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Speaker 1: As I said, just a few moments ago, on Monday afternoon,

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Speaker 1: Files and the Police Minister Kate Warden and the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory Government to prevent his dismissal. Now, according to a

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Speaker 1: report by the ABC, he filed the motion seeking a

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Speaker 1: declaration that the government had no power to revoke his

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Speaker 1: appointment as the Police Commissioner. The situation continues to be

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Speaker 1: quite an unbelievable one. The Commissioner was due back at

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Speaker 1: work today. Really no word as to whether he's gone

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Speaker 1: They have said that. Just bear with me a moment.

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Speaker 1: We'll go to that in a moment so I can

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Speaker 1: make sure I read it all out. But it is

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Speaker 1: taking this legal action to stay in his job. Now

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Speaker 1: joining me in the studio right now is the Opposition

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Speaker 1: leader Leah fanoki ara O. Good morning to you, Leah.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie's you're wonderful listeners on this beautiful dry

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Speaker 2: season morning.

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Speaker 1: Here finally the dry kick and hey now, Leah, this

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Speaker 1: situation is clearly not sustainable with the government and the

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Speaker 1: Police commissioner. What do you make of it all today?

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Speaker 3: It's a disaster.

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Speaker 2: I mean, at a time when we have a crime

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Speaker 2: We've got a police force in crisis with low morale,

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Speaker 2: instead of focusing on ensuring we're looking after community safety

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Speaker 2: and our police force. It couldn't come at a worse time.

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Speaker 2: This is a disaster of Natasha Files's making. She needs

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Speaker 2: to ensure that this is results as soon as possible,

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Speaker 2: because our police need strong leadership at the top and

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Speaker 1: Something that really struck me In the ABC's report from

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Speaker 1: ongoing calls for the Australian Federal Police to step in

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Speaker 1: Now on Monday, mister Chalker's lawyer, Arthur Moses SC told

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Supreme Court that the letter made four allegations.

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Speaker 1: So this letter obviously including that the Commissioner had asked

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Speaker 1: the Australian Defense Force to go into Alice Springs. That's

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Speaker 1: what the ABC had reported, he said, we now know

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Speaker 1: that was false. There's an assertion they might have meant

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Speaker 2: I think this is certainly caught the attention of the

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Speaker 2: force that is completely under resource has been going on

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Speaker 3: And months now.

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Speaker 2: If Commissioner Chalker felt that that was the right thing

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Speaker 3: Said no, you can't. That's in the public interest.

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Speaker 2: People want to know that because ultimately our police force

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Speaker 2: need to work independently from government and making those important

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Speaker 1: I think if that was the case, and look, we

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I have asked the Chief Minister's Office this morning for

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Speaker 1: if we do have a situation here where the Police

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Speaker 2: I think Kate Warden and Natasha Farza probably pretty worried

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Speaker 2: and I think this entire fiasco has been a very

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Speaker 1: You know it's I have asked the government for a

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Speaker 2: There are many questions this government has to answer on

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Speaker 2: this whole debacle, Katie, but that is definitely one of them.

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Speaker 2: I've certainly flagged it as a question for estimates coming

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Speaker 2: But ultimately our community is crying out for support, Katie.

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Speaker 2: We had a second community rally on the doorsteps of

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Speaker 2: We've had three stabbings which include the tragic loss of

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Speaker 3: And yet the.

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Speaker 2: are serious answers that the government need to be provided.

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Speaker 1: With those terrible situations over the weekend, with those three stabbings,

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Speaker 1: Do you think those changes would have made any difference

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Speaker 2: The bail changes of the government brought forward two weeks

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Speaker 2: It was disingenuous at best, and ultimately the criminals know

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Speaker 3: They did not go far enough.

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Speaker 2: We tried twice Katie in Parliament to reason with the government,

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Speaker 2: the rights of a community to be safe above the

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Speaker 2: rights of offenders to be free. But this government continues

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Speaker 1: Leah Marion Scrimjaw told Sky News yesterday that police failed

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Speaker 1: on March nineteen. Now, she's told Matt Cunningham that she

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Speaker 1: personally called the police commissioner to insist his officer's take action.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that you've read this article. Yes, do you

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Speaker 1: think that that indicates that we do not have enough place?

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Speaker 2: Without question, this is a prime example of a police

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Speaker 3: And that is no fault of our police.

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Speaker 2: They are as devastated as anybody else about the fact

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Speaker 2: also perpetuating this health and wellbeing situation with our force,

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Speaker 2: because you imagine that playing on your conscience and your mind. Katie,

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Speaker 2: You're at a job, you're trying to sort out that job,

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Speaker 3: This is not a joke.

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Speaker 2: This is an extremely serious situation and we need to

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Speaker 1: Leah, we also know that Marian Scrimdaw has called for

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Speaker 2: Well, look, we're happy to work with federal labor on

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Speaker 2: that the territory government can already do this. There is

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Speaker 2: so the real question is to the territory government, how

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Speaker 2: many times have they requested income management for Territorians. And

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Speaker 2: that's something we're looking very closely at, Katie, because it's

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Speaker 2: fine to put out there an idea about having an

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Speaker 3: We could be income managing people.

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Speaker 2: Who are you know, and holding them responsible, holding parents

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Speaker 2: My guess would be no, Leah a.

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Speaker 1: Question from al and I'm going to put it to you.

