1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Now joining me on the line is the Independent Member 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: for Ara lun Robin Lamley. Good morning to you, Robin. 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 2: Good morning Katie. 4 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: Robin. What do you make of these changes announced by 5 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Chief Minister this morning? 6 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 2: Well, Katie, clearly we've got a government on the run. 7 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: They're on the hop. They have intentionally ignored the escalation 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: of crime across the Northern Territory for many years now 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: and it's got to the point where they can no 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: longer ignore it, and now they're on the hop trying 11 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 2: to think of creative ways of responding to a community 12 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 2: that is outraged and in mourning. The pressure on the 13 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 2: Chief Minister is enormous and so it should be, and 14 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 2: I actually think her position is almost to the point 15 00:00:55,160 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: of being untenable. After being dragged kicking and screaming into 16 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: making some decisions and acting in response to the crime 17 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 2: crisis in our springs in January by the Prime Minister 18 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 2: of Australia, now we see a similar thing happening here 19 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 2: in Darwin just a few months later. So, Robert, she 20 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,839 Speaker 2: has not been proactive, she has not had a plan. 21 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 2: Everything that she's doing is clearly not working. And now 22 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: she's scratching around trying to think of something else, so 23 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 2: pretty pathetic. 24 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: Robin, you feel that Chief Minister Natasha Files needs to 25 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: stand down from her job. 26 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. When she took over from Gunner, I 27 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: had some faith in her. A decent woman, a clear thinker, 28 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: good on a feat. I thought she would offer territory 29 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: in something more than Gunner. But I think what we've 30 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: seen is a woman that is very limited. She is 31 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: clearly focused on getting re elected rather than doing the 32 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 2: right thing by territorians. And I think her lack of 33 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 2: action and the fact that she has been dragged into 34 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 2: responding to what is now a territory wide crime crisis 35 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: screaming and kicking, means that for most of us we've 36 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 2: lost respect for her. And I actually think it is 37 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: time for her to go with her hopeless Attorney General, 38 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: who has instigated a lot of these very lefty, sort 39 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: of weak approaches to crime. He's been front and center 40 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 2: in promoting the flow of alcohol through the Aboriginal living 41 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: areas across the Northern Territory, which Albernezi came in and said, 42 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 2: wake up to yourselfs you've got to read state those restrictions. 43 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 2: You know both of them need to go. They're from 44 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: the left to the left and that isn't good for anyone. 45 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: That's bad politics for any society. You need moderate people 46 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 2: in control who are sensible. These two lack common sense. 47 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: Robin, based on these changes that have been announced this morning, 48 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: just to step away from that for one moment. Based 49 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: on these changes that have been announced this morning around 50 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: edged weapons and reviewing the bail laws, I mean yourself, 51 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: the Opposition leader, others have been calling for this and 52 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: asking for this to happen for quite some time. 53 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 2: Years yeah, years, and this is a major backslip for files. 54 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: She's laughed at the Opposition leader even yesterday. Instead of 55 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: looking remorseful and contrived and showing some respect for the 56 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: family of this poor young man who was brutally murdered 57 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: on Sunday night, they turned it into a comedy act. 58 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: Minister Chancey pag stood in Parliament in the first our 59 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: Government business parliamentary business, and had everyone on the government 60 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 2: side laughing hysterically. They thought it was hilarious, tearing strips 61 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: off the Opposition leader. But here we have the next day, 62 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 2: less than twenty four hours later, the Chief Minister forced 63 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: into agreeing with attempts made, multiple attempts made by the 64 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: opposition leader Lea for Andochiio to address the problem with 65 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 2: bail laws in the Northern territory. So you know, that's 66 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: another reason why Natasha Phile's position really has become untenable, 67 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 2: particularly over the last forty eight hours. He is a 68 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 2: backflip of monumental proportions. You will not see back quite 69 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: like this in usual in the usual run of mill 70 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: of politics. 71 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: Robin, A lot of us, you know, I'm listening to 72 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: you this morning, and certainly a lot of people who 73 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: listened to this show understand that the situation with crime 74 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: has been deteriorating for quite some time. But the level 75 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: that it is in in Alice Springs at the moment, 76 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: and what we've seen unfold here this week, I think 77 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: it's changed our way of life forever. 