1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: For comprehensive political coverage impacting Territorians. The only voice you 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: need is Katie will find three sixty remaining one hundred 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: percent and mix one oh four point nine. 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 2: And well overnight at about two point fifteen this morning, 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 2: actually a group of four apparently broke into Hungry Jacks. 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: Police apprehended an eleven and a thirteen year old and 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 2: they had to be kept in the watchhouse as I 8 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: understand it. Joining us in the studio right now is 9 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: the Opposition leader Lea Finocchiaro. Good morning, Good morning everyone, 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: now Leah eleven and thirteen year olds obviously apprehended after 11 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 2: breaking into Hungry Jacks. Look, some would say a break 12 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 2: into Hungry Jacks isn't a serious crime, and on the 13 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,319 Speaker 2: scale of things, maybe it's not. But when you look 14 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 2: at those ages, it's pretty mortifying. 15 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 3: Oh it's shocking, and I would say, you know, breaking 16 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 3: into Hungry Jackson is absolutely a crime. I mean, you know, 17 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 3: the fact that we're even having this conversation just shows 18 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 3: how normalized breaking enters have become. 19 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 4: I mean, people are just tired of being victims. 20 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 3: They're of waking up every morning and reading the paper 21 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 3: or you know, like Katie It's something you and your 22 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 3: listeners have to talk about all the time because it 23 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 3: is so endemic right across the territory and it's having 24 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 3: a devastating impact on families. I mean, I was just 25 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 3: looking at Facebook. I saw a family being broken into 26 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 3: Their ten year old son saw the people breaking into 27 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 3: the house and raise the alert to the parents. I 28 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 3: mean that I couldn't find it now, but it was 29 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 3: must have been in a suburb in Palmerston. I had 30 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 3: to come up in my feed. But you know this, 31 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 3: it's just devastating. All of the businesses who were broken 32 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 3: into last night New Ones, you know, the night before 33 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 3: that Parchaman Festival, having to relocate events that would ordinarily 34 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 3: be in the mall. It's just like the government has decided, well, 35 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 3: you know, that's just how it is, and is working 36 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 3: our life around the crime, rather than addressing the crime 37 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 3: so that people can live a free life. 38 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: We had the Chief Minister on the show on Monday 39 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: and I've got to say there seemed to be a 40 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 2: bit of a change in the way that he was 41 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 2: speaking about this issue. He did say that he believed that, 42 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: you know, we need to have consequences for young people 43 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: and there needs to be a restitution. So he spoke about, 44 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: you know, cleaning of graffiti and fixing windows and things 45 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: like that. That's something you've spoken about before. I mean, 46 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 2: is that one of the changes we need to have implemented. 47 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 4: It is, but you know the Chief Minister is full 48 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 4: of it. 49 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 3: I mean last year during the election he put out 50 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 3: a press release two pages of a sway of wonderful 51 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 3: measures they were allegedly going to do to address crime. 52 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 3: We had promises of bail reform and boot camps and 53 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 3: all this other stuff and what have they done? 54 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 4: Nothing? 55 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 3: And then now we've had confirmed last week or the 56 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 3: week before by the Chief Minister himself that there will 57 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 3: be no bow reform brought forward next week during Parliament. 58 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 3: There's no clear pathway for what they're going to do 59 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 3: to make any changes. So, you know, talk is cheap 60 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 3: and I've said that so many times. We've been screaming 61 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 3: for community service and those community work orders to be 62 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 3: part of the solution. You know, people need to to 63 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 3: repair the damage they caused to the community and be 64 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: held accountable for their actions. It needs to be something 65 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 3: that's immediate, not months and months after the fact. 66 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 4: And you know, I asked about this. 67 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 3: I'm trying to think either last sittings or it must 68 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 3: have been during estimates about the you know, how many 69 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 3: people had been out, how many youth had been out 70 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 3: doing these community work orders, and I'm pretty sure the 71 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 3: answer was basically zero. So I don't even think they've 72 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 3: established that program yet, Leah. 73 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: One of the one of the big things that's happened 74 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 2: over the last week or so is the Queensland governments 75 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 2: announced a number of measures to try to combat youth crime. Now, yesterday, 76 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: Vera Premier Anastasia Palachet came out and said that they're 77 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: going to trial GPS tracking devices, they're going to give 78 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: police increased powers, they're going to strengthen some of their 79 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: anti hooning laws, and they're going to reverse the presumption 80 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: of bail for serious offenses. Leah, Should we be doing 81 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 2: these things in the Northern Territory. 