Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
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Speaker 1: My name's Benjamin Norris, and on this podcast I go
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Speaker 1: streaming services. Today on the podcast, I have Angus and
Speaker 1: Claire from The Traders, and let me tell you, this
Speaker 1: chat brings you some serious tea from our first eliminated Traders.
Speaker 1: I for one, I'm loving Channel ten's new take on
Speaker 1: the whole Who Done It format in the reality TV space,
Speaker 1: and I hope listeners of TV Reload have given this
Speaker 1: show a go. The Traders, hosted by Roger Corsa, has
Speaker 1: been fascinating from day one as we watch a bunch
Speaker 1: of unknowns thrown into a mansion together to play a
Speaker 1: cunning game of Welling Murder meets Pluto, the board game.
Speaker 1: Angus from day one had viewers and fellow contestants talking
Speaker 1: about his likeness to Bradley Cooper, and no matter what
Speaker 1: he did or tried to hide, he never really escaped
Speaker 1: those comparisons or his place in the game. Claire, on
Speaker 1: the other hand, was someone to watch from the start,
Speaker 1: and while she was an intense player, I genuinely loved
Speaker 1: her energy and I'll be sad to see her go.
Speaker 1: We will talk eliminations, whether Angus likes that Bradley Cooper reference,
Speaker 1: who they both hold the most responsible for their exit,
Speaker 1: what they think this show says about society today, and
Speaker 1: who they think will win. However, let's get started with
Speaker 1: today's guest. I'd like to welcome Angus and Claire from
Speaker 1: The Traders to TV Reload.
Speaker 2: If Nigela maarielis ad voted with Traders, I'd still be
Speaker 2: in the game.
Speaker 1: Previously on The Traders, at the end.
Speaker 3: Of it, I am absolutely exhausted. He was going to
Speaker 3: keep coming on too Angers though.
Speaker 1: This is the problem.
Speaker 2: The people who play the game the hardest aren't actually
Speaker 2: playing the game the best. It's getting time for a
Speaker 2: Traders to go.
Speaker 4: Absolutely Mark with a question, because he is a very
Speaker 4: very dangerous player.
Speaker 1: If Clear does get the next Botu, she will be banished.
Speaker 4: Ill lie, I'll cheat and I'll love every minute of it,
Speaker 4: But when it actually came down to it, I couldn't
Speaker 4: actually do any of that.
Speaker 1: Hey, their angers. Thanks for coming on the podcast and
Speaker 1: talking about the Traders.
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me. Look and I'll talk all day.
Speaker 5: So what do you want to know? Ben?
Speaker 1: I want to know everything, but I guess we kind
Speaker 1: of have to start with something. How often have you
Speaker 1: been mistaken for Bradley Cooper in the real world?
Speaker 2: My friends say it, and a lot of people say it,
Speaker 2: but I actually pretended to be him one time, maybe
Speaker 2: eight years ago at Sydney Airport, and I pretended that
Speaker 2: I was method active and I ran these massy bruise
Speaker 2: and I got a big kick out of it.
Speaker 1: So did you manage to pull it off? So did
Speaker 1: you manage to convince whoever.
Speaker 5: Wasn't necessarily me? Convincing it was me? To start with?
Speaker 5: I was I was trying to say no.
Speaker 2: No, no, it wasn't me, But then they thought that
Speaker 2: that was perfect reflection.
Speaker 1: I would get you to do it as parties, because like,
Speaker 1: I don't know anyone, I don't think of it. I
Speaker 1: mean not that I know you personally, but I don't
Speaker 1: think anyone has a strong a likeness to a celebrity
Speaker 1: as you do.
Speaker 5: That's very kind, Thank you.
Speaker 2: Maybe I can be his when he doesn't want to
Speaker 2: go to parties, I can rock up for him.
Speaker 5: He's like, man, this red carpet's drag.
Speaker 1: You can drink his beers. That'd be great.
Speaker 5: I do like to drink of View on occasion.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if it's a compliment though. I
Speaker 1: mean I would say it's a compliment because I think
Speaker 1: Bradley Cooper's really hot. But for you, do you think
Speaker 1: it's a compliment?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Okay, take it.
Speaker 2: I think he's great and I've loved him in quite
Speaker 2: a few of the movies that he's been in, So yeah, mate,
Speaker 2: I'll take the accolade for sure.
Speaker 1: Can you sing the song though from A Star is Born?
Speaker 1: Have you been able to try and perfect that?
Speaker 2: They actually they passed legislation in twenty eleven and it
Speaker 2: was angus doaushout not sing in public, So.
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, across that off the list.
Speaker 1: We'll cross that off the list. Are you annoyed that
Speaker 1: you are the first trader to be banished from the show.
Speaker 2: I'm annoyed that I'm not still in the running, But
Speaker 2: at the same time, I'm I'm a pretty stoke dude, right,
Speaker 2: so I'll find the positive and all my situation. I
Speaker 2: go to cruise home and hang out, my sons go
Speaker 2: for a quick surf, So.
Speaker 1: Life is good.
