1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 1: It's time for the week that was and joining us 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: in this studio this morning. We have got the Sea 3 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Oh Peace, Opposition spokesperson for Health Bill Yan. 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 2: Morning, Darwin. 5 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: Great to have you in the studio. We have got 6 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: the wonderful Independent never forgot Keesy Apuric, Good morning to 7 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: you morning. And we've also got Chancey Pake, the Attorney 8 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 1: General for the Northern Territory and Labor rep for this morning. 9 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 3: Good morning, Chance, good morning in a shout out to everyone. 10 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: Wonderful to have you all in the studio. Did you 11 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: feel the earth moved last night? 12 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, my bloody dog got on the bed again. I 13 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 4: think that's what it was. 14 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 3: Look was shaking the. 15 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 4: Bit of an earth exactly that. 16 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: Out of control. Bill Yan, Well, yeah, I tell you 17 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: what it was. It's always interesting when those earthquakes arrived, 18 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: and interesting to see the reaction of the Northern Territory. 19 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: Everybody usually jumps online to double check whether they've imagined 20 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: it or not. 21 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 4: I didn't feel it, but when we sleep, even when 22 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 4: we had that earth tremor a couple of months back 23 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 4: or last year, about four o'clock in the morning four thirty, 24 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 4: that one did wake everyone up in town. Literally and 25 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 4: you could hear it. Yeah, and it's interesting, but a 26 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 4: little bit our stuff. It started We've got two dogs 27 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 4: in the house at night and they just went funny. 28 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 4: They just stood up and then you could just hear 29 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 4: like a roar and it went off for ages. Yeah, 30 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 4: she don't need to run out and take down some 31 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 4: finaware or something. Everyone went straight. 32 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: Online this morning. 33 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 5: It was I was awake when it happened, and I 34 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 5: was like, oh, another earthquake. And after the one at Christmas, 35 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 5: as I was here, this was like, it's only a tailor, Yeah, exactly. 36 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 3: Awkward. 37 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 6: Man, You've been in a deep sleep and you wake 38 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 6: up and you just have no idea. 39 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: What's going on exactly. 40 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 3: Doesn't help if your bed is on wheels. 41 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: No it doesn't. 42 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 4: You ended up under this under the window when you're 43 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 4: under the door. 44 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: Well, i'll tell you what. It is always interesting when 45 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: you do have an earthquake or you feel those earthquakes 46 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: here in the top end. But well, it's been an 47 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: interesting week, that is for sure. And yesterday we know 48 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: that outside of Parliament, hundreds of teachers, correction staff, nurses 49 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: and fieries were amongst those protesting the government's wage frees. 50 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: Now we know that prisons went into lockdown as correction 51 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 1: staff took strike action. Schools remained open, but classes look 52 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: quite different with kids going into their classrooms and the 53 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: Education Department obviously doing their best to manage that whole situation. 54 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,679 Speaker 1: But I tell you what, some very strong words yesterday 55 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: from the unions. I was watching nine News Starwin last 56 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: night and to hear Erina Early really quite furious. It 57 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: sounded with the Northern Territory government at the moment. 58 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 4: I think all of them, Katie. I popped across and 59 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 4: I went to the teachers rally last week or the 60 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 4: week before whenever it was. And yes, you're quite correct, 61 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 4: there were the fires, corrections, emergency services and nurses, but 62 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 4: my father, the biggest group was the teachers and I 63 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 4: would put it at five to eight hundred people who really, yeah, 64 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 4: sure would. There's lots of supporters, you know, you just 65 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 4: sort of work out how you add up the crowd. 66 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 4: But the message was very clear that to stop the 67 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 4: wage freeze. And I've spoken to lots of particularly in 68 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 4: the teaching area about my ruler. It's not just about 69 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 4: the pay and the salary and the iniquities. It's about 70 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 4: the support that the schools are not getting that they 71 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 4: should be getting, for example, school based constables, school based auxiliaries. 72 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 4: You know, I might beef about that, but to me, 73 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 4: Men still doesn't or didn't have a school based auxiliary 74 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 4: for whatever reason. We're still waiting for our second counselor. 75 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 4: School counselor was from six months ago, and all the 76 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 4: extracurricular activities that the teachers get involved in. So that 77 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 4: was that's their strong message. And I know the government 78 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 4: made an offer at the last minute, but the question 79 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 4: has to be asked, why why at the last minute. 80 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 4: You know, you're giving a thick document to analyze and 81 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 4: say I don't strike, And I'm like, that's not really fair. 82 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 4: They should have been doing this six months ago with 83 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 4: all of these groups. We know we've got inflation high, 84 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 4: we know our cost of livings up here. 85 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: I just had absolutely I just had a. 86 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 4: Girlfriend up from down south from boarding school, and I said, 87 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 4: we're talking about this and she said, yeah, you're my 88 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 4: bar expensive up here. She's from Geraldon in WA. And 89 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 4: it's just when you find people like that that tell 90 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 4: you what it costs down there and what it costs 91 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 4: up here. But the message was very strong. You know, 92 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 4: clearly the fieries can't strike because of the nature of 93 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 4: their job. They're unhappy. They're unhappy, unhappy. And the interesting thing, 94 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 4: and I heard this morning erin Early is also the 95 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 4: president of the Labor Party, and she's stepped down because 96 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 4: she can't. She can't do both. You can't support the 97 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 4: Labor Party and push with their policies, presumably, but then 98 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 4: at the same time be critical of her Labor Party 99 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 4: and the government. 100 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: So I got to say I thought that hell might 101 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: freeze over yesterday. When I then saw the COLP standing 102 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: outside with the unions, I thought, goodness, met, the world's 103 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: gone upside down here and what's going on. 104 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 5: We come out very very early on on the pay 105 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 5: free stuff, Katie, and we've never said that we supported 106 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 5: the pay freeze. I said. Langland had a report for 107 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 5: budget repair and that included an actual way drawer. 108 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 2: Now Langoland's three years old, now a. 109 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 5: Lot of change's and that's getting older, so that sort 110 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 5: of needs to be looked at. 111 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 2: But when you look at it, a wage. 112 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 5: Freeze, there's no wages grow. So you get a Barnes's 113 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 5: Roight bonus is great. You go out and buy a 114 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 5: new TV. But how does that help you? 115 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: Now? With the increased cost living, inflation going. 