82 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 3: Absolutely, It's something we've been screaming for for a long time. 83 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 3: Of Course, when the government brought in its changes to 84 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 3: the bat and Youth Justice Acts, we were very very 85 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 3: concerned at that time and we said. 86 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 4: Don't do this. 87 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 3: And you know, everything that's flowed on from that is there. 88 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 3: I think it's astonishing that we can have such a tragic, 89 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 3: tragic death of those people, that family in Queensland and 90 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 3: then have that government within one week get together make 91 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 3: a plan. I believe they're sitting very soon and they're 92 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 3: going to legislate their plans. 93 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:24,559 Speaker 4: Now. 94 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 3: We have had people victimized for years. Of course, we 95 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 3: did have the tragic death of mister Powell and Alice Springs, 96 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 3: and yet the Gunner government is still acting like this 97 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 3: is someone else's problem and somehow going to be fixed magically. 98 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 4: It's not going to be fixed magically. 99 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 3: Action needs to be taken and this week and head 100 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 3: in the stand approach is not good enough, Leah. 101 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 2: One of the things we do have here though, in 102 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 2: the Northern Territory is those GPS tracking devices. As I 103 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 2: understand it, I did ask the Chief Minister on Monday 104 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 2: how many young people have actually had those, like have 105 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 2: actually had where those as part of their court orders. 106 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 2: He didn't have that figure. Did you ask this question 107 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: in the most recent estimates? 108 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 3: Yes, we asked that question and estimates and the answer 109 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 3: came back as there had been one use with GPS 110 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 3: tracking issued for last finance year one one one. 111 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 4: You know, huge issue. 112 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 3: This is a highly effective technology, but I mean the 113 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 3: problem is not even you know, that is a huge problem. 114 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 3: But the next problem with the GPS tracking under this 115 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 3: government is the fact that even if one hundred percent 116 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 3: of use were GPS tracked, territory families are the one 117 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 3: who have that information, not police, and police have to 118 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 3: go and ask territory families for access. 119 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 4: It's just ridiculous. 120 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 2: I Mean, the big question that I've got at the 121 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 2: moment is I just don't know how we all come 122 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: together to try to change this because at the moment, 123 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 2: you know, I know that the government, I think they're 124 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: starting to they are starting. 125 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 4: To hear what Territorians are saying. 126 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: But then you know, with the utmost respect obviously you 127 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 2: guys are then going the government and saying, well, you 128 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 2: should be doing it this way, and we called for this. 129 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: How do we all just get to the point here 130 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 2: where we go, do you know what? I know it's hard, 131 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 2: but we need to put our political alliances aside for 132 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 2: a moment and try to just sort this issue out 133 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 2: for Territorians. 134 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 3: Look one hundred percent, and I understand people feel you know, 135 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 3: they can feel frustrated and me sometimes thinking, oh, you 136 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 3: know she's always going against but what would she do. 137 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,559 Speaker 3: The issue is, as opposition, I can't make anything happen. 138 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 3: The government has to agree with me. We're very happy 139 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 3: to work with the government. We say it often. We 140 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 3: put motions in the Parliament, we put up policy ideas. 