Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
Speaker 1: TV Reload the podcast last week. Thereby, Hey guys, welcome
Speaker 1: back to TV Reload. I want to thank you for
Speaker 1: clicking and downloading on today's episode with Peter Dakos, our
Speaker 1: fifth eliminated celebrity from I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out
Speaker 1: of Here for twenty twenty four. I wanted to quickly
Speaker 1: apologize for not releasing the chats with Frankie and Michelle.
Speaker 1: It was a decision from the team not to publish
Speaker 1: on those days due to the Westfield attacks. I'm sure
Speaker 1: that I will have Michelle on the podcast in the future,
Speaker 1: and of course we're going to hear a lot about
Speaker 1: Frankie and his time in the jungle in upcoming episodes
Speaker 1: from some of his other fellow celebrities, which does include
Speaker 1: chatting to AFL legend Peter Dakos, who of course bonded
Speaker 1: with all of the other celebrities and is my guest today.
Speaker 1: Peter won the hearts of everyone, and of course he did.
Speaker 1: Here is an Ozzy legend. We watched him speak humbly
Speaker 1: about his career, his legacy, and what it's like watching
Speaker 1: his sons create their own paths from being dropped off
Speaker 1: the side of the mountain on his very first day.
Speaker 1: Peter also took part in the first eating trial of
Speaker 1: the season, how gross. He and Ellie also faced the
Speaker 1: shafted trial, where he took electric shocks like the champion
Speaker 1: that he is. Peter's time and the Jungle was in
Speaker 1: support of Flicker of Hope, a charity that raises awareness
Speaker 1: for neurofibromatosis that directly funds research into the genetic disorder
Speaker 1: that affects one in two thy five hundred people. Peter
Speaker 1: does reveal with me today how the experience has changed
Speaker 1: his life and what his family thought of him going
Speaker 1: on reality television. We will unpack the age difference amongst
Speaker 1: the celebrities and if he thinks the result so far
Speaker 1: is a sign that younger audiences are voting. You will
Speaker 1: get some interesting insights into what Peter's relationship was like
Speaker 1: with Hollywood star Frankie and what their friendship is going
Speaker 1: to look like moving forward. I will also talk to
Speaker 1: Peter Daikos about how footy has changed over the twenty
Speaker 1: years since he retired, and what are some of those
Speaker 1: changes that he really likes. There's so much to one
Speaker 1: pack with Peter Dakos So sit back and relax as
Speaker 1: we unpack his time in the South African jungle.
Speaker 2: Ben, how are you.
Speaker 1: I'm very well, thanks mate.
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 3: I'm good?
Speaker 2: Thank you good. Were yet to recover, but all good.
Speaker 1: Your kids were worried about you going in there, apparently
Speaker 1: because they were worried about how much weight you were
Speaker 1: going to lose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, they Yeah, I actually ended up losing. Think,
Speaker 2: so we always knew that it'd be a bit of
Speaker 2: a hard road in relation to food and everything. So
Speaker 2: but it was something I needed to do. I mean,
Speaker 2: I was looking forward to the experience.
Speaker 3: I knew it wouldn't be easy.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't and so yeah, to get twenty five days, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm really tough with having sort of got myself through it.
Speaker 2: It was a good experience, real good experience.
Speaker 1: Well what can you say to me now about the
Speaker 1: experience versus what you thought it was going to be
Speaker 1: like to what it actually was like?
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing, then, you're really I mean, you
Speaker 2: imagine that it's like someone telling you, you know, how
Speaker 2: bad their headache is. You can only imagine how for.
Speaker 3: Their head is.
Speaker 2: I let you it's actually you do have a headache.
