was.

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Speaker 7: It considered ethical for people to own so many houses?

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Speaker 7: I'm just wondering how as a Christian this isn't seen

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Speaker 7: as greed. Don't you know that buying up all these

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Speaker 7: homes is what's causing it the housing shortage.

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Speaker 8: Let's just start with not the spiritual part, but your

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Speaker 8: economic understanding. That's not what's causing the housing shortage. Investors

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Speaker 8: buying up houses is not causing the housing shortage.

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Speaker 7: That is a thing going around that these massive hedge

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Speaker 7: funds or Blackstone like all these.

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Speaker 8: They're coming in upy, but they don't have a soul Blackstone. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: those guys are buying up.

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Speaker 5: Houses, that's true.

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Speaker 7: And is that affecting the housing market at all?

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Speaker 8: Because that is probably is to some extent, but not

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Speaker 8: as much as tiktoks as it is.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but anyways, you're on TikTok though.

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Speaker 2: I know that's just the truth that.

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Speaker 8: I'm lacking in judgment. But I own I don't know,

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Speaker 8: I don't even know fifteen to twenty houses among a

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Speaker 8: bunch of commercial real estate as well. How is that

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Speaker 8: not greed because I don't own anything. I'm a Christian

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Speaker 8: and that means God owns it and I'm managing it

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Speaker 8: for him.

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Speaker 1: Not fair enough, God owns it and I'm managing it

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Speaker 1: for him, and those hedge funds don't have a soul.

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Speaker 5: It's right for people with souls.

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Speaker 2: Sure, you're sharing a house with God.

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Speaker 3: This is God's house, and in God's house you obey

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Speaker 3: God's rules.

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Speaker 1: And God has chosen me to look after this enormous

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Speaker 1: portfolio of show him.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a big responsibility.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm good luck to it.

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Speaker 3: I remember when I was because I went to a

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Speaker 3: Catholic school, there was a Bible passage it is easier

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Speaker 3: for a rich man a camel. It's easier for a

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Speaker 3: camel to pass through the eye of a needle than

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Speaker 3: it is for a rich man to pass through into

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Speaker 3: the gates of heaven. And that I used to say

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Speaker 3: to the teachers. I used to say, it was give

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Speaker 3: you rich, you can't go to heaven. And then what

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Speaker 3: would they say, Well, they would say, in Galilee and

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Speaker 3: all those places over in the Nazareth and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: The castle walls would have a hole in the side,

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Speaker 3: and it was called a needle, and that's and it

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Speaker 3: was a.

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Speaker 2: Camel sized hole.

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Speaker 3: So the camel would get into the into whatever, the

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Speaker 3: because it was designed to accept a camel.

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Speaker 2: So by that reasoning it was okay.

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Speaker 5: So it is easy for a camel to get through

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Speaker 2: As the priest drived off, drove off in a late

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Speaker 5: Waving to every woman his role ex I said, fair enough.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I all power to them, because they're

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Speaker 3: just evangelical ministers.

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Speaker 2: I just slick salesmen.

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Speaker 1: The evangelicals are interesting because they rely on public money.

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Speaker 1: They rely on fundraisers. I once watched the show in

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Speaker 1: America where one of the like a Nunnish woman was

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Speaker 1: taking donations because they were getting a new satellite dish

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Speaker 1: donate Tammy fay Baker and her husband. You know the

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Speaker 1: number of times masked as being financially corrupt, sexually corrupt,

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Speaker 1: it's quite extraordinary.

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Speaker 2: They believe that's do they do?

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Speaker 5: They believe? I don't know do if they?

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Speaker 1: Some do obviously, But I wonder if these big high

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Speaker 1: end ones really believe.

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Speaker 3: Kenneth Copeland, for example, remember me, he's a big time

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Speaker 3: evangelical minister. I see him on the telly when I

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Speaker 3: come in to work in the morning. Always wears a

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Speaker 3: nice jilet jacket and it looks very earnest and quite

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Speaker 3: quite Bible passages for anything you want straight out there.

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Speaker 3: But he was questioned about his use of private jets

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Speaker 3: by this young reporter from Inside Edition.

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Speaker 5: Do you ever use.

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Speaker 4: Your private jets to go visit your vacation homes for example?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Okay, again, getting back to the comment, you said that

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Speaker 4: you don't like to fly commercial because you don't want

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Speaker 4: to get into a tube with a bunch of demons.

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Speaker 4: Do you really believe that human beings are demons? No?

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Speaker 6: I do not, And don't you ever say I did wrestall,

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Speaker 6: not with flesh and blood, but principalitician powers.

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Speaker 4: Can you explain what you meant by that?

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Speaker 6: The well, let me ask you. But it's a biblical thing,

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Speaker 6: it's a spiritual thing. It doesn't have anything to do

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Speaker 6: with people.

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Speaker 2: People. I love people. Jesus loves people.

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Speaker 3: Jesus did love people, and he would want you to

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Speaker 3: fly out the front of.

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Speaker 5: The plane so you don't have to mix with the German.

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Speaker 3: And Jesus he'd get into the first class lands and

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Speaker 3: he was always wearing sandals.

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Speaker 2: It's is outrageous.

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Speaker 5: Well, he'd always find enough fish and bread up there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course the wine though, as you say, he'd

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Speaker 3: get wine before ten o'clock.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, as you say that you'd find a Bible quote

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Speaker 1: for anything. He just went off on a tangent. The

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Speaker 1: Bible quote had nothing to do with that conversation.

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Speaker 3: It is easier for the eye than new to pass

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Speaker 3: through the wind of the man that is speaking it.

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Speaker 5: That's my favorite Bible passage.

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Speaker 3: Youryberties twenty six, your es Eryberdy's trausies.

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Speaker 2: Your mender is.

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Speaker 5: Have we offended enough people?

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Speaker 2: Now? Okay, Chys, that's it for today.

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