116 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 5: Up, fuels going up, there's all these dynamics changing in 117 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 5: the community. And if you don't get a pay rise 118 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 5: at least getting close to inflation, then you're going to 119 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 5: be on the back foot for a long time. And 120 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 5: of course, where is the government going to be in 121 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 5: four years time when these pay freeze is in because 122 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 5: they the wage parody for the territory against every other 123 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 5: state in the country is going to be ten or 124 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,119 Speaker 5: twelve percent behind. How are we going to get people 125 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 5: in the territory, How we're. 126 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 1: Going to keep from That's exactly right, and this is 127 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: a major issue at the moment. We know that nationally 128 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: there is a job some at taking place, a job 129 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: and training some at taking place where this very issue 130 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: is being discussed. But the worry and the and the 131 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: concern that we've got here in the territory is that 132 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: how can we afford USh and Chadsey, you know, this 133 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: is the thing that a lot of people are questioning 134 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: at the moment. Sure, you know, we'd love to see 135 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: the public servants sketch that pay increase, and I think 136 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: they deserve it. I've been very supportive of the teachers 137 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: taking that strike action because I think they are, you know, 138 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: helping to shape the minds of our young people. But 139 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government's in a situation right now where 140 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: they can't really afford to do much. 141 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 6: Look, I think it's really first to just acknowledge that 142 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 6: the Northern Territory Government, through our Minister for Public Employment, 143 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 6: Paul Kirby, has been meeting regularly with all those union 144 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 6: delegates involved across multiple portfolios as those. 145 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 3: EBAs are expiring. 146 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 6: Certainly we have worked through that, We've looked at considerations, 147 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 6: We've put two offers out to teachers and to the corrections. 148 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 6: We absolutely acknowledge and support that those unions and delegates 149 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 6: absolutely have the right to strike the right to protect action. 150 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 6: We've not stood in the way of allowing that action 151 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 6: to occur. We saw yesterday take place. We'll put the 152 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 6: offer out. Obviously, there is a long process when an 153 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 6: offer's made where it goes back to the executive and 154 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 6: then it goes out to members to be voted on, 155 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 6: and we'll keep working through that. We're absolutely not saying 156 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 6: that anything's off the table, but we'll work through it. 157 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 6: In a thoughtful way and listening to those I mean, 158 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 6: I've got the portfolio area of corrections, and I've been 159 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 6: with Minister Kirby talking to them around what their asks 160 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 6: are and the conditions that need to be listened to. 161 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 5: Well, tell what, yesterday, there's one really clear message from yesterday. 162 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 5: And I was out there talking to people on you 163 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,679 Speaker 5: A lot of those union members and delegates, they're angry, 164 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 5: and they're really really angry. I've seen them upset before, 165 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 5: but yesterday it was some next level stuff. 166 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's certainly what you could see that from the 167 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: vision that came through. 168 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 4: And quite a few expletives, Yeah, there was out And 169 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 4: I think that's symptomatical sign of the frustration. 170 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: Absolutely a big point that I want to ask, and 171 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: I know that a lot of parents out there listening 172 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: this morning are probably wondering the same thing. Chancey. I 173 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: know that you said that. Obviously the Minister's been meeting 174 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: with you know, with the teachers and with those different 175 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: different departments, but specifically with the teachers. If all of 176 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: these meetings have been taking place, why doesn't reach the 177 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: point where you know where there's two strikes now within 178 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: the course of two weeks. 179 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 6: Look again, I think there's always multiple reasons behind why 180 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 6: protected action is taken. Sometimes it is to set in 181 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 6: strong messages to government. Sometimes it's when people can't reach 182 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 6: an agreement. There's multiple considerations and again those conversations that 183 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 6: have been occurring and they will continue on into the 184 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 6: future as well with the Education Minister and with the 185 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 6: Minister for Public Employment. 186 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 3: But I think you know what. 187 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 6: We have seen is cheap cheap shots as well. Because 188 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 6: it's all good for the CLP to come out and 189 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 6: say that they don't support the wages policy, Well, how 190 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 6: are they going to pay for it? That's the questestin 191 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 6: These are wage freezers have been brought in because the territory, 192 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 6: as we all know, has had structural. 193 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 3: With a few issues around its deficit. 194 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 6: And we had Leah come out yesterday saying she doesn't 195 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 6: support it, but how is she going to pay for it? 196 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 3: And how many public servants is she going to cut? Six? 197 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 4: Tell you how they can pay for it by stop 198 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 4: splashing money around. 199 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: Twenty million dollars. 200 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 5: It's like, look at some of the wages and. 201 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 3: Plans were in government. 202 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: For I'll tell you what something that was so loudly 203 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: heard though from the union yesterday is that if this 204 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: wage freeze is not lifted, you know, the unbelievably you know, 205 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: you've got unions saying they will not vote for labor. 206 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 6: Look, it just takes a moment to reflect on the 207 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 6: track record of the cel P here. We we won't 208 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 6: sack public servants, then they sacked about to see your. 209 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 3: Smarter than you've given credit for. 210 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: Very frustrated and you know, I always think it's really interesting. 211 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: Then you know when that point is made that, you know, 212 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: the opposition obviously saying it. Also youuke easier saying that 213 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: you you know, you wouldn't waste money on things in 214 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: the lead into a by election, and I know that 215 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: the government that's right. 216 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 4: And I'm Freddie Conceialer, Well that's exactly right. 217 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: And the government always it pains to say, you know, 218 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: they're different buckets of money. I remember I got told 219 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: that in the day when the grand stand announcement was made, 220 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: and I was saying, well, hang on a second. You 221 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: know we've got the hospital that's in code yellow, but 222 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: we're spending money on a grandstand. And I'm always getting 223 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: told they're different buckets of money. I've got to tell 224 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: you Territorians don't care what bucket of money it is. 225 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: They want to make sure that it's been. 226 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 4: The other thing to get. You know, I accept what 227 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 4: chance he's saying about our fiscal and our structural situation 228 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 4: in the charity, but one of the things that we've 229 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 4: got to continue to be conscious of is to try 230 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 4: and build our own source revenue and the three main 231 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 4: sources of mineral royalty, stamp duty and payroll tax. And 232 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 4: so the only way we're going to get those to 233 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:14,119 Speaker 4: build and get more money is to support those industries 234 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 4: better and better and more and more, to get more 235 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 4: minds on the ground. And I'm tired of Minister Madison saying, oh, 236 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 4: we've got call with him doing what they're doing it 237 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 4: down finished Way. Yeah, of course they are. We need 238 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 4: another world class project, we need another range of mind. 239 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 4: We need another Grood Island, we need another Alcan Nullan Boy, 240 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 4: whatever you want to call it. We need another Granite. 