WEBVTT - UNPACKED REALITY - AUSTRALIAN SURVIVOR - ELIMINATION CHAT 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.880 TV Reload, the podcast last Deep the Line. Hey guys, 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:07.880 welcome back to TV Reload. Thank you for clicking and downloading. 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:11.920 On today's episode with original Titan Viola, the sixth eliminated 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:14.960 contestant from this year's A Strand Survivor on Network ten, 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:17.720 I will be talking about her time in Samoa and 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:20.079 of course what she thinks now that the smoke has 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:23.320 well and truly been snuffed out on her torch. Australian 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:26.479 Survivor Titans Versus Rebels is a showdown that pits the 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.800 winners against the underdogs and the big wigs against the battlers, 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:33.000 with each player competing for the grand prize of half 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:36.800 a million dollars. Viola was originally from South Sudan and 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:39.440 moved to Australia when she was two years old. The 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:42.639 Powerlift and Strength coach made an easy choice for her 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:44.640 to be a part of the Titans team and on 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:48.279 the outset, Viola made a strong connection with fellow Titan Valeria, 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:52.159 gaining a power couple status with fellow castaways calling them 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:55.760 the two V's. They bonded with diplomat Mark, creating a 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:58.520 new trio, which Mark intended to use to break up 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:02.440 his original alliance, the Middle Aged Mafia. Their plan was 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:05.280 to eliminate Sweet Caroline first, but in the confusion of 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:09.160 the buff swap, sadly, Viola found herself blindsided when Caroline 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:12.279 led a preemptive strike against the three of them. Viola 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:15.200 will reveal how she was cast on Australian Survivor and 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:17.880 if being previously seen on the doghouse helped her with 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:21.080 the folks at Network ten. We will unpack that blind 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:23.319 side where we will find out if she thought Mark 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:25.920 was in fact a part of her demise, which we 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:29.119 will then find out if Viola wants her elimination revenged 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:32.440 by her remaining friends. I will ask Viola about how 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:35.000 Alex comes across in real life and what she thinks 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:38.280 of contestants like Aileen, Raymond and Scott who have been 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:41.160 getting a little less screen time. Plus, we will find 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:44.720 out why being malleable is important and why type bonds 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:47.920 with fellow contestants makes you an easy target. There is 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:50.560 so much to unpack with Viola and she is really 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:52.960 fun to chat too today, so sit back and relax 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:55.480 as we dive just that little bit deeper into the 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:58.800 world of Australian Survivor. I have to say to you 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:02.080 right off the bat, I'm so impressed with how humble 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:02.600 you were. 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:04.400 You know, you often see people that have. 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:08.160 Been eliminated, their tortures have been snuffed, and then they 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:10.160 have their little piece to camera and you can see 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:11.400 that they're so angry. 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:12.840 You were fantastic. 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:16.120 I think it just comes from a standpoint of like 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:19.000 game respects game. You know what I mean, hate the player, No, 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:22.640 don't hit the player. Sorry, don't hit the player. I 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:24.799 need the game. I think in a game like Survivor 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:27.200 and you when you know what everyone goes through and 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:28.959 you know the decisions they have to make on the 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:30.799 day to day, you can respect good gameplay in this 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.040 big shown. So I was like, listen, it is what 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:34.040 it is. Respect to you. 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:36.720 How did you treat the game of Australian Survivor. I mean, 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:40.160 what were your biggest influences when it came to taking 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:41.680 on this sort of a competition. 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:44.960 Yeah, so one of the biggest one was Shannie. I 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:48.880 think Shannis, like social gameplay, really just showed how important 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:52.240 that was over things like physical gameplay. It was being 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:53.880 really easy for me to go in and you know, 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:56.040 align the fact that I'd be decent a challenges and 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:57.600 think that's going to get me through. But I knew 0:02:57.639 --> 0:02:59.160 that wasn't going to do much for me in the 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:01.400 long term. So I knew how tulye more so on 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:03.840 finding a strong person that I could bind myself to 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:06.560 between market bell area. I think that strategy works really 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:08.280 well fish one, and I was prepared to follow a 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:10.600 similar gameplay, but I think I just should have put 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:12.079 a bit more strategy into it. 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:13.880 There is a lot of people that will do their 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:17.040 research before going in, and they'll watch specific players and 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:19.960 assume that that timeline will play itself out the same way, 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:23.120 where the game is different every single time, and then 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:27.360 you throw something like Titans versus Rebels, which by name alone, 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.000 you know they are going to throw things out of whack. 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:31.240 They're going to do things differently. 