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Speaker 1: Well, you have heard from the Health Minister, Natasha Files

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Speaker 1: Now joining me in the studio is the leader of

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Speaker 1: the opposition, Leah Fanokii. Oh, good morning to you, Good morning, Katie,

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Speaker 1: and to your listeners. Now Leah, firstley, what were your

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Speaker 1: thoughts following on from those changes out at Howard Springs

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Speaker 1: that were announced over the weekend that we're now well

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Speaker 1: not going to allow interstate visitors or interstatus to stay

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Speaker 1: there if they're on their way, let's say, to work

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Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly big news, big decision from the government and

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Speaker 2: a big change to what everyone's used to. Given the

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Speaker 2: nature of it, we've requested a briefing from both the

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Speaker 2: federal Health Minister and of course the territory Health Minister,

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Speaker 2: so my colleague Bill Yen will be getting that information

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Speaker 2: for the team so that we can better understand it ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Now, have you had discussions at this point with your

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Speaker 2: You're still sort of waiting for We're still waiting for

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Speaker 2: that information to come through, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So have you actually spoken to your federal counterparts

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Speaker 2: Yet my understanding is no, but I know that will

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Speaker 1: Okay. Now, we do know that data has been gained

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Speaker 1: by the Northern Territory News and it's actually revealed that

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Speaker 1: as of June thirty, there were one eight hundred and

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon that this is maybe the real reason

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Speaker 1: that the government's changed the eligibility for people to stay

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Speaker 2: I mean, certainly those numbers are really really startling. You know,

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Speaker 2: if people are utilizing a facility, you've got to pay

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Speaker 2: your own way. That's always been very very clear. I

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Speaker 1: Now we know that yesterday fifteen people were actually refused

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Speaker 1: I mean, what are your thoughts on this? Do you

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Speaker 1: do you think that it's reasonable.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, until we have all of the information, I

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Speaker 2: you know, the government's the governments had to make it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we'll keep on to it. We know that

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Speaker 1: We know that the Ikak report into the dar and

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Speaker 2: Without question, Katie. Today marks the first opportunity for the

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Speaker 2: Parliament to scrutinize the Gunner government on giving away twelve

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Speaker 1: Look, I do want to talk about that code yellow

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's backpedaled a bit, but he hasn't ruled it

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Speaker 2: most people don't think Michael Gunner should be the chief minister,

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Speaker 2: that's for sure, Katie, And I think giving Michael Gunner

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Speaker 2: They are good people volunteering their time, running you know,

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Speaker 2: And for Michael to be able to wake up one

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Speaker 2: he's walked it back, but he needs to rule it

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Speaker 1: Okay, I guess we will see more on this throughout

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Speaker 2: We did, and we're expecting those back on Wednesday or Thursday.

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Speaker 1: I'll be very interested to see what they come back with.

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Speaker 1: Clear just on the Code yellow, we know that it

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Speaker 2: Well, and they're good questions that we don't know that

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Speaker 2: we are certainly going to get to the bottom of. Ultimately,

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Speaker 2: this is the second time this year that Royal Darwin

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Speaker 2: Hospital has been in Code yellow. We're hearing from staff

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Speaker 2: The staff there just seemed extraordinarily busy. I mean, just

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Speaker 1: We also know though Palmerston Hospital last week we had

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Speaker 1: So you know, when you take that into account, you

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Speaker 2: More broadly, absolutely, and what about all those people whose

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Speaker 1: Lea. We are going to have to get ready to

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Speaker 2: I mean, of course we've got the thirty five five

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Speaker 2: big questions for Kate Warden around who signed off on

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Speaker 2: Of course, victimization rates across the territory are very very high.

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Speaker 2: whatever that situation might be. And of course that elderly gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: really worried this person's going to come back, and now look.

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Speaker 1: You it is just devastating. It is really devastating. How

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Speaker 2: I mean, the impact on victims is so profound, and

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Speaker 2: I think they just feel forgotten in this narrative. You know,

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Speaker 2: we're always talking about all the gunner. Government's always talking

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Speaker 2: about the offender, and what about victims who have lifelong,

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Speaker 1: Well, Leo Finocchiaro, we better leave it there. I know

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Speaker 1: it's a busy day for you. We will catch up

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Speaker 1: up with you on a Wednesday as well. Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much for your time. We'll talk to you again then.

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Speaker 2: Take care everyone.

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Speaker 1: sixty