1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: Do you take any supplements, perhaps magnesium, maybe a multi 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: vitamin is part of your daily routine, or maybe, like Susina, 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: you're just a little bit obsessed with creatine. Maybe you 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:16,119 Speaker 1: have an entire daily supplement regime. On today's episode of 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: The Nutrition Couch, we take a closer look at the 6 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: different supplements that you're likely to need through the different 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: decades of your life. Hi, I'm Leanne Wood and I'm 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: Tod Borrel, and together we bring you The Nutrition Couch, 9 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: the weekly podcast that keeps you up to date on 10 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: everything that you need to know in the world of nutrition, 11 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: as well as all things supplements. Today we chat about 12 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: our current obsession with protein rich foods, the ones to 13 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 1: look for and the ones to look out for. We've 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: also found an exciting new frozen fish and our listener 15 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: question is all about exercise balance. But to kick us 16 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: off today, Susie, we are talking about our protein obsession. 17 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: And I saw a really good post online and it 18 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: was from a dietitian in the States, and she basically 19 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: it was very trendy. It had like millions of views 20 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: and it basically said, young people aren't dying from protein malnutrition. 21 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: They're dying from colon cancer, so screw the protein and 22 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: each fiber. And I thought it was a really nice 23 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: podcast chat because do we need more protein in our diets? 24 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: Some of us, yes, but it's not all up. I 25 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: think all together, most adults eat enough protein. There's spread 26 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: of it throughout the day. Is just a little bit 27 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: off balance, and a lot of women don't tend to 28 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: get in enough at breakfast time. But overall, I think 29 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: we're just a little bit too obsessed with protein. And 30 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: when you walk down the aisles of the soupermarket, there's 31 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: protein chips, and there's protein cookies, and there's protein like 32 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: soft drink. Like it's just a little bit we've gone 33 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: a little bit overboard. Let's be honest. And you and 34 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: me run a supplement company. We like protein. But even 35 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: you and me are sitting here being like, oh, it's 36 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: a little bit too much. So we don't really see 37 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: protein deficiencies in our country. You know, healthy people in 38 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: western countries, they're not dying from protein malnutrition. It's chronic 39 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: lifestyle diseases. It's heart disease, it's diabetes, it's colon cancer. 40 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: The amount of young people diagnosed with colon cancer is 41 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: rising every single year, and it's scary because we're not 42 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: eating enough vegetables. So if we want to have an obsession, 43 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: let's obsess about vegetables, right. But the reality is it's 44 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: not sexy. People don't want to be told to eat 45 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: more fire, but eat more vegetables. But if we can 46 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,119 Speaker 1: put protein in a cookie, oh, we're all full that, right, 47 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,679 Speaker 1: But if we add broccoli to the cookie, nobody wants 48 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: to eat it, right, true. 49 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: I think the issue comes when protein is in ultra 50 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 2: processed foods ultimately, and that is where we're seeing it. 51 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 2: I just saw I AM Real Easy yesterday was in chocolate 52 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: protein milk chocolate in the health feed section, and I've 53 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: just had to look at ingredients and sure enough, it's 54 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 2: ultra process The first ingredient is vegetable fat, which of 55 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 2: course will be a blend of vegetable oils, and then 56 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 2: secondary protein powder, followed by a bit of cocoa and sugar. 57 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: You know, it's in those foods that you wouldn't normally 58 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: find it. So you know, the reason that we're talking 59 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 2: a lot more about protein is that there is growing 60 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: evidence that a higher protein intake helps to calories controlled 61 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: through the day, particularly for women in their forties and 62 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 2: fifties as we lose metabolic rate over time as a 63 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 2: result of general aging and also the menopausal changes in 64 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 2: those cases. We know that protein is an important nutrient 65 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: and the timing of which is crucial. You know, we want, 66 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 2: as you said, it to be evenly distributed throughout the day. 67 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 2: But what has happened in food industry is that they've 68 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 2: clopped onto anything with protein's got a really positive association 69 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: and as such, it's popping up in as you said, cookies, bars, 70 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 2: pizza vases, but like ultra process food. So that's the key. 71 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 2: You want your protein in a natural form or of 72 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 2: course land we're getting it in high fat sources, so 73 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 2: things like sausages, fatty cuts of meat, chicken drumsticks, like 74 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: I'm constantly saying to clients, cheese, chicken, drumsticks and wings 75 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,839 Speaker 2: is not protein. That is fat. You know, you get 76 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: more fat relative than you do protein. So it's all 77 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: about the quality of protein, and really speaking, if it's 78 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 2: on a process food, it's not something that we would 79 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: encourage people to be consuming in large amounts, and you 80 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 2: want it in foods that would naturally be in So 81 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 2: for example, the difference is if we see a higher 82 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: protein yogurt, I don't have a problem with that. That's 83 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 2: not an ultra processed food because the protein was already there. 84 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 2: It's just been concentrated into a higher amount. Whereas it's 85 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 2: never going to really be in a cookie. It's not 86 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 2: going to be in a chip, it's not going to 87 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: be in chocolate, so you don't want to be getting 88 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 2: it from that. So I guess, in terms of what 89 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 2: is a take home message or how do you differentiate 90 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 2: yourself in a supermarket? You are looking for foods that 91 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: would naturally be in so that includes our legumes, that 92 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: includes our dairy, that includes our natural lead meats, our 93 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 2: chicken breast, our lead meats, our seafood. You know they're 94 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: the foods you want to get the natural form of 95 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: protein from. So I guess, lan it leads to the question, 96 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: and you know, we're very transparent. We do have a 97 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 2: supplement and protein company. And by way of background, my 98 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 2: background is in sports nutrition. When I was much younger, 99 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: I spent a significant amount of my working life with 100 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:10,799 Speaker 2: athletes in primarily male athletes, league players, union players, basketball players. Now, 101 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: we use protein powder with athletes traditionally because they have 102 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 2: very high demands for calories, and it gives a concentrated 103 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 2: source of what we call good quality protein and a 104 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 2: small amount of food. So protein powder is generally dairy 105 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 2: or traditionally dairy based. There are plant based versions now, 106 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: but in general it comes from concentrated way protein, and 107 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: so for a heap kind of tablespoon twenty grams of 108 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 2: thirty grams serve, you'll get twenty grams of very what 109 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 2: we call high quality protein. So that's the protein that's 110 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 2: naturally found in animal foods. It's more readily assimilated in 111 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 2: the body, it's got a full range of the amino acids. 