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:33.720 When I got onto that island right because I knew 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:35.800 why they selected me, but I didn't know who else 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:38.040 they selected. So I remember, we're all sitting around in 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:40.040 a cube circle. We just met each other. We just 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:42.280 sort of like assusting each other out, and one by 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:44.680 one every time is saying why are they're retired? And 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:46.760 what they do for work, and as I grew out 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:51.360 of the circle, I'm like, oh gee, I'm not a 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:54.240 bit really really really big pond. So I think the 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:57.360 Titans really were Titlands because of the soft they've done 0:03:57.400 --> 0:03:59.320 in life. At the same time, I think it put 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.400 me in such a interesting predicament where I was lucky 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:04.160 in the sense that everyone was the first time player, 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:06.520 but unlucky. And since that, I'm playing with players that 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:07.720 I used to be in the top of their game. 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:08.880 So I'm like, true. 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:10.840 I mean, there was a lot of chatter about you 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.920 being on another show, The Doghouse, and that was really 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:16.560 interesting because I was reading on the comments section last night. 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:19.599 People were wondering whether that was a little step into 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:22.600 television and did that help you get onto Australian Survivor. 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:24.960 I just assumed they were unrelated, but what can you 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:26.839 tell us about that so that I'm related? 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.040 Even when I got this was so funny, like I 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:31.640 didn't tell the Doghouse anything about Survivor because it's a 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:35.040 very close and confidential sort of thing, right, And like 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:36.560 I didn't know if I couldn't even tell them, So 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:38.400 I was like, listen, I'm not going to shoot myself 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:40.400 shoot my shot because I went to have a big mouth. 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:42.320 So I didn't tell the dog House anything about me 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:44.440 being a survivor, but I did manage a survivor that 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:46.840 I was in the Doghouse, and I think even with that, 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:48.440 when I got off the show, it was like, well, 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:50.840 a few weeks and then straight away, looking skinny as hell, 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:53.800 I was off to filming the Doghouse. So the two 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.720 shows they had like absolutely nothing to do with each other. 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:58.960 And it's so interesting everyone thinking that, like I had 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:02.560 this secret connection. I'm like, no, they's I just applied. 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:05.679 I applied and my person I spoke for yourself. 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.240 I just always think it's so funny because, like you know, 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:11.200 when we look at things, you know, we simplify and 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:12.919 we always believe we know something. 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:14.040 With the nature of the. 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:15.520 Way you could be cast on a show like a 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:17.680 strands of IVRN take part in a competition like this, 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:20.400 those two things seem very unrelated to me. But for 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.560 the untrained eye, they probably thought, well, it's spoke Channel ten. 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.000 It make guess, it makes sense. But I think what 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:29.479 the Doghouse did teach me in propressions, I guess was 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:32.240 the production side of things and like being aware that like, 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.960 oh my gosh, there's a reality of the actually shure 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:37.159 have been like you've really got to live through the conditions. 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:39.680 So I think it prepared me to not expect something. 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:41.640 So so whilst from what I was going into, I 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:43.320 think on top of that, it really taught me as 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:46.200 well about like the way you come across it comes 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:48.120 from the words that you say, treat people how you 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:49.839 would in your day to day and you'll be okay. 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:51.520 So I think that really helped me a lot. I 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:54.560 think The Doghouse gave a bit of parr and I'll 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:55.640 say what they gone to the show. 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:57.800 I thought you were going to say, I learned from 0:05:57.839 --> 0:05:59.919 the Doghouse if you sleep with dogs, you catch fleas. 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:01.479 Ye I'm bad. I'm not that bad. 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:03.880 No, no, no, no, no, I mean I think it's unrelated. 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:06.800 Quote Again, it's funny that you mentioned the conditions, because 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:08.680 it does seem like at this point of the competition 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:11.839 that the castaways are getting a little bit more conditioned 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:12.480 to the conditions. 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:14.719 I'd say, over time you could just. 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.800 Kind of accept you new reality, right, because like everything 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:20.440 that happens is everything that happens, You're almost happening the 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:22.680 outside world. So in many ways, you start to accept 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:24.000 it in things like, you know, the fact that your 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:25.680 back's always going to be crooked with you sleep, or 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:27.400 the fact that your stomach is always going to run more. 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.760 With some degree, I think after a while we accept it. 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:31.960 At the same time, it does get harder. When I 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.720 first got on Survivor, I was doing really confident. I 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:37.520 was like, Yeah, I've trained for this, like my exercises. 