241 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 4: These small minds are really good and they really boost 242 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 4: the economy in the small area and also generally and 243 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 4: with a bigger mining industry, then you get more people 244 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 4: coming here buying houses. That increases your stamp duty, that 245 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 4: increases your payroll tax. We have to build our own 246 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 4: source revenue and then. 247 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 3: We are too remember we're building middle arm. 248 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 4: Well I agree with that. I have no issue with that. 249 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 4: But you want something that generates revenue continually and that's 250 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 4: what you get from a major project. Well down the. 251 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: Look, we are going to have to take a very 252 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: short break. You are listening to Mix one O four 253 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: point nine. It is the week that was. If you've 254 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: just joined us in the studio with me, Bill Yan, 255 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: Kizi Epuric and Chancey Paig. Now we know that throughout 256 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: the week inside Parliament, of course, during the week the 257 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: state of the Northern Territories Police Force was high on 258 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: the agenda, the Opposition and Independent member Kisi Epiric pushing 259 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: for the Select Committee to go ahead into reviewing well 260 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: police attrition and various other aspects. But as you heard 261 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: from the Police Minister Kate Warden throughout the week, she 262 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: said that it was not required. There is a review 263 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: into the financials and also the structure currently underway when 264 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: it comes to the Northern Territory Police. Now she's not 265 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: ruled out a full restructure of the police force, but 266 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: yesterday we know inside Parliament or it may have been 267 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: the day before Lea Fanocchiaro and also Eukezier argued why 268 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: it should have gone ahead. We then had a situation 269 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: where the Member for Blaying Mark Turner revealed that he's 270 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: written to the Prime Minister calling for a royal commission 271 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: into the force. There is no doubt that there's a 272 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: lot to take in on this, I know that. In 273 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: addition to that, the Police Association president Paul McHugh said 274 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: that he was really appalled by the fact that you 275 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: know that the calls for this review had been referred 276 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: to as a talk fest. 277 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 4: That's when I first heard that case. Want me to 278 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 4: jump into. 279 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 5: Well, I just I suppose look fundamentally that the first 280 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 5: thing is is Kate Warden's comments about financial restructure and 281 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 5: then a general restructure a bit of a slap in 282 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 5: the face for police. 283 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: A restructure of finance. 284 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 5: Is that going to fix the core issues that we're 285 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 5: seeing within our police? 286 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 2: Is that going to help with their morale? 287 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 5: Is that going to help with all the other issues 288 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 5: that they're talking about. 289 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: My understanding was that it was obviously looking to all 290 00:13:55,720 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: the finances, but a full restructure of the force. It's 291 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 1: not off the car. 292 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 4: Steps back a bit. Minister Warden announced that this review 293 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 4: was happening in the Parliament this week and so first 294 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,599 Speaker 4: I'd ever heard of it. There's been no public announcement. 295 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 4: And as I said to you on a previous interview, 296 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 4: who's doing the review? Is it police reviewing police? Which 297 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 4: won't be acceptable to the police officers. 298 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: Well, I will say just very quickly. We're going to 299 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: be speaking to the Police Commissioner this morning at ten thirty, 300 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: so I'm hoping to get the answers to some of 301 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: those questions because I know that a lot of people 302 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: in the community want to know the answers to those, 303 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: as do rank and file police officers. 304 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 4: I think the Minister did say that Treasury people were 305 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 4: looking at the money side of things, and I can't 306 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 4: accept that given their expertise in Treasury. But as Bill said, 307 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 4: we're looking at serious call problems our care. There's a 308 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 4: rot in there. I think the Police Association has said 309 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 4: the police force is unwell, which was a polite way 310 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 4: of saying it's in bloody trices. And I think that 311 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 4: it's fine to have this review, but what do they 312 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 4: come up with that we haven't already been tamed we've. 313 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 5: Asked for three We've asked for three inquiries now in 314 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 5: the last two years into police. And so look that 315 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 5: this hasn't happened overnight. This has been coming for this 316 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 5: has been coming for a while. And said we've asked 317 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 5: three times now for reviews and to look at what's 318 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 5: happening with police. And it's not a bet of Witchhutter's 319 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 5: about trying to identify the problems then come up with 320 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 5: some solutions through the parliamentary process. The source better to 321 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 5: assist police, and every time it just gets shouted down. 322 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 5: And now at the situation where the majority of police 323 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 5: don't have confidence in their leader, which is a major issue. 324 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 5: They don't believe they have enough resources, amongst a number 325 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 5: of other things, and you've got to wonder, as as 326 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 5: a copper going to work every day, how do you 327 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 5: actually feel. 328 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 4: The other thing which I wasn't aware of is the 329 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 4: police system. They don't have an electronic system of where 330 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 4: people are rosted. It's all done by a paper copy, 331 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 4: for example. So they're right at any point in time, 332 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 4: and maybe the police commissioner can explain it better when 333 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 4: you speak to him, but any point of time they 334 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 4: probably don't know where their officers are. I mean, they 335 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 4: keep telling us, the government keeps telling us, and I 336 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 4: accept that. You know, we've got lots of police officers 337 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 4: all across the territory, but we still complain and people 338 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 4: complain about lack of police officers on the beat, the 339 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 4: visual visual police officers. You know what happened to all 340 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 4: the school based constables. They took out of the schools 341 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 4: and put somewhere in the police. Some of them may 342 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 4: retire to get that, but it's just the response times 343 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 4: are not their life they used to be. And the 344 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 4: promise if you get a promise number that that's the data. 345 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 4: They used to say. This is how many crime statistics 346 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 4: we've got. But I can tell you, Katie, in the 347 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 4: rule are there are people who just do not report 348 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 4: unusual potentially. We spoke to a. 349 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: Listener earlier in the week who said that he'd called 350 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: the one three, one triple four number and could not 351 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: get through, and then the next day was on hold 352 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: for more than half an hour and still couldn't get 353 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: hold of somebody. So that's an issue. 