112 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 2: So we would use protein powder to basically give athletes 113 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 2: more calories and small amounts of food inconvenient ways, so 114 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 2: they could have a shape straight after training, or if 115 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 2: I had a young athlete trying to put weight on, 116 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: they could have a shape that had twenty thirty forty 117 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: protein in a small amount of food. Now, we use 118 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 2: protein powder in our work with women as basically a 119 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 2: convenient source of high quality protein. So if we've got 120 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: a female in the morning and going to the gym, 121 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: she wants a smoothie. Traditionally you might put milk, bit 122 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 2: of yo get bit of fruit. You might get ten 123 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: grams of protein, but we want our women, for example, 124 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 2: to have twenty thirty grams. We might add protein powder 125 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 2: to it, so again it's operating as a functional food 126 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 2: ingredient from a natural source. So we don't recommend protein 127 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 2: powder for everyone, but we certainly have women for who 128 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 2: it's a great way to get a concentrated form of protein. 129 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 2: So for example, I've got any of my plant based 130 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 2: clients who are vegetarian or even vegan, there's now, of 131 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: course plant based forms of protein. We would use that 132 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 2: as a functional food and it's not for everybody. It's 133 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 2: just a convenient option to get more protein in your diet. 134 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 2: So we're not trying to be contradictory in our advice here. 135 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 2: We use protein powder as a functional ingredient with some 136 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: clients as opposed to a general prescription for all. But 137 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 2: as you can and see, it comes from a natural sauce. 138 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 2: We're not putting protein in a biscuit or a cookie 139 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 2: or even a processed bar and selling that. We're doing 140 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 2: it as a functional food ingredient. As dieticians, of course, 141 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: we want to always be focused on evidence based practice 142 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: and something that we believe to be an optimal way 143 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: of eating, rather than just selling something for the sake 144 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: of it. So that's I guess the take home message 145 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 2: is when you're adding protein in your diet, you want 146 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: it in natural foods that's coming in, rather than seeing 147 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: a chocolate bar and thinking that's better for you because 148 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: it's got protein, because as I said, in many cases 149 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: they're just ultra processed foods. 150 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they are a lot like what you would 151 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: call a health halo. Because if you've got a protein 152 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: bar with twenty grams of protein, but it's also got 153 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: twenty grams of sugar in it, is that actually better 154 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: for you than some Greek yogurt, some fruit, some seeds, 155 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: a bit of whole grain cereal on top of that. 156 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: It might be slightly higher protein, But what is the 157 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: health I guess risk over all of that, And I 158 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: think it's where this health halo, where high protein is 159 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: always good is sort of what we're focusing on them moment, 160 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: which probably isn't ideal because really, as I said, it's 161 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: fiber colon cancer is on the rise across the world, 162 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: particularly in younger people. We've got really high intakes of 163 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: process red and meat. We've got really high intakes of 164 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: ultra process protein rich foods, and what we're missing is 165 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: the fiber to support our gut health, to support our immunity, 166 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: to support our mood inflammation. That is all the good 167 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: things that our gut health can do. But we're so 168 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: obsessed as a nation with protein and macros that we're 169 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: forgetting about our micro nutrients. 170 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: You know. 171 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,719 Speaker 1: Season I see so many clients and they're like, oh, 172 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: I hit all of my macros, but it's like they're 173 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: deficient in eye. And I saw someone the other day 174 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: that was deficient in zinc. She had deficiency of zinc 175 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: and magnesium and her blood tests and I think, so, 176 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: you're so obsessed with tracking your macros, and all of 177 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: your macros are in line, but what about the micro nutrients. 178 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: When was the last time somebody actually tracked how much 179 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 1: fiber or zinc or you know, vegetables they actually get 180 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: in their diets. So I think it's good to care 181 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: about your health. It's good to have enough protein in 182 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: your diet, but don't do that at the expense of 183 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: all the little micro nutrients as well, because they're so important, 184 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 1: and fiber ideally should be coming from whole food based sources. Again, 185 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: if I have a protein, but with twenty grams of protein, 186 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: twenty grams of sugar and ten grams of fiber, it's 187 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: not the right type of fiber I want. It's still 188 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: coming from an ultra processed food, which ideally I don't 189 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: want too much of in the diet. I want my 190 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: fiber from whole grains, from nuts, from seeds, from fresh fruit, 191 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: from vegetables, from legumes. That's where I want the fiber 192 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: coming from. Because all of that fiber, a lot of 193 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: it can break down into probotics. It can feed your gut, 194 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: it can strengthen some of these natural short chained botty 195 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: acids can actually strengthen the gut wall and prevent some 196 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: of that leakiness, which is what a lot of people 197 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: end up with inflammatory and chronic disease type conditions. You know, 198 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: your gut health plays a huge role in inflammation, immunity, mood, metabolism. 199 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: If you're someone who's constantly sick or injured, I'd be 200 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: looking at the overall quality of your diet and looking 201 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: at the overall quality of your micro nutrients going in, 202 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 1: not just being so obsessed with trying to hit that 203 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: protein goal every single day. So, as Susie says, we're 204 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: not anti protein, We're not anti anything where pro balanced 205 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: protein is absolutely important, particularly for women as we age. 206 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: But so are your vegetables, So is fresh fruit, So 207 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: were your whole grains. When was the last time you 208 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: bought a tinner lentils? Yet you know, we obsessed so 209 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 1: much about chicken breast and meat and all of our 210 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: protein type foods. What about our legumes, what about our 211 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: nuts and our seeds. So it's it's balance, it's not extremes. 212 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: That's the big message we want to get across on 213 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: the podcast today. Really we want people to age well 214 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: and age healthily over time and not you know, get 215 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: diagnosed with voal cancer in their forties because they just 216 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: didn't simply eat anywhere near enough fiber and they ate 217 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: far too much ultra processed food when they were younger. 