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:40.320 I'm a strength traditioning coach. I had this really big 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.200 ego that really got knocked out and humbled all the 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:45.240 reality of Survivor. Like I think when I got on 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:47.880 and I realized, oh my gosh, I'm actually losing strength. 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.920 I'm actually losing like body weight and whatnot. I'm not 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:53.880 as strong and confident in my capacity as I usually 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:55.760 would be. I think it humbled me to a degree 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:57.200 where I was like, I can't rely it on my 0:06:57.279 --> 0:06:59.480 fiscal strength, like I have to rely on my social way. 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:00.960 I have to run my she did to play because 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:02.279 that's going to deplete Yeah. 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:03.479 Well, I want to get into that in a second. 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:05.280 But I just was going to say, last night, Kelly 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:08.600 arrived back and was saying that she orchestrated Nathan's exit 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:11.400 from the show, which seemed like her kind of backpedaling 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:13.640 in a way, you know, trying to get out of 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:15.960 maybe what she didn't do while she was there. 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:17.760 What do you think of Kelly Boy? 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.560 I was having the sweetest dream of my life, like 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:23.840 I was back in Australia. I was like eating a 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:27.200 nice stack of barbecue ribs, and all of a sudden 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:29.320 I got work to not just killed the vibe for me. 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.000 So I think like the way Kelly entered was definitely 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.920 a shock, and to see her gameplay live now is 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:37.640 also a shock. I think she's a very interesting player, 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:39.760 and I haven't figured out her gameplay yet. It could 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:42.600 potentially make her last very, very long because people can 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.840 predict that unpredicted about unpredictable behavior of Kelly. 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:47.960 I think she's making good television, you know, at the 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:49.360 end of the day. She looks like one of those 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:50.640 people that you'd be like, I don't know if I 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:53.720 could live with you, but I'm entertained by the turbulence 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:57.040 that comes with someone's personality type that is so vastly 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:58.520 different from everybody else's. 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:01.680 She's definitely like the actually wrote a person I've ever met. 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:04.000 In many ways, Kelly can be misunderstood, and I think 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.200 unfortunately in a game of Survivor, I think it's one 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:08.640 of those places where she's most likely misunderstood. I think 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:11.520 in a different context, perhaps she has a very different 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:13.600 side that we don't know about. But I think Kelly 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:15.080 definitely made for really good TV. 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:17.160 Well. You know what's interesting though, because she was kicked 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:19.800 to the curb from the Rebels team, and so when 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:22.480 she returned, I thought it was quite unreasonable of them 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.800 to just assume that she would feed the information or 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:27.200 the truth back to them. You know. 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:29.880 I kind of felt like it seems strange that that's 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:30.720 what they wanted from her. 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:34.199 Perhaps they felt as though Ellie Kelly rode them. I 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.280 think at that point it was may be in like 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:38.360 a tipso tat, like Okay, yeah, but you did all 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:40.439 this so us this kind of information is you're not 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:43.120 justifying to feel hurt. But in saying that, yeah, you're 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:45.960 justifying to feel her, they like rejected you to that degree. 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:46.480 So I get it. 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:48.120 What I was going to ask you is, do you 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:50.040 think that the biggest players in the game, like a 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:53.000 Ferris and a Kirby should be more worried about some 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:54.720 of those sleeping giants in the background. 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.080 I mean Eileen and Scott and Raymond. 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:00.400 They're not getting a lot of airtime, but something is 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:03.280 making me feel like they're not just fodder for the 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:05.559 Kings and Queen of the show to eliminate. 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:09.679 Yeah. Like I dare say, I Lead is phenomenal player, 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:12.360 and I think her gameplay, if it's being low key, 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:14.360 I think it's working out really really well. I think 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.720 in the Revels trick those normal play is slack, straight up, 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:21.000 and I think the absolute luck of all of ending 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:23.280 in that kind of scenario after its private squall. I 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:25.160 don't know what kind of prayers they're making, but I 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:27.719 need to get a hold of that. But I think 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.360 that definitely is potential for someone like I Lead, especially 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:32.360 as well as Scott, but definitely I Lead also in 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.559 my Duke, to definitely make some big moves. But I 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.080 think it's one of those situations where time to help. 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:40.200 I think it's just going to see how that evolves. 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:41.719 But I do think they're going to need to sort 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:43.160 of watch them a little bit more than they are. 