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Speaker 1: This is gam Nation with Jonesy.

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Speaker 2: Does Brendan Jones have a medical issue or is irritated

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Speaker 2: that his mother used to take lots of photos of

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Speaker 2: him as a kid. Every single photo we have of

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Speaker 2: him pretty much his eyes are closed. We thought we'd

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Speaker 2: go to the source of all science and knowledge, Doctor Carl,

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Speaker 2: I Font, Doctor Carl Hello.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Dot Romanda and doctor Jonesie.

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Speaker 2: What do you think's going on here? Dr carl The sun.

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Speaker 1: Is bright and he doesn't like to look into the

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Speaker 1: sudn And in the old days he had to stare

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Speaker 1: into the sudden because the cameras were that good in

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Speaker 1: the film that was good and therefore he's squinty.

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Speaker 2: But what happens when we're in a studio or just

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Speaker 2: in our studio here where there's no bright lights, and

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Speaker 2: he still happens.

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Speaker 1: Ah, that's a law of maximum inconvenience. You spend maybe

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Speaker 1: ten percent of your time blinking, and you need to

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Speaker 1: take more photos to find on where he's not blinking,

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Speaker 1: or maybe he just likes to have his eyes shut.

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Speaker 1: I need to actually do an experiment. And remember the

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Speaker 1: difference between science and just fooling around is writing it

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Speaker 1: down so it actually you have to take a whole

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Speaker 1: bunch of photos and then write down the results of

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Speaker 1: what we get rather than just getting the mental impression.

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Speaker 2: Because what happens though, is like I'm looking at one

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Speaker 2: particular photo. Here, there's twenty people in the photo. Everyone's

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Speaker 2: got their mouths open, everyone's laughing, everyone's goofing off. Everyone's

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Speaker 2: eyes are open except for Jonesy. So we all blink

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Speaker 2: the same amount, but he does it in every photo.

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Speaker 1: Hang on, how many photos have you checked it out

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Speaker 1: for this?

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Speaker 2: Well, there's probably about ten that I can have easy

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Speaker 2: access to where everyone's eyes are open and not Jonesy's.

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Speaker 1: That's not a bad size. Now, we're the photos taken

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Speaker 1: with a flash.

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Speaker 2: Not all of them. Some were not all.

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Speaker 1: Because with a flash you have something called the photic reflex,

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Speaker 1: where you sneeze whenever the light the all around you

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Speaker 1: changes normally from dark to brighter. There could also be

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Speaker 1: another factor.

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Speaker 3: Could it be psychological doctor Carl my mother when I

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Speaker 3: was young, we'll be doing something whatever, we'd be doing

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Speaker 3: something cool, whatever, you know, playing with our train sets

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Speaker 3: so cool, and you go, okay, let's get a photo

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Speaker 3: of this, and she would kill the mood and gather

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Speaker 3: everyone around so you have a conversation. You could be

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Speaker 3: doing anything, and I used to hate that so part

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Speaker 3: of me. And my sister brought this up yesterday. She said,

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Speaker 3: my brother and I we used to sit there and

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Speaker 3: just go eat and close our eyes because we just

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Speaker 3: didn't like getting our photo taken. And I completely forgot

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Speaker 3: about that.

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Speaker 1: You might have solid how much have we charged Amanda

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Speaker 1: for this counseling?

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Speaker 3: And you know what I often find when they want

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Speaker 3: to take pictures of us, when we have to get

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Speaker 3: professional things taken for billboards and stuff. I don't mind that,

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Speaker 3: but it's when the show's finished and then we've got

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Speaker 3: a guess and they go like, can we get a photo?

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Speaker 3: And you go, yeah, radio, and then can we get

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Speaker 3: one more? Can we get one more? And then I

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Speaker 3: go forgot?

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Speaker 2: Can I say even the ones we have taken professionally

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Speaker 2: for billboards and things? As you say, let's go through

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Speaker 2: those three your eyes? So true? It is so true.

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Speaker 2: Let's look at our production team who were there on

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Speaker 2: the shoot day nodding their heads.

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Speaker 3: But a man's mouth's open and all the photos car

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Speaker 3: what does that mean?

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Speaker 1: These are deep psychological factors, and I think we need

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Speaker 1: to discuss this off edge of try and find out

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Speaker 1: what happened. If we're going down the Freud pathway, everything

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Speaker 1: would be due to sex. But then there are other

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Speaker 1: things that get nowadays related to things like the taste

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Speaker 1: of the mangoes you last had, the color of the sky,

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Speaker 1: the rain, the people that you did do or do

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Speaker 1: not vote for. There are certain psychological factors influencing it's

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Speaker 1: very difficult to take out just one in isolation.

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Speaker 2: So it's easy to go down the medical route and

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Speaker 2: say there's something going on.

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Speaker 1: Well, sometimes there isn't. Sometimes there isn't. This is a

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Speaker 1: deep topic you've discussed. I didn't realize it was so deep.

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Speaker 2: Yes it is. It is deep. It's deep and it's

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Speaker 2: real and if you want to have a look at Actually,

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Speaker 2: we've put some photos up on our on our instead

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Speaker 2: of this morning, on our Facebook, our socials, a photo

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Speaker 2: after photo of Jonesy with his.

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Speaker 3: I certainly like going down the medical route with you,

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Speaker 3: doctor Carl and Doctor Carl's Little Book of Climate Change

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Speaker 3: Science is out? Is it still out now?

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Speaker 1: For Chris us?

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Speaker 3: That's a great book.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we do have a second printing.

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Speaker 2: Run Eyes wide open for that.

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Speaker 3: That's great doctor cal Thank you, thank you so you.

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Speaker 1: Servis