1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,639 Speaker 1: We know that the Northern Territory Police have now rested 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: a fourteen year old and a seventeen year old male 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: following that violent incident in Alice Springs on Monday afternoon. 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,319 Speaker 1: Just after midday, police received several reports of a man 5 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: armed with a machete in the food court at Ibrinya 6 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 1: shopping center. Now, the incident's made headlines around the nation 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: with that shocking vision being shared. It is believed that 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: it followed an earlier disturbance, and detectives from Strikeforce Viper 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: arrested that pair yesterday. Now, the Northern Territory Police Commissioner 10 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: Martin Dole joins me in the studio. Good morning, Commissioner, 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: Good morning Katie, thanks so much for your time this morning. Now, Commissioner, 12 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: this incident, it's straw national attention. It's pretty shocking to 13 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: think that someone would be well, the witness described sort 14 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: of hacking at another with a machete while people are 15 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: buying lunch in the food court. What was your reaction 16 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: when you'd learned what it unfolded? 17 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, thanks Katie. Look what I said following Monday's incident. 18 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: But it can't be conveyed too often. What we saw 19 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: on that video is appalling. A violent, deliberate attack carried 20 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 2: out in a public space in front of families and 21 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: children going about their day. This type of behavior is 22 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: completely unacceptable. 23 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: It's totally unacceptable, and it's bloody frightening, you know, to 24 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: think that there's people inside that shopping center grabbing their lunch, 25 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: going about their day to day business, and people to 26 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: run in And I mean, when you look at that vision, 27 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: it's not a kitchen knife like it looks like a 28 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: massive machete. 29 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, it's completely unacceptable. And what I just want 30 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 2: to tell the public is that the men and women 31 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 2: of the Norn Territory Police Force are committed to identifying 32 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: and arresting offenders that commit offenses like this. And just 33 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 2: let me be clear, those who think that they can 34 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: behave like this in our towns will be held to account. 35 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: Tell me, it's been reported that two off duty police 36 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: officers intervened. Can you talk me through what those officers 37 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: really had to do to intervene? 38 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, look probably without going into too much of 39 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: the detail, both of those members were off duty, not 40 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: in police uniform. One was conducting business at a legacy 41 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 2: store selling poppies for Remembrance Day. The other one was 42 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: getting some lunch, I believe in the shopping center. So 43 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 2: what I can say is, I'm extremely proud of the 44 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 2: way that our two members conducted themselves, showing courage under pressure, 45 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 2: running towards danger when many would have run away, and 46 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: in fact people were running away, and some of that 47 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: footage that I saw maintaining the safety of bystanders and 48 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: assisting in the initial containment and investigation. So incredibly proud 49 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: of their actions, and incredibly thankful that the Chief Minister 50 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 2: has also written to me and acknowledged the actions as 51 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 2: the Police Minister, and as the Chief Minister acknowledged the 52 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 2: actions of those members as well. 53 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: So it's like, it's phenomenally brave stuff what those two 54 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: women have done in terms of, you know, stepping up. 55 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 2: Fact people were running away, and some of that footage 56 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: that I saw maintaining the safety of bystanders and assisting 57 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 2: in the initial containment and investigations. So incredibly proud of 58 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 2: their actions, and incredibly thankful that the Chief Minister has 59 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 2: also written to me and acknowledged the actions as the 60 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 2: Police Minister and as the Chief Minister acknowledged the actions 61 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 2: of those members as well. 62 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: So it's like it's phenomenally brave stuff what those two 63 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: women have done in terms of, you know, stepping. 64 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 2: Up the actions of those members as well. 65 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: So it's like it's phenomenally brave stuff what those two 66 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: women have done in terms of, you know, stepping up 67 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: at a time when, as you've rightly pointed out, others 68 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: were running away from danger and fair enough, you know, 69 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: I could never, never, you know, sort of judge anybody 70 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: who runs away when somebody's wielding a machete. But the 71 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: fact that they've gone there, they have done their best 72 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: to make sure that the rest of the community is 73 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: safe in what's an incredibly frightening situation is really commendable. 74 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: It's temporary behavior, Katie, and I'm extremely proud of both 75 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 2: of those officers, and that the caliber of the men 76 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: and women that we've got across this Northern Territory Police 77 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: Force that do selfless acts every single day. 78 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: You touched on this. The Chief Minister has written to 79 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: you now asking for that pair to be recognized for 80 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: their bravery. What's the process there? 