354 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 4: Is that a telephone issue as well? 355 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: The police minister said to me on the show earlier 356 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: in the week that she said that it was because 357 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: of an increase in crime. She thought that it was 358 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: a situation where it was an increase in people calling 359 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: through on the same you know, the same incident that 360 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: may have occurred, which I know that our listeners were 361 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: not happy with that. They did not believe that that 362 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: was the case. Look, I think fundamentally we've got a 363 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: situation here right now where obviously we've had the Police Association, 364 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: they have released the results from that survey. That survey 365 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: has found that the morale is incredibly low. It's also 366 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: found that they're a large number of our officers do 367 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: not feel that there's enough of them to be able 368 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: to do the job that's being asked of them. And 369 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: it has also raised a really serious concern when it 370 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: comes to the confidence of the Police Commissioner. So I 371 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: think what the public and also the rank and file 372 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: of the police force want to really know now is 373 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: what are the steps forward. And obviously the Police Minister 374 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: on the show saying that those reviews are going to happen, 375 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: that there's also work taking. 376 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 4: Place, results going to be comfortable. Well, that's a. 377 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: Very good point and that is certainly something that will 378 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: chase up and there's. 379 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 6: A few like, Yeah, the Police Commissioner is on the 380 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 6: show this morning. I think at ten thirty. I think 381 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 6: you've had Minister Warden, the Police forire and Emergency Services 382 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 6: this week on the show talking about there have been 383 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 6: a number of reviews. 384 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 3: One has already been completed. 385 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 6: That was the Police Welfare Review and that talked about 386 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 6: bringing HR services back into the police away from the 387 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 6: Public Commission of Public Employment. The Minister spoke about the 388 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 6: Police Financing Review and the Police Disciplinary Procedures Review, and 389 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 6: she's also spoken about a restructure. So look, there is 390 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 6: work going away. I know that Minister Warden, Kate Warden 391 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 6: meets with the Police Association, with the Police Executive and 392 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 6: I know personally I've been out with Minister Warden out 393 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 6: on the beat, working with and talking to officers on 394 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 6: the front line, going out on patrols to understand the challenges. 395 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 3: That they are faced with. 396 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 6: They are hard working professionals. Yes, there is working this 397 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 6: space that needs to be done. But I'm very you know, 398 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 6: I get that Keysier and Bill he have a different 399 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 6: position and we'll just have to disagree on that positions. 400 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 5: Health and Welfare review though that was done ages ago 401 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 5: and sat on a desk in the Police Executive for 402 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 5: a long time and was an action and the fact 403 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 5: that the ministers come out so this this week I'll 404 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 5: find out we're. 405 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 2: Going to bring HR back. 406 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 5: Well, really before this whole machinery government changes wouldn't have 407 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 5: been prudent just to actually leave HR with police in 408 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 5: the first instance, knowing the role they play in how 409 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 5: critical HR is their functions at the at the end 410 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 5: of the day, to take away. 411 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,959 Speaker 6: Things that functions already been brought back to the police, 412 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 6: and that welfare review was tabled in estimates. 413 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 4: So I got a copy. I mean, Minister Waren, I 414 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 4: heard her word. She said, I'll get you a copy, 415 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 4: and she did. So I got a copy and I know, 416 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 4: silky person, I've got a copy and it was good reading. 417 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 4: I mean that where's the implementation. 418 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 5: At and how long it has been done quite some time 419 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 5: ago and it had not been not been acted upon immediately, 420 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 5: and you look at what's been happening with the police 421 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 5: force since then. There's been some absolute tragedies within the 422 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 5: police and I really feel for those men and women 423 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 5: in that police forces. 424 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 2: I worked closely with them, worked alongside them, and. 425 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 5: It's not just police either we heard the head of 426 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 5: the Firees yesterday come out really loud and clear on 427 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 5: his position where he sits with his confidence. 428 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: The station with the executives police. 429 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 2: At the moment. 430 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 4: So it's not policy. 431 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 5: It was it was a whole tri service structure. And 432 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 5: again I said that it really really needs a real 433 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 5: good hard look at and there's a lot of work 434 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 5: and it needs it immediately. 435 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 4: Well, I've advocated in the past and I'll keep advocating 436 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 4: to take split the I did answer that again. I 437 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 4: did ask that of the Police Minister to fire reports. 438 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 4: The Minister mecy Services reports to the Minister. So if 439 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 4: there was a decent view into perhaps and I still 440 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 4: say through a select committee, that might be something that 441 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 4: they'd look at. Should the police be stand alone, given 442 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 4: the workload and all the issues surrounding policing in the territory, 443 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 4: fire standalone because let's be honest, our fire service is 444 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 4: pretty busy fire service, including the volunteers and emergency services. 445 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 4: So I can't recall it's probably a silky government that 446 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 4: brought them under one banner, but I can't recall. 447 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: A situation we should though obviously we spoke to Mark Turner, 448 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: the Member for Blaine. Yesterday he said that he's written 449 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: to the Prime Minister and that he thinks there needs 450 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: to be a Royal commission. I said, you know, I 451 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: did ask him, well, if that's the case, why didn't 452 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: you support you know, the why didn't you support that 453 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: that motion that was put forward for the Select committee. 454 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: He said that he doesn't think that it should be 455 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: something that's rushed through, you know, by a select committee, 456 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: that it needs a further lock. 457 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 4: I've had chats with Mark and there seems to be 458 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,959 Speaker 4: a misunderstanding about what a Select Committee of Apartment actually 459 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 4: is all about. It is never rushed. It is very 460 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 4: it's very thought and it's done very well. And whether 461 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 4: the members have to work every day for a month, 462 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 4: well that's what has to happen to do it. And then, 463 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,479 Speaker 4: as I've said before, if you get to the end 464 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 4: of the review period and the chairman or the committee 465 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 4: thinks we still need a bit more time, they go 466 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 4: back to the Parliament and that's what happened. So and 467 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 4: it's not what Leah Knocker was saying. While we could 468 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 4: meet at lunchtime today, that wasn't about a quickie meeting. Lunchtime. 