218 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: So it's pro balance, not anti protein. Have a good 219 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: range of you know, essential vegetables and legumes and whole 220 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 1: grains and protein in your diet, but don't obsess about 221 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: one nutrient because generally what happens is it means that 222 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: you neglect the other type of nutrients going into your 223 00:10:59,160 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: diet as well. 224 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: Two. And I think just to clarify what an ultra 225 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: processed food is, because I had a bit of an 226 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 2: argument with a journalist about this land and I haven't 227 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 2: this is I'm asking Leanne Cold this question because she 228 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 2: was telling me that veggimite was ultra process and I 229 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 2: was like, no, that's not what an ultra processed food is. 230 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 2: So I'll come back in a second. So just for 231 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 2: our listeners, and an ultra processed food is a food 232 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 2: that has a range of ingredients that are unrecognizable. They've 233 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 2: got no likeliness to the original food. So cheese rules 234 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 2: have got no they don't look at goboc of cheese. 235 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 2: So the food ingredients have been heavily manufactured to create 236 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 2: something different. So in say protein chocolate, well vegetable oil, 237 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 2: protein powder and a little bit of cocoa is not 238 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 2: chocolate like a base of two. Chocolate is actual fat 239 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 2: cocoa and a little bit of sugar. So they're fundamentally 240 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: different to the base ingredient. So in the case of veggimi, 241 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 2: vegimite is not an ultra processed food for a few reasons. 242 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 2: One because it's more of a four of fied spread. 243 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: It's mostly nutrients with a little bit of yeast. It's 244 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 2: actually quite a simple food. It's not been changed or 245 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 2: dramatically altered. And it's also got an insignificant number of calories. 246 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: It's not a food if there's an insignificant number of calories, 247 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: like you wouldn't call tea a food. It's not supplying 248 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 2: calories to the diet. So that was my argument with her. 249 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 2: It's you can't call it ultra process. It's more of 250 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 2: a combination of nutrients. So I thought that was quite 251 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 2: an interesting example of why of the difference, because it's 252 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 2: so quick for us to label things, and it's actually 253 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 2: quite clear ultra processing. And in the case of protein 254 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 2: type foods, basically, if you look at it and it's 255 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 2: got an ingredient list a mile long, it's ultra processed 256 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 2: and straight away that's a sign that it's not a 257 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 2: good choice. So actually the other just I know we've 258 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 2: gone about this a while, that would lead me to question, you, 259 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 2: protein bread, is that ultra process? 260 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 1: Really? If you look at the definition, maybe we should 261 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: actually come back and do an entire segment on this, 262 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: because truly, the definition of an ultra process food is 263 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: ingredients that are not readily available in a normal person's kitchen. 264 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: That is the actual real definition of an ultra process food. 265 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: So when you're seeing things like emulsify, different types of 266 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: artificial sweetness, soy protein isolates all of this stuff that 267 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 1: you would not normally have in your pantry or your 268 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: frigid home, that's really the definition of an ultra process food. 269 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: So it might have twenty five ingredients, but it might 270 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: still just be a processed food, not an ultra process food, 271 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: because those ingredients could be just a whole range of 272 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: different types of nuts and seeds and whole foods. So 273 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 1: it's not so much about the ingredient list as such, 274 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: it's about what is in those ingredients and are they 275 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: readily available in a normal person's kitchen or pantry at home. 276 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: That's really that breakdown of the difference between a process 277 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: food and an ultra process food. And there's nothing wrong 278 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 1: with processed foods. Yogurt is a process food. Most foods 279 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: in packets, even though they've only got one or two ingredients, 280 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: like rolled oats, are potentially processed foods. There's nothing wrong 281 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: with some processed foods that can be very, very healthy, 282 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: additions to our dyees. But it's the ultra process foods 283 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: with all of the additional multiplieres and additives and stuff 284 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: in there to prolong the shelf life. Like a banana 285 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: bread you make at home may be a processed food, 286 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: but a banana break you buy from Coal's bakery section 287 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: is an ultra processed food because there's so many additional 288 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: additives in there to prolong the shelf life and make 289 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: sure it doesn't go moldy in three days like it 290 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: would it at home in your kitchen bench. And that, 291 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: I think is that real difference between it. But I 292 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: do think we probably come back into a whole segment 293 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: on because there's a I think it's no by the classification. 294 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: There's a whole classification about what an ultra processed food is. 295 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 2: True. True, And the reason I just wanted to answer 296 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 2: this question before we wrap this segment is I was 297 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 2: just thinking about protein and rich foods that I may 298 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 2: use with clients, and I will sometimes use a protein 299 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 2: bread because some of the protein breads are pretty pretty good. 300 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: It's probably a processed food, not an ultra processed food. 301 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, Actually, so that is an anomaly where I was 302 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 2: saying before look, i'd recommend protein and rich yogurt or 303 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: foods that are naturally enriched. Probably the outlier to that 304 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 2: would be the breads. There are some that are actually 305 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: quite good at in protein in a product. So yeah, 306 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 2: we will come back to that on another day, all right, Lynn, Well, 307 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 2: yesterday I published an article with Body and Soul online 308 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 2: and it was simply titled we just pull it up here. 309 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: I read it ages ago, so kind of the three 310 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 2: supplements you need to take in every decade of your life. 311 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 2: So it was just an article I submitted, and I 312 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 2: have had more online hits on that article than I've 313 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 2: had in about five years. So there's something in it 314 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 2: that people are liking. I'm not quite sure what it is, 315 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 2: but I said to you, let's have a little bit 316 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 2: of a discussion, because certainly supplementation is a huge industry, 317 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 2: Like there are so many supplements. Most clients will speak 318 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: to are taking multiple things. I have to be honestly, 319 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 2: and I don't take a whole lot of supplements myself. 