1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: ohs oh, now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Friday, 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 2: the eleventh of October. 5 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: I'm Zara, I'm Sam. 6 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 3: There's a new. 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 2: Netflix show that everyone is talking about. It's called Monsters 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: and it's based on the true story of the Menendez brothers, 9 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: who were found guilty of murder in nineteen ninety six. 10 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 2: Over two decades later, US authorities have now announced they'll 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: review new evidence in the case. In today's deep dive, 12 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: we're going to explore the case that's got everyone talking 13 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: and what could happen now that the LA District Attorney 14 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: is considering new evidence before we explain everything you need 15 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: to know. 16 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 3: Sam. What's making headlines. 17 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: Hurricane Milton has made landfall in Florida. At the time 18 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: of recording, flash flood emergency warnings remain across large parts 19 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: of the stage, while more than two point two million 20 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: households in the stage have reported being without power. Early 21 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: this week, President Joe Biden declared an emergency in Florida 22 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: and instructed residents to quote listen to local officials, and 23 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: follow safety instructions. He warned Milton could be one of 24 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: the worst storms in over one hundred years. 25 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 2: The New South Wales and South Australian governments have convened 26 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: a joint social media summit, taking place over two days 27 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 2: and across both states. The summits aimed at addressing the 28 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 2: challenges that young people face online, including the impact of 29 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 2: social media on the spread of miss and disinformation, as 30 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 2: well as tackling online hate and extremism. It comes after 31 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: the South Australian government announced plans earlier this year a 32 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: bound social media use for children under the age of fourteen. 33 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: Following that announcement, the federal government also committed to introducing 34 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 2: new legislation to enforce a minimum age for access to 35 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: social media by the end of this year. 36 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: A Senate committee has recommended the government's bill to limit 37 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: international student's numbers be passed in parliament. In August, Education 38 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: Minister Jason Clair announced plans to cap international student enrollments 39 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: at two hundred and seventy thousand a year as part 40 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: of a broader effort to reduce the rate of migration. 41 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: The committee, chaired by Labour Senator Tony Sheldon, recommended the 42 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: bill to be passed, but to be amended to exclude 43 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: the ability for the Minister to set limits on individual courses. 44 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: The Greens issued a dissenting report, which means they disagreed 45 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: with the recommendation. The legislation will now need to be 46 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 1: passed through Parliament before it becomes law. 47 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 2: And today's good news, Jessica Campbell has officially become the 48 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 2: first full time female assistant coach in the National Hockey League. 49 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 2: A former Canadian international player, Campbell has been involved in 50 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 2: coaching since twenty seventeen and was appointed to the NHL 51 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: earlier this year. She said, for me, it's just a 52 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 2: normal day, but she also acknowledged I'm going to try 53 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: to really honor what it is because I know that 54 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: the magnitude and the importance of this moment is really 55 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: important for our game. So, Sam, have you watched Monsters 56 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: on Netflix? 57 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: Well, I'm about eighty percent of the way through, and 58 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: the reason you're ahead of me, right, But I think 59 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: the reason that both of us are watching it is 60 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: because it's just been talked about so much. 61 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 3: Everyone is talking about. 62 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: It, and that's why I was excited when you said 63 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: we're going to do this for today's episode, because I 64 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: do think that it's going to help people who perhaps 65 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: haven't watched it catch up on what's been happening. And 66 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: I thought that was important to say, because you don't 67 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: have to tune out right now if you haven't watched it. 68 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to explain what's going on. 69 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: And even you know, I'm only one episode deep. I 70 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: just keep not finding the time to watch it. But 71 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 2: I must admit I knew very little about this case 72 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: before this show, like very little. I don't know that 73 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 2: I've ever had a conversation about it in my life. 74 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: Well, I don't think you're alone in that. 75 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 3: And I was not born when they were convicted. 