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Speaker 1: always will be. Hello, dear listener, and welcome to Two

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Speaker 2: I'm Georgie Tunney.

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Speaker 3: I'm Abbie Jelmy, and we are pumped as always to

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Speaker 3: get to the headlines of what's been making news in

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Speaker 4: But Georgie, our deep dive today. It's a super deep one.

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Speaker 3: It's one that you can need a whiteboard and a

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Speaker 3: pen to understand and oxygen. But we are going to

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Speaker 3: take you through because it's Peter Bowl and how he

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Speaker 3: has been so greatly wronged in the plight for clean sport.

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Speaker 3: He's innocent, We know that, does the mud stick? Who

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Speaker 3: has to answer for it? So many questions, so many questions.

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Speaker 3: This is all coming off the back of the World

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Speaker 3: Champs in Budapest, which is also making our headlines.

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Speaker 4: So should we get to it.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: The AFL's Chop eight Finals footy.

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Speaker 2: Can you taste it? Jelmy, can yes smell it?

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Speaker 3: We're in Victoria, of course you can. It tastes like

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Speaker 1: I have full disclosure that ahead of this the final

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Speaker 1: like Jelmy Carlton flag favorites.

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Speaker 2: There it is. I've said it.

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Speaker 3: They're still in the running, They've still got momentum. They're fine,

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Speaker 4: But George, you've got a fun fact.

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Speaker 1: I do have a fun factor the Brisbane Lions. Yes,

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Speaker 2: That's actually not the fun fact.

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Speaker 1: But apparently the Brisbane Lions they have not lost a

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Speaker 1: And during this final series, because they finished so high

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Speaker 3: As a Lion cub, does that fill you with confidence

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Speaker 1: No, if you want to get there, Yeah, you want

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Speaker 1: get to the big dance.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: What if it's Brisbane and the Broncos in respective finals

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Speaker 2: Guys, I'll be moving.

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Speaker 1: I'll have to go back to I'll have to go

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Speaker 1: Speaking of down Under hosting things, the Women's World Cup

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Speaker 1: He instead held a press conference saying I'm not standing down.

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Speaker 3: When FIFA like, you clearly can't sort this out among yourself,

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Speaker 4: Stand down, stand down.

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Speaker 1: So this is a moving story. There will be more developments.

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Speaker 1: At the moment, he has been forcibly stood down the coach, which,

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Speaker 1: He's come out now and said, oh, it was inappropriate

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Speaker 3: And yet he hasn't stood down, but the rest of

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Speaker 3: it's not right, but the rest of quit.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the rest have stood down in kind of protest

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Speaker 2: Three.

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Speaker 3: Nina Kennedy is a world champion in the pole vault,

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Speaker 3: and it happened in the most incredible way, which we'll

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Speaker 4: This isn't Hollywood, This is actually happening.

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Speaker 3: This is real life, This is real competition.

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Speaker 1: They were discussing whether they should have a jump off

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Speaker 3: Incredible, two champions crowned.

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Speaker 4: They can hardly believe the way in which it's finished.

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Speaker 1: Can I just make a little bit of a petition

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Speaker 1: here that Ozzie rules. Isn't actually our national sport, it's

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Speaker 2: Surprisingly, we're so good at it.

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Speaker 1: Steve Hooker, Taddiana Gregory over, hello, Hello, Nina.

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Speaker 5: Like what.

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Speaker 3: It's also the most Australian thing, but perhaps not the

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Speaker 3: most American thing to be like Gall, I'm tired.

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Speaker 4: Fatigue is setting in. Do you just want to split this?

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Speaker 4: Are we good? And I love that?

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Speaker 3: In both their post interviews and just like they both

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Speaker 4: I'm so down for that.

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Speaker 1: fun fact segment. Also overseas, the Fever World Cup is

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Speaker 1: happening right now. The Boomers mixed results. First game defeated Finland.

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Speaker 2: Take that. Finn's second game lost to Germany. Damn it Germans.

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Speaker 2: So we still have a little bit of work to do.

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Speaker 1: Still positive, Patty Mills is there scoring all the points,

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Speaker 1: Brisbane Broncos are going to win the NRL Premiership.

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Speaker 2: We still have one round of the regular season to go.

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Speaker 4: It's funny, but that's not what our NRL headline is.

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Speaker 2: What is Oh hang on, let me just hang on.

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Speaker 3: You're letting my impartiality really dictate where we're going.

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Speaker 1: It's not about the Broncos. That seems like an oversight.

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Speaker 3: This is Russell Crowe still at the Rabbito's Still can

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Speaker 3: let them all charging and fight to the death.

