1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Well, as I just mentioned, we have extensively covered on 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: this show various issues that we've experienced when it comes 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: to crime and anti social behavior. One of those locations 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: that has previously really struggled with some of that crime 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: and anti social behavior has been Casuarina Square. But according 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 1: to the owners Sentinel Property Group, the latest figures for 7 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: Casarina Square show there's been a ninety percent decline in 8 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: anti social behavior from May twenty twenty four to now. 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: Now joining us on the show is the CEO of 10 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: Sentinel Property Group, Warren Eerbers. Good morning to you, Warren. 11 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: Let's try that again. I think we're on the wrong 12 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: line there, have I've got you. 13 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: Now, Warren, Yes, you've got me. Thanks Katie, good morning. 14 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: To you now. Warren tell us, a ninety percent decline 15 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: sounds astronomical. Can you talk us through these numbers and 16 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: what kind of incidents you're talking about seeing a decline. 17 00:00:55,120 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 2: In Katie, it's across the board. So I've got some 18 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: some facts and figures that I'll give to people, because 19 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: what none of the reasons I'm happy to be on 20 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: your show is, you know, with newspapers, not radio. But 21 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: if it leads it leads. If it's bad, if it's 22 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 2: a bad story, you get headlines. But I think people 23 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: need to know that the things really have turned around 24 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: in the Northern Territory. And you know, we have eight 25 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 2: point four million visitors a year out of one hundred 26 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 2: and forty people, So you know, our focus is really 27 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 2: getting Casarina Square so it's it's safe, it's enjoyable, and 28 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 2: if Casinea Square isn't safe and enjoyable, we're not going 29 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 2: to get people come to Northern Territory. So we've had 30 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: a forty seven percent decrease in daily incidents from March 31 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: to April, it's been a ninety percent increase in daily 32 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 2: incidents compared to May twenty four. Month and month ninety percent. 33 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: We've had now only thirteen percent of all incidents are 34 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: youth related. We're a year ago it was fifty percent. 35 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 2: So that's some of those measures that the new government 36 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: has put in it and particularly arresting the ring leaders 37 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: that the US are a little bit more directionless, so 38 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: we're just not getting the trouble. Also, we have seven 39 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: hundred people which are currently trespassed, so we have three 40 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 2: hundred and twenty CCTVs around the place. We have two 41 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 2: full time people monitoring for screens, and if we see 42 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 2: one of those people that have been banned from the center, 43 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: we march them out and ninety six percent of interactions 44 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: in our result by issuing a warning and escorting off 45 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 2: the property. We only had required police two times in April. 46 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: So massive changes. 47 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it sounds like there's been a big change. 48 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: I mean, when you look at the number of incidents 49 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: that you're still having per day, I'm assuming that there 50 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: are still some incidents happening, but it's obviously not to 51 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: the degree that it once was. 52 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: We certainly have having incidents, but it is nothing like 53 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 2: what it was. It was not enjoyable for anyone. And 54 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: we're still spending two point four million a year on security. 55 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: So we've had a new security group in Neptune, which 56 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,839 Speaker 2: a lot of people would know who I wouldn't say 57 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: the heavy handed, but they take a firm stance where 58 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 2: some of the others are hands off and the news 59 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: would just laugh at them. Where they can't laugh at Neptune. 60 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: You know. 61 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: They make sure they abide by the law, but they 62 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,839 Speaker 2: won't cop any rubbish. And our focus is to make 63 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: it safe and enjoyable. For families and we don't care 64 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: whose they are, but they should be able to even 65 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: if you just want to come there, have a coffee 66 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: and read a book. You shouldn't be getting harassed now. Also, 67 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 2: we're finding out from the retailers that the thefts are 68 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 2: at an all time low, so it's right across the board. 69 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: And some of the increase in turn over that we've seen. 70 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: There were figures out I think last year earlier this year, 71 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 2: and the population of Darwin was three thousand people less 72 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four compared to twenty fourteen. Now, if 73 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 2: you've had three thousand people leave, there's a lot of 74 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: other people are thinking about it. So if you're thinking 75 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 2: about leaving, you're not buying furniture, you're not buying more clothes. 76 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 2: You're just you're buy your graces and that's it. You're 77 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: not going to buy more things that you have to shift. 