469 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 4: That was just a preliminary get together, identify the committee 470 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 4: members and say right, this is what we've got to do. 471 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 4: This is the commitment we're going to need from the 472 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 4: committee members and the Secretary of the legs. 473 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 3: And that's point scoring, no but to say. 474 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 4: But for Mark Turner to come out and criticize Leah 475 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 4: for saying, oh, you're just going to choof off in 476 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 4: a meeting and at lunchtime break, I think was unfair. 477 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 4: Select committees are more than that. And I've been on 478 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 4: quite a few. I don't know if you've been on Chancey. 479 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 6: I think so committees have their their journey and their 480 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 6: important journeys. 481 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 3: And I guess just to our disagreeing with my. 482 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 6: Comrade here, we felt we didn't need an inquiry because 483 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 6: we're already doing a large volume of work. We've had 484 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 6: the police, we've had the police, amazing police survey had 485 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 6: come out. You know, there is information out there. We've 486 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 6: meet with people, we know what's going on those survey results. 487 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 6: We're able to kind of get an understanding of where 488 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 6: to from there. 489 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 3: There's work as well we need to do. 490 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 6: And this isn't a political issue here in the Territory, 491 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 6: but there's work we need to do with the Commonwealth. 492 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 3: Regardless of who's in power. 493 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 6: We have what's called Anti RAY, which is the Remote 494 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 6: Northern Territory Remote Aboriginal Investment. That's how we fund some 495 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 6: of the remote policing. And for many years, and it's 496 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 6: both major parties, there's been a lack of investment in 497 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 6: remote police stations out bush and we really need to 498 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 6: communicate that because again it's about providing a good working. 499 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 3: Environment out in those remote communities. 500 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 4: To attract people to go there. 501 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,239 Speaker 6: Absolutely, so that's what we've got to do them as 502 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 6: a pat jurisdiction on both political sides, to actually advocate 503 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 6: for the com off of that investment. 504 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 1: Look, one of the other things that did pass through 505 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: Parliament this week was the spitting legislation. As I understand it, 506 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: so we are now in a situation where spitting on 507 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: police and other frontline emergency workers. We know it's a 508 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: disgusting act, but it now carries stronger penalties. That is 509 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: something that happened throughout the week that legislation passed with 510 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: amendments to the Criminal Code and Sentencing Act of nineteen 511 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 1: ninety five. There were some concerns whether it sort of 512 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: went far enough, because we know that it means that 513 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: if you are found guilty of spitting on somebody, obviously 514 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: the punishment can be longer, longer jail time if that's 515 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: what the judge determines. BH. The opposition, I believe we're 516 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: calling for it to be mandatory, you know, straight from 517 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: the get go, if you spit on somewhere. 518 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 5: I think part of the technicalities is that I'm not 519 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,959 Speaker 5: right across the technicalities, like the lawyers were pretty good 520 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 5: at that sort of stuff, But it needs to be 521 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 5: if you spit on someone who needs to include another. 522 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 2: Level of aggravation. So there needs to be another offense. 523 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 5: Included with the spitting to then. 524 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 2: Attract that higher penalty. 525 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 5: And really, and look, I said, I've been in the 526 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 5: justice system Friday years and I don't think I've ever 527 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 5: seen anyone sentenced to any more than probably six or 528 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 5: twelve months for spitting on somebody. 529 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: So I told earlier in the week by somebody who 530 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 1: works as well in you know, as a law enforcement person, 531 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: that yeah, similar situation, that when they'd been spat on, 532 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: the punishment was really not much at all, and. 533 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 5: That spitting is the absolute worst, and I've seen it 534 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 5: in correction, I've seen it with police because it's not 535 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 5: just the act at the time you get spat on, 536 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 5: then you've got to wait for the test results to 537 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 5: come back to see if you've got a communicable disease. Now, 538 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 5: if you're made with kids, the effect that that has 539 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 5: on your home life, like your relationship with your wife 540 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 5: and your family changes immediately because you may have a 541 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 5: communical disease and you don't know two months, three months, 542 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 5: four months, six months, you get those test results back, 543 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 5: and the stress that that puts on a family and 544 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 5: an individual, it's absolutely the worst thing. 545 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 2: That can ever happen to somebody. 546 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 5: Honestly, I'd rather get smacked in the head or beaten 547 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 5: across there with a stick than spat on at the 548 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 5: end of the day, because at least I know I'm 549 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 5: good to go after that once I'm fixed. 550 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: But for being spat on, I think. 551 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 6: There's unanimous agreement here that size violent, grotesque. 552 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 4: And it has to be stopped and anyways through strong 553 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 4: is stronger penalties. Yeah, I supported the SALP and having 554 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 4: mandated because that would send a very strong message to 555 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 4: anyone in this community. You know, who's who gets caught 556 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 4: up in a fight somewhere or whatever. 557 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 3: But I mean, I disagree we've brought in this. 558 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 6: It's an aggravating it's saying that this is actually the 559 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 6: job of the judiciary to review this. We've kept the 560 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 6: definition very broad so that if someone is spat on 561 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 6: whilst in the line of duty, and it is it's 562 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 6: conut it's connected, you know, it's spat on them, then 563 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 6: that is a factor to be considered before the judiciary. 564 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 5: But sadly, because it's so open, then it's open to 565 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 5: interpretation by the judiciary, by the defense lawyers, and of 566 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 5: course by prosecution. So honestly, at the end of the day, 567 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 5: I don't see a lot of change is going to 568 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 5: happening in sentencing around spitting. To be perfectly honest, I 569 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 5: think it was a bit of window addressing. It sounded nice, 570 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 5: we're making some changes, but the outcomes at the end 571 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 5: of the day for the person who is going to 572 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 5: be the victim of being sped on, I don't think 573 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 5: we're going to see much in a way of change 574 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 5: because there's no immediate consequence for action. Were enough consequence 575 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 5: for that actually? 576 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: Were we in a situation though with the changes to 577 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: the legislation with the spitting you know, with the spitting legislation, 578 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: where the Police Association or the police consulted with on 579 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: that to make sure that it was what they wanted 580 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: and need it. I suppose. 