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Speaker 1: skip today's deep dive and we'll be back this afternoon

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Speaker 1: for your evening headlines.

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Speaker 2: Already, and this is the Daily OS. This is the

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Speaker 2: Daily OS. Oh now it makes sense. Good morning, and

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Speaker 2: welcome to the Daily OS. It's Thursday, the twenty fourth

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Speaker 2: of April. I'm Billy fitz.

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Speaker 1: Simon's I'm Zara Seidler.

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Speaker 2: Last month, the body of a nineteen year old girl,

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Speaker 2: Audrey Griffin, was found in a creek on New South

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Speaker 2: Wales central coast. She disappeared after walking home from a

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Speaker 2: that her death was not suspicious, but this week police

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Speaker 2: charged a fifty three year old man who was not

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Speaker 2: known to her with her murder. On today's podcast, we

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Speaker 2: are going to explain what we know about the death

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Speaker 2: of nineteen year old Audrey Griffin, and we're also going

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Speaker 2: to take a book look at what the major parties

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Speaker 2: in this country.

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Speaker 1: Billy, can we just start at the beginning of the

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Speaker 1: story and can you just walk us through what we

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Speaker 1: understand to have happened to nineteen year old Audrey Griffin.

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Speaker 2: So this goes back to March to last month, and

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Speaker 2: so it was on Sunday, the twenty third of March

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Speaker 2: was walking home from a night out with her friends

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Speaker 2: we know that her friends hadn't heard from her, and

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Speaker 2: so they called the police and at about three am

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Speaker 2: the death was not suspicious. Now I thought it was

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Speaker 2: just worth explaining because we covered this on the daily

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Speaker 2: Ods and there were a few comments saying why did

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Speaker 2: And the reason for that is just from a media perspective. Usually,

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Speaker 2: when something is deemed as not suspicious, then the media

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Speaker 1: And I think this idea of it moving from being

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it only changed last week when police appealed

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Speaker 2: we do know about the alleged crime at this point,

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Speaker 2: so New South Wales police alleged the man was involved

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and just to explain when we need to use it.

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Speaker 2: So when we explain Audrey's death, we don't need to

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Speaker 2: that's an alleged crime that, like you said, has not

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Speaker 1: And now to talk through that process that is on foot.

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Speaker 1: The first interaction I had with this story was reading

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Speaker 1: But Billy, I do want to zoom out just for

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Speaker 1: Can you paint a bit more of a picture about this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, the nineteen year old's death marks the twenty

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Speaker 1: When we uploaded this to Instagram, I was scrolling through

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Speaker 1: while not wanting to politicize this conversation, I am keen

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Speaker 2: I'm interested in your thoughts. I don't think it has

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Speaker 1: Not at all. I truly don't know if I've heard

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Speaker 2: Which is surprising considering I feel like this time last

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Speaker 1: It's interesting the disconnect that emerges because so many people

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. So with that forward view, what are they

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Speaker 2: So I'll go through Labor and the Coalition. Earlier this

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Speaker 2: comes to women in Australia. Now, that policy document clearly

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Speaker 2: includes boosting frontline services support and also investing in housing

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Speaker 2: that more must change urgently. Those are their words. Labour

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Speaker 2: quote breaking the cycles of trauma. And then they also

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Speaker 2: will have a more targeted approach for First Nations communities.

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Speaker 2: So they have said that they will deliver the first

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's what Labor is saying they will do

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Speaker 1: So both sides of politics are acknowledging here that there

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Speaker 1: in different ways. Billy, thank you for taking us through

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