Speaker 5: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: What did it feel like to say that in front
Speaker 1: of everyone? I mean, we cut to an ad break
Speaker 1: as it happened, but I just was so anxious for you,
Speaker 1: and I want to know what was going through your
Speaker 1: mind when you had to stand up and say in
Speaker 1: front of everyone that you were a trader.
Speaker 5: You know, the.
Speaker 2: Pressure builds right from the from the moment you walk
Speaker 2: on you're walking into the hotel, there's pressure mounting and
Speaker 2: mounting and mounting and mounting.
Speaker 5: You're mounting and.
Speaker 2: Getting to say that was like the ultimate plist, right.
Speaker 2: It just you could just let all of that pressure
Speaker 2: go and then just sail into the sunset.
Speaker 1: It was kind of a little bit of a devastating,
Speaker 1: devastating way, I should say, of you being eliminated from
Speaker 1: the competition. And I'm not saying that I would do
Speaker 1: this as a person, but did it ever cross your
Speaker 1: mind that you could or you might have been tempted
Speaker 1: to cook the whole experience and you know, call out
Speaker 1: certain people that were kind of your undoing.
Speaker 2: Look, I guess, I guess it crosses in your mind.
Speaker 2: But when you're a dad and you've got small boys
Speaker 2: and you've got a beautiful wife, you cannot not show integrity. Eventually,
Speaker 2: they'll watched the show, right, and they need to see
Speaker 2: their father is someone who says what he means and
Speaker 2: follows through with his convictions. So ruining an experience so
Speaker 2: many people is not something that I would want on
Speaker 2: my shoulder.
Speaker 1: I think that there's some other people out there in
Speaker 1: the world. I'm not saying you or me or anyone,
Speaker 1: but there's people at certain times in their life that
Speaker 1: would definitely be like, this isn't fair. It was you,
Speaker 1: and how dare you do this to me? You know,
Speaker 1: Like I think it was one of those moments. The
Speaker 1: thing that's interesting I would say for me is do
Speaker 1: you think that there is a fail safe for the producers? Like,
Speaker 1: is there a way that if someone was to go rogue,
Speaker 1: that they can jump in and stop that from happening? Like,
Speaker 1: do you think that the producers have the power to
Speaker 1: do that?
Speaker 2: Look, they hold ultimate power, right, or what could potentially
Speaker 2: happen is they show it, they show the meltdown, and
Speaker 2: they reshuffle to deack and then they start planning all
Speaker 2: over again.
Speaker 5: I don't think there'd be a huge in the end.
Speaker 2: It's not a huge problem, and I suspect that they
Speaker 2: had talked about that at length before going into the shop.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love this whole show because it's like my
Speaker 1: favorite game as a kid because I did drama school,
Speaker 1: was Wink Murder, and I kind of feel like this
Speaker 1: is a lot like Wing Murder. And then it's also
Speaker 1: been like my favorite board game, Pluto, So you know,
Speaker 1: I just I just think what a great concept was
Speaker 1: that some of the reasons why you decided you'd want
Speaker 1: to do this show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I'm I'm always up for a challenge with
Speaker 2: everything that I do, and this seemed like a fantastic
Speaker 2: opportunity to see what I'm made of? Did it to
Speaker 2: really dig deep into my constitution?
Speaker 5: Right? So yeah, I had a crack.
Speaker 1: Who do you hold the most responsible for your elimination?
Speaker 2: Obviously Mary l Right, Chloe was using her powers and
Speaker 2: at that point it's pure speculation, unfounded and in the
Speaker 2: in the room, no one was taking it all very seriously.
Speaker 2: Her speculative remarks.
Speaker 5: So look, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2: Maybe she started the snowball that was eventually ate me up,
Speaker 2: but no, it was Mariol.
Speaker 5: You didn't look at it.
Speaker 2: Mariel got Nigel herself, She gave Mark the energy, she
Speaker 2: got Craig the energy. And if you look at the
Speaker 2: numbers here, if Nigel and Mariel had voted with traders
Speaker 2: as they said that they were going to do, and
Speaker 2: that was for Theresa, I'd still be in the game,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: I just this is the one thing that was going
Speaker 1: over my mind. I'm like, the numbers were there for
Speaker 1: you to be safe, you know, And I just thought
Speaker 1: the dissension that was there just was was so brutal.
Speaker 1: But I guess you've got to be a forward player,
Speaker 1: and I guess you have to admire the fact that
Speaker 1: you know, she for whatever reason, looked at the landscape
Speaker 1: and thought this was an inevitable situation and it was
Speaker 1: going to only better her game to really throw you
Speaker 1: under that bus. So have you spoken to her? And
Speaker 1: do you do you wish any harm upon her?
Speaker 2: I might have to dunk her like a dunked Nigel, Mate, No,
Speaker 2: I'm absolutely not. She's She's not how I would have
Speaker 2: played the game. But I mean everybody's there with one
Speaker 2: with one reason, right, and it's and it's to get
Speaker 2: to the end and to win, and for some people
Speaker 2: winning men the money, for some people winning that, to
Speaker 2: stand upon that podium as the first traders are big
Speaker 2: up right, So that's that's what you're looking to do,
Speaker 2: and there's no love lost.
