Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
Speaker 1: TV Reload the podcast last week that might welcome to
Speaker 1: older new TV Reload listeners. My name is Benjamin Norris
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Speaker 1: Today on the episode though, I have the most recognizable
Speaker 1: male TV presenter in Australia. He started off working on
Speaker 1: Channel V in the nineties, became a household name on
Speaker 1: Australian Idol and currently hosts Network ten's most celebrated reality
Speaker 1: TV shows. It is the upcoming host of The Bachelor's
Speaker 1: Osher Ginsberg.
Speaker 2: I'm very lucky to in my career to worked with
Speaker 2: some amazing people.
Speaker 1: Osher joins me on this episode to talk about The
Speaker 1: Bachelor and how it has changed.
Speaker 2: Different seasons of The Bachelor have been produced by different people,
Speaker 2: and each one of them has a different way of
Speaker 2: telling this story.
Speaker 1: We will talk about his dedication to his career and
Speaker 1: what it takes to host live television and high pressure
Speaker 1: hosting jobs.
Speaker 2: I take it very very seriously that I am as
Speaker 2: professional as possible.
Speaker 1: In those moments, I'll ask him which one of the
Speaker 1: three new bachelors he would most likely date.
Speaker 2: Is stunning and his swagger is confident.
Speaker 1: I will also find out exactly how he felt with
Speaker 1: Australian idol returning to our screens and if he was asked.
Speaker 2: To be involved, Jim and I were the undeniable choices
Speaker 2: to host that show, all right. There's no one who
Speaker 2: had more credibility in the live music scene than him
Speaker 2: and now at.
Speaker 1: The time, we will also get some pretty exclusive stories
Speaker 1: that only Osher would know and be willing to tell. However,
Speaker 1: we should really bring Osha into the podcast now, and
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed this episode. Hi, Osha. You know
Speaker 1: I've been so excited to have this chat with you
Speaker 1: because we get to talk about the rebooted Bachelor, which
Speaker 1: is what I call it, so reload to the Bachelor
Speaker 1: now called the Bachelor's Real And there's nobody better to
Speaker 1: tease wat's in stall for us this season than you.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, I'm grateful. Well, there are better people
Speaker 2: to me, like the people that pay for it. We
Speaker 2: want brothers in Network ten. But I hope I could
Speaker 2: get you. I hope I can get you a lot
Speaker 2: of what you're hoping to find today.
Speaker 1: I've been speaking to Spence, who was producing from Warners,
Speaker 1: and she's amazing. Obsessed with her.
Speaker 2: I think she's so good people understand that, you know,
Speaker 2: a Chili Peppers record that was produced by Rick Rubin
Speaker 2: is very different from a Chili Pepper's record that was
Speaker 2: not produced by Rick Rubin. Same band, different overall vision.
Speaker 2: So different seasons of The Bachelor have been produced by
Speaker 2: different people, and each one of them has a different
Speaker 2: way of telling this story. And Spence is just something else.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: She is like everybody I work with is incredible, but
Speaker 2: Spence is really an extraordinary team captain. Because that's what
Speaker 2: an executive producer on a TV show does. They set
Speaker 2: the tone of everybody on set. They set the tone
Speaker 2: of what it is we're trying to achieve. They set
Speaker 2: the tone and basically draw the boundaries for or this
Speaker 2: sort of stuff is okay, this sort of stuff is
Speaker 2: not okay, and everything in between go and Spencer's vision
Speaker 2: on how we're going to do this, how we're going
Speaker 2: to wrangle the telling of three very very different essentially
Speaker 2: core of three very different love stories. And because of
Speaker 2: the amount of people involved, probably many, many more. The
Speaker 2: overarching tone and language visual language, audio language, the way
Speaker 2: it looks, the way it sounds, the way it feels,
Speaker 2: how far it pushes into areas that we haven't pushed before.
Speaker 2: How little of things we used to see all the time,
Speaker 2: we don't see anymore. That's all her and she's incredible
Speaker 2: to work with.
Speaker 1: Mate.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm very lucky to in my career. We've
Speaker 2: worked with some amazing people, and you know there's some
Speaker 2: people are like, Yep, I would follow you into battle, absolutely,
Speaker 2: because I just believe in what she holds in her heart.
Speaker 2: And I might not see the whole picture, but I
Speaker 2: trust the picture that she has in her head and
Speaker 2: I'll do what it takes, be honest. I dare say
Speaker 2: every executive producer I've had nearly every EP I've had
Speaker 2: on this franchise, at the final moment, whether it's down
Speaker 2: on one knee or not, there's a tear in their eye.
Speaker 2: They've been there every step of the journey with the
Speaker 2: people that get to the end of Bachelor, Bachelorette, Batch
Speaker 2: in Paradise and they cry. And when I see that,
Speaker 2: you know, because I'm not there at the moment, I'm
Speaker 2: hiding in a ten one hundred meters away looking at
Speaker 2: a video feed. I turn around and I see my
Speaker 2: boss getting on misty eyed, just in the romance and
Speaker 2: the love I'm like, and I'm glad I work for you.
Speaker 2: You know, you'd think that after I've been in reality
Speaker 2: television nearly twenty years now, you'd think that deep within
Speaker 2: me there is just like this giant, big lump of
Speaker 2: Obsitian rattling around. There is no there's just like a rock.
Speaker 2: You know, this is approaching zero degrees Calvin when all
Speaker 2: entropy ceases. But no, you know, I get emotional too,
Speaker 2: and it's nice to know that you know the people
Speaker 2: who are leading the way and ultimately looking after the
Speaker 2: welfare of the people come on our shows.
Speaker 1: I think that the thing about Caroline Spence, as people
Speaker 1: affectually know her in the industry, is that she gets
Speaker 1: really good, real content out of the people she's putting
Speaker 1: on screen. And with you, it's one of my favorite
Speaker 1: things about you as a person is how authentically you
Speaker 1: are yourself when you are on camera, which I think
Speaker 1: is it gets rare and rare as time goes on.
Speaker 1: That's something that you do so well.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that you are seeing a level of that,
Speaker 2: though you know only as much as the gig allows. Okay,
Speaker 2: so it was something like when I worked on Australian
Speaker 2: Idol the first time around it came I loved music.
Speaker 2: I still love music. I love music incredibly. The guitars
Speaker 2: behind me will be evidence of that. And so to
Speaker 2: be on Telly every night, even on Channel V talking
Speaker 2: about music, you know that part of me is the
Speaker 2: part that is essentially that's what they're paying for. They're
Speaker 2: paying for that part of me to come on the
Speaker 2: camera and do the thing with a bit of traffic
Speaker 2: direction in between, right and now here's a break or whatever.
