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Speaker 2: Hello, how's your summer going. Are you on a road trip,

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Speaker 2: be revisiting a special project the team did in about

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Speaker 2: the middle of the year. It's called The Mirror, and

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Speaker 2: what we wanted to do was look at the ten

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Speaker 2: years of development since Julia Guillard's misogyny speech, particularly looking

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Speaker 2: at what's changed for women in politics since twenty twelve,

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Speaker 2: a day for tuning in for the first time this week. Hello, Welcome,

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Speaker 2: but also I recommend going back and starting with episode one,

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Speaker 2: stick around to the end for an update on what's

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Speaker 2: happened since we did this story.

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Speaker 3: This episode of The Mirror is proudly supported by Mecca Empower,

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Speaker 3: a social change movement championing equality and opportunity for women

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Speaker 3: and girls. The last few years have revealed a toxic

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Speaker 4: The women who claim they were sexually assaulted while working

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Speaker 5: Labour staffers, sharing their stories in a private Facebook group.

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Speaker 6: The rumors about her in Parliament House are well known,

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Speaker 3: Have been far from silent.

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Speaker 7: I felt that explosion of frustration.

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Speaker 8: The women's vot kill him, just killed him.

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Speaker 5: Because we are entitled to a bit a standard Theoman

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Speaker 3: From the Daily Os. I'm Billy FitzSimons. This gives The Mirror.

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Speaker 3: On the fifteenth of March twenty twenty one, a woman

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Speaker 3: This is Chelsea. She's a former staffer for a Liberal senator.

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Speaker 3: It was the day of the March for Justice, a

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Speaker 3: protest that called for safer workplaces, including in Parliament. Organizers

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Speaker 9: It was the most amazing act of solidarity I've ever seen.

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Speaker 3: Chelsea came forward with her allegation in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 10: Chelsea Potter, who worked for a federal minister, a colleague

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Speaker 3: In the years that followed, others came forward with allegations,

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Speaker 3: after we released episode three, the Act Supreme Court ruled

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Speaker 3: a mistrial in the case against Bruce Lherman. As part

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Speaker 11: Tens of thousands of women and allies and over forty

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Speaker 3: In every state and territory, women were marching.

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Speaker 10: In Melbourne there were up to ten thousand protests.

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Speaker 14: Angry, tied and frustrated, they marched outside the People's House.

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Speaker 3: Several politicians went to the march that day.

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Speaker 5: Come to his doorstep. He needs to come out of

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Speaker 10: It is good and right, mister Speaker, that so many

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Speaker 10: This is a vibrant liberal democracy, mister speaker. Not far

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Speaker 8: But not here in this country, mister speaker, not here

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Speaker 13: It absolutely beggars belief that he can say, well, aren't

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Speaker 15: Every time these issues had come up and be like

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Speaker 15: Yeah, he was opens at it and everything he said

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Speaker 3: March twenty twenty one was a massive month. On top

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Speaker 6: Quote he's a man who calls his female colleague a

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Speaker 16: Your former colleague, former Liberal minister Sharman Stone, said that

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Speaker 3: Former Labor MP Kate Ellis wrote an entire book looking

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Speaker 18: What was the most ridiculous rumor or rumors that were

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Speaker 3: And on the twenty second of March, Channel ten broke

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Speaker 19: This man is sitting at a desk exposing himself. You

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Speaker 19: Here a man arrogantly points to the desk of a

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Speaker 19: It's far too explicit to show or even describe.

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Speaker 3: The next day, Scott Morrison addressed the nation.

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Speaker 10: I'm shocked and I'm disgusted. I was completely stunned. We

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Speaker 8: For their entire our lives.

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Speaker 10: I acknowledge that many Australians, especially women, believe that I

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Speaker 20: They motivated me every day on this issue. They have

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Speaker 8: In this job.

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Speaker 10: And to them, I say, to you girls, I will

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Speaker 14: Everyone looking back would say there were aspects that we

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Speaker 3: Susan Lee was a minister in Morrison's government at the time.

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Speaker 14: And I certainly acknowledged that, and I acknowledg that we

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Speaker 9: However, there were many.

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Speaker 14: Things that we did that were good in response to

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Speaker 12: The events of recent weeks have been disturbing, distressing and

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Speaker 3: The Jenkins Review set out to shine a light on

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Speaker 3: the experiences of those who work or have worked in

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Speaker 9: The sheer volume of people who had contributed was mind blowing.

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Speaker 3: More than one seven hundred people participated.

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Speaker 9: Just to get the review done felt like everest.

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Speaker 3: On the thirtieth of November twenty twenty one, the findings

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Speaker 3: found one in two parliamentary staffers had experienced at least

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Speaker 21: Some cohorts in the parliament are particularly vulnerable.

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Speaker 3: This is Sex Discrimination Commissioner Kate Jenkins, who led the review.

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Speaker 21: Women we spoke to told us they felt lucky when

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Speaker 9: we all already know there is a problem here.

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Speaker 14: We heard that people are often punished for reporting misconduct

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Speaker 3: The report was damning, but that day Parliament for some

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Speaker 9: Why aren't you paying for the social housing?

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Speaker 12: We know that we know.

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Speaker 3: Senator Jackie Lambee was speaking in the Senate when some

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Speaker 3: Senator Hanson Young called it out.

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Speaker 21: I don't think it's appropriate, given what has been handed

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Speaker 9: I mean really growling, mister Priss.