Speaker 1: Do you think some people are cast because they already
Speaker 1: seem pretty untrustworthy? Because I'm watching the first episode and
Speaker 1: it certainly felt like some people were cast for you
Speaker 1: to already question whether or not they were telling you
Speaker 1: the truth. I mean, Claire's a great example of it.
Speaker 1: She looks like she could be a business woman, and
Speaker 1: then she's like, I'll work as a checkout cheek, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'd be like straight away you But do you
Speaker 1: think that there was a lot casting in that regard
Speaker 1: to make sure that the viewers and yourselves were already
Speaker 1: feeling pretty uneasy about everyone?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they're not. They're not going to cast twenty
Speaker 2: four loaves of bread, are they. We're all very uniquely
Speaker 2: interesting people.
Speaker 6: So every what I took into it was No one
Speaker 6: just got here by accident, right, Everybody was here for
Speaker 6: a specific reason, And if someone has a vanilla backstory,
Speaker 6: it's probably bullshit.
Speaker 1: There are a few loads of bread in there, though,
Speaker 1: there's a few people in there. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they're saving them for later episodes.
Speaker 2: But me here, Benjamin, this is gonna comet. This is
Speaker 2: going to come back and bite it.
Speaker 1: This is this is how we end up on the
Speaker 1: Daily Mail. Is a couple of our souls talking about
Speaker 1: people being loads of bread. No, we're just being honest
Speaker 1: about the situation. And there is a certain level of uh.
Speaker 1: Some people flying under the radar?
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, well it seemed like that now, but I
Speaker 2: suspect that that be what it's like later.
Speaker 7: Some people start the game with they have they're making
Speaker 7: a bline of the top ten, right, and so whilst
Speaker 7: whilst it might look like they're flying under the radar, now,
Speaker 7: that's not their intention.
Speaker 5: What I guess there's a.
Speaker 2: Ten pack, right, it's yeah.
Speaker 5: I can't help myself. I'm a loud mouth.
Speaker 2: I laugh and I do whatever I can to enjoy myself,
Speaker 2: and which means that I could never fly under the
Speaker 2: radar in anything that I did.
Speaker 1: I just thought you were a great television from day one.
Speaker 1: You were someone who stood out for me, and I
Speaker 1: think it would have been the case had you been
Speaker 1: a faithful or had you been a trader. I think
Speaker 1: that that's just the nature of your personality, and being
Speaker 1: true to yourself on television is the currency that makes
Speaker 1: us as a viewer, you know, like you, Oh, thank you.
Speaker 1: I have to ask, how has watching this show been it?
Speaker 1: After waiting to see it for so long and then
Speaker 1: to finally watch it, what has that experience been like
Speaker 1: seeing a fairly true and accurate portrayal of what went
Speaker 1: down during filming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say, look, there has to be certain
Speaker 2: edits right. You can't follow every storyline. It's like all
Speaker 2: the tributaries of the Amazon, right. There are just so
Speaker 2: many different things going on at so many times, so
Speaker 2: many different side chats and alliances, and the director's producers,
Speaker 2: they have a very hard time picking the storyline that
Speaker 2: makes the most sense.
Speaker 5: And they did a very good job of depicting the
Speaker 5: energy that was in the room.
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure what they discussed, but I feel
Speaker 2: as though they based a storyline on where the energy
Speaker 2: was at and so far, they've done a very very
Speaker 2: good job.
Speaker 1: I can imagine it may change the way you think
Speaker 1: about people that were there watching the show back, like
Speaker 1: getting the different point of view now that you're watching
Speaker 1: it as a viewer, and I guess you're not there
Speaker 1: for every conversation, not there for every chat seems to happen,
Speaker 1: So you know, watching it back probably gives you a
Speaker 1: different perspective. Is there anyone that's really blown your mind
Speaker 1: that you're like, Wow, that person was not what I expected.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think, and it's actually quite difficult to
Speaker 2: not use the power of hindsight retro fit what you
Speaker 2: know now to what you were thinking back then, because
Speaker 2: I can say I can sit here with you today
Speaker 2: then and say, no, everybody I picked everybody.
Speaker 5: I knew exactly what.
Speaker 2: Was going on, and these things happened, and that thing happened,
Speaker 2: and I knew all about it. But in reality.
Speaker 5: It's not the case.
Speaker 2: And I'm actually finding it hard to think what I
Speaker 2: was feeling back in those shows because it's just so
Speaker 2: much going on.
Speaker 1: Would you recommend your friends and other people going on
Speaker 1: the show if it rolls into a season two.
Speaker 5: Yes, one hundred percent. In the fat, indefatigably.
Speaker 2: It was such a cool experience, from just the other
Speaker 2: contests to meeting all these cool people I don't know
Speaker 2: murdering people for fun in the middle of the night
Speaker 2: as part of a game Mate.
Speaker 5: Look, I would.
Speaker 2: Say, anybody, anybody who really loves gameplay and running a
Speaker 2: bit of a ruse, get in there and have a
Speaker 2: crack it. It's not only it's the most watchable TV
Speaker 2: at the moment, it was also a hell of a
Speaker 2: hell of a lot of fun to play.