320 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 2: I take a methylated fole it occasionally, I take a 321 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 2: plant sterile. I do have some familiar ycholesterol, but I 322 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 2: actually don't pop a lot of pills, but it's certainly 323 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: not uncommon to see clients taking a lot and also 324 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: things they don't really need. So the point of writing 325 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 2: this article was to really take a closer look if 326 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: you're wanting to optimize health or what are the things 327 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: that people of different ages may need. And so I 328 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 2: had just put together a range of things that we 329 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 2: were more likely to be deficient in. So I'll run 330 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 2: through them and then you can sort of pipe up 331 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 2: with some comments as we go. So the first I 332 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 2: went through the twenties because Body and Soul is a 333 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: young audience and certainly for younger people who spend a 334 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 2: lot of time indoors and are particularly sun aware, they're 335 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 2: often not getting a whole lot of direct sunlight. So 336 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: I said, if you vitamin D is low, certainly that 337 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 2: is something you would want to be adding to your diet. 338 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 2: And if you are taking a vitamin D supplement, you 339 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 2: certainly want to be taking it with food so it 340 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 2: absorbs better iron. Because we know low iron levels are 341 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 2: incredibly common in women for a range of reasons, whether 342 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 2: they're exercising a lot, they've got heavy periods, or they 343 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 2: may not eat a lot of red meat. But I 344 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 2: will preface that by saying that you should only ever 345 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 2: supplement iron if your levels are clinically low, you should 346 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 2: never just do it routinely. And then collagen. Now I 347 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 2: think am I allowed to say that we're in the 348 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 2: process of formulating our own collagen supplement to be released 349 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 2: in design by dietitians later this year. Of course, we 350 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 2: have our Glow Hot chocolate which has three grams of collagen, 351 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 2: but will be bringing a product that's a bit more 352 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 2: concentrated for all the girls who want beautiful skin and joints. 353 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 2: But certainly the evidence for skin health and anti agent 354 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 2: comes from supplementing collagen when we're quite young, and that's 355 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 2: something I haven't done and obviously I'm looking significantly older 356 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 2: as a result. So they were the three I picked 357 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 2: for the twenties the thirties. I've just started to talk 358 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 2: about calcium to make sure people are getting enough, particularly 359 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 2: if they're having plant based milks, folate or a methylated 360 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 2: activated folate if you've got an MTHFI mutation, particularly if 361 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 2: you're planning children. And iodine, because we know Australian women 362 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 2: are very low in iodine. It's not great for thyroid health, 363 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 2: and that is something if you're considering your planning pregnancies 364 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 2: and breastfeeding to be aware of your levels in case 365 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 2: you do need to fortify or add that to your diet. 366 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 2: And that's of course why pregnancy multi vitamins always have 367 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 2: iding added, and the forties and beyond is the time 368 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 2: to add some creation in at a minimum. I a 369 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 2: leand will be a fan of creating at all ages, 370 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 2: but we know that's particularly beneficial for optimizing body composition 371 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 2: through the perian menopause or years. Definitely magnesium for muscles 372 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 2: and amega threes to help combat the pro inflammatory effects 373 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 2: of aging. So what do you reckon? Lyanne? Were you 374 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 2: happy with my list? You got any comments? 375 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: I was very happy with the list, but as you 376 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: were reading through, I was like, I was like, Colligen, 377 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: maybe thirties not twenties. Creatine definitely earlier. 378 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 2: And to prove my article, I had to put stuff 379 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 2: in different ages, so I had to exactly that. 380 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: I remembered you only could do three for each decades, 381 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: so I thought, no, that's fair. So yeah, no, I 382 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: definitely think so I do. Like we know calcium requirements 383 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: increase over our fifties, but like you, luck, I think 384 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: it's important to get it in earlier, so you're building 385 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: a healthy foundation and by the time you need those 386 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: higher calcium requirements, which is thirteen hundred milligrams of calcium 387 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: a day once you're over fifty or once you commence 388 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: menopause as a female, it's a crazy huge amount. And 389 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: most of my ladies over fifty are probably taking some 390 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: form of a calcium supplement, maybe not a full dose, 391 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 1: maybe not every day, but it is just incredibly hard 392 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: to get it into your diet. So I think the earlier 393 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: we get that in, the better, And I agree with 394 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: you Idne. It's so important for thyroid function, and so 395 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: many people are, particularly people following low carb diets, they're 396 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: not getting in the fortified iron products like the breads 397 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: and the wraps that Australia tends to add into a 398 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: lot of our fortified products. So I do see quite 399 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: a lot of ladies who aren't, you know, potentially thinking 400 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: about children or in those child bearing age groups that 401 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: aren't really getting it enough. I dine, So I like 402 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: your list, but like you, I would bring creatine and 403 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: say that that's appropriate for every age group. But there 404 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: is some growing research that particularly for perimenopause, we just 405 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: need a little bit more. We'd say three grams of 406 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: creatine a day for most age groups, but five grams 407 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,479 Speaker 1: into those pery and metopause all years is actually more 408 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: important to get a little bit more creatine in because 409 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: you do experience with that big drop in hormones through 410 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: the pery and the metopause or years, you do actually 411 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: benefit from a little bit more creatine. And because women 412 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: store seventy to eighty percent less than men, it's so 413 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: important that you get that in daily. So it's a 414 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: daily creatine amount. It's a small amount, but it's every 415 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: day because women just can't store it and we don't 416 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: want to load with too much of it, like twenty 417 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: thirty grams a day, like some of the research says, 418 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: because you may experience a little bit of sort of 419 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: bloating and water retention. So I'm a massive fan of 420 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: having small amounts of daily rather than huge loading amounts 421 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: for a few weeks than stopping it. So I like 422 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: your list. Magnesium is something that a lot of my women, 423 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: particularly late thirties forties, are taking. You know, helps with 424 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: muscle recovery function. A lot of my ladies are taking 425 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: it for sleep. A lot of them are taking it 426 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: from like a Baur perspective as well. So I'm a 427 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: big fan of magnesium. I have myself been supplementing it 428 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 1: this year and last year as well, just you to 429 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: I think just the busyness of life. I'm training harder, 430 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,719 Speaker 1: I'm finding it harder to recover, I'm not sleeping as 431 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: well with the kids, and so I find that I 432 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: personally am having a little bit of a benefit from magnesium. 433 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: And it's one of those things where I've never really, 434 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: you know, been a huge fan of supplementing with it. 435 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: But again, just like creating, there is more and more 436 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: research coming out. But you also have to use these 437 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: supplements in line with a good quality diet. Right If 438 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: you've got fourteen supplements lined up on your kitchen bench 439 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: to take each day, but you'll die, isn't great. You're 440 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: skipping breakfast, you're sporatic with your lunch. Occasionally it's a 441 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: toasty occasionally it's a croissant. Occasionally, you might have a 442 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: salad once a week, and then you're just eating way 443 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: too much at dinner and the portions are all out 444 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,479 Speaker 1: and the macro nutrient spreads all out. You're not going 445 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 1: to get the benefits that these supplements can really give you. 446 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 1: But I also think it is important to know the amounts, 447 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: like how much to take. For example, if you need iron, 448 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: you know you should be taking a particular amount each day. 449 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: If your iron levels are really low, you may want 450 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: to actually consider an iron infusion. For collagen, we know 451 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: three to five grams a day is really important from 452 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: a skin health elasticity perspective. For joint health, it's ten 453 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: to fifteen grams of collagen a day. But calcium, we 454 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: know that. You know most women need a thousand milligrams. 