76 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: That's an important factor. Yeah, but you can tell from 77 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: I've seen some interesting articles about how many times the 78 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: Menendez brothers were googled and that kind of stuff. I mean, 79 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: the attention on this case has been greatly heightened because 80 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: of the fact that they're on the streaming service. 81 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 2: So okay, well, we're getting a bit carried away before 82 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 2: we've even explained. So why don't I just start with 83 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: a bit of an explainer as to what we're actually 84 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: talking about. 85 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: So the pretend I haven't watched it. 86 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 2: Okay, So I'll give you a bit of background into 87 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: the Menendez brothers and this case. So Lyle and Eric 88 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: Menendez grew up surrounded by wealth and by privilege. And 89 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: I know that that's a strange point to start with, 90 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 2: but it's important to keep in mind as we keep 91 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 2: talking about this case. They lived with their father, Jose Menendez, 92 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 2: who was a successful entertainment executive, and with their mother, 93 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: Mary Louise Anderson, who was known at the time as Kitty. 94 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: When the boys were teenagers, the family relocated to Beverly 95 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:55,679 Speaker 2: Hills in California, where Eric was a nationally ranked tennis 96 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: player and Lyle was very academic. He attended Princeton, which 97 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 2: which is of course a prestigious university on the US 98 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 2: East Coast. Now, close to midnight on the twentieth of 99 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: August nineteen eighty nine, police received a call from twenty 100 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 2: one year old Lyle who said that he and his 101 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: then eighteen year old brother Eric had returned home to 102 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: find their parents dead in the living room. 103 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: What's the problem? 104 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: What the people are The brothers told police that they 105 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 2: had spent the evening at a movie theater and at 106 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 2: a food festival in Santa Monica, and initially police was 107 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 2: suspecting that the mafia might have been behind the murders 108 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: of the Menendez brother's parents. 109 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: Which was of course a suggestion by the brothers to 110 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: police that they should look into the mafia. When did 111 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: the police start looking into the suns? 112 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, as I said, they initially weren't actually viewed 113 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 2: as suspects by police, But then authorities begun to get 114 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 2: a bit suspicion when the pair went on a spending 115 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 2: spree in the months following their parents' murders. They spent 116 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: seven hundred thousand dollars on real estate, on Rolex watches, 117 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 2: on sports cars, tennis coaches, and even a restaurant on 118 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: the Princeton campus. And remember when I said at the 119 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 2: beginning that they had been surrounded by this wealth that 120 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 2: goes into this part of the story. It all came 121 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 2: to a head in March of nineteen ninety when the 122 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: brothers were eventually arrested after a woman who had a 123 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 2: sexual relationship with their psychologist informed authorities that they had 124 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 2: confessed to killing their parents during a recorded therapy session. 125 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 3: There is a lot there. 126 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: There is a lot there. It is and I don't 127 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: want this to come across the wrong way, but you 128 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: can understand why someone would make a TV show about it. 129 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: It is so. 130 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 2: Dramatic completely, And this chapter of the story end with 131 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: the brothers confessing to entering their home with guns and 132 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: firing multiple shots at close range, killing their parents. 133 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: So they get arrested and they confess to the double 134 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: murder of their parents. They then go to trial. Tell 135 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: me a little bit about the trial. 136 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's actually trials plural. 137 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: So in the first instance, both of these brothers were 138 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 2: tried in separate trials, So that began in nineteen ninety three, 139 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 2: and both of the brothers testified that they had killed 140 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: their parents in an act of self defense, which is 141 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: a full defense that can lead to an acquittal if 142 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: you know, that holds up in a court. They cited 143 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 2: years of sexual, emotional, and physical abuse from their father. 144 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 2: They also claimed that their mother was aware of the abuse, 145 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 2: but that she chose to ignore it. And it was 146 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: Eric in particular who alleged that he'd been sexually abused 147 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 2: by his father since he was six years old. 148 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: Can I just make one point there, you said the 149 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: self defense of emotional abuse, to put that into perspective. 150 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: On the other end of the scale, they were facing 151 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: the death penalty. So we're talking about a long range 152 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: of potential consequences or outcomes. 