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Speaker 4: Is this just wanting to do it?

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Speaker 2: Hey, they'd sell out. They'd sell out any stadium in

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Speaker 2: Australia if they wanted to.

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Speaker 6: Do that, And that's a good sat to finish our headlines.

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Speaker 3: The Tokyo Olympics twenty twenty. So it happened in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty one. The greater part of Australia was all lockdown

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Speaker 3: and we were looking for a hero for a story

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Speaker 4: Bulls there for the moment.

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Speaker 7: Tom Comriente in Peter Bowl nineteen sixty eight, the last

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Speaker 7: on Peter Viskodo, he's in the finals.

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Speaker 2: He has won the Sumi.

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Speaker 5: Finally, my mom did call me and said, I'm not

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Speaker 1: And that's how obsessed everyone was with him and the

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Speaker 3: Good boy on careersy. Now Peter's going to hold these

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Speaker 7: Take him a ready Australian Olympian. Peter Bowl has been

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Speaker 3: The result of the part B analysis was an atypical finding.

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Speaker 7: There is no difference between an atypical finding and a

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Speaker 3: Neither one provides any evidence that Peter did anything wrong.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, I have nothing to hide, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: in order to understand how this all happened, you need

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Speaker 2: I'm going to start calling you doctor Jellmy thank you.

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Speaker 3: Hen I've forgot my lab cope but sometimes referred to

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Speaker 1: So basically it allows you to create a lot more

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Speaker 3: This is not something that Peter could have accidentally had

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Speaker 4: This is a huge mistake. I haven't done it.

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Speaker 1: I just cannot even fathom that for someone who has

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Speaker 3: And there is no clarity provided to you or your

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Speaker 4: All of this could have been avoided.

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Speaker 8: This whole process shouldn't have come out until the b sample,

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Speaker 1: Did that leak rob you of that opportunity at the

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Speaker 1: Why would you want to keep competing for a country

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Speaker 3: Because to continue doing what you love and what you're

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Speaker 1: we know, we admit they're not perfect systems, but they

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Speaker 1: will allow us to catch hopefully most of the drug cheats,

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Speaker 1: most people doping. We do accept that there are going

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Speaker 1: to be innocent people that are carried into that, because

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Speaker 1: then it's not a perfect system.

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Speaker 3: And at least those world bodies have come out and

446
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Speaker 3: the day that Peter was going to race in his

447
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Speaker 3: first heat of the eight hundred in Budapest have come

448
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Speaker 3: out and said it's a disaster. The worst thing that

449
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Speaker 3: could have possibly happened happened in this case because three

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Speaker 3: weeks on the first of August, again we're talking from

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Speaker 3: January tenth to only the first of August was it

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Speaker 3: officially dropped as an investigation.

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Speaker 1: How do you change the system then, how do we

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Speaker 1: protect athletes by not becoming the next Peter Bowl.

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Speaker 4: This conversation has happened.

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Speaker 3: The conversation you and I are having now is relevant

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Speaker 3: because of Peter's performance at the World Champs, where in

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Speaker 3: the heat the commentary itself says this, and it's.

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Speaker 8: Gonna be pol who's run out of this one.

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Speaker 5: I think I can't stay leading Prava and Mula coming

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Speaker 5: through Brown Jerrett, but Pernica.

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Speaker 7: Their talent in form and Paula joked the.

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Speaker 5: Cross the line one twenty four, He's sure to kept

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Speaker 5: running harder.

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Speaker 4: He should have kept running harder. Do you know worry?

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Speaker 3: He did keep running George through the media because understandably,

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Speaker 3: after the week that's been, after the year that's been,

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Speaker 3: Peter didn't want to comment. And hopefully it's our role

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Speaker 3: now as the media that Peter doesn't have to because

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Speaker 3: we see someone that's been so clearly wronged. We can

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Speaker 3: take on that conversation for him. And if he wants

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Speaker 3: to let his running do the talking, that's up to him.

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Speaker 3: If he decides he never wants to run again, that's

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Speaker 3: also up to him and it would be understandable. But

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Speaker 3: it's our job now to explain how this happened to

476
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Speaker 3: someone who's innocent, and to keep pressure on the governing bodies.

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Speaker 3: What are you going to do about it? And the

478
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Speaker 3: problem is, in order to have clean sport, there is

479
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Speaker 3: no better testing method for EPO that means that innocent

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Speaker 3: people aren't going to continually be found guilty of cheating.

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Speaker 2: Within that parameter.

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Speaker 1: Then of their having to be innocent victims to keep

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Speaker 1: the sport clean. It sounds really great and it sounds

484
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Speaker 1: very very virtuous until it happens to someone that you love.