455 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: It's thirteen hundred once you're over fifty. Cretine three to 456 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: five grams a day. Magnesium, A lot of the research 457 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 1: is pointing towards about three hundred milligrams a day if 458 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: you're looking for some of those benefits, and if you're 459 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: looking I was looking for a client the other day 460 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: who suffers from quite debilitating migraines, and we put her 461 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: onto calcium, sorry, we put her onto magnesium. And the 462 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,719 Speaker 1: research is actually upwards of four hundred milligrams of magnesium 463 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: a day when you're looking at something particular like helping 464 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: with migreat assistance and as a particular form of magnesium 465 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: as well. So actually getting the dose right in terms 466 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: of these supplements is really really important as well, So 467 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: don't just take take it for the sake of taking it, 468 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: because if you're not getting in the clinical dose right, 469 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: you're probably not going to get the benefit of that. 470 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: So it is a really good time, I guess or 471 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: check in to go and see your dietition and ensure 472 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 1: that you are getting a good baseline diet in you 473 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: are taking the appropriate amount of your supplements. You actually 474 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: need the supplements that you're taking to get the clinical benefit, 475 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: and also that none of these supplements are interacting with 476 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: any other types of medication or foods that you're actually eating, 477 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: because some of these supplements can interact with each other 478 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: and other types of foods that are going in through 479 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: your diet as well, which just means that you're not 480 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: getting the full clinical benefit of that. So we absolutely 481 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: always will be food first, and we like to use 482 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: supplements as almost like a sprinkle of you know, icing on, 483 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: like little sprinkles on top of the cake, just to 484 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: give you that little extra boost or that little extra edge. 485 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: But if you don't have your baseline diet right first, 486 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,239 Speaker 1: you're really not going to get too many benefits from 487 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: the supplements overall. 488 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 2: Perfect, All right, LeAnn Well, I wanted to talk today 489 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 2: about a product that I had seen in the supermarket, 490 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 2: actually in the frozen section. And we'll preface this segment 491 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 2: by saying that, of course fresh is always best. I'm 492 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 2: going to look at a frozen fish now. I'm certainly 493 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 2: not saying that a frozen process form of fish is 494 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 2: better than a filet that you buy from the fish 495 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 2: shop or even the fresh section. But what I will 496 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 2: say is that at the moment, when budgets are tight 497 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 2: and food is so expensive, I can completely understand why 498 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 2: the freezer can be a viable option. I certainly keep 499 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 2: a well stopped freezer out with things like dumplings, some 500 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 2: fish filets myself. You know, I love the Doctor O's 501 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 2: pizza because if you're about to spend one hundred dollars 502 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 2: on pizza from the shop and can get three for 503 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 2: twenty at the supermarket, why would you not? And it's 504 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 2: probably better quality nutritionally than fried or fast food, so 505 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 2: I want to place it. If you are buying foods 506 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 2: from the freezer, there's certainly some healthy options. Now, say 507 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about a fish, because we've covered 508 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 2: frozen fish as before and on average, similar to chicken, 509 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 2: crumbed or battered, frozen fish will range between forty to 510 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 2: sixty five percent fish content, which is you know, sixty 511 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 2: five percent is not too bad. That means the coatings 512 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 2: about thirty five percent. Of course if it was high, 513 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 2: it would be better. And I have got a fill 514 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 2: it today that is higher. Now I haven't tried them. Now, 515 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 2: I'll just read it back to a couple of weeks, 516 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,719 Speaker 2: egoly On when we did the chocolate protein yogi and 517 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 2: I had someone right to be at Instera on our 518 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,719 Speaker 2: nutrition couch Insta and say it was crap, and then 519 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 2: someone else and said, well you should be recommending it 520 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 2: if you haven't tried it. I'm like, I can't eat everything, 521 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 2: give me break, we're busy. So I'll report that that 522 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 2: someone said they thought it was crap the chocolate yogurt, 523 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 2: so it's to their own. So I haven't tried these, 524 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 2: but I actually think they're quite a well known. They're 525 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 2: an international brand there I are imported, so they're not Australian. 526 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 2: But again you won't find Yeah, you won't find fish 527 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 2: like this generally from Australia. It will be imported fish. 528 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 2: Like That's the thing people don't understand. We don't have 529 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 2: this huge amounts of fish farms ever in Australia, Like 530 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 2: we don't farm a lot of white fish here, particularly 531 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 2: types of fish that is in northern waters. So yeah, 532 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 2: don't be too distressed. If it's important, that will happen. 533 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 2: And it will also happen because they are often cheaper, 534 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 2: and don't forget with Coals and Woolies, there is a 535 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 2: big price push with those big brands, so they will 536 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 2: go for cheaper options and some of the Australian manufacturers 537 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 2: can't keep up with the pricing demands that will ease 538 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 2: and coals placed on them. So in leading in this 539 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 2: is the Findus range. There's a few different ones. There's 540 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 2: fish fingers and this I've picked today, the two lightly 541 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 2: dusted fish filets with lemon and rosemary. Now they're interesting 542 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 2: productly and because they're eighty percent fish, which is actually massive. 543 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 2: Like I think we've found one other chicken range from Woolies, 544 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 2: which is eighty to ninety percent actual chicken itself, which 545 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 2: is huge. But the fact that this is a fish. 546 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 2: I've never seen a lightly This is a lightly crumbed 547 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 2: option that is as high as eighty percent fish, which 548 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 2: is un believable. It's got no artificial colours, favorites, preservatives. 