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:45.640 Last night, all the super fans were trying to pick 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:47.599 who is going to get the biggest blind side. I 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:49.240 don't know if you saw that on social media, but 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:51.720 you know the episode was being promoted as the biggest 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.719 blind side so far. You get to finally watch the 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:57.959 three hundred and sixty degree view of survivor by watching 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:01.240 the episode, what surprised you the most by the work 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.760 that was done behind the scenes that you didn't see 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:04.600 in SOMEOA. 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:08.720 What surprised me Caroline did surprise me? I think her 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:12.200 capacity to get the numbers and have short conversations, short 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:15.760 efficient as opposed to like long conversations where you tell 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:19.040 the entire pan and the backstory. I think her ability 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:22.920 to have short efficient conversations and switch Eden and switch Kitty. 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.079 I think that was really really impressive. I'm like, you 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:27.120 know what, that was well, Blade, respect to you, Like, 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:29.520 I definitely didn't see you coming at that speed of 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:32.800 that accuracy. So I think one hundred percent that surprised me. 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:35.800 And I think what surprised me was everyone's reasons for 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:37.840 coming on board with the plan. I think, for example, 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:40.079 I think Sarah mentioned in her confessional was because I 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:42.280 didn't share much information with her, which I'm like, you 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:46.280 know what, that's understandable. I get that because in my position, 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:48.560 I couldn't because I put a tag on my back. 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:50.280 But in your position, that puts a tag on your 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:52.640 back either way. So I get that, and the weirdest reason. 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:54.360 I get that. But I think for the most part, 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:56.920 everyone had sufficient reasons and I can respect it. I 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:59.120 don't think there was any sense of like, ah, I've 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:02.280 got to get further out or something I'm leading to 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:02.720 my character. 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:03.800 I mean, this is the thing. 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:06.199 I feel bad for Mark in a way because you know, Kitty, 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:08.440 Caroline and Eden, you know, they were all in an 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:11.000 alliance with Mark. Yeah, it was kind of interesting to 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.880 see them leaving him out of the conversation when it 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:17.439 came to them coming for your blind side. Do you 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.959 hope now that Mark is going to seek your revenge? 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:22.800 There's one thing that did are going to show, and 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:26.280 that's the depth of myself and Valves and Master relationship. 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:29.199 They don't show just how much we were like all 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:31.280 for each other. I think we all had an understanding 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:33.120 that we wouldn't turned on each other, and it was 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:35.400 up actually just Saul and we felt that this was 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:37.199 the lives I really counted in the long term for 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:39.960 the game. So I think definitely, like I'd be very 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:42.120 surprised if they did. Eventually, I think if that was 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:44.960 me in their shoes, I would not be satisfied until 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:46.800 someone goes home. So I think it'll be interesting to 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.400 see how it plays. But even when I got out, 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:52.319 I think there was so much like shock, or so 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:56.439 much it happens so quickly that you don't really realize 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:57.360 that you know what's happening. 0:11:57.640 --> 0:11:59.600 Knew that Mark had nothing to do with it, right, No. 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:02.319 So when I got off the show, I was I 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:04.360 was just reflecting. I was like, wait a minute, did 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:06.840 Mark betrate me like he did? Become very unclear because 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:08.600 I kind of conversations with people, so I'm like, I'm 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:10.200 not sure what happened. I was like, wait a. 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.280 Minute, but you feeling better about it now that you 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:13.120 know that Mark didn't. 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:16.320 Oh my lord, when I tell you the heart release. 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:18.079 Did you send him a Christmas present this year? 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:21.520 Well? Actually went a visited Mark, like I'll hung out 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.160 with I'm the very multiple times Marks in Busan I 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:26.240 went over and like met him and it's wife and whatnot. 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.400 So I think we have a very cirse relationship friendship 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:29.440 between all three of us. 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:31.680 And it works out shortly after a few drinks, then 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:33.679 he would have revealed that he had your back, right, 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:35.600 But I guess he's still you know, even when they 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:37.400 would tell you that in the real world, until you're 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:39.160 watch it on the television, till you watch you to 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:42.880 see how it happened, you'd still be slightly reserved. You know. 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:44.959 I think a lot of people have been talking about this, 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:47.320 and in the game of survivor any kind of alliance 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:49.800 that is super duper strong or a real connection that 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:52.199 is formed can be a bit of a weakness to 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:55.400 your game. And you with the two V alliance, does 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:58.360 that make you now wonder and second guess whether or 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.240 not it was a good idea for you to have 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:03.160 such a strong connection with Valeria. 