Speaker 1: But it's still though you have to I mean, you
Speaker 1: can be loud, emotional, empathetic, intuitive and reactive. But I
Speaker 1: think as an audience, we still always see you.
Speaker 2: You see a version of me in a nice suit,
Speaker 2: and you see a version of me. The job isn't
Speaker 2: for me to be funny. The job is to not
Speaker 2: insert my personal emotional or my personal opinion into a situation.
Speaker 2: That's not the job, and so the never job is
Speaker 2: never there. Like if I want to show like mask
Speaker 2: singer or something, people don't watch for me. People watch
Speaker 2: for the moment the head comes off, and people watch
Speaker 2: for the reaction of my panel. So my job is
Speaker 2: to make sure that both of those two things people
Speaker 2: watch for are there. As much as possible, if I
Speaker 2: get to be a little bit funny there, if I'd
Speaker 2: get to maybe throw a slight political jab in there,
Speaker 2: tickety boot. But that's not the gig. I've been lucky
Speaker 2: enough to have been on Q and A once or twice.
Speaker 2: If you ever watch on you ever watched me on
Speaker 2: Q and A, that's pretty much closer to me. When
Speaker 2: I'm not at work.
Speaker 3: I do tend to talk about some pretty boring shit,
Speaker 3: some pretty serious stuff, but with the same level of
Speaker 3: enthusiasm and wild metaphors that I use at the other jobs.
Speaker 1: I watched it today, so look, it's fine. I just
Speaker 1: watched clips of that today. I didn't see the whole thing,
Speaker 1: but we do see. I think you're right. We do
Speaker 1: see versions of you on TV, and you know you
Speaker 1: are at the top of your game. I watched a
Speaker 1: live recording of the Master Singer this year, and I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe how succinct and word perfect you are as
Speaker 1: a presenter. But then there's still the warmth of you
Speaker 1: in front of the camera. Watching you live is something
Speaker 1: to be seen.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that I work really, really hard at that.
Speaker 2: I don't just accidentally do that. I take it very,
Speaker 2: very seriously that I am as professional as possible in
Speaker 2: those moments, and I bring as much as I can
Speaker 2: to what my job is, especially on something like mask.
Speaker 2: To have an audience again this year after making it
Speaker 2: in a vacuum over it for a couple of years
Speaker 2: was hard. It is extraordinary, and when that audience is great,
Speaker 2: the show is great. Everything is even even greater, And
Speaker 2: so part of my job is to make sure that
Speaker 2: those people feel like this is fucking amazing, because it is.
Speaker 2: It's amazing.
Speaker 1: I've watched a lot of shows being filmed live, and
Speaker 1: it always seems to me like you're reacting and feeling
Speaker 1: things deeply. Does look like it would take an enormous amount.
Speaker 1: I mean, people sit at home watching TV a lot
Speaker 1: thinking that they could do it. What it is that
Speaker 1: you do is not something I think most people could do.
Speaker 2: To give myself the space to react and feel deeply,
Speaker 2: there is a heap of work that makes everything else
Speaker 2: in that situation almost semi automatic. In the same way
Speaker 2: that when you first learned to drive, then you probably
Speaker 2: the first time you reversed a manual car down a driveway,
Speaker 2: you probably like I had to turn the radio off
Speaker 2: you had to. Don't nobody saying anything, you know, and
Speaker 2: you know it took you five minutes to drive five meters.
Speaker 2: Now you probably do it while eating a sandwich, putting
Speaker 2: on a podcast, putting on a sa belt with one hand,
Speaker 2: and doing it with your knee. You're able to do
Speaker 2: all those other things because the middle bits, the meat
Speaker 2: and potatoes of what you're actually doing have become automatic
Speaker 2: or semi automatic. Similarly, I put in heaps and heaps
Speaker 2: and heaps of work to make sure that how many
Speaker 2: steps is it from the front of the mouth to
Speaker 2: the center of the stage. I can't see it, so
Speaker 2: there's masks behind me. It actually walked out with I
Speaker 2: can't see out of those things, all right, So I
Speaker 2: rehearse in rehearsing and rehearsal, rehearsal to make sure that, okay,
Speaker 2: it's exactly twelve steps. And there's a tiny little thing
Speaker 2: I can see in the corner of my eye. It's
Speaker 2: like the edge of a speaker. That's when I know
Speaker 2: that I'm pointing in the right direction. You know, I
Speaker 2: do that so many times that by the time you
Speaker 2: see it on the telly, it's just like a thing
Speaker 2: that I'm doing, but I had never did it before
Speaker 2: that day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's two decades doing live television.
Speaker 2: It's something that I adore. And to be on a stage.
Speaker 2: I love live so much because that's all I ever
Speaker 2: did right was be live, whether it be on stage
Speaker 2: with a band, or then on radio, or then on
Speaker 2: Telly and then on Idol. The thing about The Bachelor, though,
Speaker 2: it's as if it was live, because you can't ask
Speaker 2: someone to have an authentic emotional response a second time
Speaker 2: and expect it to be as good, expect it to
Speaker 2: be as authentic. It never ever ever is. So the
Speaker 2: ability to get out there and teg a champagne flut
Speaker 2: with my ring finger like some really obscene flex. It's fun.
Speaker 2: It's wrong, but it's fun, and to you know, drop
Speaker 2: hundreds of words of exposition, knowing that I've got eight cameras,
Speaker 2: sometimes seven, sometimes sorry I'm exaggerating, six cameras sometimes seven
Speaker 2: cameras covering thirty three separate faces, knowing that I need
Speaker 2: to give the cameras enough time to get on particular
Speaker 2: faces during particular moments, to make sure that we cover
Speaker 2: the reactions of those particular people the moment they discover
Speaker 2: the thing that I'm saying out loud for the first time.
Speaker 2: You can't do that twice. So having had live a
Speaker 2: live background experience, I think went a long way first
Speaker 2: getting the job on Bachelor, and now we just work
Speaker 2: at a point where the producers and the directors trust
Speaker 2: me enough to know that I will give them the
Speaker 2: space they need and they will make sure they get
Speaker 2: the reactions they need. I will wait and watch to
Speaker 2: see that they've got everything covered before I keep going
Speaker 2: because I can't do it and it feels weird. If
Speaker 2: you're standing in the room and there's bloke you know
Speaker 2: from teleywalks in a glass and this says the same
Speaker 2: things four times and aw, You're like, well, okay, I've
Speaker 2: got you the first three times, Like why are you
Speaker 2: saying it again.