549 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 2: Now usually retails two hundred and fifty grams, so it 550 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 2: basically serves two for seven dollars, but actually this week 551 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 2: it was on sale for four fifty. That is a cheap, 552 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 2: high protein meal for anyone in this day and age 553 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 2: with the cost of food. And it's also got a 554 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,479 Speaker 2: real splattering of being sustainably wild caught, which is interesting 555 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 2: because I think this is a conversation that's coming up 556 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 2: more and more around the sourcing of the different types 557 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 2: of seafood. Now nutrition me. I actually have to go 558 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 2: to the findus website to find it. I've just realized 559 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 2: they haven't got it listed, so just bear with me 560 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 2: one second. But have you seen these before? 561 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: I haven't seen them, and I just had a look 562 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: and they're not available on my local soupermarket. But I 563 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: will say that findus is spelt fi ndus because it's 564 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: not how it's sound like. I think it's spelt different 565 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: to how it sort of sounds, so it's an interesting brand. 566 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: I don't seem to have it available up where I am. Yeah, 567 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: so per serving is just shull. I have a thousand killogels, 568 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: so two hundred and thirty five calories eighteen grams of 569 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: protein perserve, which is great, but don't forget if you're 570 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: a woman and you're actively trying to lose body fat, 571 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: you need twenty five to thirty grams of protein at 572 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: least for your lunches and for your dinner. So not 573 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: quite enough. You need to add a bit of save 574 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: fetter or chickpeas or something into your salad to go 575 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 1: with that to boost you up over that twenty five grams. 576 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: Fat Wise, you've got thirteen grams of fat with only 577 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: one gram being saturated fat. That's quite low. Two hundred 578 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 1: milligrams of amiga freeze in there, carbohydrate wires very low, 579 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: eleven grams of carbs, so it's very I would say 580 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: it's very very lightly dusted. It's not battered, it's not 581 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: fully crumbed, it's very lightly dusted, particularly looking at the 582 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: carbohydrate content being only eleven grams to serve dietary five 583 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: aer points six grams are very low, and five hundred 584 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 1: milligrams of sodium not insignificant, but also for a frozen, 585 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: prepackaged food, it's not something I'd be overly concerned about. 586 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: So nutritionally pretty good ingredient wise. You've got whitefish eighty 587 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: percent and twenty percent breading, And when you look at 588 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: the ingredients in the breading, it's water, wheat, flour, potato, starch, salt, rosemary, 589 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,959 Speaker 1: olive oil, rice, molina, yeast, and natural lemon flavor. So 590 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: a very good ingredient list. Like we'd say that is 591 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: probably the definition of a processed food, but definitely not 592 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: an ultra process food because we're able to recognize all 593 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 1: of the ingredients in it, and most of us would 594 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 1: have all of those ingredients in our fridge or pantry 595 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: at home. So aligin wires obviously contains fish, also contains 596 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: wheat and gluten, and it is made in Germany, which 597 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: a lot of the frozen fish you will find in 598 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: you know, fish in parts of like Vietnam. It's very 599 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 1: rare to find fish from Australia or New Zealand, it 600 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: is generally important. I'm not sure how I feel about 601 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: German sauce fish. Maybe I feel a bit better about 602 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: it than Vietnam sauce fish. I'm not sure, but you know, 603 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: it is very very difficult to get to fish in 604 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: Australia or New Zealand, so particularly frozen what I found 605 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: in the supermarket. So I do like it. I think 606 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: the ingredients are great. I think nutrition wise it's great. 607 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: We haven't tried it, like Susie said, we can't try everything. Geez, 608 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: give us a breaking you. 609 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 2: Try it, let me know you. 610 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, overall, I like it. I give it a 611 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: big thumbs up. And I think if it's an easy 612 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: addition that you can have in your freezer at home 613 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: to you know, put some hot you know, chippias in 614 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: the oven with it, and have a nice side salad 615 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: with it, I think it's a great option. But I 616 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: would just say the only thing I'd be wary of. 617 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be happy for my ladies that I work 618 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: with to have eighteen grams. I'd want them to have 619 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: higher in a meal. But like we said, we want 620 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: that protein to come from natural sources. So add a 621 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: bit of you know, goat cheese and chickpeas into your 622 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: salad and you'll be able to boost that up over 623 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: or have you know a little bit extra, you know, 624 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: one and a half filluts if that's what you kind 625 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: of need. But I like it overall. I think it's 626 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: a good product. It might just be slightly I guess, 627 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: harder to find where I'm in Brisbane. I wasn't sort 628 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: of able to source it. But perhaps it's a newer 629 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: thing coming in coming in through supermarkets. Is it generally 630 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: Woo Wors is it? 631 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 2: I've only seen it in Woo Worst And I think 632 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 2: it's interesting because what you see happening is all of 633 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 2: a sudden, the brand disappears and they've obviously not negotiated 634 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 2: the terms of the payments that they're happy with. They 635 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 2: can't any longer provide to a big supermarket at the 636 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 2: prices they want, so they suddenly source a whole nother 637 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 2: brand and try it out. That's actually what goes on. 638 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 2: It's really hard food environment and stray for brands to 639 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 2: survive with the pressure on them for supermarket pricing. So yeah, 640 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 2: obviously they've negotiated a reasonable deal with this international brand 641 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 2: and they're seeing so we'll see how it goes, and yeah, 642 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 2: look forward to feedback if you like it or not. 643 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 2: I like the steam Fresh filets, those ones that have 644 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 2: got a couple ones got like a salt parsley and 645 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 2: one's got a curry sauce. They're really quite high in 646 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 2: protein too. They're probably my other go to with clients 647 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 2: for that quick and easy fish option. So yeah, we'd 648 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 2: love to hear your thoughts. All right, I am for our 649 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 2: final segment of the day. This was a another listener 650 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 2: question on our Instagram, so feel free to keep sending 651 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 2: those through. I certainly scroll them before we record and 652 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 2: pick out one I think will resonate. And the question 653 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 2: certainly resonated with me and my own clients when it 654 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 2: said I've heard that strength training is important, but what 655 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 2: is the ideal ratio of strength to cardio? Because I 656 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 2: certainly have this feedback from my clients. I'll have them 657 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 2: talk about their steps and they're walking and they're pilates, 658 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 2: and they'll say, I've been going to the gym to 659 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 2: do strength training, but I say to them, where's the 660 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 2: cardio And they're like, well, I'm walking, and I'm like, yeah, 661 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 2: but are you what's your heart rate? Because we do 662 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 2: need a level of cardio training even those strengths is 663 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 2: important as we get older. There is nothing as better 664 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 2: metabolically for us than getting that heart pumping and doing 665 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 2: some good old eighty style cardio training. So I'll tell 666 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 2: you what I think first and then Leane can give 667 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 2: her opinion. So with my own clients, I will say 668 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 2: I want a minimum. So the steps from counting is 669 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 2: movement unless your heart rate's significantly elevated on hills and 670 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 2: fast walking and probably not counting it as exercise, it's movement. 