153 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so if that was the defense that these 154 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: brothers had. On the flip side, we had the prosecution 155 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 2: who really nailed into that spending spree that I mentioned earlier, 156 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: saying that, well, the argument at least then was that 157 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: the brothers killed their parents out of greed that they 158 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 2: wanted to inherit the millions and millions that their parents had, 159 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 2: which today is around thirty six million US dollars. And 160 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 2: so they were suggesting that this was something about money, 161 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 2: that they killed their parents wanting the money that would 162 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 2: come next. In terms of the outcome of that case, 163 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 2: each brother was assigned a separate jury, but neither of 164 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 2: those juries reached a consensus. And so when a jury 165 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 2: can't reach a consensus, then there is a retrial that 166 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 2: is ordered. 167 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: You start the whole thing again with a new pool 168 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: of jurors. 169 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: Which blows my mind. I remember learning about that at school. 170 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 2: And so then we headed into retrial's territory, and that 171 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 2: was in nineteen ninety six, and in that case, we 172 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 2: had had the brothers tried in a single trial with 173 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 2: a single jury, and the judge at the time said 174 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 2: that the advantages of a single trial greatly outweigh the 175 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 2: potential prejudice. 176 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: You have to remember this was six years after their arrest, 177 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: so there's also a little bit of pressure at this 178 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: point on the justice system to reach a verdict here. 179 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so in that retrial, the really important thing 180 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 2: here is that the judge refused to admit much of 181 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 2: the evidence about the alleged abuse, and so it had 182 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 2: quite a different nature to it this retrial. And in 183 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: the retrial, the end result was that each brother was 184 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 2: convicted of two counts of first degree murder and conspiracy 185 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 2: to commit murder. They were both sentenced to life in 186 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 2: prison without the possibility of parole. 187 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: There's so much in this case, and what is striking 188 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: about it is that there is no discussion here about 189 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,239 Speaker 1: whether they killed their parents or not. There is unequivocal 190 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: evidence that they did plan to kill and killed their parents. 191 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: The question here is a about all the other factors. 192 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: Fast forward to today and the brothers are in prison, 193 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: they're serving life sentences. We're talking about it on the 194 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: podcast because now there's been a Netflix series made about them, 195 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: but it's taken a whole real life turn. Yeah, talk 196 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: to me about the actual case in twenty twenty four. 197 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, So last week the La County District Attorney's office 198 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 2: announced it would review possible new evidence in the case, 199 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 2: and according to the DA's office, the review will center 200 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 2: around a letter that was written by Eric, which his 201 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 2: lawyers say corroborates allegations of sexual abuse by his father. 202 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 2: And remember I mentioned that during that retrial in the nineties, 203 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 2: the brother's self defense argument was largely dismissed, so this 204 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 2: could be a real game changer. Prosecutors at that time 205 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 2: argued there was no credible evidence that Jose Mendez had 206 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 2: sexually abused his children. But now there's this letter, and 207 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 2: so earlier this month were the district attorneys say that 208 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 2: the alleged abuse would have been treated with greater sensitivity 209 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 2: by prosecutors and the court had the case been presented today, 210 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 2: which I think is probably a fair assumption given how 211 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: far we've kind of moved in these sorts of public discussions. 212 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 2: But the big thing here is that reopening the case 213 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 2: and you know, presenting this new evidence could see the brothers, 214 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: who are now fifty three and fifty six, respectively release you. 215 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 2: On one end, or at least handed a reduced sentence 216 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: if that is admitted. The DA has said his office 217 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 2: is evaluating all of the evidence ahead of a hearing 218 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 2: next month, and that is scheduled for November twenty nine, 219 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 2: so just over a month away. He said, we have 220 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 2: not decided on an outcome. We are reviewing information, so just. 221 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: Not a done deal, right, So, just to recap, this 222 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: is not the DA saying there's going to be a 223 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: retrail on November twenty nine. This is a hearing to 224 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: decide whether there's enough new evidence, or at least whether 225 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: there's enough updated understanding of the evidence that was presented 226 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 1: at the time and thrown out to entertain a retrial. Realistically, 227 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: that would probably happen then next year. Yeah, this is 228 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: all happening in lifetime, as at least you and I. 229 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: But I think a lot of us either mid watching 230 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: or I have just finished this Netflix show. Did the 231 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: DA in his press conference refer to this phenomenon. 