Speaker 1: I've got a brand who's a TV producer, and it's funny.
Speaker 1: I've quite often written to him while watching the shows
Speaker 1: that he makes, and I'll say was that live? And
Speaker 1: He'll be like, funny, you ask that we had to
Speaker 1: reshoot that moment. You have to be so precise to
Speaker 1: try and capture something like something on the Bachelor, because
Speaker 1: if you have to try and do it again or
Speaker 1: mimic it in any way. The authenticity I always feel
Speaker 1: it dilutes fifty percent. I mean, you'd have to be
Speaker 1: pretty s cool to watching TV to pick up.
Speaker 2: On it, knowing how any sausages made ruined sausages forever.
Speaker 2: You know, when I first started in radio, once I
Speaker 2: knew how radio was made, I couldn't listen to radio properly.
Speaker 2: Ever again, Okay, we're coming out of the eleven a m.
Speaker 2: News and there's a Nickelback song. You know, once you
Speaker 2: know how it works, you know, you know how it works,
Speaker 2: and it kind of takes the magic away a little bit.
Speaker 2: On this season of The Bachelor's we worked really really
Speaker 2: hard on making sure it was as hands off as
Speaker 2: we could be. We use very different you know. It's
Speaker 2: interesting people may not realize that choices that you make
Speaker 2: about which cameras you'll use, which lenses you'll choose, how
Speaker 2: you light a situation will influence the way the people
Speaker 2: in that situation will respond. An example would be have
Speaker 2: you ever seen Drive to Survive? But is that what's
Speaker 2: called the Netflix Formula one?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think that's what it's called, But I know I
Speaker 1: haven't watched it. I have to wait.
Speaker 2: Yeah, formula one drives as VI. It's on Netflix. It's
Speaker 2: if you never If you don't care about Formula one,
Speaker 2: just I don't care, just watch it. It's one of
Speaker 2: the most extraordinary documentary obdos observational documentary. It's one of
Speaker 2: the most extraordinary obdocs ever ever made because they've just
Speaker 2: got everyone micd the whole time, and so you'll know
Speaker 2: there's a difference between sitting some seeing someone sit down,
Speaker 2: you know, and they've got a soft box above them.
Speaker 2: Sometimes they'll shoot them wide so you'll see all the hardware,
Speaker 2: and they're looking a little to the left of the
Speaker 2: lens or a little to the right of the lens,
Speaker 2: going and they're putting the question in the answer, going, oh,
Speaker 2: when we did that. When we did that, it was
Speaker 2: that they've been asked a question. They're putting the question
Speaker 2: of the answer to create it into a statement.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: We know that's the language of reality television. There's a
Speaker 2: big digs between that and when we see them shot
Speaker 2: on a long lens across a field actually telling the
Speaker 2: person what you know, they told them in the moment,
Speaker 2: because they're in the moment. So that's a long way
Speaker 2: of explaining that. Between fence and our director and you know,
Speaker 2: a network who went along with it. And the way
Speaker 2: we shot this season of the Bat actually, we lit
Speaker 2: it in a way that it could be shot from
Speaker 2: any angle. We're using particular cameras that are able to
Speaker 2: shoot in very very very low light on quite long lenses.
Speaker 2: So if two people are having a moment of emotional
Speaker 2: even physical intimacy, they're being filmed, but the camera is
Speaker 2: not standing next to them, whereas in the past the
Speaker 2: camera had been sometimes standing next to them, And that's
Speaker 2: going to change how you feel when you're pashing someone,
Speaker 2: or how you feel when you're saying I'm not that
Speaker 2: into you if there's a camera an arm's length away,
Speaker 2: which sometimes happens on not necessarily our shows, but shows
Speaker 2: like this. So we worked really hard to make this
Speaker 2: be a very different experience for the people who participated
Speaker 2: in it, and the results speak for themselves. The level
Speaker 2: of authentic conversation, authentic connection, authentic how shall I put
Speaker 2: this dialogue between people is extraordinary and really kind of
Speaker 2: care I'm so proud of everyone involved in changing solistically
Speaker 2: how that this season looks and feels, because it ultimately
Speaker 2: changes the level of emotional expression you see on camera
Speaker 2: in a very different way, and I'm so proud of it.
Speaker 1: Did you get any creative control? Because I mean, this
Speaker 1: is this is the first time they've really shaken up
Speaker 1: the formula which has been a global success. And you know,
Speaker 1: you're a producer in your own right and no television
Speaker 1: extremely well I ever remember in your book, I think
Speaker 1: you were working on a show called The Real Deal.
Speaker 1: That's how I got the job of the pitch that
Speaker 1: to Channel ten and Channel ten greenlit it and you
Speaker 1: went back to La to work on it. And so
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to get at is, you know you've
Speaker 1: got the producer's mind, and when they decided to change
Speaker 1: a very successful formula into what we're about to see
Speaker 1: with the Bachelor's, were you able to have a contribution
Speaker 1: into what needed to happen? And was it anything like
Speaker 1: The Real Deal? Has anything ever been made like The
Speaker 1: Real Deal?
Speaker 2: Well, I've I've got to say that to their extraordinary credit,
Speaker 2: both Spence and my network EP at the time at
Speaker 2: Network Tan Hillary in US were actually quite open to
Speaker 2: ideas because they were looking to rework it and they
Speaker 2: were asking everyone. They asked a lot of people, and
Speaker 2: I was one of the people. They asked, and I
Speaker 2: was very grateful that they did. I would never expect
Speaker 2: that they would have. I would never expect that my
Speaker 2: ideas the host from the Australian version of the show,
Speaker 2: which has been super successful in forty something territories and
Speaker 2: there's been making networks all over the world lots of
Speaker 2: money for decades, would have something to say that could
Speaker 2: add to it. But they listened, and I'm really grateful,
Speaker 2: And I also guess in the moment, there's a few
Speaker 2: very different things about the way this season works, and
Speaker 2: one of those is essentially when we were the first
Speaker 2: territory in the world in so people are pretty. They're
Speaker 2: pretty in TV people who listen to your show, right,
Speaker 2: so they get that when you buy a TV franchise,
Speaker 2: it's like buying fast food franchise. They pass you this
Speaker 2: gigantic ring binder with the logo, with the graphics, with
Speaker 2: the soundtrack, with the Okay, if you're going to if
Speaker 2: it's a reality show, if you're going to cast it,
Speaker 2: I'm just making this up, but you're going to need
Speaker 2: the one that shouts, the one that whispers, the one
Speaker 2: that cries, you know, the one who is kind of
Speaker 2: kooky and you're gonna need the one who ultimately is
Speaker 2: just full of heart. You've got those five people you've
Speaker 2: got to show and then you know you go from it.