Speaker 1: I think also putting yourself into these social experiments helps
Speaker 1: you learn about yourself in a way. You know, every
Speaker 1: time I've ever done a show like this, I always
Speaker 1: walk at with a sort of a different take on myself.
Speaker 1: Or you know, I've learned a little bit about myself
Speaker 1: that I've either wanted to change for the better, or
Speaker 1: I've given myself a pat on the back for having
Speaker 1: those you know, personality traits. What did you learn about
Speaker 1: yourself from such an unusual social experiment.
Speaker 2: I learned that I'm I'm a family guy. I'm a
Speaker 2: definite family guy. Family means way more to me than
Speaker 2: what I thought that it actually did. I love everything
Speaker 2: I love just hanging around my family in our house,
Speaker 2: but I didn't realize how much I needed their support.
Speaker 6: I've always seen myself as a bit of a lone
Speaker 6: wolf that I can get through anything on my own,
Speaker 6: I don't need anyone. But what I found is that
Speaker 6: I do truly cherish the relationships that I have with
Speaker 6: my family and how much support that they're able.
Speaker 2: To provide me.
Speaker 1: You know, these shows, as I was saying, is so
Speaker 1: enjoyable to watch because they're amazing psychological tests. You know,
Speaker 1: they're great social experiments. What do you think that this
Speaker 1: show says about us in twenty twenty two?
Speaker 2: This is going to be another one. People act like
Speaker 2: they act mate. It's most of the time, the things
Speaker 2: that we do and.
Speaker 5: Decide, I'm based on logic, it's just emotion.
Speaker 2: I feel as though on the show people were just
Speaker 2: voting out people that just didn't really like No, it
Speaker 2: wasn't in I'm not saying that people didn't like me,
Speaker 2: but maybe I was the first person that was voted
Speaker 2: out logically, since from the very start, right, we're.
Speaker 6: Humans at the end of the day, and humans build
Speaker 6: communities around them based off people that they like and
Speaker 6: people that they that are useful, right, And it sounds a.
Speaker 2: Little bit gnarly to say that, but really we're we're
Speaker 2: looking up for ourselves.
Speaker 5: We're self serving.
Speaker 1: And more so than everyone you know in the real
Speaker 1: world as well, which is why these shows to me always,
Speaker 1: you know, fascinate me. But we're gonna we'll take a
Speaker 1: different direction and ask you the most important question today.
Speaker 1: Did you get to keep your murder suit your cloak?
Speaker 1: And people have been asking me do you get to
Speaker 1: keep those really fun track suits that you did the
Speaker 1: challenges in?
Speaker 5: So that's affirmative on the track suit.
Speaker 2: Oh look, I want to keep that tracksuit for the
Speaker 2: rest of my life, even though it's like five sizes
Speaker 2: too small.
Speaker 5: No, I'm just thinking of the perfect opportunity.
Speaker 2: To wear it out in public and rouse some some hysteria.
Speaker 1: It's the perfect opportunity for you to go as yourself
Speaker 1: to Halloween. People be like they're like, they'll be like, oh, sorry,
Speaker 1: I've never met you before, but I'll be like, you know,
Speaker 1: that is the best angus costume I've ever seen.
Speaker 5: Stranger than fiction, mate, who do.
Speaker 1: You think is So that's a negative to the murder suit, though,
Speaker 1: to the cloak, the the eyes wide shut outfit.
Speaker 2: Just between you and I, Ben, I'm making some inquiries.
Speaker 1: Some role play for the missus at home fabulous. We
Speaker 1: need to know who do you think is going to
Speaker 1: win the show? And this is not what you know now.
Speaker 1: I want to know what you thought walking out of
Speaker 1: the experience when you did, who you thought was going
Speaker 1: to take this competition out?
Speaker 2: I thought that it will.
Speaker 5: There'll be two people at at the end. There'll be
Speaker 5: able normal, not that everyone's not normal.
Speaker 2: That's mean a lovable, just salt of the earth kind
Speaker 2: of person. And there's and someone who's playing the game hard.
Speaker 2: And I would suspect that I would hope that that's
Speaker 2: Lewis and Craig.
Speaker 1: So playing out those character dynamics. Who do you think
Speaker 1: should win though? The person who plays the hardest game
Speaker 1: or who plays with the biggest heart.
Speaker 2: That's a good question. Look, the people who play the
Speaker 2: game and the hardest aren't actually playing the game the
Speaker 2: best you think of any sport. The person who's charging
Speaker 2: and not being strategic, they might get some early wins, right,
Speaker 2: but they're potentially not going to last at the distance.
Speaker 5: And I think that that's what goes on here.
Speaker 2: So we had a few players go out early, Justine
Speaker 2: Sandra Middy.
Speaker 5: If they had not been so vocal and talked about.
Speaker 2: How good they are at this kind of thing, they
Speaker 2: probably still be in the game, you know, they if
Speaker 2: they played a different a slightly different strategy. So those
Speaker 2: that play the game the hardest usually get out, get
Speaker 2: kicked out pretty early. And this is this is typical
Speaker 2: of any show like this, right, So it'll be someone
Speaker 2: who is cruising through and building really strong relationships and
Speaker 2: at the same time being vindictive and treacherous, because that's
Speaker 2: what the game is all about. Right.