581 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 6: Look, this has been something that has been spoken about 582 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 6: for some time. Certainly we know that we had It's 583 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 6: been discussed in Parliament a number of times. The CLP 584 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 6: has spoken about it. When they tried to introduce a 585 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,959 Speaker 6: bill to Parliament. We had our former police minister at 586 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 6: the time out in the arena talking about it. 587 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 3: So certainly not a new discussion. 588 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: But I guess it may not be a new discussion. 589 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: But is it what they wanted because fundamentally they're the 590 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: ones who are being the victims. 591 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, the legislation that we're brought forward around some of 592 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 5: the managery sentencing for assaults on frontline workers, we're out. 593 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 5: We spoke to police, we spoke to the Police Association, 594 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 5: and we spoke to other representatives of those frontline workers 595 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 5: and they all supported the stuff that we put forward. 596 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 6: In partm Well, I think look that's Bill's position. Certainly, 597 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 6: this is something that we have spoken to people about 598 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,719 Speaker 6: in the community. But also acknowledging that mandatory sentencing, if 599 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 6: you talk to the legal community, will say does not work. 600 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 3: Mandatory sentencing doesn't work. Jailing is failing. 601 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 6: You have to have alternative programs well for people to 602 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 6: engage in, and filling up the prisons is not the answer. 603 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: We are going to have to take a really short break. 604 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: There's been a lot to take in this week, I've 605 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: got to tell you. And earlier in the week, the 606 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: Labor Party was certainly quite keen to push a story 607 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: about a report in the NT News with the Territory 608 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: government calling on the opposition leader to apologize after she 609 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: was reportedly photographed campaigning with an apparent white Suprema sympathizer. 610 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: Now the man who was previously seen flashing a white 611 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: premust hand sign while wearing a shirt link to the 612 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: far right extremist group. The man most reportedly seen then 613 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: attending the colp's election night after party following the Funny 614 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: Bay by election earlier this month. Another photo has reportedly 615 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: also emerged showing the man posing with Miss Finocchio during 616 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: the campaign. Look, I haven't seen the photo aside from 617 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: what's been published in the Northern Territory News. 618 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 4: Oh Katie, I think it's the biggest beat up ever, 619 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 4: can't I can't vouch for any photo. I haven't seen 620 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 4: any photo. I didn't even know that they put into 621 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 4: two fingers together with a sign of white supremacy. I 622 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 4: done well, but obviously. 623 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: Other people do. And then let's want to go. You know, 624 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: if that's the case, and he's then been photographed with. 625 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 4: Just because someone jumps into a photograph with you doesn't 626 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 4: mean you actually like them or he's got anything to 627 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 4: do with you. If Lea's doing something in a campaign 628 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 4: and people are taking photos, often people come in and 629 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 4: can I get a. 630 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 3: Photo police smile on face with the person? I think 631 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 3: he wasn't just like I do you. 632 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 4: Think it's a beat up to take the attention away 633 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 4: from the Labor government Because kent Row is in the 634 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 4: court right now, who was a fifth floor staffer to 635 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 4: the Chief Minister. He's in court charged with very unmentionable 636 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 4: and unpleasant things. 637 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 2: Being a suspicious fellow that I am. I'm here in 638 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 2: your keys. It seems to be a bit of a 639 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 2: beat up this week. 640 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 5: Let's let's look over here and let's make and call 641 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 5: some names and people. 642 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 2: Someone's in court for some really. 643 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: Really right now, I was the former, but he was 644 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: also the former president of the Labor Party. Is my 645 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: understanding as well, and. 646 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 3: That matter I'm not going to I won't hide. It's 647 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 3: before the courts. 648 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 6: What's alleged is absolutely disgusting, and I will call out behavior. 649 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 3: The courts will deal with it. 650 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 6: But as an Aboriginal person, I am absolutely disgusted that 651 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 6: the leader of the opposition hasn't come out and apologized, because. 652 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 3: Let's be clear. But let's be clear here, something like 653 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 3: this is not a new concept. 654 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 6: The Proud Boys were handing out flyers in Palmerston during 655 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 6: the federal election. This is not a new concept. Their 656 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 6: behavior is absolutely apparrent and. 657 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 3: We should not be. 658 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 2: Accepting a disagreement from the We've come out and I should. 659 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 6: Come out, behave and denounce the Proud Boys from the 660 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 6: CELP because that is an alleged member of. 661 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: The situation here is that the situation here that this 662 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: person because I don't know who it is, so, is 663 00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: that the situation where he is a member of the Seal. 664 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 7: Correct, it is alleged that he is a carrying card 665 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 7: member of the c l P. So it's unsubstancious he 666 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 7: has been giving back to It's not I don't okay. 667 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 7: Apparently I was called names in parliament this week too 668 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 7: because apparently I'm in this. 669 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 2: So cool fighter but. 670 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 4: Apparently, well, there you go. 671 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 5: I don't know who it is. It's all on substange 672 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 5: it is, it's. 673 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 6: Strategy, if it's If you think it's that much not 674 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 6: of an issue, then it wouldn't hurt the leader of 675 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 6: the opposition to come out and apologize for those people 676 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 6: who have been spoken. 677 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 4: Out and said they have nothing to do with whoever 678 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 4: this dude is, and they don't support anything to do 679 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 4: with this proud boy's mob, et cetera. Eta. 680 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 2: What else can you do? 681 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 4: It's a non issue move on. 682 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: Well, also, it points to the heart of all the 683 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: things that I don't like about politics, you know, in 684 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: the sense that it's like, well, no, it's like a 685 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: slinging of mud, and it happens all the time from 686 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: both sides. And I get it, you know, like I 687 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: totally get it. You want to make your opposition, whether 688 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: your labor or liberal, look bad over different things. I 689 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: totally understand that. And I will say that I don't 690 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: know who this person is. I haven't seen the photo 691 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: aside from what has been published on the Northern Territory 692 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: News website. And I certainly do not agree in any way, 693 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: shape or form with that kind of extremist behavior that 694 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: goes you know, like absolutely is the case. But it 695 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: does point to me, you know, to the heart of 696 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: the things that I don't like about politics, which is 697 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: that real. 698 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 4: You know, like they playing the man instead of the game. 699 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 4: Just get on with the game. And the game is 700 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 4: We've got a police in a crisis mode. We've got 701 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 4: fire service people who are desperately unhappy. We've got corrections 702 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 4: in our. 703 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 5: Jails, top public service walking out the door, public. 