Speaker 2: That's not our show, but that that document is called
Speaker 2: a bible. So to be able to then go to
Speaker 2: the franchise owners, like if you said to the fast
Speaker 2: food franchise, hey, look it's asked you down. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: ulture and then yeah, we're thinking of reworking it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so we're thinking three all beef patties, just normal sauce,
Speaker 2: no let us, but more cheese pickles, red onions on
Speaker 2: above with those sssame seeds. They'd be like, you shut
Speaker 2: your mouth and know your place, know your place, sorry
Speaker 2: the rock, know your place. Shut your mouth. It's two
Speaker 2: or beef patty specialists. Let us cheese pickles and your
Speaker 2: sispecyed onun. I'm hanging up the phone right now, and
Speaker 2: that would be it, all right, But we have been
Speaker 2: given this extraordinary permission to kind of tweak the recipe.
Speaker 2: That never happens in television. You never get that chance.
Speaker 2: You never get that chance. Well, it rarely really happened.
Speaker 2: So it happened with master Chief. Master Chief came to
Speaker 2: Australia as kind of like it was like a mid
Speaker 2: morning at best, the sort of thing you'd put on
Speaker 2: instead of an infomercial, you know, kind of benign wallpaper
Speaker 2: cooking show, and Australia turned it into this just behemoth,
Speaker 2: kind of world beating monster of supermarket integration, like the
Speaker 2: level of integration that they sales integration they put into it,
Speaker 2: like it just and tension and drama made become this
Speaker 2: huge show. So there has been some success in reworking
Speaker 2: international formats. When we got about I don't know, three
Speaker 2: or four weeks in, someone from someone from overseas from
Speaker 2: Warner Brothers International showed up and it sped about a
Speaker 2: week with this and they were like, can't believe this.
Speaker 2: And when you get someone who's like a high level
Speaker 2: TV executive, you know, in charge of making sure that
Speaker 2: the international versions of the brand are aligned and you
Speaker 2: know you haven't strayed, you know culturally you do need
Speaker 2: to adjust in every territory, but that you're on board.
Speaker 2: When you get that person who's probably been in television
Speaker 2: for a while now slapping the table, going no way,
Speaker 2: shouting and go, that's I might.
Speaker 1: Like, you know you're on a good thing that's going
Speaker 1: to be Australia that they're going to be like, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I can't believe what they're doing.
Speaker 2: So I've got I've got I've got a long way.
Speaker 2: I've got a long way to answering your question, which
Speaker 2: is around it? If I have any input, there's a
Speaker 2: there's a format point that's quite different in the past.
Speaker 2: We were the first territory to have the thought track
Speaker 2: going in the rose ceremony. Okay, it used to be
Speaker 2: just here's our hero holding, you know, a rose in
Speaker 2: their hand. Here's the lineup, whether it be boys or girls,
Speaker 2: and we would never hear what they were thinking. We
Speaker 2: were the first ones with the long, slow pans acrom
Speaker 2: the across them, using grabs from their interviews, going oh,
Speaker 2: I really hope Ben gives me a rose. I had
Speaker 2: really such a good time with him on this podcast.
Speaker 2: I don't know about her, She's got things. And when
Speaker 2: I was on Ben's podcast, we talked about that, and
Speaker 2: you know, then they call that one of their names,
Speaker 2: and then you do the thing. We're the first people
Speaker 2: to do that. Those moments now are in the room
Speaker 2: and I'm very grateful that the network and the production
Speaker 2: everybody trusted me to be able to hold that down
Speaker 2: and hold down that conversation between who are in contention
Speaker 2: for the roads. Sometimes it gets a bit sprightly, but
Speaker 2: they trusted that they would do it. And in those moments,
Speaker 2: whether they you know, whether you know it or not,
Speaker 2: you're making on the fly. I'm making decisions, I guess
Speaker 2: obviously in alignment with what my bosses want me to do.
Speaker 2: But if I've kind of got the sense that I'm
Speaker 2: so close to getting this person, give me the real reason,
Speaker 2: because I kind of have an idea of what it
Speaker 2: is they have going on, and they're kind of skirting
Speaker 2: around it. So even though they might hear, they might
Speaker 2: have gone, okay, you know, go that way, Okay, we're
Speaker 2: not going to get it. If I go like, oh,
Speaker 2: hang on, and I try another just one more time,
Speaker 2: which I do sometimes, and then I get it, I'm like,
Speaker 2: thank you for letting me spend an extra three minutes
Speaker 2: of everyone's crew know hours on getting that moment, because
Speaker 2: I guess I know enough to know we can't really
Speaker 2: tell the story if we don't get this really key bit,
Speaker 2: and they trust me enough to know that I can,
Speaker 2: I can deliver that and that's extraordinary on it that
Speaker 2: they would let me hold the wheel like that in
Speaker 2: that moment. Because ultimately, with a show like Bachelor's everything
Speaker 2: that you see in the cut, everything that you see
Speaker 2: in the edit we shoot what let's just do a
Speaker 2: quick like, say, we shot four cameras across a cocktail
Speaker 2: party that went for two hours. That is the least
Speaker 2: of it. That is eight hours of footage that we
Speaker 2: have to make into maybe a sixty minute episode, which
Speaker 2: after commercials is I don't know, forty eight forty nine
Speaker 2: something minutes.
Speaker 1: It's a tough mathematical equation.
Speaker 2: Are you going to do that? That's a lot. There's
Speaker 2: a lot that doesn't come and there's a lot. So
Speaker 2: everything that makes it into that edit, everything has to
Speaker 2: make the decision makes sense, has to make why they
Speaker 2: do or do not give the rose make sense, all right?
Speaker 2: And you know, as long as we're always kind of
Speaker 2: pointing in that direction, we're gonna be okay. And I'm
Speaker 2: just so grateful that you know, not only Spence, but
Speaker 2: also you know, you know my other EPs Dean and
Speaker 2: Jimmy just they're just the borst man. I'm really I'm
Speaker 2: really liked well.
Speaker 1: Spencer that in a really interesting way. She said, you know,
Speaker 1: if it doesn't speak to clarity, then it doesn't work.