81 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: So recognition for services is a matter to be considered 82 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: by the Commissioner. Obviously, we look at every incident of 83 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 2: meritorious behavior and there's a process and a committee, so 84 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 2: we're already looking at the actions of those offices. But 85 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: it's just great that the police ministers come out and 86 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 2: support and written to me supporting the action of those 87 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: members and will consider their actions for future reward in 88 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: relation to their conduct. 89 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: Commissioner, do you know exactly how your members then ended 90 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: up locating this duo that had been involved with the machete. 91 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was fantastic work done by our Viper team 92 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: in Ola Springs. So Vipers your equivalent of Trident here 93 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 2: and Darwen, and you're really familiar with the work of 94 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 2: Triden and the great work that do. So they've been 95 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 2: kicking goals down in Alla Springs. They've been targeting property crime, 96 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: locking up offenders, putting people behind bars and making sure 97 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: they stay there. And they did some incredible work yesterday, 98 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 2: but probably also acknowledged that a lot of it was 99 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: done with engagement with the family of one of these 100 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 2: young offenders, and they had the mother of the young 101 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: offender with them assisting him in locating him and putting 102 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: him back behind bars where he belongs. 103 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: Good honor, good on that mum, you know for doing 104 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: that and taking that responsibility. I know it wouldn't be 105 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: easy as a parent, but I think it's the right 106 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: thing to do. We know that the crime stats had 107 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: been starting to show a decrease in crime across the 108 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: Northern Territory. Last time you and I caught up, we've 109 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: spoken about this. I mean, is this incident, though, indicative 110 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: that there is still a long way to go? 111 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: Look, absolutely, Katie and I haven't showed away from the 112 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 2: fact we have had improvements, but there's a lot of 113 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 2: work still to do. We can't take our foot off 114 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: the pedal and there is a long way to go. 115 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, But can I just reassure the public 116 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 2: this wasn't a random attack on random members of the public. 117 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: This was at a targeted attack by by people on 118 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 2: somebody that they knew that they had agrievance with whilst 119 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 2: it happened in public. It's shocking and it shouldn't be 120 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 2: tolerate and that behavior won't be accepted. We made sure 121 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: that we put the people that perpetrated this attack behind bars. 122 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 2: They're appearing in court today and my strong indication is 123 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 2: that we'll be doing everything we can to keep them inside, 124 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: and I just want to tell the public that we're 125 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 2: committed to continuing to do that and trying to keep 126 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: people safe across the Northern Territory. 127 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: Now we know that last week you release the Northern 128 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: Territory Police were your first ever anti racism strategy for staff. 129 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: The strategy is made up of four key priority areas 130 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: to serve and protect, eliminate racism, represent and reflect our territory, 131 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: and to be accountable. What kind of impact do you 132 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: think this strategy is going to have, Katie. 133 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 2: It's going to transform and change the way that we 134 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 2: view racism in the Northern Territory Police Force. So a 135 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 2: key component of those four pillars is the delivery of 136 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 2: any training to the members of the non Territory Police Force. 137 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 2: And this strategies it goes further than saying don't be racist. 138 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 2: It's actually about being anti racist. And that's a proactive 139 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 2: step and that takes on our responsibilities to proactively identify 140 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 2: and eliminate racism. So what it does is that it 141 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 2: equips and assists our members to better serve the community. 142 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,239 Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes these things are easier said than done. 143 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: What kind of measurable outcomes and what specific benchmarks have 144 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,119 Speaker 1: sort of been set to track the progress over coming years. 145 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: Do you have some. 146 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, we do, Katie. So obviously there's a lot of 147 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: dot points under the action plans. Some of them appear 148 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 2: quite simplistic, but it's taken a long time to land 149 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: this strategy because it had to be achievable, and it 150 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: had to be meaningful, and it had to be consulted 151 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: internally and externally to make sure that the things that 152 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 2: we were committing to can be delivered. So we will 153 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: track representation of Aboriginal people within our agency because one 154 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 2: of the key deliverables is increase Aboriginal representation in our agency. 