Speaker 2: You really don't know. I mean, I knew it'd be
Speaker 2: hard that people will be at home and talk about
Speaker 2: being bored and kolazing. Yet they have the tree, they
Speaker 2: have their phone, they have, you know, maybe the ability
Speaker 2: to walk out the door and go down the street
Speaker 2: or get in the car and drive up somewhere. So
Speaker 2: I mean there was nothing there. I mean, no hot,
Speaker 2: running water, food you get You had to work your
Speaker 2: backside to earn the right to get a meal, and
Speaker 2: when you got a meal, it wasn't enough. And so
Speaker 2: the list to go on and on. I mean, who
Speaker 2: ever said it up got it right. Someone asked me
Speaker 2: last night, probed to change.
Speaker 3: Well, you wouldn't change anything.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's pretty damning the highest order experience, I mean,
Speaker 2: and all we had to work off is the people
Speaker 2: that were in there, and we had a really great
Speaker 2: care in the end, and that made life somewhat easier.
Speaker 1: You said that it was easier in the end. Was
Speaker 1: it not always easy? Like did you just slowly get
Speaker 1: used to it?
Speaker 2: We all were sort of looking at each other, especially
Speaker 2: into the second and third day, But I was thinking
Speaker 2: there was the little log fire we used to sit
Speaker 2: around there. There were logs sitting there and we'd sit
Speaker 2: on them and they're all carved in with previous celebrities,
Speaker 2: and you know, they all had the days, you know,
Speaker 2: cracked in, and you know, I was looking at one
Speaker 2: in particular, which was the last year, and there was
Speaker 2: thirty one days that was cracked in, so that that's
Speaker 2: where it finishes. After thirty one days, and I was
Speaker 2: three days. You know, I thought to myself, firstly, what
Speaker 2: am I doing here? And secondly, how am I going
Speaker 2: to get through thirty one days? I mean, I think
Speaker 2: we all surprised ourselves and I think you make adjustments
Speaker 2: and yeah, again I get back to the people that
Speaker 2: were there. So it worked really well. And we didn't
Speaker 2: know each other, so we walked in blind. I had
Speaker 2: no idea, they had no idea who I was, and
Speaker 2: it was vice versa and in the end we went.
Speaker 2: The first start was finding out a little bit about
Speaker 2: ourselves and starting to forward, you know, some type of friendship.
Speaker 3: And from there, you know, as a.
Speaker 2: Passing week went along, yeah, it grew and you could
Speaker 2: people sort of even opened up more.
Speaker 3: It was yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was great, and that's what made it Was.
Speaker 1: It hard to say yes to doing this show considering
Speaker 1: of its timing and that you were going to miss
Speaker 1: the start of the footy season. I was worried when
Speaker 1: I heard your name being thrown around. I thought, well,
Speaker 1: he's got two boys playing and he's still very much
Speaker 1: a part of the game for a lot of Australians.
Speaker 1: Was it hard to say yes to be to taking
Speaker 1: part of the reality TV show as the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four football season was going to start?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, no, it did. Wild Woman pretty you know,
Speaker 2: as part of my interest in sulf of the Child,
Speaker 2: so outside of the family like most football you know
Speaker 2: in Melbourne, in particularly number one, So I'm no different.
Speaker 2: And I will say though, I mean, you know, well,
Speaker 2: while I was in Melbourne, I got to keep a
Speaker 2: certainty game didn't when I heard a rumor that they'd
Speaker 2: been lobbing to keep me in the jungle because I
Speaker 2: won the next three while it was away on. But
Speaker 2: having said that, it's the first thing I did. I mean,
Speaker 2: as soon as I got my phone back and my
Speaker 2: gear my sort of normal, normal year, I banged my
Speaker 2: phone on. The first thing I did was get hook
Speaker 2: cuts to the internet and went to the AFL file.
Speaker 2: I needed to find out what was going on in
Speaker 2: the world of footy and how the boys were going,
Speaker 2: and yeah it was it was nice, a little bit
Speaker 2: of catching up to do because I've noticed the ladder
Speaker 2: and yeah, I'm stuck by some of the ladder standings,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's going to make over the next week.
Speaker 3: Pretty good viewing.