Speaker 1: And so I thought that was a really interesting piece
Speaker 1: of the pie when it comes to the content that
Speaker 1: she makes, because that's true, that's absolutely true with the
Speaker 1: work that she does. There's nothing in her shows that
Speaker 1: doesn't speak to clarity. Yeah, you've probably shot a lot,
Speaker 1: but what's left there is all about answering the simple
Speaker 1: questions that the audience want. It was funny we were
Speaker 1: talking about ev Jones who was on Snack Masters and
Speaker 1: she was really disappointed that she wasn't in it as
Speaker 1: much as she filmed and she was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: thought I was going to be in a more spence
Speaker 1: because I had both of them together, and Spence was like,
Speaker 1: you know, at the same time, there was so much hilarity,
Speaker 1: there were so many great moments that you had, but
Speaker 1: if it didn't add to clarity of the story, were
Speaker 1: so we're under a time constraint. And I just thought
Speaker 1: that was an interesting thing to say at the end
Speaker 1: of what you were talking about, you know, with the
Speaker 1: eons of footage that's being made and the mathematical equation
Speaker 1: of trying to get that down to forty five minutes,
Speaker 1: which you're handing into the you know which warners have
Speaker 1: to hand into the network. Yeah, I think it's fascinating.
Speaker 2: Yeah so, but it's like, but it's no different from
Speaker 2: any kind of visual storytelling that we see on a screen,
Speaker 2: even in a even in a link later film. There's
Speaker 2: nothing that is done or said or seen that is
Speaker 2: by accident, even if it's to make you feel a
Speaker 2: certain way, even if it's to prime you with a
Speaker 2: feeling of oh, right before you know Jordan Peel, right
Speaker 2: before Jordan Peele literally scares the shit out of your body,
Speaker 2: nothing is there by accident in anything you ever watch.
Speaker 2: And so it's similarly like with really good reality, nothing
Speaker 2: is wasted, No frame is wasted, everything about the frame,
Speaker 2: everything about the way it sounds. One thing I love
Speaker 2: about this new season of Bachelors is the music is
Speaker 2: so different. There's no simple crashes. I won't give it away,
Speaker 2: but there's something so beautifully majestically different about the music
Speaker 2: this year. Music on this season it's just the best.
Speaker 2: And that's you know, that's Spence all over it. Man,
Speaker 2: she's really quite a visionary, visionary person. It really understands
Speaker 2: what it is to take a format that is so
Speaker 2: loved around the world and loved in Australia for various reasons.
Speaker 2: People love watching our show and understanding what people really
Speaker 2: want out of it and what people are like, Look,
Speaker 2: I like this, and look I might not have been
Speaker 2: over there for a while because I kind of know
Speaker 2: what I'm going to get and I kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: I want to be a part of it. But I
Speaker 2: mean a little more than what you've given me.
Speaker 1: Everyone's been sitting at home for the last two seasons,
Speaker 1: and let's be fair and say that's probably what it is,
Speaker 1: you know, wanting it to be a little bit different.
Speaker 1: They love this show and they own it as well.
Speaker 1: Like if you talk to people about The Bachelor and
Speaker 1: the Bachelorette, there shows that people really love. It's appointment
Speaker 1: television the first episode where they watch it with their friends,
Speaker 1: you know. And so when you've got a TV show
Speaker 1: like Idol or Big Brother or Bachelor that that brand
Speaker 1: is so important to people, you have to be a
Speaker 1: little bit careful with it. But I did love that
Speaker 1: when you announced the new Bachelor's I think you're on
Speaker 1: the project and you said, oh, we're getting rid of
Speaker 1: the We're getting rid of the tea lights or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Oh, there's no fairy lights. There's no fairy lights, there's
Speaker 2: no fake flowers, there's nothing.
Speaker 1: I'd been saying, and I said it on a podcast,
Speaker 1: not this one, but I was a guest on another
Speaker 1: podcast and they asked me about what I thought needed
Speaker 1: to happen with the formula, and I said, I love
Speaker 1: the red carpet ceremony, but I was hoping it would
Speaker 1: be on the Gold Coast and she would be standing
Speaker 1: outside of GC Nightclub and it all happens before they
Speaker 1: go into the Gold Coast Nightclub.
Speaker 2: I did take a jet ski to work every day
Speaker 2: in a linen suit, you know, and it was like
Speaker 2: Kenny Powers leopard skin as well, So that was pretty
Speaker 2: pretty cool.
Speaker 1: GZ is a good place for the I've always thought,
Speaker 1: you know, we're going to change the Bachelor.
Speaker 2: It's a pretty good spot for batch. It's an amazing
Speaker 2: thing because it's like, you can't believe it. It's a
Speaker 2: part of Australia that looks like nowhere else in Australia,
Speaker 2: and it's a part of Australia where is it is
Speaker 2: a part of Australia that is like nowhere else. Culturally,
Speaker 2: it's a very different place to the rest of the country. Visually,
Speaker 2: it's completely different to the rest of the country. And
Speaker 2: that's where we were. The house that boys lived in
Speaker 2: was so big you could literally, and you know I've
Speaker 2: done it, ride a bicycle from your bedroom to the
Speaker 2: swimming pool, which is also inside the apartment.
Speaker 1: I have to ask a really annoying reality TV podcast
Speaker 1: question and you have to come with me with a
Speaker 1: sense of humor on this. But if you were going
Speaker 1: to pick one of these men in a hypothetical world,
Speaker 1: you know who out of these three men is your type?
Speaker 2: Out of Thomas, Felix, and Jed oh easily, easily Jed.
Speaker 2: There's no one that I I mean, they've all got
Speaker 2: something about them that I really like. I could get
Speaker 2: really nerdy talking about sport NBA with Felix, and you know,
Speaker 2: I lived in America for about ten years, so we
Speaker 2: got to talk about you know, college basketball and March Madness,
Speaker 2: and you know, not many people in Australia understand how
Speaker 2: intense it is, and so that was super cool. And
Speaker 2: then Thomas is a very awakened man. He's done a
Speaker 2: lot of work. He's a deep thinking human being and gorgeous.
Speaker 2: My god, with his shirt off, he looks like an
Speaker 2: RSL meat trade. Vertically, he's god unbelievable. It was true though.
Speaker 2: It's like if you want the meat tr at the
Speaker 2: RSL and you tip that inside and then you put
Speaker 2: a shirt around it and a head on top, that's Thomas.
Speaker 2: Like just and Jed, Well I could, I'd say Jed
Speaker 2: because look, he's a muso, knows what it is to
Speaker 2: be on stage. He knows a lot about music, and
Speaker 2: he appreciates great you know, like a great chord change.