155 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: Will track complaints, retention rates, community feedback, and we'll publish 156 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 2: anual progress reports against our action plans. So this is 157 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 2: not just about putting out a document and saying how 158 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 2: good a weed, this is what we've done. We're going 159 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: to be asking people to hold us to account and 160 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 2: we're going to be publishing our data against this plan. 161 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: I know that you know the aim is to achieve 162 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: thirty percent to Aboriginal employment across the agency by twenty 163 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: twenty seven. How do you get there? 164 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 2: Well, Katie, thirty percent of the population of the Northern 165 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: Territory is Aboriginal police forces should represent the people that 166 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 2: they serve, and our aim is to have thirty percent 167 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: representation across all streams. So I'll just be clear that's 168 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: not just in the swarm constable ranks. That's in every 169 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: employee in our organization that contributes to delivering the service 170 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 2: that we deliver. 171 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: I actually think that's a really important part of the strategy. 172 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: I think, you know, you can't be what you can't see, 173 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: and I also think that out in some of those 174 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: remote communities and different areas across the Northern Territory, if 175 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 1: we've got police officers out there that are Indigenous, you've 176 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: got young people then that look at those police officers 177 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: and go, hey, maybe I can do that when I 178 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: grow up. Katie. 179 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 2: We've got some incredibly proud Aboriginal members already across the 180 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 2: police force and strong traditions in communities of families that 181 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 2: have served the police force for generations. I want to 182 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: see that increase. I want to see that pride in 183 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 2: people on communities talking about their grandfather or their father 184 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 2: that served and having the same desire to serve the 185 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 2: community that they live. And you know, they live in. 186 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: I mean, since the announcement follows the findings of were 187 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: what was described by the coroner of systemic and structural 188 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: racism within the Northern Territory Police Force. How are you, 189 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: as the commissioner going to ensure that this isn't just 190 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: a one off exercise but a genuine shift in culture. Yeah. 191 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 2: I think that's why it's taken us so long to 192 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: land this strategy, Katie. We didn't just come out and 193 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 2: put some words on paper and come up with a 194 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: glossy Prosure. This strategy has been built with consultation with 195 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 2: aboriginal organizations, It's been built with internal consultation. It's considered 196 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 2: the Anti Police Association's concerns as well. So this is 197 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: something that we widely consulted on because it had to 198 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 2: be meaningful and it had to be deliverable. And this 199 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 2: is our roadmap to change this organization from the grassroots. 200 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 2: And that's why one of the key pillars of this 201 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: strategy is any racism training delivered to all members of 202 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 2: the police force so that they can properly recognize what 203 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: it is, recognize our systems and processes that contribute towards that, 204 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 2: not just interpersonal behaviors. But everything about our organization, they 205 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 2: can actually see racism in its forms, recognize what it 206 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 2: is and call it out. All right. 207 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: One of the other things that we've been talking about 208 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: over the last week or so, as an Northern Territory 209 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: Liquor Commission, they're facing criticism overas to their review into 210 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: alcohol issues in Palmerston. Now, the commission was approached back 211 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: in May after a series of violent incidents in the 212 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: suburb of Gray. Residents have raised ongoing concerns about drunken 213 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: disorderly behavior around Victoria Drive and Essington Avenue. Commissioner, is 214 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: this an area of concern for police as in that 215 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: specific suburb and some of the drunken disorderly behavior that's 216 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: been experienced, Yeah, Katie. 217 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 2: Look, the Northern Territory police have focused on community safety 218 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 2: in Palmerston, but right across the territory, and I think 219 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 2: it was probably born out in the last lot of 220 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: crime stats that we saw that Palmerston was a bit 221 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 2: of an outlier and it didn't have as many reductions 222 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 2: as we'd seen across the Northern Territory. So yes, there 223 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 2: is concerns for us with some of those behaviors in Palmerston. 224 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 2: But we're also changing the way that we deliver services, 225 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 2: and I know you talked to Commander Shaun Gill about 226 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: his any social behavior teams that he's introduced recently, so 227 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 2: we're taking measures to address those steps as well. Alcohol 228 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 2: related violence and unrestricted access to alcohol is a big 229 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 2: driver of any social behavior and crime. 230 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: So I'm assuming the reality is that the police sort 231 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: of support I'm guessing any changes that may be implemented 232 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: or looked at by the Liquor Commission to try and 233 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 1: stop some of that behavior that we're seeing. 