Speaker 1: I like the game players, you know, But then I
Speaker 1: also like the merge of both of those things. I
Speaker 1: think the merge between both of those being that they
Speaker 1: weren't somebody who completely sat by and did nothing, and
Speaker 1: that they were being truthful people who are being genuinely
Speaker 1: and authentically themselves playing the game in a way that
Speaker 1: is transparent.
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's well, that's that's how we want to
Speaker 2: That's how I'd like to live my life. I am.
Speaker 2: I'm very transparent person. If if I'm I'm saying something,
Speaker 2: it's exactly what I'm thinking. It's a it's a harder
Speaker 2: route a harder route to be to be transparent open
Speaker 2: like that, because you actually have to work on yourself
Speaker 2: and what what your sort of moral compass looks like,
Speaker 2: and what what you believe in. You can't just make
Speaker 2: a make of facade right and have an exterior. You
Speaker 2: actually have to if you're a transparent and open person,
Speaker 2: you need to to be actively working on yourself as
Speaker 2: human being.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I think we're evolving as well. So when
Speaker 1: you hear people say, oh, I'm a work in progress,
Speaker 1: You're like, no shit. You know, I think that we
Speaker 1: all have to because things change, you know, society changes,
Speaker 1: you know, things happen in our lives. We have to evolve,
Speaker 1: and you know, there isn't one rule on how to
Speaker 1: live your life. Otherwise you know that book would be
Speaker 1: able to be a best seller and we'd all be
Speaker 1: living it.
Speaker 5: So I heard a quote I can't remember.
Speaker 2: I can't remember it was, but it was, Look, I'm
Speaker 2: under no illusion to be the same person that I
Speaker 2: was yesterday. No, I'm not onder no illusion.
Speaker 5: I'm I've messed it up. No, no, what you mean.
Speaker 1: Though I've heard that one before, it's a good one.
Speaker 1: I'm under no delusion. Maybe it is or I know
Speaker 1: the pot Anyone that's listening to this knows that knows
Speaker 1: exactly what you're trying to say. And I think you're
Speaker 1: making a very good point. And I think that's very true.
Speaker 1: I think it's very true. You know, mate, everyone who
Speaker 1: joins the podcast, I asked them this question, what is
Speaker 1: something from behind the scenes, something that we won't see,
Speaker 1: something of maybe a behind the scenes secret from your
Speaker 1: time on the Traders.
Speaker 2: Good question, behind the scenes. Yeah, okay, Well on the
Speaker 2: first on the very first episode, I have never gone
Speaker 2: so long without coffee since I was about five years old. Mate.
Speaker 2: It was I was eight hours d and I look,
Speaker 2: I'm not a junkie, but I'm jack don caffeine most
Speaker 2: of the time, and I was struggling. I had had
Speaker 2: a coffee in so long, and I just really wanted one.
Speaker 5: And well, there you go.
Speaker 1: I love it. As you tell me that story, I
Speaker 1: am also jacked on coffee. I absolutely, I absolutely loved
Speaker 1: watching on the show. I think you were such a
Speaker 1: fantastic contribution to the show. I think you should be
Speaker 1: very proud of yourself. And it was such a it
Speaker 1: was such a joy to be able to have this
Speaker 1: chat with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you say, I'd love to take his chat off
Speaker 2: line and hang out.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for the chat today was fantastic
Speaker 1: and some amazing answers. And good luck with it after
Speaker 1: the show. You know, keep watching. Hi Claire, thank you
Speaker 1: for coming on the podcast.
Speaker 3: You're welcome. I'm You're welcome.
Speaker 1: I have a really really strange thing to start off
Speaker 1: the podcast with. But do you think that Roger Corsa
Speaker 1: finally looked comfortable in last night's episode? I mean, who
Speaker 1: knew he just needed a black tie and a dry martini?
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, I tell you what he is. Truthfully,
Speaker 4: he's like such a nice guy.
Speaker 3: I like some of his outfits.
Speaker 4: He's kind of like it's quite funny, especially with the
Speaker 4: old hunting horn blower.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, he was very relaxed last night.
Speaker 4: But do you know what, he was so kind. He
Speaker 4: actually kind of like looked at me and whispered to me.
Speaker 4: When I got banished, he goes, are you okay? And
Speaker 4: that to me was just it just meant so much
Speaker 4: because yes, he's presenting the show, but he's also human
Speaker 4: and he can see all our reactions as well, and
Speaker 4: that to me was just beautiful.
Speaker 1: Well, you played a very interesting role in this series,
Speaker 1: as you immediately had question marks on your head, you
Speaker 1: know from episode one.
Speaker 4: I know absolutely, you know, I never ever perceived that
Speaker 4: people would not actually, like, you know, believe what I did.
Speaker 3: I went onto the show to kind of like prove
Speaker 3: that no matter where.
Speaker 4: You are in life, no matter what you do in life,
Speaker 4: you know, you can stretch yourself to do something that
Speaker 4: might be outside your comfort zone. And that's why I
Speaker 4: went on the show. Never judge a book by its cover.