232 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 3: He did. 233 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 2: He said that his office had received an influx of 234 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 2: calls following the release of the show, but I think 235 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: we've got to be careful here. He didn't make any 236 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 2: claim that there was a direct correlation or that you know, 237 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 2: something had been shown in that show that they didn't 238 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 2: know before. But of course, when there is so much 239 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 2: attention on something, there might be a greater urge to 240 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 2: perhaps revisit things. But I do want to just zero 241 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 2: in on the show for a second, because it's been massive, 242 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 2: as we've said, you know, there was it was viewed 243 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 2: nineteen point five million times last week, and everyone's talking 244 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: about it. 245 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: But I want to talk. 246 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 2: About the way that the Menendez brothers have responded to 247 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 2: this show, because it's about them. It's about their lives 248 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 2: and the actions that they have taken in their lives. 249 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 3: Safe to say, they. 250 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 2: Are not fans of this show, so it's been really, 251 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 2: really heavily criticized by them. I'm going to read part 252 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 2: of a statement from Eric about the show. He said, 253 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 2: it's sad for me to know that Netflix's dishonest portrayal 254 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 2: of tragedies surrounding our crime have taken the painful truths 255 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 2: several steps backward back through time to an era when 256 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 2: the prosecution built a narrative on a belief system that 257 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 2: males were not sexually abused and that males experienced rape 258 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 2: trauma differently than women. He said, that the show was 259 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 2: rampant with blatant lies and so really clear criticism there 260 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 2: from one of the central characters of this show. On 261 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 2: the other side of it, though, and of course we 262 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 2: need to hear the defense to some claims, like that 263 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 2: we have the creator or a co creator of the show, 264 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 2: Ryan Murphy, who's created every show under the sun. 265 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 1: He's behind Glee, the Jeffrey Dahmer mini series which a 266 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: lot of us watched earlier this year. 267 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, so he has defended, of course, his show, and 268 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 2: he's accused the Brothers of faux outrage. He went on 269 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 2: to say, I know for a fact that many people 270 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 2: have offered to help them because of the interest in 271 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 2: the show, and he said, we have an obligation to 272 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 2: so many people, not just to Eric and Lyle. I 273 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 2: also think that two things can be true. They could 274 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,599 Speaker 2: have killed their parents and also had been abused. 275 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: There's a couple of interesting points that have happened only 276 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: in the last couple of days. I've seen the trailer 277 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: for a documentary whether two men are going to portray 278 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: their side of the story. The other big turning point 279 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: in the last week, I think has been this opinion 280 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: piece by Kim Kardashian, and she wrote a piece for 281 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: NBC News saying, I have visited the Menendez brothers many 282 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: times in prison. They are good, honest men, and I 283 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: want to help with their defense. 284 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 3: It's always a quirk of Kim Kardashian. 285 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 2: She has been a very loud advocate for many people 286 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 2: who are behind bars who she believes were, you know, 287 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 2: victims of wrongdoing or an unjust court system, and so 288 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 2: her intervention here cannot be underestimated. 289 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: It's a really fascinating story, and we're going to see 290 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: what happens next month with is hearing where the court 291 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: will consider this new evidence. Before we finish up, I 292 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: do just want to remind everybody that there is always 293 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: help available. The number for Kids Helpline is one eight 294 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: hundred five five one eight hundred and as always one 295 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: out hundred, respect can be reached by anyone on one 296 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: eight hundred seventy three seven seven three two. Zara, thanks 297 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: for explaining, and we'll talk again tomorrow for Saturday's Good 298 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: News Pod. My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a 299 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: proud Arunda Bunjelung Calcotin woman from Gadighl Country. 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