Speaker 2: And most people will be like, yeah, what, but you
Speaker 2: speak to the person who be like, hey, how's that
Speaker 2: thing that has really good? Yes? Yeah, that's a good
Speaker 2: mind of seventh sto with its attention. There's a brat nights.
Speaker 2: Yes good, you know. So I really appreciate it. And
Speaker 2: I think just Jed is just he's my kind of
Speaker 2: guy because he just fearlessly wades into the world, just
Speaker 2: the way that Jed carries himself. And just this is
Speaker 2: what I'm going to wear today, Yes you can see
Speaker 2: him nipples And am I happy about it? Yep? And
Speaker 2: I'm just going to walk into this room and be
Speaker 2: the most exciting man you've ever seen in a head
Speaker 2: to toe fish that jumpsuit with an overcoat and he's
Speaker 2: just hot.
Speaker 1: I saw a bit of function like about three weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and I'd seen the press photos, I'd seen some stuff
Speaker 1: and you know, I'd seen your introduction and then I
Speaker 1: met him in person. I spoke to him for like
Speaker 1: half an hour and I was just It was at
Speaker 1: a makeup lawaunch and they did his makeup and I
Speaker 1: was like, you are you are a modern man.
Speaker 2: It's stunning and his swagger is confidence I know. But
Speaker 2: that's what does it for me, because it comes with
Speaker 2: this kind of nerdy muso on the inside, whereas someone
Speaker 2: else might be right up for you know, Felix, and
Speaker 2: someone else might be right up for Thomas. Sorry if
Speaker 2: you're listening, boys, but yeah.
Speaker 1: The audience is going to switch though. I reckon that.
Speaker 1: You know, they're the type of boys that you're going
Speaker 1: to change your mind, which I guessing is going to
Speaker 1: be some of the magic of the Bachelor's But and.
Speaker 2: That's what it is for me, is that when we
Speaker 2: started this format, well we in Australia started this format
Speaker 2: swiping left and right in the straight world had only
Speaker 2: just existed, all right. In the non straight world, people
Speaker 2: had been dating online for quite some time, but in
Speaker 2: the in the straight world, that had just shown up, really,
Speaker 2: and so the idea of you know, scarcity was still
Speaker 2: a factor in dating. You know, I'm going to have
Speaker 2: to sort this out because I've just found this person.
Speaker 2: They're pretty great. Fast forward a couple of years, when
Speaker 2: you can swipe so much that you are you always thinking, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm just one swipe away from meeting them, and what
Speaker 2: if this person this little annoying thing I'm finding. Wow,
Speaker 2: a couple more swipes, I might find the one that
Speaker 2: is then and then I make people who, you know,
Speaker 2: seven eight years, they haven't had a partner because they've
Speaker 2: just been going from this transaction or relationship to transaction
Speaker 2: or relationship. And that's really sad to not have that
Speaker 2: ability to connect emotionally and share a moment with someone
Speaker 2: that you can be there with your best friend. But
Speaker 2: there's another thing to connect emotionally with someone and connect
Speaker 2: intimately with someone and then share a moment in time
Speaker 2: with that person knowing that you will be there for
Speaker 2: each other. That is a truly beautiful thing, and that
Speaker 2: was one of the most wonderful things about being human.
Speaker 2: And that's kind of how modern dating now is, and
Speaker 2: that scarcity is no longer a factor. The supply and
Speaker 2: demand has been turned on its head. And you may
Speaker 2: and I know this from my brief time on those
Speaker 2: hell whole dating apps. I'd be on a date with
Speaker 2: someone and I kind of had this clue, like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're going to meet someone after this. Ah, So you're not,
Speaker 2: even though I'm kind of being a little challenging in
Speaker 2: the way we're speaking, or you're challenging me a little
Speaker 2: bit in the way we're speaking, you don't want to
Speaker 2: work through it or find some common ground because you're
Speaker 2: just going to go after this and have a drink
Speaker 2: with someone else that you made.
Speaker 1: Ah. Ah.
Speaker 2: But that's what we've brought into this show. We've brought this.
Speaker 2: The level of the scarcity thing is gone because everyone's
Speaker 2: got a choice.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: The boys have a choice and the ladies have a choice.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of all it's all air, it's all
Speaker 2: to play for. It's very very, very interesting. I got
Speaker 2: I wrote about this in the book that you mentioned earlier,
Speaker 2: and I even share I shared it with the boys.
Speaker 2: Uh sorry, I don't want to infantalize them. I shared
Speaker 2: them with these men because there's moments in this season
Speaker 2: that I've always had I'm not going to say a
Speaker 2: constantly airy role, but like a sounding board for our hero,
Speaker 2: whether it be Rook Blurton or you know, Sam Wood
Speaker 2: or whoever. And there's been moments when you know, our
Speaker 2: hero has wanted to figure out what is it to
Speaker 2: date someone? For example, what is it to date someone
Speaker 2: with a child? Which, face it, when you're in your
Speaker 2: late thirties, early forties, you're going to be dating someone
Speaker 2: with job and so come over have dinner, and so
Speaker 2: you know, time to time, some other heroes have come
Speaker 2: and had dinner with me and Audrey and g and
Speaker 2: kind of gone, oh, okay, this works. I see how
Speaker 2: this works. And that stuff's always been off camera. Those
Speaker 2: kind of conversations we have and have always been off camera.
Speaker 2: But one of the conversations that I had with Spence
Speaker 2: and Hillary, which I mentioned earlier, was you know, let's
Speaker 2: have those conversations on camera. Let's find a way that
Speaker 2: we can make those conversations feel real. And they are
Speaker 2: and they are real, And so I write about this
Speaker 2: moment in my book, and you know, I got to
Speaker 2: share it with the gentleman, one of these conjuring, one
Speaker 2: of these conversations, whereas there there actually is no such
Speaker 2: thing as the one there isn't. It's just finding the
Speaker 2: one who's willing to work on it with you. It's
Speaker 2: a fallacy, the idea that and now I've found you,
Speaker 2: I no longer have to change anything about myself. That's it.
Speaker 2: It's this is.
Speaker 1: How you're getting all life.
Speaker 2: No, no, mate, no no, no, you have just seriously,
Speaker 2: you have that. You've just passed the startup screen. We
Speaker 2: haven't even got to load the first cut scene before
Speaker 2: we even get on to start to get into Vice
Speaker 2: City and get rolling around like that's when we begin,
Speaker 2: you know, That's when you start. That's when the change
Speaker 2: has to happen. Is when you state till we want
Speaker 2: to stay together, you need because we all change. We
Speaker 2: all get older, things we want in life change, bits
Speaker 2: of our bodies stop working as well as they used to,
Speaker 2: you know, we don't. We sag more, we get crankier.