Speaker 1: You just don't look like a check out, and not
Speaker 1: to be disrespectful to the industry a fine at all,
Speaker 1: you know. And added to that, I also I'm sure
Speaker 1: that your employer just thinks the world of you, because
Speaker 1: if you were working for me, I would be I
Speaker 1: would be absolutely thrilled. I just think you were cast
Speaker 1: to get people questioning you from the start with such a.
Speaker 3: Maybe mind you. My boss had said to me, you know,
Speaker 3: because when I turn up.
Speaker 4: In my my work outfit, he says, you could wear
Speaker 4: this clare if you want to.
Speaker 3: Like shots from the show, But you know what, you're
Speaker 3: dead right, you know, I mean, I think, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Was on a show with people who were used to
Speaker 4: probably wearing designer clothes and one thing like that, like
Speaker 4: I walk on the show.
Speaker 3: And to be honest with you, you.
Speaker 4: Know that that initial cocktail like fit, the black dress
Speaker 4: I borrowed off a friend, the necklace I borrowed off
Speaker 4: a friend, The shoes were from Kmart, and the.
Speaker 3: Jacket I got a knob shop. So, I mean, I
Speaker 3: never ever pretend to be anyone I'm not, And it's.
Speaker 4: Quite surprising how it was perceived in that way, thinking
Speaker 4: that I was actually more than what I was.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was actually a massive compliment, huge compliment.
Speaker 1: You were my favorite from the start. I just related
Speaker 1: to the faces that you would pull and some of
Speaker 1: the things that you would say.
Speaker 4: Do you know what, I think there's someone busy thing
Speaker 4: good around that lions.
Speaker 3: You don't remember saying it.
Speaker 4: I was one day when I was nervous or something
Speaker 4: and I said, oh my god, I've got the Collie wobbles. No,
Speaker 4: apparently that's a word that that's not readily used, surprisingly enough,
Speaker 4: and now there's a few things going on about Collie
Speaker 4: wobbles all the time now. Yeah, like facial expressions for me,
Speaker 4: you know, like I'm pretty see through, to be honest,
Speaker 4: So if you could see me getting a bit angry,
Speaker 4: which you know, I kind of was in Treator's tower
Speaker 4: after Angus was voted out.
Speaker 3: That's the true me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you will see my emotions quite clearly on my face.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, you played a few cards that were based around
Speaker 1: your emotions and opened up a can of Worm's me
Speaker 1: and that was do you think being emotional is a negative?
Speaker 1: You know? Do you think in the real world being
Speaker 1: emotional is a bad thing?
Speaker 3: No, you know what I think. I don't think there's
Speaker 3: actually enough of it.
Speaker 4: We're in society now where you know, we're expected to,
Speaker 4: you know, like do this, do that. And I was saying,
Speaker 4: like the supermarket, you know, I recently lost a very
Speaker 4: very dear friend, you know, and I struggled to work
Speaker 4: that day. But people knew me and they knew my friend,
Speaker 4: and it was accepted. Whereas I think in today's generation,
Speaker 4: you know, you're almost expected to just get on with life.
Speaker 4: And I'm afraid that the emotional side of it is
Speaker 4: just disregarded as being weak, and it's really not. It's
Speaker 4: shown that you've got heart, it's shown that you've got empathy.
Speaker 4: And I think for a person who has heart and
Speaker 4: empathy and actually gives the stuff about other people. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I think that's more important in life than being so
Speaker 4: stoic that you have no feelings left whatsoever.
Speaker 1: I love everything that you just said then, and I
Speaker 1: think that it's true because I think we do put
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on ourselves sometimes to be stoic,
Speaker 1: and I think it's I think, what a waste of time,
Speaker 1: because we've got all this emotion inside of us that
Speaker 1: needs to be let out.
Speaker 5: You know what.
Speaker 4: It's more exhausting trying to hold emotions in, like like
Speaker 4: when you've led it like last night for instance, you know,
Speaker 4: like I mean, I am absolutely like reliving every single
Speaker 4: moment of that banishment, and by the time of it,
Speaker 4: like at the end of it, I am absolutely exhausted
Speaker 4: from the emotional like like release. Yeah, okay, but do
Speaker 4: you know what, I had the best night sleep. I
Speaker 4: have the absolute best night sleep. Because when you hold
Speaker 4: emotions in, it just builds and it builds, and then
Speaker 4: what happens You don't release it slowly in a way
Speaker 4: that is beneficial. You actually kind of like build it,
Speaker 4: build it, build it until it comes just an explosion,
Speaker 4: and then it doesn't release in a very nice.
Speaker 1: Do you think that, you know, the other two, the
Speaker 1: other two traders and very correctly titled traders, should have
Speaker 1: stuck to just voting out the faithful? How dark are
Speaker 1: you now on their deception?
Speaker 4: Okay, look, we had a plan. The plan was certain
Speaker 4: traders towers. You know, we had numbers. There was four
Speaker 4: of us, and then all of a sudden it got flipped.
Speaker 4: And I had no idea that that was happening. I
Speaker 4: had no idea that Nigel was voting the same as Marielle,
Speaker 4: even though you know, I'd had conversations with them, neither
Speaker 4: of them.