704 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 4: Septs working out the door. 705 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 3: That's really rude. 706 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 6: They're not walking out the door. They have taken protected action, 707 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 6: is absolutely. They are absolutely entitled to take protected action. 708 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 3: So they're not running. 709 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 6: Anywhere, could be scootering out the door taking it out, 710 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 6: and that's they're okay to do that. There are a 711 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 6: number of works are being undertaken at the moment in conversations, 712 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:17,240 Speaker 6: and let's. 713 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 4: Not forget crime. 714 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: I saw a video on somebody's I've seen this from 715 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 1: overnight at Uncle Sam's. 716 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, I went outside Uncle Sam's. Clearly intoxicated because you're 717 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 4: crazy trying to get it inside of the Uncle Sam's 718 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 4: place and taken her clothes off, and then she went 719 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 4: into the middle of the road and bloody slapt on Cook. 720 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,280 Speaker 1: So I who haven't seen that vision? It is somebody 721 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: who you know, who is going berserk outside of Uncle 722 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,720 Speaker 1: Sam's and the poor lady that works at Uncle Sam's 723 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: then trying to keep that person outside. Now, there is 724 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: also pre vision to that which I have seen, where's yeah, 725 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: where it looks as though she has fairly seriously assaulted 726 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: a male inside allegedly. You know from that vision that 727 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: I've seen, you know this, it's shocking stuff. And then 728 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,359 Speaker 1: you know it turns to her banging on cars as 729 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 1: they're trying to class. It's exactly, it's dangerous, it's unacceptable, 730 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: and it's something that we're grappling with right around the 731 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,439 Speaker 1: Northern Territory at the moment. 732 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,800 Speaker 4: That's a more important thing in our community at the 733 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 4: moment is to get the crime and youth crime and 734 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 4: unsociable and unfriendly behavior under control, if not eliminated, because 735 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 4: it's doing harm to our tourism industry. 736 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,479 Speaker 5: And we spoke about that at length yesterday. I said, 737 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 5: we need tourism for economy to grow. Yes to some 738 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 5: tourist are scared to come, which is really sad to see. 739 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: It is really sad to see. 740 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 6: Now. 741 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: One of the other things I want to ask about 742 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: quickly before we have a bit of a break is 743 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: throughout the week there was some there was some discussion 744 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: about the Fuel Disclosure Bill, and I know that it's 745 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 1: now in a situation where it's going to I believe. 746 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 2: Sit for it has to sit from until next settings. 747 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 5: As a proceed there's a parliamentary process, so you develop it, 748 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 5: you introduce it, and you can't bring stuff on really quickly. 749 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 5: It frustrates me. I'd love to be able to get 750 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,959 Speaker 5: something and bring it forward and get it dealt with strive. 751 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: But so look what it basically, Yeah, and basically though 752 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: you know, the aim of it from what I have seen, 753 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: from what the COLPS said, is that the Fuel Disclosure 754 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: Bill for twenty twenty two would force retailers to disclose 755 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: the profit margin on fuel, which means there will be 756 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: transparency on fuel profits, driving the price and the bowser down. 757 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: Now it actually this bill's introduced yesterday, but designed to 758 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: drive down the cost of will hopefully drive down the 759 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: cost of fuel. But it's essentially the Opposition leader has 760 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: said that the COLP didn't make this up. It's a 761 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: clear recommendation from the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, and 762 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: that world oil prices might be high, but the gap 763 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: between the terminal gate price and the bowser is too much. 764 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 1: And look, I think the big concern from everybody at 765 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 1: this point in time, no matter what happens with this, 766 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: is that we know that the fuel excise is due 767 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: to end I believe the twenty eighth of September, so 768 00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,399 Speaker 1: it's really not too far away. 769 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 5: You going to see that jump again, say yeah, Look, 770 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 5: this was a recommendation of the a Triple C, so 771 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 5: it's nothing new, nothing that's been made up. 772 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 2: This recommendation come out quite some time ago. 773 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 5: And look, if I only got to look at the 774 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 5: fuel price around the territory at the moment to see 775 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 5: how this may work, some of the cheapest fuel in 776 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 5: the territory is at Adelaide River, And funnily enough, I 777 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,320 Speaker 5: was at Boro Lula the other week and the diesel 778 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 5: Borrow Lula was only two dollars three, but in Darwin 779 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:24,320 Speaker 5: it was two dollars thirteen. 780 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 2: Figure that one out. 781 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 5: So how can fe'll be ten cents of lead at 782 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 5: cheaper at Boro Lula when you've got to get it 783 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 5: all the way down there. 784 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 4: In the past, it's often been that fuel at Catherine 785 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 4: is cheaper than fuel in Darwin when it's got to 786 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 4: be trucked from Darwin to Catherine. So, I mean that 787 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,359 Speaker 4: tells me that the margins on by some superstations putting 788 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 4: on the fuel here is excessible. 789 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 2: It becomes like a protected market. 790 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 5: If you look at al Springs were chance an I from, 791 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 5: there's only the x amount of service stations in the area. 792 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,240 Speaker 5: You can't really shop around, and if they all collude 793 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 5: together and keep the price at a certain level, then 794 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 5: we the consumers don't do. 795 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 2: So good and they sellers are doing great. 796 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: Well, look, Chancey, why didn't the government do something like 797 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: this rather than leaving you know, rather than the opposition stepping. 798 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 3: In, let's take a step back. 799 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 6: We did introduce to my fuel and te work, which 800 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 6: enables people to find and shop around to find the cheats. 801 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: It just shows everybody that everyone's sitting at the same 802 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:19,839 Speaker 1: price at the moment. 803 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 6: I mean, Katie publishing the profits is scott to have 804 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 6: any effect. It's not going to drive down price. 805 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: Well, it will actually make territory and see though how 806 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: much of a you know, how much of a profit 807 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:31,280 Speaker 1: profit those. 808 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 3: Petrol it's going to change the price of fuel. 809 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: But wouldn't it actually put some pressure on those on 810 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: those outlets to keep fair If we can see exactly 811 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: what kind of profit margin they've got, it would mean 812 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: that every day people go, oh, hang on a second, 813 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: they're making thy sense. 814 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 6: Result in an individual who can see the profits that 815 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 6: they're making probably be pissed off about it and go 816 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:52,720 Speaker 6: to another retailer. 