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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, in the House of Representatives, Anthony Albanesi told Peter

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Speaker 9: They essentially said the Parliament should acknowledge the hurt and

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Speaker 9: We walked in, we sat down and it's just camera

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Speaker 10: And the place that should have been a place of

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Speaker 3: Out Morrison's coalition government committed to implementing all twenty eight

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Speaker 10: I want this building to be a place where young

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Speaker 9: And then you had some MPs who you just sat

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Speaker 3: On the tenth of April twenty twenty two, Morrison called

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Speaker 8: We finally have a date.

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Speaker 3: It was between the Scott Morrison led Coalition Ensure.

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Speaker 4: We can be even better if we have a better government.

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Speaker 3: Morrison started behind in the polls.

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Speaker 8: I'm sorry, I don't believe it's been resolved.

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Speaker 10: Know Australians know that I can be a bit of

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Speaker 8: I know there are things that are going to have

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Speaker 3: While the Coalition grappled with its so called women's issue,

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Speaker 5: And what I want to see for this country is

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Speaker 3: The day before the election, Julia Gillard made a rare

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Speaker 5: And I know that a government led by Albow will

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Speaker 3: On the twenty first of May the election arrived, Morrison lost.

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Speaker 10: It's a difficult night for Alls and nationals around the country,

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Speaker 3: But the focus of this election wasn't just the major parties.

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Speaker 14: This federal election has been dubbed Independence Day as a

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Speaker 3: The Teals are a group of loosely aligned political candidates

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Speaker 21: It's going to be a huge crossbench of those Teal

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Speaker 3: Female independence have made history.

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Speaker 8: They never underestimate the power of women.

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Speaker 4: I don't think any election result is ever traceable back

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Speaker 4: But I think in Scott Morrison's loss in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 15: No doubt. The women's vote killed him, just killed him,

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Speaker 3: Josh Friedenberg was the treasurer in Morrison's government.

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Speaker 15: Josh Reckons only about thirty five percent of the women

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Speaker 3: His seat was taken by Teal independent doctor Manique Brayan.

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Speaker 14: Look, there's a review into why we lost the election,

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Speaker 14: So I'm not going to accept that there was one reason.

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Speaker 14: When I spoke to women, they talked about the events

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Speaker 3: A record number of women were elected to Parliament in

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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty two election. Australia also elected its most

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Speaker 9: My Teawe name is mang Lily Diedley I'm.

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Speaker 5: An Australia Vietnamese heritage.

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Speaker 3: Thought then and Sally Sitchu.

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Speaker 13: I am a proud Chinese loud for some.

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Speaker 13: It's important to have someone like me in our federl Parliament.

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Speaker 13: Not for diversity's sake, but because representatives that embody all

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Speaker 3: One of the new senators was Fatima Payman.

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Speaker 9: I call Senator Payment, thank you President.

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Speaker 23: I rise to present my first speech. Finally, I stand

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Speaker 23: before you tonight as a young woman, as a West Australian,

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Speaker 23: as a Muslim, devout to her faith, proud of her heritage.

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Speaker 24: And grateful to this beautiful country. In nineteen ninety nine,

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Speaker 3: On his way, Payman's father didn't get to see her

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Speaker 25: Life is short and very unpredictable, so we cannot even

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Speaker 9: Carpe DM.

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Speaker 3: When Paymin decided to run for the Senate, she never

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Speaker 3: thought she would succeed. It is an unwinnable seat, but

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Speaker 3: here we are growing up. She didn't aspire to go

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Speaker 25: So my parents were like, become a doctor, and I

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Speaker 6: Sure thing.

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Speaker 3: And seeing what Julie Gillard went through didn't help.

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Speaker 25: You just realized that politics can be quite brutal to women.

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Speaker 3: Payman was seventeen when Gillard made ho misogyny speech.

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Speaker 25: It was just ticking every box. You're like, oh my god,

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Speaker 25: I feel that, Oh my goodness. You know, we do

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Speaker 3: And so now in Parliament herself, she has a poster

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Speaker 25: Because it's just a reminder that, you know, we've come

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 25: I've been asked questions after my election, things like how

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Speaker 25: I've just spoken like this is my whole entire life.

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Speaker 25: It's not like I stood in front of mirror practiced

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Speaker 25: my English. It may not be sexism, and I may

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Speaker 25: that condescending tone of like, oh you're a little girl,

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Speaker 3: The question is will that work be done by the

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Speaker 25: Australia has shown their appetite for diversity, for inclusion and

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Speaker 9: People know they're on notice.

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Speaker 3: Sarah Hanson Young is a Green Senator. She's been in

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Speaker 7: It's improving because a light has been shone on it

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Speaker 9: It's nowhere near fixed or.

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Speaker 7: Perfect, but it has definitely changed, and the culture is

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Speaker 7: Whereas for me and for Julia Gillard and for other

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Speaker 9: We have been through a really horrible time. It's been

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Speaker 5: What I am absolutely confident of is it will be

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Speaker 5: and the woman after that. And I'm proud of plant.

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Speaker 2: In this episode, we mentioned that a mistrial had been

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Speaker 2: next year. Now, since then, the act Director of Public Prosecutions,

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Speaker 2: Shane Drumgold, announced he would not proceed with the planned

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Speaker 2: significant and unacceptable risk to higgins life. If you want

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Speaker 2: this story in twenty twenty three, including potential civil cases

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Speaker 2: and an investigation of the role of police in the case,

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Speaker 2: you can listen to an episode we did a few

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Speaker 2: weeks ago called what happens now that Bruce Lehman criminal

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Speaker 2: trial has been dropped? I have thrown a link to

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Speaker 2: that episode in today's show notes. Thanks for listening to

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