Speaker 1: I think I kind of liked in last night's episode
Speaker 1: that we got to hear you talking about your days
Speaker 1: in the footy, Like I kind of felt like we
Speaker 1: would hear more of that throughout the season. I guess
Speaker 1: I would have liked to have known more from your
Speaker 1: perspective about footy and how it's changed over the years,
Speaker 1: because we've come a long way now from I think
Speaker 1: you retired at nineteen ninety four and now it's twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four. I don't know for you, how do you
Speaker 1: think that football's changed in those years.
Speaker 2: I think it's changed for the better. I mean, if you
Speaker 2: look at the other look of football, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, when I started in the late seventies, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, guys in the late sixties, you know, I
Speaker 2: would have noticed suit's changes for the game, and then
Speaker 2: you know, all of a sudden, I'm playing through the
Speaker 2: eighties and there were you know, the game got quicker,
Speaker 2: and you know, the whole landscape and the aesthetics of
Speaker 2: the game changed. I mean we went from one umpire
Speaker 2: when I started, to two and then three and then
Speaker 2: not even sure we had three back then. I think
Speaker 2: it was still two, but you know, and now it's
Speaker 2: it's just a real showcase. I mean, you go to
Speaker 2: a FOODI game. I love the build up, the lighting,
Speaker 2: the crowd. Look. The game has changed because the players
Speaker 2: playing it have changed. I mean the kids these days
Speaker 2: they stay at dinosaurs. I mean, and they're dinosaurs because
Speaker 2: the mums that are pregnant are looking after them, start
Speaker 2: taking vitamin being active, are lot fitter than backing our
Speaker 2: I mean, my dad was a smoker in the old days,
Speaker 2: and I'd imagine where mum was pregnant, we'd be smoking
Speaker 2: and funny cigarette, you know, in and around mum off
Speaker 2: is pregnant. Clearly doesn't have a good effect. Although I
Speaker 2: was a tolling at stix footer. Yeah, but I think
Speaker 2: you know, because of the type of kids coming through now,
Speaker 2: I mean you're getting eighteen year olds at are six
Speaker 2: and six and can run like the wind, and so
Speaker 2: the game has changed, and that's what changes the game.
Speaker 2: It's the type of style that's played by the players
Speaker 2: that are being recruited. So yeah, look, I love where
Speaker 2: the games are. We get some great games. It's a
Speaker 2: tough game for other reasons, and yeah, it'll just keeps
Speaker 2: getting better. I think there's been a lot of real changes,
Speaker 2: but I think I'm in hindsight now it's been to
Speaker 2: the betterment of the game.
Speaker 1: Were the other celebrities that were in the jungle, you know,
Speaker 1: interested in hearing you unpacking football and how it's changed
Speaker 1: over the years.
Speaker 2: Oh, well, I think then. Yeah, Look I walked in
Speaker 2: not knowing anyone. They didn't know me, I didn't know them,
Speaker 2: and so we went to work understanding and look I
Speaker 2: was in the end. They were really genuine and genuinely
Speaker 2: wanting to know each other. They wanted to find out
Speaker 2: more about me and my background. They knew a little
Speaker 2: bit about the boys, not much, and you know, someone'd say, oh,
Speaker 2: he has two boys playing. I had to, you know,
Speaker 2: I had they going, and then I'd drill down a
Speaker 2: little bit. Emberone was genuine in trying to find out
Speaker 2: a little bit about the fellow campmate. And I think
Speaker 2: the chemistry grew from that, you know, like and it
Speaker 2: was a great chemistry. We had a really good culture.
Speaker 2: And I always say culture. His attitude and the attitude
Speaker 2: of everyone was really one.
Speaker 3: Of being supportive.
Speaker 2: And you know, if I was having a down day,
Speaker 2: they'd kicked me up and vice versa. And I took
Speaker 2: a luxury item with surprise, surprise was a footy and
Speaker 2: they all loved kicking it or having a go. And
Speaker 2: we're genuinely like they'd be initiating things as they oh, plea,
Speaker 2: let a kick, and I go, yeah, yeah, because I
Speaker 2: love bouncing and kids looking at hand, pointed myself. And
Speaker 2: in the end they had plenty of takers and plenty
Speaker 2: of people willing to yeah, either know about footy or
Speaker 2: pick the footy.