671 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 2: It's making up for all the sitting down time you do. 672 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 2: So I want steps, Yes, I want some high heart 673 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 2: rate stuff at least three times a week twenty thirty minutes, 674 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: so heart rates significantly increased, like one point thirty one 675 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 2: fifty peaking. So whether that's interval training at the gym, 676 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 2: a bit of running, sure, if you're a really fast walker, 677 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 2: cycle classes, if you are lifting in the gym, hardcore, 678 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 2: if you're going to at forty five, if you're doing 679 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 2: CrossFit training where you're lifting and the heart rate is 680 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 2: really elevated and you're doing interval training between great, But 681 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 2: that's not what I see very often. I see pilates. 682 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 2: I see a little bit of waits at the gym 683 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 2: and some walking, and often that's not enough to change metabolism. 684 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 2: So I think a bit of strength couple of times 685 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 2: a week and then some cardio three times would be 686 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 2: the sort of ratio myself I aim for and what 687 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 2: I'm encouraging my clients to do. Now, of course, it's 688 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 2: all about timing. If I've got a time poor female 689 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 2: with three small children who's working full time, I'm not 690 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 2: going to say to her, I want you to get 691 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 2: to the gym as well five times a week. I'm 692 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 2: going to say, what can you manage? But if you're 693 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 2: someone who does have a schedule that you can completely 694 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 2: engineer and you can exercise as much as you want, 695 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 2: those would be the ratios that I would say to 696 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 2: aim for. But pilarates one session in the gym and 697 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 2: no other high intensity cardio won't be enough. If the 698 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 2: goal is to maintain and change metabolism and body composition. 699 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: I agree, And it just depends on yet, what your 700 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: background is and how much time in the day that 701 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: you have, because it is, honestly, in this day and age, 702 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: it's a real luxury to exercise because I don't get 703 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: ten thousand steps in every day. I don't have the 704 00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: time for that. I't have the time to go for 705 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: an hour and a half walking on top of everything 706 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: that I do, so I maximize my strength training and 707 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: do my cardio straight after that. So at the moment, 708 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: I do four days a week of strength slash hit cardio, 709 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: and my like my heart rate when I'm doing my 710 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: cardio as a finisher is like topping out at one 711 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: eighty one ninety, Like I am absolutely gassed by the 712 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: end of my sessions, but I'm going to make the 713 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: most of that. 714 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 2: When do you have time to do that? 715 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: When do you do that ten minutes? I'll do hit 716 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: stuff for ten minutes at the end of it, and 717 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: I'll just smash myself on the assault bike or you know, 718 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: do some burbies in some box jumps, like it's hardcore, 719 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: but it's only ten minutes. I don't again, I don't 720 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: have time for thirty minutes of extra cardio on top 721 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: of everything I'll do. So I'll do my big heavy 722 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: lifts and I'll finish off with a bit of you know, 723 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: hit sort of style cardio at the end. So I 724 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: aim for three to four sessions of that a week, 725 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: and then I've just started reformer pilates once or twice 726 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: a week with some sauna time on top of that, 727 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: and that's kind of my downtime. We should do a 728 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: segment on saunas because doctor Sacy Simms has got me 729 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: obsessed with saunas. I love it. It's like my me 730 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: wellness time. I just do fifteen minutes in there. And 731 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: it's part of this polarate's gym that I go to. 732 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 2: I keep getting these messages from then. I've just been 733 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 2: at the gym this morning and I'm thinking, who's looking 734 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,719 Speaker 2: after your children? Is that your husband? Again? Is that 735 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 2: the superway? 736 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: They come the k David and I train together and 737 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: the kids go into the cration and the plat in 738 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: the sauna I go when they're at daycare. So I 739 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: dropped them at daycare plice a week and I'll nip 740 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: to the sauna for twenty minutes. She's living at it's 741 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,399 Speaker 1: my it's my time. It's my me, my me wellness time. 742 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 1: But I watch Netflix. I don't watch TV. I don't 743 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: go shopping, I don't get my hair done. I go 744 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 1: to my sauna. That's my that's my me time. But 745 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: to get back to. 746 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 2: The listener question, I I do a lot of maths. Yeah, 747 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 2: that could be the time I. 748 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: Don't watch to see I don't get my head. So yeah, 749 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: that's my my sword, is my me time. So I 750 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,760 Speaker 1: actually really want to buy one, and David said, I can't. 751 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: All I'm committed to it. 752 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 2: I use its room at your house for a sauna. 753 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 2: Need the pizza out, pizza of it. 754 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: You just want to come up and a sauna session 755 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 1: you want, we should, all right, So back to the 756 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: listener question, we. 757 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 2: Can probably put that on the company. 758 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: We're doing a little dinstructed the balance between its strength 759 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: and cardio training. That was a listener question. So that's 760 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: what I personally do. But again, don't base it on me. 761 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: Do what fits into your businy lifestyle. But for me, 762 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: I do about forty minutes of you know what I 763 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: like to call pretty heavy strength training, and then I'll 764 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: smash myself with ten fifteen minutes of cardio at the end. Obviously, 765 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: if I'm sick, if I'm run down, if i haven't 766 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: slept well the kids, I back it off and I 767 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: do it a little bit lighter. But I like to combine. 768 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: You always do strength first in cardio after because that's 769 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: better in terms of increasing muscle mass. It's better to 770 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 1: do your strength training first in your cardio secondary, and 771 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: then I will do a little bit of reformer pilates. 772 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: I've just started that for a bit of my back 773 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: hit rehab issues I've had going on since the beginning 774 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: of the year. That was something my physio suggested to me. 775 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,280 Speaker 1: Just building that inner core strength and stabilizing my pelpose. 776 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 1: That's what I'm doing that for. But I think for 777 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: most people, the right balance really does depend on your goals, right, 778 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: is your goal to build muscle mass, Is it to 779 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: boost your metabolism over time? Is it to strengthen your bones, 780 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,320 Speaker 1: or yes, you should be doing some form of strength 781 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 1: or resistance based training if your goal is great heart health. 