Speaker 3: So I can only.
Speaker 4: Assume that I think Marielle was pretty stuck on that's
Speaker 4: what she was doing, and that was it, you know,
Speaker 4: but I think probably Nigel was a bit on the fence.
Speaker 4: Now then, the only way that these two can actually
Speaker 4: survive now, I believe, is by sticking together. They have
Speaker 4: no choice in now, otherwise they're going to get picked
Speaker 4: off very quickly.
Speaker 1: Well, we just got to see a little bit of
Speaker 1: a tease for what's going to happen next, and they're
Speaker 1: going to possibly have the choice of bringing in a
Speaker 1: new trade. You know, I can't imagine them not picking Mark.
Speaker 1: I think Mark is the only option for the two
Speaker 1: of them. I mean, who if you'd been left behind
Speaker 1: with say Nigel or Marielle, who would you have thought?
Speaker 3: Mark?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Mark, without a question, because he is a very very.
Speaker 3: Dangerous player at the math. Yeah, okay, and you the only.
Speaker 4: Way to take him off the table is to actually
Speaker 4: bring him in with you. So if I had to
Speaker 4: pick someone, it would definitely be Mark without a doubt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to kick the TV if it doesn't
Speaker 1: If it doesn't happen, I'd be like, these these people
Speaker 1: are stupid. And I was thinking about it this morning.
Speaker 1: I was thinking, the only other option, or the only
Speaker 1: other thing that might confuse them is to bring some
Speaker 1: dead weight in, to have someone eliminated next to sort
Speaker 1: of give them more time.
Speaker 4: I felt like that would be yeah, yeah, that would
Speaker 4: be another good play to actually bring someone who is
Speaker 4: already been suspected as a traitor. So then that way
Speaker 4: you're going to actually extend your stay in Trader's towers.
Speaker 4: But I think Traders should have stuck together to the
Speaker 4: end and played it that way. But then again, there's
Speaker 4: still there I'm not so maybe I'm playing.
Speaker 3: The wrong game. Here's I'm layout.
Speaker 4: But look, you know, I think Marinelle has got a
Speaker 4: good game play happening. It wouldn't be the way that
Speaker 4: I played, you know, I don't, I can't.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I went on the show originally and I said, when
Speaker 4: I got pick to the trader, you know, I said,
Speaker 4: you know, I'll lie, I'll cheat, and I'll love every
Speaker 4: minute of it. But when it actually came down to it,
Speaker 4: I couldn't actually do any of that. So because it
Speaker 4: was just wasn't in me. So whereas I think Mary.
Speaker 1: Elle cat it's going to sound like a cop out,
Speaker 1: but I think, you know, the nice thing to say
Speaker 1: and the right thing to say to you is that
Speaker 1: I think you've already won. You know, a competition like
Speaker 1: this is not always about the taking it out and
Speaker 1: being the winner. I think a competition like this and
Speaker 1: taking part in something like this is to learn about
Speaker 1: your self. And I think that's a really powerful thing
Speaker 1: that you reminded probably yourself of who you are. But
Speaker 1: also you did hold other people watching the show, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think about that's a win. You know, you
Speaker 1: can spend the money and being a winner of something
Speaker 1: I don't know it wears thin after a while, so
Speaker 1: I think I can.
Speaker 3: I think I am.
Speaker 4: There was a couple Look, there was a couple of
Speaker 4: messages that I wanted to put across, like you know,
Speaker 4: when I was in the show. One was the fact,
Speaker 4: you know, like I said, I do work in the supermarket.
Speaker 4: I work in the supermarket because I choose to because
Speaker 4: it actually suits my lifestyle at the moment.
Speaker 3: I've got two children with disabilities.
Speaker 4: Okay, so you know I am qualified to work as
Speaker 4: a teacher's aid, but I chose not to do that
Speaker 4: because my children needed me more. Okay, and especially with
Speaker 4: the eldest woman she started high school. That's when I
Speaker 4: stopped doing that. You know, I have strength to realize that.
Speaker 4: You know, yes, I am more than just a person
Speaker 4: who works in a supermarket.
Speaker 3: But I absolutely love my job because I get to
Speaker 3: meet people every single day. I get to be part
Speaker 3: of an amazing community.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: I'm a very very open book. I am a recovering
Speaker 4: alcoholic as well. I've now been sober for four years.
Speaker 4: Prior to that, I was sober for twenty years and
Speaker 4: then unfortunately, one small slip put me back on the.
Speaker 3: Roller coaster for two years.
Speaker 4: So I've got a lot of strength underneath that a
Speaker 4: lot of people don't know about me from the show,
Speaker 4: but advocating the fact that you can go through a
Speaker 4: lot of things in your life, and you can be
Speaker 4: put down through a lot of things in your life,
Speaker 4: but you know what, if there's something that you want
Speaker 4: to go for, you have to go for it.
Speaker 1: I just think that that's so brave of you to
Speaker 1: share that story, because it takes courage to be truthful.