Speaker 1: I love it. I mean that's what this shows about.
Speaker 1: Like every year you hear people talking about that and
Speaker 1: about the connections that you managed to make. Although I
Speaker 1: will say the older celebrities are the ones that are going.
Speaker 1: Is that a conversation that started to happen around camp
Speaker 1: about maybe the people are voting this year are a
Speaker 1: lot younger.
Speaker 2: It's an interesting point. You may I actually didn't think
Speaker 2: about it, so it's clearly something that didn't come up
Speaker 2: in the camp thing. I was probably the oldest behind Denise,
Speaker 2: and then I think the cv amos is the next.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not something that came up.
Speaker 3: And you might be right.
Speaker 2: I mean, the demographic may be that they're a younger
Speaker 2: audience that'd be late more to the younger childe that's
Speaker 2: seen in these reality shows or clearly up there around
Speaker 2: the social media side of things. But no, I don't
Speaker 2: see it that maybe they were protecting us older, but
Speaker 2: maybe they felt we'd gone as far as we could go. No,
Speaker 2: maybe needed to go home. But look, I will say
Speaker 2: on that, I mean it was a bit of sleet.
Speaker 2: I mean I was hitting the pointer that I went out.
Speaker 2: I might not have seemed it, but I would pick
Speaker 2: the pointed after twenty five days and being closed, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it would have been lovely. But I think the funny thing
Speaker 2: is that there's a reward at the as I say,
Speaker 2: light at the end of the tunnel pictures. I'm heading
Speaker 2: over the family and it was getting the stage where
Speaker 2: I was really missing home, especially in the last two
Speaker 2: three days, and that might have come through and I
Speaker 2: think people might have, Yeah, just released the sackles a
Speaker 2: bit and felt that I'd probably done enough time and
Speaker 2: set me on my way.
Speaker 1: What did you think, though, were Frankie leaving early? I mean,
Speaker 1: did you think that was going to happen? Do? Is
Speaker 1: that a real surprise for you when he announced that
Speaker 1: he was going to go home or had some of
Speaker 1: the cam mates that have seen the wear and tear
Speaker 1: on him and started to think that might have happened.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, no, Look it didn't surprise me. I mean,
Speaker 2: Frankie is naturally a Hollywood star. I mean financially, he
Speaker 2: probably could, you know, own a city if he wanted to.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's how well he's done. I mean, he's
Speaker 2: just seen another movie. He's like, he is all hectic.
Speaker 2: I mean he's a Mads car driver, so he's in
Speaker 2: that second year. But you know he races his leeds
Speaker 2: of three hundred k, so you know he's constantly being
Speaker 2: asked for things.
Speaker 3: He's constantly busy. He constantly flies.
Speaker 2: Around the States and visiting countries. And he went for
Speaker 2: a genuine reason, and the reason being he really wanted
Speaker 2: to reset and he wanted time away to think about things.
Speaker 2: And the turn he used the one time, especially just
Speaker 2: before he left. In the two three days leading up,
Speaker 2: he kept saying, I have to be present more and
Speaker 2: we're all probably guilty of that where we're in a
Speaker 2: room with friends, but you're you know, you're having a
Speaker 2: chap at half your mind somewhere else. And he just
Speaker 2: felt that even if he had to stay to the end,
Speaker 2: he was also he hadn't been home for five weeks
Speaker 2: and his life was going away two days later for
Speaker 2: I think a month in Italy, and yeah, he just
Speaker 2: had a he had a massive reset and he just
Speaker 2: had had enough and said, you know, I'm out of here,
Speaker 2: and he wanted to get home. And he did say
Speaker 2: that he always found it hard to be business like.