78 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: So worried what we've seen. 79 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, when you talk, I mean when you talk about 80 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: the changes that you're seeing, and when you talk about 81 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: this to Cline, what are you attributed to Do you 82 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: think that it is the fact that you've you know, 83 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: you've changed security or what do you think has really 84 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: seen this big. 85 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: Change, Kayden. It's the one percentage. It's like a top 86 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: football team. You just can't have the best players. You've 87 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: got to have them working together. You've got to have 88 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: your diets right, You've got your training right. Now. The 89 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: government has put in significant changes. As a center, we 90 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: can only look after our center, and there's so much 91 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 2: we can do. But what we've had now, two weeks 92 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 2: ago we closed the BWS. We'll BWS closed with our encouragement. Now, 93 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 2: we thought we then may get a lot of a 94 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 2: lot more trouble down at liquor Land with some of 95 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 2: the trouble makers. So the police sent another four police 96 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: out of the center and there was two man of 97 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 2: the police in the car park. Now we didn't have 98 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 2: any extra trouble, but we're finding that the police are 99 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 2: more proactive where there's always been police there. I was 100 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: there two days ago, only got home last night and 101 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 2: there was four police walking together through the center. Well, 102 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 2: I think that sunds a pretty strong message to the 103 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: bad element. One police person only do so much, but 104 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 2: you've got four in what would be pretty brave. 105 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: Well, you really can't beat that. I mean, the thing 106 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: is police on the beach has such a huge impact 107 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: no matter where it is. 108 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 2: It's certainly the visibility. So it's working with the governments. 109 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 2: As I say, we've our current security people, make sure 110 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: they have training. You know, we slab the dogs downstairs 111 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 2: and you know, and ideally we'd have absolutely no security 112 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 2: because it would save us two point four million dollars 113 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 2: a year. Now we shifted the taxi rank from out 114 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 2: the rear near the quarter to out the front. Now 115 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: that cost us half a million dollars. Well, what that 116 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: has done, it's resulting in one of those the food 117 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 2: retailers out the back, it turnover being up seventy three 118 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: percent year on you. 119 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: Now, what about when you look what about when you 120 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: look at things like the no school, no service policy. 121 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it does sound as though you've got a 122 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: lot of different things happening all at once to try 123 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: and minimize these issues. 124 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 2: We certainly have that, and we have the signage, and 125 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:52,799 Speaker 2: we really encourage our retailers to have no schirl, no service. 126 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 2: But in addition that you have I think they call 127 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 2: them the truant officers walking around with the uniforms on, 128 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 2: you know, and if the children aren't school, the parents 129 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 2: are getting fined three hundred and seventy dollars. So you know, 130 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: I don't think that the government is doing particular favors 131 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: for us. I think it's everywhere. But when everywhere and 132 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,239 Speaker 2: wo when the child comes to casar in a square 133 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 2: five one times a month, that's where most of the 134 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: people are. So I think it's deserve that we have 135 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: more there. But you have to work together with the 136 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: government and then it's going fantastic. 137 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, Now tell me. I mean when you look at 138 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: the incidents that you do still have happening, or when 139 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: you look at the volume that you used to have 140 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: happening as well, how does it compare to other centers 141 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: that Sentinel owns around Australia. 142 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: Katie in Queensland, you spend on average sixty seven dollars 143 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 2: per square meter per anum on security in darw w 144 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 2: and it's forty two just spending seven times this month. 145 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: Now you know what that does is adds to the 146 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 2: cost of running a center. It's punishing for everyone. You know, 147 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: we've seen a massive turnaround. I think the way we're 148 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 2: going next year we'll be able to cut that back. 149 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 2: But you know, we've had a massive reduction. But you've 150 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: got to stay focused on it. You just can't cut back. 151 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: So I would have thought in twelve months time that 152 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: when the contract comes up for review we will certainly 153 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 2: be cutting it back. And I think with the amount 154 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 2: of CCTV and you have that manned and you know, 155 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 2: our center is six hectares under roof. And one of 156 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 2: the other things we've done is the loading base. We've 157 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 2: closing some of them now at lunch time, so there's 158 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 2: not as many places for the louts to come in 159 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: in and out of it. Catie, you might remember a 160 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: couple of years ago at the start of the school 161 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: year we had massive skill groups coming in just running 162 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 2: right with the post and boast and when the Great 163 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: Polly Lamon who unfortunately left to just move on to 164 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 2: bigger and better things. And I hope she's listening this morning, 165 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 2: no doubt, no doubts she's because she doesn't work as 166 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 2: hard in a new job. With that that that's another story. 