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Speaker 1: And as Australians, we loved Peter Bowl. I hope we

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Speaker 1: still do love him. But there will be people on

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Speaker 1: the street who don't know the latest twists and turns

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Speaker 1: that have happened in this roller coaster ride of an

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Speaker 1: eight months for Peter Bowl. They will still just remember

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Speaker 1: the back page that called him a drug cheat, Like

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Speaker 1: I wonder what happened to that guy? I mean, I

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Speaker 1: guess he's out of the sport because because he cheated

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Speaker 1: and you know he's been suspended, et cetera, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: Rather than maybe the alternative reading, which is Peter Bowl

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Speaker 1: isn't performing very well because he's had the mental load

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Speaker 1: of dealing with being falsely accused of being a drug.

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Speaker 3: Check and in his own words in that Spotlight interview,

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Speaker 3: he said, well, if I go out and break a

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Speaker 3: national record, people are going to think I'm still on

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Speaker 3: the juice. And if I stop performing well, people are

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Speaker 3: going to think because I got off that And I

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Speaker 3: can't control that narrative. But what he can control is

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Speaker 3: that he's running to clear his name.

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Speaker 1: And also I think he's running for himself now. He's

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Speaker 1: running for his family, He's running for the people that

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Speaker 1: did stand behind him, because, in his own words, the

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Speaker 1: governing body hasn't.

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Speaker 8: We wanted the people that in charge to give that

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Speaker 8: support as well, and have they. I mean maybe they're

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Speaker 8: ringing a different number, but certainly not ringing you directly,

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Speaker 8: absolutely or not. And I wouldn't even pick up right now.

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Speaker 3: I just think someone at Athletics Australia or Sports Integrity

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Speaker 3: Australia need to put their hand up and explain what's

514
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Speaker 3: happened here. Someone needs to come out and take ownership

515
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Speaker 3: of this, in the same way that Pete was forced

516
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Speaker 3: to take ownership of an error that he actually didn't make.

517
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Speaker 3: But someone has done him a massive disservice here we

518
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Speaker 3: wouldn't be talking about it. He perhaps would have competed

519
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Speaker 3: differently to national championships. He subbed out of training to

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Speaker 3: the point where he was cycling and playing basketball because

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Speaker 3: he wasn't running, because what was the point. And I

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Speaker 3: really hope, I really really hope that brands get behind

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Speaker 3: Peter and stick with him because he's innocent and he's

524
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Speaker 3: done nothing wrong, and I really believe in clean sport.

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Speaker 3: I think it's so important, particularly with Olympics. You think

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Speaker 3: of all those golden moments, those Kathy moments that it

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Speaker 3: gives Australia and different countries to have someone bearing your

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Speaker 3: flag do well once every four years on that international stage,

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Speaker 3: and how much those moments punctuate our culture as a

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Speaker 3: sport loving nation that can only continue to exist in

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Speaker 3: a manner that makes you feel good about the world

532
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Speaker 3: if sport is clean. And unfortunately, this is the only

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Speaker 3: way that we can keep sport clean. But there are

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Speaker 3: innocent victims of that, and Peter Bowl, unfortunately, has been

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Speaker 3: the human toll.

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Speaker 1: I think the telling thing has really been throughout this

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Speaker 1: last eight months of hell and turmoil for Peter Bowl,

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Speaker 1: the silence from Athletics Australia, Sport Integrity Australia's come out

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Speaker 1: and said, you know, it's a disaster. All that great,

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Speaker 1: great to talk about it now, but where were you

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Speaker 1: in the last eight months? As Peter Bowl says, they're

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Speaker 1: not calling him, but Athletics Australia as far as they're concerned.

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Speaker 1: They say their hands were tied with the protocols that

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Speaker 1: are in place and that they couldn't do any They

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Speaker 1: couldn't do anymore. They've also said in a statement that

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Speaker 1: Peter Bowl's welfare was always at the top of mind.

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00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: They asked Sport Integrity Australia to hurry up the investigation

548
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Speaker 1: as quickly as possible, tied up so that it wouldn't

549
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Speaker 1: be so distressing and disruptive and frustrating for Peter and

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Speaker 1: his team and Athletics Australia.

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Speaker 4: None of that sounds like an apology for it being leaked.

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Speaker 1: I'm missing the word sorry in any of the statement.

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Speaker 2: It's not there.

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Speaker 3: How difficult would it be to move beyond anger such

555
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 3: justified anger at being so unfairly treated and so wronged,

556
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 3: and no one picked up the phone to then perform

557
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Speaker 3: under that banner.

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Speaker 4: It's unimaginable.