782 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 1: If it's increasing your in during increasing your you know 783 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: that exercise capacity and burning those calories, that's good for 784 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: sort of that high intensity type cardio. But I think 785 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: for most of us for general health, a mix of 786 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: both is really ideal, Like Susie said, But if the 787 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: goal is to actually improve strength, if it is to 788 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: maintain as you age, about two sessions a week is ideal. 789 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: If you're looking at building muscle and boosting your metabolism, 790 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,720 Speaker 1: three to four times of strength training a week cardio wise, 791 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: the goal is about one hundred and fifteen minutes of 792 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 1: moderate to intense cardio a week. You don't have to 793 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 1: get your heart rate up to a ninety like me, 794 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: but you have to get it over like you know, 795 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: out of your pre warm up training zone. And that's 796 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: why it's something like a fitness watch, like a garment 797 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,919 Speaker 1: actually comes in really handy to actually know your heart 798 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: rate every single week. So that moderate high intensity cardio. 799 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,760 Speaker 1: The guidelines are one hundred and fifty minutes a week. 800 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,839 Speaker 1: That's about three to five sessions, depending on how long 801 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: you want to go for. And that's vigorous cardio. It's 802 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: not walking. The walking doesn't count. It's the jogging. It's 803 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: a sprinting. It's the interval. It's on the cross trainer, 804 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: it's on the assault bike, it's doing some berbies and 805 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: some box jobs. You can do that functional type of cardio. Two. 806 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: I like to do it at the end of my session, 807 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: just tack on an extra ten minutes to cardio because 808 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,240 Speaker 1: again I don't have time to go for a thirty 809 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,399 Speaker 1: minute run, you know, three times a week on top 810 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: of what I do. But I think an ideal combination 811 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 1: of what I get most of my ladies to try 812 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 1: and do is about three sessions of strength training a 813 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,879 Speaker 1: week with two to three days of cardio on top 814 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 1: of that, but the cardio was often tacked on to 815 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: the end of the strength training, and then I'm not 816 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: too concerned about steps. It's very rare that my ladies 817 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 1: actually hit ten thousand steps every single day, particularly if 818 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: they've got desk jobs in children, because they're just too busy. 819 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: But wherever they're sitting at if they're averaging about five 820 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: thousand steps, I'll get them to try to increase that 821 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: to say six thousand or six thousand, five hundred, just 822 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: a small increase from where they're sitting baseline wise, because 823 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: I just don't think in the busy day and ays 824 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 1: that we live in ten thousand steps is achievable for 825 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 1: most people every day. I know, certainly for myself it's not. 826 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,839 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you, Susie, would get in ten 827 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: thousand steps a day, but I just don't feel like 828 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 1: it's achievable on top of everything else we need to do. 829 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,760 Speaker 2: Is busy women, Well, I only do because I have Taco, 830 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 2: the estrange shepherd dog now, so yes. But what I 831 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,359 Speaker 2: will say is my favorite piece of exercise equipment at 832 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 2: home for busy women is an exercise bike because I 833 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 2: find that people are so time poor the thought of 834 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 2: getting to a gym if you're struggling to get that 835 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 2: amount of exercise in if you've got a bike at 836 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 2: home and no, you can't get your steps either with 837 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 2: your schedule kids. An exercise bike means you can go 838 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 2: and do ten minutes twenty minutes, get a really good 839 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 2: workout in a short period of time because you can 840 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 2: join a gym, but that's an hour you've got to 841 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 2: get there, get changed, Whereas if it's just at home, 842 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,320 Speaker 2: I think if you've got space and time, try renting 843 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 2: one for a period and see. To me, that's the 844 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 2: most efficient way to train for busy people. When you 845 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 2: know you're not going to get the steps, you're probably 846 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 2: not going to make it to the gym, you're just 847 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 2: trying to do something. I would say consider that even 848 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 2: hiring it over winter, because to me that even ten 849 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,919 Speaker 2: minutes of high intensity cycling will be so beneficial metabolically 850 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 2: that those whose time is really you know, let's be honest, 851 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 2: if you've got kids between the age of zero and 852 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 2: ten twelve, it's really hard to get everything fitting in. 853 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 2: So that's just a ninety year or something to think about. 854 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 2: All right, we're going to wrap it up because we've 855 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 2: been talking too long. 856 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: I'll just say, if you're looking to increase the intensity, 857 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,799 Speaker 1: get an assault bike, not a normal stational cardio bike. 858 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,320 Speaker 2: Because there's so much painfully. 859 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 1: Ye yes, you know, got ten minutes, you're going to 860 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: make it count. Come on. 861 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 2: If but no one's doing that, that's you. That's Missauna 862 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,919 Speaker 2: Pilate's assault bike. Let's just start gentle with people. 863 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,280 Speaker 1: They're not usually they're already. I don't think a stationary 864 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: bike will do much for most people. I think you 865 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: step it up to a. 866 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,799 Speaker 2: Side so you can put the resistance up. You can 867 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,320 Speaker 2: get a good heart rate on a risk in it. 868 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,320 Speaker 1: But I like the renting as well. If you just 869 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: jump up to Facebook marketplace and look for, you know, 870 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,799 Speaker 1: rent a bike or something, very most people, very affordable 871 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 1: because a lot of people bought them in COVID. They 872 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,320 Speaker 1: just sit in their garage. They don't even have them needed. 873 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: I rented one for fifteen dollars a week after I 874 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 1: had Tilly because I didn't start back at the gym. 875 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 1: It was really really cheap, and the Garb was like, 876 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: drop me to come and drop it off, and I 877 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 1: was like, yes, please, that'll be great. But it came 878 00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 1: and picked it up when I was done with it. 879 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: So I would go to Facebook mark a place and 880 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 1: look for a good rental. It's a lot more affordable 881 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,359 Speaker 1: than using some of the big rental companies. A little 882 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 1: side tip, well, that brings us to the end of 883 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,399 Speaker 1: the nutrition catch for another week. We mentioned a few 884 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 1: times our supplement company, if you wanted to go and 885 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,279 Speaker 1: check that out, designed bydietitians dot com is the name 886 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: of our evidence based, science based supplement company. And we 887 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 1: will catch you in next week's episode. We might have 888 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 1: to do a segment on ultra processed foods Susie after 889 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: I was rambling on about that for a while. But 890 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 1: thank you for listening, and we'll catch you in next 891 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:28,800 Speaker 1: week's episode. 892 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,879 Speaker 2: And if you see Leanne in the sauna, don't talk 893 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 2: to us. She's having me time.