167 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 2: So we actually had to be in some of the 168 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 2: quite a number of schools. Yeah, and then we let 169 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 2: them back in a few weeks. I don't have the 170 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 2: same problem this year, not one that's good. One incident. 171 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 2: So it is while we're spending all the money. You know, 172 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:17,599 Speaker 2: when you do a contract, you have that for a 173 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 2: few years. But it is really heading the right way. 174 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 2: And we had our senior retail manager, Murray Scandon up 175 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: there all week and he went and spoke to a 176 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 2: number of retailers or a lot of retail we are 177 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 2: over two hundred, and every one of them commented on 178 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 2: how much better it's getting out. It's heading the right way. 179 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 1: Warren. We are fast running out of time, but I 180 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: want to ask you. We've now learned that the youth 181 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: Hub is going to be built at the Leana water Park. 182 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: You were quite critical of the government for not choosing 183 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: a location last time you were on the show. What 184 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: do you think of this location decision. 185 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 2: I can't say it's shit out on radio? Can I? 186 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 1: You just did and we don't mind. 187 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Katie. I don't live up so I don't 188 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 2: know if it is the right thing. It very well 189 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 2: could be, But what I was concerned with was the consultation. 190 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 2: Now they don't have to talk to us, but given 191 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 2: that we get eight point four million visitors, you know, 192 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: I thought it might have it may have been appropriate, 193 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 2: but given how massive reduction in crime, and a big 194 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 2: part with the youths is that the police have locked 195 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 2: up the ring leaders and with the government's change in 196 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 2: legislation with buyer laws, they're keeping them locked up. So 197 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 2: you have a lot, a lot of younger people who 198 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 2: probably are a bit directionless. So if we could put 199 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 2: them in the direction of doing good things, and as 200 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 2: I've said repeatedly, if we had something near Casina Square, 201 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 2: we would do everything we could to support it with 202 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 2: food and training, and you know, there'd be a lot 203 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 2: of kids if they've given the opportunity. Would you like 204 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 2: to work in a shop, you know, would you like 205 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: to learn how to be a security officer? 206 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: Yeah? 207 00:10:55,320 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. If it's a couple hundred meters from casinu Quare, 208 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 2: we can do that. So I had a little bit 209 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: of time with Minister Jensen Charles yesterday and I think 210 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 2: they may be looking at a at some other options. 211 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 2: But we're keen to work for the government now. I 212 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 2: know to be too critical because they've done such a 213 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: sensational job on reducing crime, and we'll do whatever we 214 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 2: can to work with them. But I just want the 215 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 2: best result, and I suppose I one thing I was 216 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 2: a little bit. Now I questioned the Labor government had 217 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 2: five million dollars to go to Casarina. Now I've seen 218 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 2: the budget papers that is there for everyone. They've allocated 219 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 2: four point six million to go to this other location. Now, 220 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 2: I don't know if the Feds the sillet him and 221 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 2: five million, but I just don't think well territory government 222 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 2: can all walk away from five Melbourne. 223 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: Anyway, We'll we'll try and talk more about that. We 224 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: might try and get Luke Gosling. I think we are 225 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: getting Luke Gosling, the Federal member on the show on Monday, 226 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: so we'll talk further about it. Warren, we are going 227 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: to have to leave it there, though, always good to 228 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: catch up with you. Thank you very much for your 229 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: time this morning. 230 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 2: Thanks Katie for the talking scene. 231 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. That is Warren Ebbittt there, who 232 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: is indeed the see of Sentinel Property group that own 233 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: Casuarina Square. Really interesting. I think to hear from Casurina 234 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: Square that they've obviously seen some really positive changes when 235 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: it comes to the issues of crime and anti social 236 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: behavior at Casuarina Square. Keen to hear from you this morning. 237 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: Have you felt the difference when you're there,