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Speaker 1: Get a.

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Speaker 2: I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter and professional oversharer.

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Speaker 2: This podcast is all about celebrating failure because I believe

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Speaker 2: it's a chance for us to learn, grow and face

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Speaker 2: our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview a different guest

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Speaker 2: about their highs as well as their lows, all in

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Speaker 2: a bid to.

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Speaker 1: Inspire us to fearlessly fail.

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Speaker 2: Anthony lapali A Part two. Now, this was meant to

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Speaker 2: be a hot seat chat, you know how I do

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Speaker 2: those rapid fire questions and I bring it out on

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Speaker 2: a Wednesday. But these answers were so medy and so

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Speaker 2: in depth, and there's so many nuggets of gold in

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Speaker 2: here that it deserved to be its own standalone episode.

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Speaker 2: So this will feel a little bit shorter than a

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Speaker 2: regular feelsly failing at but it will feel much longer

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Speaker 2: than a hot seat So it's got its own fearlessly

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Speaker 2: failing Monday, because who doesn't want two episodes of Anthony

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Speaker 2: o'pali are an incredible Australian actor, theater, movies, TV, non stop,

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Speaker 2: non stop, always working, always onto the next thing, humble,

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Speaker 2: hard working, no filter. What you see is what you get.

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Speaker 2: I hope you love this chat so inspiring. Anthony o'paralia,

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Speaker 2: thank you again for sharing your time on this pod.

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Speaker 1: You are wonderful. Okay your name.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a fear?

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Speaker 2: I've heard that it's if people come into your space invag.

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Speaker 3: That's not a fear, that's anger. Yeah. Do I have

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Speaker 3: a fear? Not really, I accept it them fearless makes

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Speaker 3: it sound. Look, I really live in today. I don't

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Speaker 3: worry about what happened yesterday, and I'm not really worried

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Speaker 3: about what's going to happen because I have no control

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Speaker 3: of what's going to happen. So I live in now,

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Speaker 3: and when you live in now, you deal with situations.

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Speaker 3: Have I been fearful? Yes, in certain situations sometimes I fear. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I never felt any fear until I had a child.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and now I have a nineteen nineteen year

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Speaker 3: old daughter. I have fear for her. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I've heard I heard you sound an interview when

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Speaker 2: you're doing without a trace because you start realizing all

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Speaker 2: the missing persons.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's that are real.

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Speaker 3: No, No, the stats are actually very comforting.

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Speaker 1: Really because it's usually not a stranger.

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, first of all, it's not a stranger yeah,

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Speaker 3: and well the stats of this, I'll ask you, so,

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Speaker 3: how many chiital strangers kidnapped kids from their families in

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Speaker 1: I've researched at six in all of America years.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's always a family member, uncle, anne, father, mother, bad, divorced,

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Speaker 3: stuff like that. But so the chances your child being

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Speaker 3: kidnapped by a random strangers are very very thin, the small.

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Speaker 3: But my fear is more about like her personal now

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Speaker 3: that she lives in New York and now she's out

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Speaker 3: on her own. Yeah, you know I have that dad fear. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Dade's a good Yeah, I have dad fear.

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Speaker 2: I think easy favorite play, right, of course.

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Speaker 1: Of course you have a favorite movie. I feel like

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Speaker 3: Best years of their lives.

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Speaker 1: I don't know it.

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Speaker 3: It's a nineteen forty eight, forty seven. It's a post war,

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Speaker 3: into their normal small town lives and they can't do it.

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Speaker 3: It's a brilliant movie. Frederick marsh Myrna Lloyd, a real

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Speaker 3: guy who had both his hands blown off from the Navy.

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Speaker 3: He won an oscar. Really, Yeah, the real Sailor. They

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Speaker 3: cast him in it and Diana Dana Andrews, I think

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Speaker 3: just because it dealt with something at the time that

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Speaker 1: Is that true? How you let your alpaco?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I had it on tell you. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of your accent, you in Happy Fate, Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: you play like this baddie, like almost got like a

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Speaker 1: And your accent is amazing.

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Speaker 2: You're like this gravelly New Yorky gangster.

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Speaker 1: Is how you sound.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But it's hard to pick one. It's hard to

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Speaker 3: pick one movie all these different movies from different from

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Speaker 1: The conversation, Okay, I haven't seen that either.