Speaker 2: If you find the person who's willing to work on
Speaker 2: it with you, then just hold on with both hands
Speaker 2: and do whatever it takes and do the work on
Speaker 2: your on your side, and that's what I tell these guys,
Speaker 2: and what they do with that information is up to them.
Speaker 2: But I was grateful that I had the opportunity to
Speaker 2: share in those you know, have those kind of conversations
Speaker 2: like that, because you really don't see men, Australian men
Speaker 2: on Australian television talking to each other about anything other
Speaker 2: than sport of politics. So I found that to be
Speaker 2: kind of a first and that was really nice that
Speaker 2: the team who make the show felt that these moments
Speaker 2: were important enough to stay in the cut because they
Speaker 2: made the moments at the very end of the show
Speaker 2: makes sense. That's really really nice because you can't be
Speaker 2: what you can't see, all right, And to see men
Speaker 2: speaking and this is the relationship between the gentlemen as well,
Speaker 2: between Thomas, Jedd and Felix, the relationship between them is
Speaker 2: really something. It's quite lovely to witness these guys kind
Speaker 2: of get to know each other and find support from
Speaker 2: each other, and not in a punch you in the
Speaker 2: arm kind of kind of way. It was actually quite
Speaker 2: lovely and a version of masculinity, Australian masculinity that we
Speaker 2: just don't really see on Australian television, but it's still hot.
Speaker 2: Trust me.
Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to talk to the boys the
Speaker 1: other day, the three of them together, and it was
Speaker 1: definitely the take home from me was that these guys
Speaker 1: have obviously given each other their rows. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it was obvious to me that they was a genuine
Speaker 1: friendship amongst them, and that was really good to see
Speaker 1: as well, Like, it was good to see all three
Speaker 1: of them being very different men and being supportive of
Speaker 1: each other. And you're right, we don't get to see
Speaker 1: a lot of that on television unless it's beensitive over
Speaker 1: the years, you know, sensationalized or boxed into a very
Speaker 1: certain way we should see men. And then here we
Speaker 1: are in twenty twenty three with the Bachelor's and you're
Speaker 1: answering some of that in a profound way, which is
Speaker 1: probably one of the shows that you don't expect to
Speaker 1: see that being discussed.
Speaker 2: All. I think that's what that's the thing you know
Speaker 2: with the show like Bachelor's or Bachelorette. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to say we trojan horse things into people's living rooms,
Speaker 2: but like, there's this moment that really sticks out for
Speaker 2: me of all the versions of the show that we've
Speaker 2: been lucky enough to make Brook blittin season of The Bachelorette,
Speaker 2: where dr Ami Funich sat down and asked the final
Speaker 2: two seventeen words. If I were to ask you whose
Speaker 2: country you live on right now, would you be able
Speaker 2: to tell me? And both of Brook's final two weren't
Speaker 2: able to answer that question. Now, this is, obviously is
Speaker 2: a conversation about colonialism. It's a conversation about, you know,
Speaker 2: the fact that sovereignty was never seated. It's a conversation
Speaker 2: about what it is to be a First nation's person
Speaker 2: in Australia. It's about what it is to know a
Speaker 2: First Nations person's Australia or be romantically involved with an
Speaker 2: Aboriginal Australian person. And it wasn't on four Corners, it
Speaker 2: wasn't on Insight on SBS. It wasn't like some person
Speaker 2: in a T shirt screaming at you on a giant
Speaker 2: street protest. It was in the context of this kind
Speaker 2: of reality TV show about people falling in love. And
Speaker 2: I remember, I know it cut through because one of
Speaker 2: my neighbors came out the next day. I was wondering
Speaker 2: my yard one of my neighbors came out and said, yeah,
Speaker 2: I can't. I didn't know the answer to that. I
Speaker 2: had to look it up. And that blew my mind
Speaker 2: because we have this apportunity on this show to demonstrate
Speaker 2: these things and not in an intense kind of like
Speaker 2: ideological way, but just as a kind of kind of
Speaker 2: matter of fact. And so there are some things that
Speaker 2: you will find out by watching this show this season
Speaker 2: that take what we started with Brooks season and we're
Speaker 2: just to go to a whole new level man and
Speaker 2: ways of has should I put this ways that relationships
Speaker 2: and what is okay in relationships and what is not
Speaker 2: okay in relationships that will make people of a certain
Speaker 2: generation kind of turn to younger people in life and
Speaker 2: go and you're cool with that, and the younger people
Speaker 2: will look at them go, yeah, it's going to be
Speaker 2: really interesting.
Speaker 1: I think you're then talking to your audience as though
Speaker 1: they're intelligent, and I think that's what means Australia.
Speaker 2: We are intelligent people.
Speaker 1: No, I know, but you'd be surprised at the community.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, you've been on television for two
Speaker 1: decades nearly, and you know we have seen plenty of
Speaker 1: shows on television that discuss love and show people being people,
Speaker 1: and we've escaped some of that intelligence of respecting that
Speaker 1: the audience are intelligent, because you're right, they are. But
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a given. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: a given. With a lot of the shows that we've
Speaker 1: seen that have even tried to be like The Bachelor
Speaker 1: or The Bachelorette, you know, we've seen a lot of
Speaker 1: love shows come along that aren't as recognizable, you know,
Speaker 1: globally as this format is. So I think it's good
Speaker 1: that it's evolving, and I think it's good that the
Speaker 1: people who are making it, you know, respecting their audience.
Speaker 2: You are going to see some stuff that will blow
Speaker 2: your socks off, mate, But don't worry. Everything you want,
Speaker 2: everything you want is there. There's love, there's you know,
Speaker 2: there's conversations that you otherwise wouldn't expect. For me, one
Speaker 2: of the most wonderful things is seeing the extraordinary emotional intelligence,
Speaker 2: emotional intelligence and holding of boundaries between people who may
Speaker 2: have a shall we say, discrepancy in how they view
Speaker 2: the outcome of a situation, and just how the way
Speaker 2: that these people just model what it is to have
Speaker 2: a conversation that is holy charge and highly emotion without
Speaker 2: calling someone names, without smashing a glass, or without throwing
Speaker 2: wine in someone's face, like it can happen. It's amazing
Speaker 2: to watch and it's incredible. I can't wait for.