141 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 3: It's the government who has to be the one to 142 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 3: implement these changes. So we are very willing to work 143 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 3: with government, to give them our policies, to explain to 144 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 3: them why we think the presumption in favor of BAO 145 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,239 Speaker 3: should be reversed, why we think breach of our conditions 146 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 3: should be brought back, why we think there should be 147 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 3: mandatory community service, why they should be expanded, electronic monitoring 148 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 3: skills training. I mean, we have a long list of 149 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 3: measures that we advocate for. It feels like on a 150 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 3: daily basis, Katie, But ultimately, if the Gunner government are 151 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 3: going to be so arrogant and continue blindly down their 152 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 3: own path, that bipartisanship is not able to happen. 153 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: I mean, you'd have to admit it's difficult, Like we've 154 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 2: got out of Queensland today. Leading youth justice advocates, including 155 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 2: a former Royal Commissioner Mick Gooder, have slammed Queenslands crackdown 156 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 2: on youth crime, warning the knee jerk measures will fail 157 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 2: to reduce rates of offending and instead push children further 158 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: to the margins. 159 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 4: Lea, Are you just playing politics here, Katie? This is 160 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 4: not politics. 161 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 3: This is people's lived experience on a daily basis. And 162 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 3: I think it's fine for people like mister Gooda to 163 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 3: come out and make those comments, but ultimately, people are 164 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 3: suffering every single day. It's not just the emotional cost, 165 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 3: the violation and the stress and distress that comes from 166 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 3: being a victim of crime. It's the financial impact, the 167 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 3: ongoing impact on your life, explaining that to your kids, 168 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 3: supporting your staff, replacing windows, food fridges, you know. 169 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 4: You name it. 170 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 3: It's an assault on the sensors for the rest of 171 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 3: your life. And that's something that isn't talked about enough. 172 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 3: The impact on victims just seems to be forgotten, and 173 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 3: it's not good enough. 174 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 4: It's not forgotten by us. 175 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:33,359 Speaker 3: We believe in a victim's first approach, and it's devastating 176 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 3: and disappointing that eleven year olds are out committing such terrible, 177 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 3: terrible crimes. But ultimately, if they do that, they have 178 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 3: to be dealt with appropriately. It's not okay to continue 179 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 3: to let an eleven year old break into people's homes 180 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 3: just because they're eleven. 181 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 4: Leah, what will you be doing. 182 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 2: In parliament about this next week? Because I feel as 183 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: though we've really reached the point end tire. I mean 184 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 2: a little bit later this morning, we're going to be 185 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: chatting with Exotic North Indian Cuisine and Culumbai they will 186 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: broken into at two o'clock this morning. Also Yogi's Way 187 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: on we Australia Street and Stuart Park who were broken 188 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 2: into at four o'clock this morning. I know that some 189 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: of these instances are different types of crime. You know, 190 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 2: in this case, we may be talking more so about 191 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, but we may be talking 192 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 2: more so about people who are trying to get their 193 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 2: hands on alcohol, for sure. So they're obviously quite different 194 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 2: in the way in which we deal with them. 195 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 4: But the community is. 196 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 2: Screaming out at the moment, and I think we've just 197 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 2: reached the point where something has to change. 198 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 4: What are you going to do in parliament next week? 199 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 2: I know you're in opposition, but how can you make 200 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: sure the voices of the community that you're hearing heard. 201 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 3: I heard absolutely. So we've got two weeks of sitting, 202 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 3: so it will be an excellent opportunity for us to 203 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 3: put the position of Territorians forward on the crime issue. 204 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 3: Of course, we'll use question time extensively to ask a 205 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 3: lot of detail around crime, around numbers, around you know, 206 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 3: the success of different measures that government is undertaking. During 207 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 3: our very small time in the Parliament where we get 208 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 3: to run issues, we will run strong motions around crime 209 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 3: and what needs to be done, and equally on the economy. 210 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 3: I mean that's a huge issue too. But crime really 211 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 3: is front and center of people's mind. It has been 212 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 3: for a very very long time, and we will use 213 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 3: every opportunity in the Parliament to put the pressure on 214 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 3: government to start to look at what it's doing, to 215 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 3: stop being so arrogant, to get its head out of 216 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 3: the stand and start talking to people. I mean, just 217 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 3: even if the Chief Minister just went to Alice Springs 218 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 3: and spoke to people, that would be a win because 219 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 3: then he would see for himself the pain that is 220 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 3: being inflicted. And so unfortunately we have to drag the 221 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 3: Gunner government kicking and screaming to this table. But it's 222 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 3: got to happen, and the government have got to realize 223 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 3: it cannot continue like this, Lea, just very quickly. 