Speaker 2: He said, I have no friends. I'm just a worker.
Speaker 2: You know, all these layers were pulled back and he said,
Speaker 2: I've made more friends here. He even said to me,
Speaker 2: you know, if you come to stay staying at my house,
Speaker 2: I mean, I've known Frankie for three odd weeks, so
Speaker 2: you know, it's amazing how everyone opened up and he
Speaker 2: started flow that boy did he come home with a bang,
Speaker 2: And yeah, he was. He was one of the ones
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed being around. And he made my time
Speaker 2: a lot better as well.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: I thought he could have won. I think he could
Speaker 1: have been stuck around. I think Australia might have voted
Speaker 1: him in, which would have been unusual because I think
Speaker 1: it's hard and we haven't really seen an international celebrity
Speaker 1: that's come into the show win before. But I think
Speaker 1: Frankie could have won if it's stuck around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, yeah, you're right. I mean everyone had the chance.
Speaker 2: Everyone everyone had a unique, you know, sort of character,
Speaker 2: and that's that's one of the things I really enjoyed.
Speaker 2: You know, you didn't get two people were saying, So
Speaker 2: everyone was a little bit unique in how they approached
Speaker 2: the trials. They're either yelling or screaming or punching or
Speaker 2: stracting or you know how raging and then you know,
Speaker 2: and that was the beauty of it, and that's what
Speaker 2: made it different days. You had a different character or
Speaker 2: a different person I spent a bit of time with,
Speaker 2: and it's a sort of made your time move along
Speaker 2: a lot quicker.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was a good mix of people.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and there's definitely people there that I can
Speaker 2: confidently say that I will catch.
Speaker 1: Up with the sorry and then the last I just
Speaker 1: have to ask the last question. I ask everyone who
Speaker 1: joins the podcast something really short, because you're about to
Speaker 1: get in a car, so I've got to let you go.
Speaker 1: But what if something from behind the scenes, something we
Speaker 1: didn't as an audience get a chance to see, which
Speaker 1: might be hard for you because you don't know what
Speaker 1: we're seeing. But what was something fun from behind the
Speaker 1: scenes that you know, what it's like to be a
Speaker 1: celebrity to go on the show?
Speaker 2: What's it like? I mean hard to put into words.
Speaker 2: I mean that's why I use the term unique. I
Speaker 2: think we use that term when we can't find the
Speaker 2: words to describe an experience or something. And this was
Speaker 2: no different. I mean, you know, in this case, I
Speaker 2: mean it was total bottom.
Speaker 3: It was total.
Speaker 2: When I say total, I mean minimal food. And you
Speaker 2: know they took you to the nth degree. Really when
Speaker 2: it came to hunger, there were no distracted in a time,
Speaker 2: A simple thing like time. We just view it as
Speaker 2: nighttime and daytime. I didn't know whether it was seven
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning, eight o'clock, six thirty. It was
Speaker 2: hard to plan, so you know, paper penns, you know,
Speaker 2: to keep yourself at his games. I mean there was
Speaker 2: there was nothing and did the whole thing was designed
Speaker 2: to take you out of that comfort zone, put her
Speaker 2: in a really foreign, foreign suaye in to get the
Speaker 2: reactions that they do get. And I think the beauty
Speaker 2: of what I was able to get was that And
Speaker 2: what I found was I had no distraction, so I
Speaker 2: had really ample time to think about things. I'll make
Speaker 2: tweets in my life moving forward, definitely, there won't be
Speaker 2: massive changes that there's definitely tweets well be.
Speaker 1: To day Coss. I just have to say you are
Speaker 1: an Aussie legend and someone that is in the Zeigist.
Speaker 1: What a joy to see you in the jungle and
Speaker 1: I want to say thank you so much for being
Speaker 1: so generous with your time and talking to me today.
Speaker 2: Pleasure Fleet. Then thank you, and you know, maybe one
Speaker 2: day would catch
Speaker 1: Up one hundred percent