234 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, So broadly speaking, we welcome any outcome or 235 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: decision to assist in proving public safety and reducing alcohol 236 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 2: related harm. And alcohol related harm is one of our 237 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: biggest drivers of any social behavior that we see, and 238 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 2: particularly unregulated access to alcohol. So not talking about people 239 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 2: drinking in clubs where there's responsible service of alcohol, it's 240 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 2: the takeaway unrestricted access to alcohol that we see as 241 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 2: the driver of serious harm. 242 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: Are you still seeing a lot of and I don't 243 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: just meet in Palmeston, but across the border, you're still 244 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 1: seeing a lot of that secondary supply and people really 245 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: doing dodgy things to still get their hands on alcohol. 246 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 2: When we talk about secondary supply, probably not in the 247 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 2: sense of secondary supply as the offense of people supplying 248 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 2: without a license. But what we're seeing is people that 249 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 2: are on the band Drinkers Register that aren't able to 250 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 2: access alcohol because they're on the band drinker register, congregating 251 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 2: with people that aren't and obviously getting access to alcohol, 252 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 2: which causes then goes on to cause untold harm. Yeah. 253 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: Hey, just wondering if there's any update on the PPSOS. 254 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: We spoke about that last time you're on the show, 255 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: and I know that that is another stream of officer 256 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: that he is set to get underway. 257 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 2: How's that all tracking, Yeah, Katie, we were really hoping 258 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 2: to get a course in before Christmas, and look that's 259 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 2: still not off the cards yet, but we're still we're 260 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 2: currently in the final stages of negotiation with the Police 261 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 2: Association about terms and conditions for the PPSOS, and then 262 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 2: until we land that properly, we can't actually go out 263 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 2: and start the full recruitment process. We're excited that we're 264 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 2: going to get applications for it. We've got over sixty 265 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 2: expressions of interest already. The courses are going to be 266 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 2: twenty four per course, and we're hoping to deliver four 267 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 2: courses a year and we've got over sixty people that 268 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 2: haven't expressed an interest already. 269 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: It's good. That seems like that's good. You know, a 270 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: good number of people wanting to get into one of 271 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: those PPSO roles. 272 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 2: It's great interest, Katie. It's very exciting and it's one 273 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 2: of the most transformative things that we will have delivered 274 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: as a police force in the last few decades. 275 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: So it sounds like you like you genuinely believe that 276 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: they'll make a big difference to some of the issues 277 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: that we see. I guess you know, with that anti 278 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: social behavior. 279 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: A massive difference, Katie. We've talked for years now about 280 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 2: our police being stretched going from job to job, not 281 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 2: being able to do the proactive policing that we see. 282 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 2: And I'll be serious, like the uniform makes people feel 283 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 2: safe when we're highly visible and in public places, and 284 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 2: we haven't been able to do that for some time now. 285 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 2: So our ppsos are about bringing that sense of safety 286 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: to people, being highly visible, being in the public space 287 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 2: and addressing any social behavior before it turns into criminal offending. 288 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, Commissioner, before I let you go. We are indeed 289 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: heading into Christmas. I'm not sure whether we'll catch up 290 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: again before Christmas, but we've seen some really bad incidents 291 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: on our roads the last couple of weeks. You know, 292 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: I've caught up I reckon you with the traffic police 293 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: and major crash investigation on a few occasions in fact, 294 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: over the last couple of weeks, because we've seen a 295 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: horrible number of fatalities. What is the message for people 296 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: listening this morning as we head into that Christmas break 297 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: when it comes to being safe on our roads and 298 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: sort of looking out for each other. 299 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, Katie. Look, it's been a horrific two to 300 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 2: three weeks on the territory roads. We've had six lives 301 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 2: lost within the last fortnight on territory roads, and we 302 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 2: were looking at pretty good numbers compared to this time 303 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: last year. So it's been a tragedy for the last 304 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 2: three weeks with those fatal accidents. And I'll always take 305 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 2: the opportunity to remind people about the fatal five, speeding, 306 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 2: driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs, not wearing 307 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 2: a seat belt, drive a fatigue and drive distraction. So 308 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 2: remember the fatal five. But We'll see more people on 309 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 2: the roads over Christmas periods, more social gatherings and generally busier. 310 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 2: So remember the fatal five. Drive to the conditions, remember 311 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 2: wet roads, and just be responsible and take care on 312 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: our roads coming into the festive season. 313 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: Well, Northern Territory Police Commissioner Martin Dole, thanks so much 314 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: for your time this morning. Appreciate you joining us in 315 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: the studio. 316 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 2: Thanks Katie, thank you.