1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:00,040 Speaker 1: No. 2 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 2: Now, Parliament resumes in the Northern Territory today and the 3 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 2: issue of voluntary assisted dying is expected to be high 4 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 2: on the agenda. The Opposition leader releasing a draft Voluntary 5 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 2: Assisted Dying Rights of the Terminally Ill Bill Now, she says, 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 2: it's a ready to go frame work there delivers the compassion, 7 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 2: dignity and choice that Territorians have been calling for. The 8 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 2: Opposition leader, Selena Yubo joins me on the line. Good 9 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: morning to you, Selena. 10 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: Good morning Katie, and good morning to the listeners. 11 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: Now, you announced in May that you would begin work 12 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: on this bill. Why did you go down this path 13 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: when we know the Legal and Constitutional Affairs Committee are 14 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: doing their work, which I believe is going to be 15 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 2: tabled today as well. 16 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, Katie. Back in May, I committed to Territorians that 17 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: I would do the work to draft some legislation that 18 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: would see a Voluntary assisted Dying Bill come to the 19 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: Parliament through the Private member's process. Now it was a 20 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: bit difficult. We had to drafter, had to look at 21 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: all the different legislation across Australia to see what could 22 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: fit here for the Northern Territory and how could we 23 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: do this work to provide that option to the Parliament 24 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: to vote on and the work was done concurrently. Obviously, 25 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: the COPA government did a referral to the Legal and 26 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: Constitutional Affairs Committee we call it the LCAC to do 27 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: a round of consultation across the territory to see if 28 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: this is an issue that was important enough for them 29 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: to pick up. But obviously it is an important issue. 30 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: It's a very sensitive and a sensitive matter when we're 31 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: talking about people dying with dignity here in the territory. 32 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: We are the only jurisdiction in the country, as you know, Katie, 33 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: that doesn't have the ability for our residents to be 34 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: able to access volunteer sist dying. So said I would 35 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: do the work back in May. It's taken several months 36 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: to do that. Very proud to say that work has 37 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: been completed a lot quicker than I expected to be honest, 38 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: I was expecting many many more months, Matie. But the 39 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: draft we had was a very experienced an expert drafter, 40 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: so the work was able to be done within the 41 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: last few months. Parallel, the LCAC Advisory sorry, the LCAC 42 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: Committee of the Parliament was doing their process which they 43 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: had been tasked by the Attorney General to do. They 44 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: announced their report a couple of weeks ago. That's officially 45 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: being tabled in the Parliament today. I received my draft 46 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: from the Expert drafter last week. I've had a week 47 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: to go through that. It's comfortable what's in it. I've 48 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: looked at the LCAC work. I've looked at the previous 49 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: Independent Expert Advisory Panel report which Labor commissioned when we 50 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: were in government. I'm very comfortable that the work that 51 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: has been done for a draft bill to come to 52 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: the to be here in the territory, to come to 53 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: the Territory Parliament is what I said I would do. 54 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: I've now obviously the government since come out since in 55 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: that process said that this is work they were going 56 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: to do. Well, what's saved them five months of work, Katie. 57 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: I'm really keen to see this work come to a 58 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: head and formally enter the Parliament. So the government said 59 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: they do the work. I would like to show Territorians 60 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: that we want to be constructive, like I said I 61 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: would at the beginning of my leadership, that we want 62 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 1: to be bipartisan and this very important and very sensitive 63 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: matter for Territorians. So to share that work with the 64 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: government and see if we can get that bill to 65 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: the Parliament for the Parliament to vote on. 66 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 2: So taking that into account, I mean, given the fact 67 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: that the LCAC, the Legal and Constitutional Affairs Committee, they've 68 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 2: done their work, you've done your work, Like, is there 69 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 2: a way here that both sides of politics can work 70 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 2: constructively together so that you know, this piece of legislation 71 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 2: is being debated, it's you know, it's sort of there, 72 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 2: it's ready to go sooner rather than later? Or what 73 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: are we going? I mean, I know, obviously, you know 74 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: you're a labor leader. We know the sea people have 75 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: their view and I totally respect that. But I guess 76 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 2: what I'm getting to is there a way that you 77 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: know that we can can see this on the table 78 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 2: sooner rather than later, taking into account both bodies of work. 79 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: Yes, there is, and I do want to see this 80 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: in a very constructive way, Katie, which is why yesterday 81 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: I wrote to Lis and Acquier as the Chief Murray 82 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: Claire Boothby as the Attorney General, to say, please use 83 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: the basis of the work that the government said that 84 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: they were going to take on, which is drafting a 85 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: voluntary assisted dying bill for the Northern Territory, please use 86 