78 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 2: It has changed our lives forever. And I say our 79 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 2: now because I can include Darwin. I could see this coming, 80 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: and I think a lot of people from outside of 81 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 2: Darwin could see that the crime crisis we've been experiencing 82 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 2: for years was on its way to Darwin. It's been culminating, 83 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 2: and people listening will know that they've been seeing all 84 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,679 Speaker 2: the signs appearing for years. So you've joined a very 85 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 2: sad and sorry club. And that is the fact that 86 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 2: our way of life, the easy going, relaxed territory lifestyle, 87 00:05:54,320 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 2: has now been completely compromised by crime. And the the 88 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 2: government that has presided over this complete deterioration in law 89 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 2: and order is this current Northern Territory Labor government. You 90 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: can't pint on anyone else. You can't say, oh, it's 91 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 2: happening everywhere, it's a problem for all jurisdictions. They are 92 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 2: not experiencing crime quite like we are in the territory, 93 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 2: bar places like the Kimberley and maybe parts of North Queensland. 94 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: I go to New South Wales for my holidays, Northern 95 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 2: New South Wales, where I originally come from. Crime does 96 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 2: not exist in that part of the world like it 97 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: does here. To flip it off and try and minimize it, 98 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 2: like we heard minister after minister do in Parliament, or 99 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 2: try to do in parliament last night and yesterday, was 100 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 2: really quite offensive. They're still not taking ownership of it, 101 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 2: they're still not taking responsibility for it. To dilute it 102 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 2: and minimize it and flick it under the table and 103 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 2: I don't think territory ins are that's stupid. I don't 104 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 2: think they'll buy it. 105 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: No, Look, I don't know that they will either. I 106 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: know that some people are messaging through this morning that 107 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: they're sort of saying, look, at least there's some changes 108 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: that are coming into play. At least you know, the 109 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: government's look at doing a review into the bail and 110 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: certainly you know the capsicum spray for those transit safety officers, 111 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: crowd control of security guards. But you know, the fact 112 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: is that it's too little, too. 113 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 2: Late, it is, Katie. Look, one thing I'm thankful for 114 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: in the in Central Australia, and that is the fact 115 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: that we have police on bottle shop and they've been 116 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 2: in place since twenty eleven and they have been the 117 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: single most effective strategy that we've seen throughout the last 118 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: couple of decades in trying to address the problem of 119 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: our in our community. And after what's happened in Darwin 120 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 2: with the death of Declan, the murder of Declin, I 121 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: can see very clearly that those police in place throughout 122 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 2: all the opening hours of every bottle shop in my 123 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: town and in Tenant Creek and in Catherine it keeps 124 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 2: those workers safe. 125 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: It certainly does. And Robin, you know, I think the 126 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: thing that's really hit home for a lot of us 127 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: over the last couple of days is hearing from Declan's 128 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: mom and dad, And I just want to say, I like, 129 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 1: I I am. I cannot thank his dad enough for 130 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: being brave enough and being able to come on here 131 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: and speak to us about his beautiful son. And I 132 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: know that his mum has been out doing the same 133 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: and his dad was on the Today Show this morning, 134 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: and and you know, like, I'm really grateful for it 135 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: because I think that what, you know, what it has 136 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: done is it's just sort of it has united the 137 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: Northern Territory in the sense that we're all grieving for 138 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: this young fella, and you know, like we really do 139 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: want this place to be better, and we want it 140 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: to be better for him. 141 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 2: Yes. Absolutely. Look, I happen to get in the car 142 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 2: on Monday at around eleven thirty and I heard your 143 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 2: interview with Declan's father, and my god, that that was 144 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 2: an extremely emotional interview. You handled it incredibly well, and 145 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 2: I thought it was just amazing that that man was 146 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: able to even speak, let alone be so reasonable and 147 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 2: generous in his comments. You know, he's got a long 148 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 2: way to go in terms of realizing his loss and grief. 149 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 2: And you know, we're all thinking of that family and 150 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: that poor young man. It's just we're real comprehension and 151 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 2: beyond words. 152 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: Really it really is, it really is. Robin Lamley, I 153 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: always appreciate your time. Please let us know how things 154 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: go in parliament today. I really hope that we see 155 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: some bloody better behavior, Katie. 156 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 2: Can I just let people know the first item of 157 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 2: business that the Government's decided to put on the agenda 158 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 2: this morning when we go into Parliament in ten minutes time, 159 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 2: is a motion to create a select committee on vaping. 160 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 2: Not crime, not domestic violence, not child abuse and neglect, 161 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: not the lack of policing, not any of the major 162 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 2: issues that we care about in the territory. Today. They 163 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,719 Speaker 2: want to talk about vaping. And on that note, I 164 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 2: wish you all the good morning. 165 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you very much, Robin. We always appreciate your time. 166 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you again later in the week. 167 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.