817 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 3: It's not going to drive down. 818 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:55,839 Speaker 1: What do you reckon would work? If you don't think 819 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: that that's something that will work, what does the government 820 00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: think will work? 821 00:38:59,200 --> 00:38:59,399 Speaker 3: Look? 822 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,319 Speaker 6: I know that the Chief Minister has been doing work 823 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,320 Speaker 6: and advocating and in conversations with the A Triple C 824 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 6: to look at and understand the landscape. We have the 825 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,280 Speaker 6: fuel Excise at the moment, which is the Commonwealth in place. 826 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 6: I mean that's probably going to expire at some point 827 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,319 Speaker 6: and change the cost of fuel again. So there are 828 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 6: a number of external factors that I guess as a 829 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 6: parliament we're all going to need to work and look 830 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,240 Speaker 6: at But simply publishing profits is not going to change 831 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 6: the price of fuel. 832 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: I mean, should the government be trying to do something 833 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 1: here though? 834 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 3: You know a lot? 835 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: Look, I mean the Chief Minister admitted on Monday that 836 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 1: she hadn't even heard back from some of those fuel 837 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,840 Speaker 1: you know, fuel companies to the Yes, look at what. 838 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,440 Speaker 5: It's going to do the cost of living with a 839 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 5: change in those fuel excources. Again, I just pull up 840 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,839 Speaker 5: the fuel good old petrol spy. It's a great at 841 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 5: two dollars nine for dueseln Darwin two dollars three in 842 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 5: Adelaide River. 843 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, that gets shruck to Adelaide River. 844 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,400 Speaker 5: But I said, yeah, profit margins will show people. Then 845 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 5: having to identify a profit margin will show people. Okay, 846 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 5: I'm getting gouged at that place. This place is not 847 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 5: gage me. Well, I'll go over there and it draws. 848 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 6: You want to say, you know, this is about publishing 849 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 6: the profits is fine, we're going to This is a 850 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 6: private market. 851 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,879 Speaker 3: Are you suggesting that we nationalize? 852 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 2: Certainly not. 853 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:23,919 Speaker 3: What are you saying? 854 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 1: Well, what I'm suggesting is that the government gets a 855 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: little bit tougher on this because it's impacting every territory 856 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: and every day and one thing that I will say, 857 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,400 Speaker 1: and trust me, I wouldn't. I certainly didn't give him 858 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 1: any compliments when he was the Chief Minister. But one 859 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,840 Speaker 1: thing that Adam Giles did was he stood up in 860 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: this space. He listened when territorians were basically screaming at him. 861 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,799 Speaker 1: Pete Davies was in this chair doing this show while 862 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: it happened, and he said, do you know what, we 863 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,880 Speaker 1: do need to have a petrol summit. We do need 864 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: to have a closer look into this. We do need 865 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: to try our best to help everyday people because they're 866 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 1: the ones that are upset about it. Not Bloody the 867 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 1: CLP or not me, it's everyone. I mean, I'm upset 868 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:02,279 Speaker 1: about it. 869 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 3: I think we all are. 870 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 6: We are starting to see a downward trend of fuel 871 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 6: pricing now. But certainly we'll work with our federal colleagues 872 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,360 Speaker 6: and the Commonwealth because this is an issue that's affecting 873 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 6: us nationwide, so there has to be a nationwide response. 874 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 1: Look, we are going to have to take a very 875 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 1: short break. You are listening to Mix one O four 876 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 1: nine's three sixty. It is the week that was in 877 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 1: the studio with me. This morning, Bill yan Keesier, Purican 878 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 1: Chancey Paig. Now, look, before we wrap up this morning, 879 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,759 Speaker 1: I do want to say that I know you guys 880 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 1: have certainly felt that there's been a notable absence from 881 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 1: the Parliament this week with Robin Lamley away. We know 882 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 1: that her and Craig and their daughter Alice will be 883 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,920 Speaker 1: holding Harry's farewell on Monday. I know it's an incredibly 884 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 1: tough time for the people of Alice Springs and for 885 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 1: everybody who is friends with that family. Yeah, a really 886 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: tough time. 887 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 3: I certainly think. 888 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,840 Speaker 6: I know that Bill and I will be going to 889 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 6: the service on Monday to pass on our condolences, and 890 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 6: it's been a really difficult time for many people in 891 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,960 Speaker 6: the territory. I mean, home is Alice for Robin and 892 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 6: the family, but right across the territory there's been a big, 893 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,840 Speaker 6: big time of reflection and sadness. 894 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,440 Speaker 3: You know up here at the dar Darwen Cup. I 895 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,920 Speaker 3: know that Robin and the family were all here sharing 896 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 3: in that. 897 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,840 Speaker 6: So I think it's been really particularly quiet in Parliament 898 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 6: this week really noticing and then missing Robin. We might 899 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 6: be completely other sides of the political spectrum, but she's 900 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 6: got a big heart, and I think our thoughts and 901 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,040 Speaker 6: prayers go out to her all. 902 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 4: Heart's broken at the moment. 903 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, we are all thinking of Robin and Craig 904 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 1: and their family. We are going to have to wrap up. 905 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 1: As always, I really appreciate you all joining me in 906 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:51,920 Speaker 1: the studio. 907 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,359 Speaker 2: Bill Yeah, thank you, great to be here again. 908 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: Good to see you. Kesier Puric, thank you as always. 909 00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 4: And if people are interested in high level of questrian, 910 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 4: one of our Olympians, Australian Olympians, Johnson, will be out 911 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,799 Speaker 4: at Friend's past Reserve on Sunday and Mond giddy up 912 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 4: on down and what she's doing. She's she's training and 913 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:16,399 Speaker 4: giving experience to the Northern Territory School question team that's 914 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 4: going that's been selected and she's been brought up to 915 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 4: basically do some coaching and training. So no naysay. So 916 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 4: if you want to want to see some fancy dresses, 917 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 4: giddy up down to friends. 918 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,279 Speaker 1: Chatsy big, thank you so. 919 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 4: Much for your time. 920 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,919 Speaker 6: Absolutely awesome and just to really somebody, I just wanted 921 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 6: some of that red sanaats in Alice Springs. 922 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 3: Absolutely awesome and. 923 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,360 Speaker 6: Different trading in the horsepower and how good is it 924 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,399 Speaker 6: today to have three people here who. 925 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 3: Are from outside of. 926 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 4: Any electric cars, be one or two. 927 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,000 Speaker 6: There's some pretty mean looking machines and when you pop 928 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,400 Speaker 6: it there there's just a big battery. 929 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,760 Speaker 3: So we still love our eight cylinders and the smelling. 930 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,360 Speaker 1: Also not concerns about the petrol prices there this weekend 931 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,880 Speaker 1: or rubber. All right, we better wrap up lovely to 932 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:18,800 Speaker 1: have you all in the studio. 933 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,399 Speaker 4: Thanks so much for you this morning.