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: my bill as the basis, and then what can happen 87 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: essentially is they can commission that work to then go 88 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: to all the departments, to stakeholders, to the community for 89 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: import around that bill. If we've missed anything, if people 90 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: think things should be taken out, all of that work 91 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: can happen in the next month or so. A bill 92 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: could be introduced before the end of the year and 93 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: debated and passed by early next year. So I know 94 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: the Attorney General had spoken about a sort of a 95 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: bit of a wishy washy time frame for next year 96 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: starting the work. I don't think people want that work 97 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: to be delayed any further. People have been asking about 98 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: this the year. We didn't get to it when Labor 99 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: was in government. We have been doing the work now 100 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: in opposition. We really want to see this bill come 101 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: to the Northern Territory Parliament. 102 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 2: Selena, obviously you and I have spoken about this before. 103 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 2: It's been a topic of discussion on numerous occasions. On 104 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: the week that was, I know that you have outlined 105 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 2: strong safeguards, dedicated VAD health service and mandatory cultural safety measures. 106 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: Can you just explain for us how that bill ensures 107 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 2: culturally safe and equitable access well for all Territorians, but 108 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: particularly those living in remote communities. 109 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Katie, this is such an important issue and we 110 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: want to make sure that when we talk about the 111 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: choice for any Territorian not you know, some people may 112 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: look to take this up in the future. Some people 113 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: don't want to borrow it, and that is fine, but 114 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: at the moment, no one gets a choice. So being 115 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: able to have that choice here in the territory also 116 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: needs to recognize what is what is celebrated about the territory. 117 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: We have such a great multicultural community. We have a 118 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: high population of Aboriginal territories. One third of Territorians are Aboriginal, Katie, 119 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: so we want to make sure that that is reflected 120 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: in this bill, which is what we've done. It has 121 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: come out of that independent report that was tabled in 122 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: the Parliament last year. It's also come out very clearly 123 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: in the LCAC report which will be officially tabled today 124 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: and I'm sure we'll be discussed at length today. So 125 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: it's recognizing the uniqueness, the contexts, the diversity the population 126 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: of the Northern Territory and the importance of linking and 127 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: recognizing what we love about the territory, to our health systems, 128 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: to those right to die with dignity at end life. 129 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: Selena, I know we don't have a huge amount of time, 130 00:06:58,760 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 2: but I've got a couple of things I want to 131 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 2: get before I go there, though. I mean, this is 132 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: it's probably going to be a conscience vote. I mean, 133 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 2: you've got a lot of remote areas within your electorate, 134 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 2: a lot of remote residents, I should say, I mean, 135 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 2: how are you going to vote? Have you made that 136 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 2: decision yet? 137 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, Katie. I have been on this journey for the 138 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,679 Speaker 1: last four to five years. Formerly, when we're in government, 139 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: I advocated as the former Attorney General of the Northern Territory, 140 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: working with the act Attorney General to support the restoration 141 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: of Territory Rights, which is the bill that passed through 142 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: the Parliament in Canberra in Federal Parliament so that the 143 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: Act and Northern Territory could legislate on voluntary assisted dying, 144 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: which will then passed in twenty twenty two. The work 145 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: obviously then was done around the Independent Report. Formerly, when 146 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: we're in labor and now in opposition, I maintain my position, 147 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: which is I will support territorians having the right again 148 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: after what thirty years to be able to make that 149 00:07:58,640 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: choice for themselves. 150 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 2: Well, Selena, look today I think will be an interesting 151 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: day when it comes to your bill, also seeing exactly 152 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 2: what the Northern Territory government's going to do. But I 153 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 2: want to move along. We know this white car issue story, 154 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 2: it's not going away. Last week we obviously questioned you 155 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: on this topic. Now yesterday we spoke to the Chief 156 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 2: Minister about this. Take a bit of a listen to 157 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: what she had to say. Have you ever misused the 158 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 2: white car No, Katie, it's all in accordance with the rules, 159 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 2: so as the rest of the team. And look, it's 160 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 2: unfortunate it's happened, and you know what, everyone's pulled their 161 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 2: sucks up and we just we plow on just to 162 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 2: sort of, you know, to finalize this. You're not prepared 163 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 2: to make those rules public. 164 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: No, o, Katie. 165 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 2: They're an internal based document like many others. But you 166 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 2: are one hundred percent confidence that you and nobody else 167 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 2: on your team of miss uzze I am Selena. Do 168 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: you buy that? 169 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: No, not at all. It's a policy document. It should 170 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: be shared. It sits within the Department of Chief Minister 171 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: in cabinets. It outlines the rules. I just don't see 172 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: why Lear is not releasing it would clearly show the guidelines. 