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Speaker 1: It's probably more so for the government. But it says Katie,

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Speaker 1: a nurse in Alice Springs, sells me that alcohol restrictions

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Speaker 1: Is this correct? And what is the files government solution

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Speaker 1: to this? Now, I'll put it to you. Do you

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Speaker 1: think that those alcohol restrictions need to be extended? Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I've obviously got two wonderful members of Parliament in

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Speaker 2: and why should we all be punished for the problems

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Speaker 2: of a few. Equally, I think everyone in that community

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Speaker 2: recognizes that it's made a massive impact. It's allowed a

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Speaker 2: we would not like to see those restrictions lifted unless

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Speaker 1: Another question, this time from Joe Joe saying, morning, Katie.

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Speaker 2: I heard that interview to your listener who texted in,

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Speaker 2: simply not the case. I spoke to someone last night

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Speaker 3: You know, these stories.

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Speaker 2: Are coming out where there's smoke, there's fire, Katie, and

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Speaker 2: for the Chief Minister to be pretending like there's not something,

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Speaker 2: a tender was released for I believe about one hundred

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Speaker 3: Out at how Howard Springs.

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Speaker 1: When was that?

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Speaker 2: I think it was last week, so you know we're starting.

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Speaker 1: Hundred grand mattresses.

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Speaker 3: Don't quote me.

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty confident it was about one hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: Jared Mayley, the member for Nelson, is right across this issue,

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Speaker 2: and we'll actually be doing media on it later this morning,

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Speaker 2: so you know, we also know that you know, there's

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Speaker 2: been reports on other stations, Katie, where people who have

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Speaker 1: So the COLP obviously following up now on this tender.

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Speaker 1: You believe that it could be up to one hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars worth of mattresses.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's correct, and I believe it went out last week.

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Speaker 2: So you know, why is that, Katie? I think there's

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Speaker 2: questions to answer there. Why do they need one hundred

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Speaker 1: So well, yeah, let us know whether you've got further

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Speaker 1: go this morning we know that the Lloyd Access Economics

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Speaker 1: they've estimated They've released their latest report yesterday and estimates

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Speaker 1: that the territory's economy is going to decrease by zero

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Speaker 1: three period. The decrease in economic activity is underpinned by

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Speaker 1: What do you make of the latest outlook from Deloit

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Speaker 1: Access Economics.

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Speaker 3: It's devastating, Katie.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we know this government pays no attention to

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Speaker 2: important economic reports like this, but this is our eighteenth

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Speaker 2: We are expected to have the weakest economic growth of

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Speaker 2: In fact, our economy is going back and we know

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Speaker 2: that it is because this government is not wanting to

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Speaker 2: We haven't seen a single major project transpire, Sea Dragon,

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Speaker 2: the ship lift, the luxury hotel, sun Cable, all of

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Speaker 3: And yet we've got a.

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Speaker 2: Government bringing in additional red tape, additional anti uncompetitive.

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Speaker 1: If they would argue that on Friday last week they

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Speaker 1: it's due that the COLP had been pushing for that

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Speaker 3: For years.

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Speaker 2: You know, this government came in in twenty seventeen and

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Speaker 2: destroyed our resource sector. They brought a hybrid mining tax in.

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Speaker 2: Our policy was to have ad valorum and that is

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Speaker 2: now years and years later what government have brought in.

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Speaker 2: We took that to the election. We have been fighting

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Speaker 2: and said that their regime was uncompetitive, it was destroying

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Speaker 3: And now all these years later.

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Speaker 2: Nicole Madison's coming out and saying we're facing a a

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Speaker 2: royalties cliff, a cliff created by this government, Katie. They

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Speaker 2: cannot put a footright on our economy. They need to

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Speaker 2: follow other CLP policies and create a territory Coordinator and

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Speaker 2: an approvals fast tracked task force so that we can

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Speaker 2: slash red tape and get this place growing lia.

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Speaker 1: Somebody has just messaged through and said, oh, don't quote

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Speaker 1: me on this. The opposition leader says, she's just spreading

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Speaker 2: Now, it was on the thank you text out no no,

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Speaker 2: thank you texter, and I do have the details. So

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Speaker 2: a tender was awarded for exactly ninety eight, five hundred

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Speaker 2: and twenty seven dollars for two hundred and sixty five

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Fact, So is that.

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Speaker 1: Do you think, you know, due to the flooding victims

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Speaker 3: Well, we don't know.

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Speaker 2: We don't know if it's because of damage to mattresses.

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Speaker 2: There's been you know, rumors and talk of fuyres and

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Speaker 3: Could it be that. We don't know.

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Speaker 2: But what we do know is that money is being

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Speaker 2: has its.

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Speaker 3: Head in the sand.

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Speaker 2: It's time to stop this line around there's minimal wear

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Speaker 2: and tear and start explaining to the taxpayer that people

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Speaker 1: Lin, do you think it's fair enough? Though, you know,

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Speaker 1: to play devil's advocate here, that money did need to

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Speaker 3: Oh, there's no question.

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Speaker 2: It's a fantastic facility to support people in their darkest

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Speaker 2: went out on the fifth of April, Katie for more mattresses,

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Speaker 2: and we've got a I don't know, is it a

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Speaker 2: five thousand bed facility out there? So it just requires questions.

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Speaker 2: I think it just continues this to undermine the government's position,

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Speaker 2: which is that there is nowhere and tear So we're

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Speaker 2: certainly asking the questions. I don't know why there needs

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Speaker 2: what I do know is I'm talking to a lot

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Speaker 2: saying that there are panels of glass being shipped out

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Speaker 1: That is unbelievable. Well, look I've got my hands on

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Speaker 1: this tender now. So Lea Finocchiaro, we really appreciate your

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Speaker 1: time this morning. Thanks so much for coming on the show.

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Speaker 3: Take care everyone,