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Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda

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Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the

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Speaker 2: Mister, what nice to see you. Thanks, thanks for taking

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Speaker 3: That's okay. I've heard a lot about you guys, but

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Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever done anything with you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: the twenty sixth of September. I'm Sam, I'm Billy.

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Speaker 4: I'm the editor of.

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Speaker 2: The Daily OS and according to experts, Australia could be

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Speaker 2: about to face one of the most challenging bush fire

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Speaker 2: seasons in modern history. With record high temperatures already seen

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Speaker 2: this month, landscapes are ready to burn after a number

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Speaker 2: of rain heavy years an extreme dry heat on the radar,

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Speaker 2: Emergency authorities are rushing to prepare for the worst. Yesterday,

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Speaker 2: Australia's first National Disaster Preparedness summit got underway. It continues

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Speaker 2: today with a full scale emergency simulation. Joining me on

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Speaker 2: the podcast today is Australia's Minister for Emergency Management, Murray What.

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Speaker 2: He's the person in Anthony Alberanese's government who's in charge

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Speaker 2: of making sure Australia is preparing for natural disasters. So

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Speaker 2: are we ready for the bush fire season? I'm going

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Speaker 2: to put that to him in today's interview, But first,

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Speaker 2: Billy what is making headlines this morning?

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Speaker 4: New employment measures have been announced to encourage older Australians

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Speaker 4: has announced incentives for age pension recipients and eligible veterans

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Speaker 4: being impacted under a new bonus scheme. Minister for Social

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Speaker 4: Services Amanda Rishworth said the changes would help to remove

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Speaker 4: barriers often faced by those looking to re enter the workforce.

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Speaker 2: Australia's tourism economy is expected to be boosted by a

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Speaker 2: decision to allow Chinese tourism groups to return to Australia.

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Speaker 2: Visa processing applications for Chinese tour operators recommenced on Monday

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Speaker 2: dollars to the Australian tourism industry in twenty nineteen. That

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Speaker 4: And big news for the TV and film industry, the

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Speaker 4: Writer's Guild of America has agreed to a tentative deal

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Speaker 4: strike action began. The details of the proposed agreement have

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Speaker 2: And today's good news, Tigersta Cipher has broken the women's

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Speaker 2: marathon world record. A Cipher finished the Berlin Marathon in

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Speaker 2: just under two hours and twelve mo minutes. It's more

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Speaker 4: Almost as fast as you can do hesa.

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Speaker 2: Really as fast, mister what Welcome to the podcast. Give

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Speaker 2: me a sense of where you've come from, where you're

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Speaker 2: driving to.

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Speaker 5: Today's a bit of a crazy day. Actually, I'm going

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Speaker 5: to be going through four different cities today. I started

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Speaker 5: of the Preparedness Summit, and I'm currently on my way

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Speaker 2: That's a lot of carbon emissions.

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Speaker 3: It is. It's not ideal, and it's why we try

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Speaker 2: And how was the Preparedness Summit announcement with there any

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Look, I think it's been a really good exercise.

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Speaker 5: The point of the National Disaster Preparedness Summit, and this

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Speaker 5: I mean, we already know that we're going to be

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Speaker 3: And while all the.

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Speaker 5: Fire authorities have been working hard for months to be ready,

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Speaker 5: I do. I feel confident that we're as well prepared

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Speaker 5: black summer. You know, you can never completely eliminate risk

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Speaker 5: But the least we can do is make sure that

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Speaker 2: There's been major natural disasters, bit floods, fires in Australia.

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Speaker 2: There's always this discussion that happens, and we often write

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Speaker 5: Look, I think it's clear that primarily states and territories

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Speaker 5: is no doubting that the federal government have an important

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Speaker 3: So yeah, look, I think that we'll always see disaster.

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Speaker 5: Management primarily a state responsibility, but the federal government does

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Speaker 5: obviously provide the defense forces in critical times as well,

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Speaker 5: but bottom line is we want to work cooperatively with

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Speaker 2: I'm going to discuss the role of the army in

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Speaker 5: I mean the reality is that our defense forces, their

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Speaker 3: Helping deal with some of the bush buyers up there.

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Speaker 5: But what we do need to do is get to

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Speaker 3: You. So, I've seen the Defense Forces in action in

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Speaker 5: They do an incredible job and there are times when

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Speaker 2: So let's have a think about those alternatives. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we've got declining numbers of volunteer firefighters, and one of

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Speaker 2: the interesting ideas that's been tabled this week has been

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Speaker 5: Look, I probably don't support mandating those kind of things

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Speaker 3: I think people should be given those sorts of options.

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Speaker 2: Should we be paying for volunteer fire fighters?

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Speaker 5: Look, I think we've probably given the scale of the

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Speaker 5: And I think there's something about the Australian spirit about

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Speaker 2: and I ask you how the fire season was. What

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Speaker 5: It would be a season where everyone who had a

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Speaker 3: I mean, I can't guarantee.

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Speaker 5: That we won't lose properties, and god forbid, even lives

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Speaker 3: You know, they are always risks in disaster seasons.

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Speaker 5: But what I want to make sure of is that

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Speaker 5: we are as well prepared as we possibly can and

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Speaker 5: that we all cooperate.

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Speaker 3: When things get real.

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Speaker 5: And if we do that, I think we can really

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Speaker 5: is really what we need to be about at WATT.

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Speaker 4: Great to jalk Sam, thank you so much for listening

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