Speaker 1: You to see it. It would be remissive me not
Speaker 1: to quickly ask you about something that's coming back next year,
Speaker 1: and that's Australian Idol does come back to TVN next year.
Speaker 1: Was there any fomo about not being involved with it
Speaker 1: coming back? Considering that when you think of Australian Idol,
Speaker 1: you are the first face that comes to mind.
Speaker 2: I am one of them. There's many look the I
Speaker 2: know behind the scenes, and a lot of people have
Speaker 2: been trying to get it up, get it back up
Speaker 2: in various forms for quite a while. When I heard
Speaker 2: that it was happening the way it was happening, you know,
Speaker 2: the first thing I did was I picked up my
Speaker 2: phone and I had Scott Tweety's la number and I
Speaker 2: texted him straight away and I said, mate, this is
Speaker 2: it them doing it. This is you go time to start.
Speaker 2: This is your gig. You must get this gig. This
Speaker 2: has to happen. You have to do it. I haven't
Speaker 2: seen anyone who works as hard on being as great
Speaker 2: at what they do. It's been a long time since
Speaker 2: I've seen anyone who commits to themselves, commits themselves to
Speaker 2: being to excellence as Scott Tweety. Because it is a craft.
Speaker 2: Is It's like, it's like being a great cricketer or
Speaker 2: you know, being very good at I don't know, a
Speaker 2: race car driving. I'm mentioned sport. I'll keep mentioning sports.
Speaker 2: It's like being a good I'm saying I'm a surgeon.
Speaker 2: But it's a skill. It's a skill that takes work
Speaker 2: to not only start to be good at, but stay
Speaker 2: to be good at. Tweety is one of those people.
Speaker 2: And like additionally, like that, Ricky Lee is oh so
Speaker 2: happy for her, so happy for her. She has worked really, really,
Speaker 2: really hard. They don't accidentally give these jobs away, you know,
Speaker 2: they don't give these jobs as a favor. They give
Speaker 2: it to the person who's just the best at it.
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm so proud of Ricky Lee for
Speaker 2: working really hard to stay the best, to stay undeniable.
Speaker 2: And if there's one thing that I know from television
Speaker 2: is that if you make yourself undeniable, you will not
Speaker 2: be denied. And that is what Tweety and Ricky have done.
Speaker 2: They have continually put themselves through the ring to make
Speaker 2: sure they are undeniable. So when the job shows up,
Speaker 2: people go, well, I can't we can't pick anybody else.
Speaker 2: We've got to pick those guys, and it's going to
Speaker 2: be a great show. It's I mean, I mean, I
Speaker 2: know a bunch of people who are working on it,
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to figure out how I could sneak
Speaker 2: into being the studio. I don't think I'm going to
Speaker 2: be able to do it.
Speaker 1: Because it's not in there, because you'll distract.
Speaker 2: It's not a network. No, but it's not a network.
Speaker 2: It's not going to happen. It's not going to have
Speaker 2: no way.
Speaker 1: Was there ever a real conversation about you doing the
Speaker 1: show though?
Speaker 2: On Channel seven?
Speaker 1: Well, let's not. I mean, it's it's murky. I feel
Speaker 1: like it's murky because you are very Channel ten. But
Speaker 1: I mean, was there ever a possible were they do
Speaker 1: they ever try and reach out and ask you to
Speaker 1: do it?
Speaker 2: Oh? Look, I you know you hear people going, oh,
Speaker 2: we're going to try and bring it back like unreal. Well,
Speaker 2: if I'm still the right guy at the time. I'd
Speaker 2: love to do it. It's the best fu ever. It's
Speaker 2: an extraordinary format. But you know, I understand that, you know,
Speaker 2: market shift and change and people want different things. And
Speaker 2: you know, in two thousand and three when we did Idle,
Speaker 2: Jim and I were the undeniable choices to host that show.
Speaker 2: All right, there's no one who had more credibility in
Speaker 2: the live music scene than him. And now at the time,
Speaker 2: I am not that person now, and that's fine because
Speaker 2: what I am to the music industry and what I
Speaker 2: am to the world of broadcast is very different now,
Speaker 2: and that's totally cool. That's fine. My value proper is
Speaker 2: by value prop has changed quite significantly, and that's fine.
Speaker 1: Very last question I ask everybody is what is something
Speaker 1: from behind the scenes of making The Bachelor, let's say
Speaker 1: Bachelor's twenty twenty three, like a secret behind the scene secret,
Speaker 1: something we won't see.
Speaker 2: Because we shot on the goal course. Now, we shot
Speaker 2: season two three of The Bachelor at a mansion in
Speaker 2: Hunter's Hill in Sydney, which is we show at a
Speaker 2: mansion in Hunters Hill in Sydney, which is directly below
Speaker 2: the incoming flight path of Mascot Airport in Sydney, and
Speaker 2: so if we were shooting ever on a Friday night
Speaker 2: and the wind was blowing in a particular direction, the
Speaker 2: amount of seven three, seven eight hundreds which were passing
Speaker 2: two thousand feet over our heads meant we shot those
Speaker 2: seasons in forty five second chunks in between plane noise.
Speaker 2: Years went by. Let's not get a mansion in a
Speaker 2: flight path, then we shoot on a mansion on a
Speaker 2: canal on the Gold Coast. I'm not going to say
Speaker 2: that the jet ski owners of broad Beach Waters did
Speaker 2: their comrades any favors as far as the stereotypes around
Speaker 2: safe boating and the relationship that has to jet ski ownership,
Speaker 2: but let me tell you there was some Just hang on,
Speaker 2: please wait a second. Wow, let me ask you that
Speaker 2: again when you look at it, how do you feel
Speaker 2: trying to stop people? Don't answer the question just yet.
Speaker 2: You know, there's like five I think about it. Don't
Speaker 2: say anything passed on a Yamaha.
Speaker 1: Can I just say thank you so much for being
Speaker 1: so generous and coming out podcast and talking today. I
Speaker 1: absolutely have been in your audience from the minute you've
Speaker 1: stepped into the Australian zeitgeist of television, and I'll be
Speaker 1: there right to the end. I think you're an incredible performer.
Speaker 1: I think you're a fascinating man. And just before you go,
Speaker 1: I've read your book twice. I don't know, I'm not
Speaker 1: holding it up correctly. Read it twice and got different
Speaker 1: things out of it both times, so i'll probably read
Speaker 1: it again.
Speaker 2: That's very sweet of you. Thank you so much for
Speaker 2: your time, and I really appreciate it. Thank you so much.