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:05.640 Yeah, I felt as though at the time, at the 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:07.400 point in the game where me and Valeria were forming 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:09.600 our connection, it was a point in the game where 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.000 everyone was forming connections. You know, we've sort of broke 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:15.120 up into individual pairs and trios are based of the 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.400 betters we had. But for that reason, I felt as 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:20.160 though myself, even though me and I were very very close, 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:21.720 I felt as though it wasn't just something that should 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:24.240 be targeted is considering everyone had their own person in 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:27.160 their own regard. But I think looking back now, especially 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:29.839 seeing you know, Winner in Jaden's gameplay, where they're like 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:32.080 they're building to be malleable, I think it makes them 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:35.440 very flexible to player and very easy to align software. 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:37.880 You know that they're working in that best interest. So 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:40.440 I think in the future perhaps so considerate. I think 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:42.880 it just really depends on the characters that come across. 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:46.000 I think if I was recognize another version of Valeria 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:49.040 or someone else with like that kind of similarities, I 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.160 think be very difficult for me to not align myself 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:52.720 with them, But I think I'll definitely be a lot 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:54.880 more covert about the depth of their lives. 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:58.040 I think malleable is the word, isn't it Like isn't 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.680 that seems to be like the currency to keep yourself 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:02.480 in the game as long as you can, you know, 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:06.040 because you can't get stuck on a consistent you can't 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:08.960 stuck get stuck on one relationship. It is interesting, though, 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:11.240 because you've left two of your best friends behind in 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:13.520 the competition. I was curious to ask you about the 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:16.080 advice that you may have for Mark and for Valeria 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.200 now being left in the competition. What do you think 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:22.520 that they can do now to keep themselves be strong 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:22.960 in the game. 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:24.720 Well, I know about the both of them. I'm like, 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:27.760 they both be very passionate people. I think would be 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:29.520 very hard for them to just get over a boat 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:31.640 like this. But at the same time, they're both really 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:34.680 smart social base. I think they'll know to, you know, 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:36.760 tuck it away when the time is right, do what 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:38.360 you have to do. But now it's not the time. 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:40.960 So play the game, play the friend card, play the 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.400 O show you know what that's right on valuable? Go ahead, 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:45.000 talk up about me. If you need to throw an 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:47.040 your name under the bus, do what you need to 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:47.760 do and with a. 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:50.400 Time that's right attack interesting. It is interesting. 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:52.880 I think that's good advice. Though we always knew you 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:56.560 were a smart girl. How about Alex? You know Alex 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.120 is you know, he's got an interesting fan base that's 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:00.800 from behind the scenes. I think most of them are 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.560 people who are enjoying him in his speedos. But I'm 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:07.080 really curious to know about how Alex is being perceived 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:10.680 because he kind of is coming across as the goofy 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:14.080 outsider in a way, or is he playing a good game. 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:15.520 I'd love to know what you have to say about 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:17.200 Alex at this point of the competition. Yeah. 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:19.360 Yeah, So from the short time I spent with absolute 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:21.920 game versus what I'm seeing like being treated out in 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:24.800 front of me, I think my initial intuition about Alex 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.920 rescript in being that he is anyone by himself. He 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:29.920 will do what you need to do. He will really support, 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.360 He will sir struggle up if needed. As long as 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.200 it's not here, he will do what he has to do. 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:36.000 And you know what I do, you respect that? I 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.440 like respect that. I think, on the surface level, is 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:41.200 a very sociable player. You know, Kaneki has excuses can 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.200 draw from, but on the surface, if it's you, it'll 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:45.480 be you as well as it's not me. 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:46.280 Fair play. 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:48.560 I love the fact that people referred to Caroline as 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:52.840 sweet Caroline because she's nothing but sweet girl. And Kitty 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.040 you know as well, Like you know, both of those women, 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:58.800 they've got a very serious game play. That's that's going 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:00.480 on behind the scenes. But you know, you had a 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:02.720 relationship with them at some point. So I just was 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:06.240 curious about what exposed that fracture in the relationship you 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:08.760 had with those two women, because at one point it 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:10.640 did seem like you know, you were able to use 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:11.320 that friendship. 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:13.600 There was always a bit of weariness because you had 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:15.920 myself in vout, and then you have the New Age Mafia, 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.600 and then you had Mark trying to be the super 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:21.160 group that kept us together almost right, But there's always 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:23.680