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Speaker 1: We started this discussion with Peter Bowl telling us or

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Speaker 1: reminding us that everyone is his people everyone is part

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Speaker 1: of his unit, and I think that we owe it

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Speaker 1: to him as our golden boy who has been so wronged,

563
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Speaker 1: to stay with him, to support him, to show him

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Speaker 1: that he's our people as well.

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Speaker 3: We really hope to see you in Paris, Pete, but

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Speaker 3: if we don't, we understand and we're so sorry for

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00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 3: what happened to you.

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Speaker 2: Jellmy.

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Speaker 1: You and I obviously are all about sports. Hopefully, dear listeners,

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Speaker 1: you are too, and we're about the big moments in sports.

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Speaker 1: We're also about learning. It's our gift to you. This

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Speaker 1: is our favorite segment, fun Facts, Fun Facts, Jellmy. We

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Speaker 1: mentioned it in our headlines about our latest world champion

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Speaker 1: in athletics, Nina Kennedy sharing gold with her best friend

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Speaker 1: Katie Moon.

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Speaker 2: Did you know that one you can actually do? Did

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Speaker 2: you know that? Did you know that you can share

578
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Speaker 2: gold medals?

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Speaker 3: The only reason I knew this was because of Tokyo,

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Speaker 3: because I was watching it in a studio with the

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Speaker 3: men's high jump and there were salute scenes.

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Speaker 4: Roll the clip.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna share.

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Speaker 7: It, They're gonna share it, this series, share it, shoot it.

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Speaker 2: So there you go, fantastic.

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Speaker 4: I jump off and there Florida's guitar. That is the

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Speaker 4: man by the Italian Jan Marco.

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Speaker 3: The contacts Italians on the ground, rolling around in absolute ecstasy.

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Speaker 1: It was one of my favorite moments of the Games,

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Speaker 1: and I had forgotten about it, to my shame until

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Speaker 1: I saw Nina Kennedy and I thought.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's right. In track and field you can share golds.

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Speaker 2: It's wild.

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Speaker 1: You can mutually agree to no longer compete after you

595
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Speaker 1: reach a certain time, right, So it's like you've tried,

596
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Speaker 1: You've tried, You've keep jumping, jump and jumping, and.

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Speaker 2: Then it's like I am done.

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Speaker 1: But that was the first time that an Olympic track

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Speaker 1: and field medal a gold medal had been shared at

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Speaker 1: the Tokyo Olympics or at an Olympic Games since nineteen twelve.

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Speaker 1: So that's a big time. In between drinks that people thought,

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Speaker 1: you know what, let's have that camaraderie and extend it.

603
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Speaker 3: And also I think the world needs did a group

604
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 3: hug covid had been so rough, everyone.

605
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Speaker 4: Was angry at everyone.

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Speaker 3: There was something about watching two different athletes from different

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Speaker 3: nations instead of going stuff you I'm gonna fight for

608
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Speaker 3: the death. I'm the greatest of all time, just the

609
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Speaker 3: complete love and joy because they split. It was why

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Speaker 3: you love sport.

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Speaker 1: But also it can only obviously happen for certain events, right.

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Speaker 4: There are some sports where it would ruin the theater.

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine if we didn't have a penalty shootout?

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Speaker 3: Oh against France? No how in a World Cup because

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Speaker 3: they're like, look, you can't share.

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Speaker 1: I may have shared the semi final result though with

617
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Speaker 1: England we could both play three teams on the pitch

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Speaker 1: in the.

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Speaker 2: Final show, let's go for it. I don't worry work

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Speaker 2: would you do it?

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Speaker 3: No one needs to know about that side of me yet, George.

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm a very competitive person. Whether it's Connect four,

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Speaker 3: whether it's monopoly, it just doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: I'ms a bachelor sweep stage.

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Speaker 3: I would like to think, I'd like to think that

626
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Speaker 3: i'd be a better person and I would share.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't, No, I damn well wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Actually, hang on, I wouldn't until I absolutely knew that

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Speaker 1: I couldn't win like myself.

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Speaker 3: That's it this week for two good sports. Thanks for

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Speaker 3: hanging around to Georgia. We actually have an Instagram handle,

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Speaker 3: so hit us up.

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Speaker 2: We do two good sports podcasts. Go follow it.

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Speaker 1: We're going to have all of the news, some behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes stuff, some of the best social clips. Because yes,

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Speaker 1: you may have been able to tell Gelmy and I

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00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: get quite excited by certain random things and our voice

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Speaker 1: does change a lot. But also along with our voice,

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Speaker 1: our facial expressions are really quite something. So follow that

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Speaker 2: Too can join the conversation.

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