173 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: It would be able to provide that certainty to territories 174 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: that there is a policy, what the rules are. Anyone 175 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 1: who is not following those rules, you know, should take accountability. Obviously, 176 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: I've come out and said reviewed my stuff through that 177 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: FOI process with ABC and got oh. Actually there was 178 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: some trips that definitely didn't pass the pub test in 179 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: the personal sense of using a vehicle after work or 180 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: before work, etc. I've paid that back, I think, as 181 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: you know Katie, a couple of weeks ago, since this 182 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: has come to light, unfortunately we're not seeing the same 183 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: transparency and accountability and humility from the government. Why wouldn't 184 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: you just show it's a policy, Katie. It's not a 185 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: secret document, it's not a cabinet document. Why would you 186 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: just show the policy. 187 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: Are you confident that you're the only person in your 188 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: party who's missus the cars as well? 189 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: Katie? What I've done is spoken about my role as 190 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: a leader. Take it accountability, apologize for making those mistakes, 191 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: made amends for those mistakes, and that's been my focus 192 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: through this process. 193 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: And if you checked off with your other members that 194 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 2: they that they're on the same path as you, that 195 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 2: they haven't misused and if they have that they will 196 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: come clean or pay it back. 197 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, Katie, my opposition colleagues, they don't access the white car. 198 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: As I said, there's only eleven positions and eleven roles 199 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: that allow access to that service, and mine is the 200 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 1: only one out of my team as the leader of 201 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: the opposition, so none of my shadow ministers are able 202 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: to access that. 203 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: So I guess I guess what I'm trying to ask, 204 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: and probably didn't ask it as direct but when you 205 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: guys were in power as well, because I suppose this 206 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 2: is you know what I'm seeing at the moment. And 207 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 2: again we spoke about this on Fridays. We're all everyone's 208 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 2: sort of slinging a bit of mud, which I get it. 209 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 2: But what I think Territorians want to be clear on 210 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: is that you know, the rules aren't being flouted, that 211 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 2: people are going to do the right thing no matter 212 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: who do we is in power. 213 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, Katie, And I mean that's why I 214 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: wanted to draw the line in the sand, to show 215 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: Territorians that, as I've said, I'm not perfect, but my 216 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: leadership is about the role that I have. I need 217 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: to be able, to be trusted, to be able to 218 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: keep the government to account. That is the role of 219 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: the leader opposition, and so I will work to restore 220 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: any trust that has been lost with the public. I 221 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: want to continue my job and show territorians that I'm 222 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: here to work hard for them. I have definitely learned 223 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 1: from the past those mistakes, made amends for them and 224 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: that is what I expect from my team as well. 225 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: That is the leader that I want to be for 226 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 1: my team and to show Territorians that I will continue 227 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: to be for the next three years. 228 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 2: Selena very quick One, the Chief Minister, was on the 229 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 2: show yesterday and was questioned following on from a number 230 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 2: of really terrible incidents into state of transgender women being 231 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 2: housed in female prisons. What is you take on this. 232 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: She has declared a ban on transgender women being housed 233 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 2: in the territory's female prisons. Do you agree, Well, I. 234 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: Think that there's again there's some policies that would sit 235 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: internally with corrections. Whether the Chief Minister's headline, you know, 236 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: comments reflect that or not, that's up to the government 237 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: to explain and to speak to. But quite frankly, I 238 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: think that you know, these are divisive comments and I 239 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: feel like the Chief Ministers trying to really deflect and 240 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: distract from important stories that are being covered in the media, 241 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: particularly about her and her team. I've seen today the 242 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: Treasurer come out on ABC Alice Springs Radio to say 243 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 1: that the art gallery is being scrapped. I mean, I'm 244 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: extremely disappointing, but absolutely expected from the COLP. So I 245 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: think there is just a mismatch at the moment of 246 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: what the government should be doing and that's leading the territory. 247 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: And I think the comments that the Chief Minister has 248 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: made is creating division, not unity, and it's promoting disdain 249 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: not in the Northern Territory, and I think the territory 250 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: should be better than that. 251 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 2: Look, we will no doubt talk more about this. I'm 252 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: sure we're gonna have to leave it there. We've got 253 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 2: the Speaker Jude to catch up with us in about 254 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 2: a minute. So Selena Yubo, the Opposition leader, thanks so 255 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 2: much for your time today. 256 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Katie, thank you