224 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 2: I've actually got a message here from the Mad Hatters 225 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 2: team and they would like to thank you and your 226 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 2: team for the genuine concerns over the break ins, more 227 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 2: importantly actually coming in to see us and talk to 228 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 2: the victims, keep up the pressure. They've said, Ah, thanks guys, 229 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 2: you do a great job. And you know that's a small, 230 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 2: family owned and operated business, you know, Mum and Dad 231 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 2: said it all up. The girls are in their working 232 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 2: really hard and doing a great job. Plus the people 233 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 2: they employ and the people they feed and you know, 234 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 2: chat to every day, and you know, the community pulled 235 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 2: them back out of the brink, you know, and that's 236 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 2: a wonderful, wonderful thing. 237 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 4: But it shouldn't have to happen, you know. 238 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 3: And we're seeing people barricade their businesses, invest more in 239 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 3: security measures than we've ever seen before because they're desperate 240 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 3: to do something. But ultimately, a government's first responsibility is 241 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 3: the safety of its citizens, and the Gunner government's failing. 242 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: Leah, there's one here it says there shouldn't be any 243 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 2: presumption of bail. It should be determined on a case 244 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: by case basis, and only granted if truly deserved that 245 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 2: one from Darren. 246 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 4: Do you agree with that sentiment. 247 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't think that if you're a repeat offender 248 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 3: you should have a presumption in favor of bail. 249 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 4: It's just ridiculous. 250 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 3: We really think there needs to be a lot of 251 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 3: work done to clamp down on repeat offending. 252 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 2: You know, what would you deem as a repeat offender 253 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 2: someone who's who's committed a crime more than twice? 254 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, basically if you've done it repeatedly, you know, like 255 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 3: one time, Okay, you know, let's try and you know, 256 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 3: work out what went wrong there. 257 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 4: Twice? 258 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 3: I mean maybe twice, but come on, you know, after 259 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 3: that it's becomes a joke. So, but that's why it's 260 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 3: important that you've got all the measures in place. You know, 261 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 3: you need to have those true alternatives to sentencing, those options, 262 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 3: so you know, immediately right you're out go scrub that graffiti, 263 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 3: let's sit down and have a chat about why this 264 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 3: is not the right path for you and how we 265 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 3: can support you to get back on track, you know, 266 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 3: and then after that a scalable model of consequences. 267 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,599 Speaker 4: But you know, the Gunn of government just keep to it. 268 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 3: You know, they're talking about boot camps and they're talking 269 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 3: about all this stuff, which is all just smoke and mirrors. 270 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 3: We know through estimates that there are boot camps, but 271 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 3: youth are not being sentenced to them. 272 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 4: They're not offending youth. 273 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 2: It's so recent not being sentenced to these boot camps. 274 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 2: From your perspective, that's obviously through the core process, isn't it. No. 275 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 3: I think it's the it's the way that government has 276 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 3: established it. So and I use the word boot camp 277 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 3: loosely because the Territory Families Minister could not bring herself 278 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 3: to call them a boot camp. They're a youth camp 279 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 3: or some other thing. The Chief Minister likes to call 280 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 3: them boot camps for obvious political reasons. But therefore disengage 281 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 3: youth or youth at risk as opposed to youth who 282 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 3: have committed a crime and are being sentenced to a 283 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 3: boot camp as opposed to a detention facility. So there's 284 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 3: a very stark distinction there that the Gunner government don't 285 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 3: like to talk about. 286 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 2: Leaf and Okio, we are going to have to leave 287 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 2: it there. Appreciate your time, Will we see you. 288 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 4: Friday, Yes, I think so. 289 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: At it warm, we 290 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 2: Will, We'll see it Friday for the week that wants 291 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 2: thank you.