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Speaker 3: It's a seventies movie with Gene Hackman. And there's this

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Speaker 3: Gene Hackman and ask him this question. He wears this

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Speaker 4: This this see through plastic raincoat and it just encapsulates

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Speaker 4: that your choice? I think it would have been too,

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Speaker 4: but I love stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Are you one of those actors that the shoes your

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Speaker 3: Like the wardrobe mean, yeah, I like the water has

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hopefully that's interesting because if you think of

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Speaker 2: your wardrobe in like Bad Blood versus Night Trim poll

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Speaker 3: Or if you want to see some really Joe Grisham thing. Oh,

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Speaker 3: I'm dressed like like honestly, I'm just like like like

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Speaker 3: leather pads.

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Speaker 1: You know, like, have you stolen anything after?

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Speaker 3: None of it? That was when I was, you know,

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Speaker 3: young and then. But you know, it depends like every

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Speaker 3: kind of generation. There are movies that you love. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to think there's another one that I really

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Speaker 3: loved that's kind of obscure, but it's called ninth Configuration

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Speaker 2: Okay, there's one that you told me to watch, which

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Speaker 2: I haven't yet. It's a John Patrick Shan Moonstruck, Moonstrock, Moonstruck.

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Speaker 3: You you we're going back and watching movies from eighties,

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Speaker 3: and look at these movies because they actually took their

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Speaker 3: time with character development. I also liked Catch twenty two.

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Speaker 3: I love the book.

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Speaker 1: So this is my next question. Favorite.

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Speaker 3: Alan Arkin is one of my favorite actors of all time. Really, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's brilliant Alan Orkan. If you look at his body

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Speaker 3: and I just think he's the most underrated, undersung brilliant actor.

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Speaker 2: Because you've worked with so many good ones like yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, I've seen you to a scene opposite Jude.

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Speaker 3: Law, Yeah, Bob de Niro, Yeah, who you really like?

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Speaker 1: Another brilliant voice, good guy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, do you have a favorite book or does

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Speaker 2: it change depending on what.

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Speaker 3: You're My idea of fun this was called okay, it's

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Speaker 3: And who was it written? By will self my idea

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Speaker 3: of fun, which is really good. And I also like Moonlight.

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Speaker 3: Margaret read great name. Oh okay, it's a Russian book.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I read it. I'll read it. What's something that's

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Speaker 3: Look, I'm one of these guys. Look, I never cry, right,

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Speaker 3: I'm not a cry but sometimes late at night I'll

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Speaker 3: be watching something and it'll be the most bizarre thing.

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Speaker 1: And you'll get teary.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. It was just like, oh and you know, I'll

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Speaker 2: Do you know what you got me to watch recently?

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Speaker 2: And I get tierry when I watch it? The Spectrum

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Speaker 2: of Love.

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Speaker 3: The Love on a Spectrum, Love on the Spectrum, the

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Speaker 1: It was just for me when the parent when you

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Speaker 3: That made me that actually is the last thing that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good, good choice.

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 2: Is there anything on your bucket list? Being like I

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Speaker 2: Like for me it was for ages swimming with sharks

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Speaker 1: Is there anything like kind of like you're like, hey,

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Speaker 2: And you haven't shot a film yet, or a location

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Speaker 2: or anywhere you want to be.

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Speaker 3: I'll go on any location except Ontario, Canada. Want to

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Speaker 1: Have you done Ontario?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, no offense on Tario. I get to

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Speaker 3: see some I always I wanted to do after the Fall,

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Speaker 3: same director who directed me and from the Bridge, Oh,

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Speaker 3: Michael May, Michael May, Yeah, that was not There was

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Speaker 3: He said the second act doesn't work, and I'm too

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Speaker 3: doesn't want the maralism.

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Speaker 3: But I think when I read that play, that's like

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Speaker 2: I've watched a few interviews with him, and he sees

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Speaker 3: Doesn't want it, And he wrote it in that play,

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Speaker 3: and it did not do well.

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Speaker 1: You've got to do it. Maybe you'll meant to do it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I mean, look, I'm

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Speaker 3: always looking for something that kind of just I read it.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that We with Glentanna didn't you just didn't there?

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Speaker 3: That was so interesting because I was doing a movie

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Speaker 3: So much that it was that he was I don't

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Speaker 3: my three book movie, three, how Much I had to Wait?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Bye?

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Speaker 3: He crossed the agency a bit of money because that,

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, thank you so much for doing that

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Speaker 2: ten questions.

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Speaker 1: You're phenomenal.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: That's a wrap on another episode of fearlessly failing as always.

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