Speaker 1: I guess about our what's in all paths. Opening up
Speaker 1: and sharing that story is just you know, it'll resonate
Speaker 1: people need to hear ye that. I guess we're all
Speaker 1: struggling in a way, and we've all got our own thing,
Speaker 1: and so much of this world, I've spent of my
Speaker 1: life thinking, oh, everyone's having a better time than me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I think that's a
Speaker 1: really silly way to look at things, because I think
Speaker 1: we're all in this together, and I think we're all
Speaker 1: trying to get over something and it's important to tell
Speaker 1: important to share your story is what it is.
Speaker 4: It is important, and I think you know, it's important
Speaker 4: to know that there is always someone there that can
Speaker 4: help you there's or someone there that has strength, okay,
Speaker 4: and doing this show for me was proof to me
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 3: Number One, Oh my god, I stayed in a luxury
Speaker 3: hotel for goodness. I've never done that in my entire life, Okay.
Speaker 4: And you know, I did something that was on a
Speaker 4: bucket list of mine and I intend to fill every
Speaker 4: single bucket that I've got on my list. Okay, I'm
Speaker 4: not going to go out of this world. But not
Speaker 4: filling every single bucket on that list that was one
Speaker 4: thing as well, but more importantly, you know, to test me,
Speaker 4: to test my brain, to test what I was actually
Speaker 4: capable of as well, was so important for me. And
Speaker 4: I believe, like you said, I believe I have one
Speaker 4: and I believe I achieved everything I want to do
Speaker 4: on that show. I didn't need, you know, the silver
Speaker 4: at the end, although it would have been pretty handy,
Speaker 4: but at the end of.
Speaker 1: The day, it'll go yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, what are you going to do with it?
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: That's like emotionally and growth wise and one thing another. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I feel that personally, it's been an absolute winner for me.
Speaker 3: You know, I would love for other people to experience that.
Speaker 1: Do you think the faithfuls have got this now as
Speaker 1: the tables have totally turned.
Speaker 4: I think there's the way that it's flipping and flopping.
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, me, I have no idea. I mean,
Speaker 4: Mark Mak's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Hey, he's so great. I have to say that. I
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a man or a woman.
Speaker 1: Sometimes when I walk out of the room, like quickly
Speaker 1: go and get a cup of tea in the kitchen,
Speaker 1: and then I can hear the talking and I get
Speaker 1: him get his voice a little bit confused. But I've
Speaker 1: had people told me that as well, like whenever he
Speaker 1: stands to the phone and home as a kid, like
Speaker 1: in my teenage years, everyone immediately thought it was my mum.
Speaker 3: That's so funny that he's such a nice guy.
Speaker 4: It's like, seriously, all all of the players intraders like that.
Speaker 4: They're all really really great people. Yeah, and we're all
Speaker 4: so different. The diversity in that room is massive, is massive,
Speaker 4: So I just think it's great. I mean Craig Craig,
Speaker 4: for instance, you know, outstanding gentlemen, absolutely outstanding, you know,
Speaker 4: and then you've got Theresa and who one line has
Speaker 4: kept us like you know, she'd come out with these
Speaker 4: funny things like it would keep us going sometimes, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean?
Speaker 3: And it's just Nigel, Oh his backstory. You know, we
Speaker 3: knew nothing about that.
Speaker 4: So there is some amazing people in that room, seriously,
Speaker 4: and what a great show. What an amazing show. And
Speaker 4: you see snippets of all of us like all of
Speaker 4: the time, you.
Speaker 1: Know which is which is amazing? There is one person
Speaker 1: sitting there though, is this the elephant in the room
Speaker 1: or we allowed to talk about this person? But whenever
Speaker 1: where you're at the council or whatever that's called. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're all sitting around the room, there's one man
Speaker 1: that's always sitting there that's never had any screen time?
Speaker 1: Is he flying under the radar? Is he a producer?
Speaker 1: Or is he? Who is that man?
Speaker 3: But I'm not going to comment on that. You'll have
Speaker 3: to wait and see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we don't. No spoilers, no spoilers at all.
Speaker 3: It's not going to give you anything.
Speaker 1: Do you think that the who do you think they're
Speaker 1: going to pick first though? Out of Marielle or Nigel?
Speaker 1: Do you reckon that they're going to get whose case
Speaker 1: are they going to get on to first? You reckon?
Speaker 4: You know, what Nigel is so far under the radar
Speaker 4: at the moment, nobody, no, nobody has.
Speaker 3: Even brought Nigel's name up. Have you noticed?
Speaker 4: Not even conversations, nothing like if it's going the way
Speaker 4: that it's been going. So I'm now I can probably
Speaker 4: saying Mariel because I haven't even hear Nigel's name being
Speaker 4: brought up in a single conversation with even a haint
Speaker 4: of putting the boat on him.
Speaker 3: At the moment, he is playing such an awesome game.
Speaker 1: A little bit kookie as well. Yeah, who do you
Speaker 1: think who do you think is going to win? Not
Speaker 1: who you think you might know now, but more when
Speaker 1: you've left the competition, who did you think was going
Speaker 1: to win?
Speaker 3: Do you want my honest truth on this?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I really do, I actually have.
Speaker 4: This is the honest truth this point in time. I
Speaker 4: have no idea because that game is flipping so much,
Speaker 4: and that is the honest truth. It could just go
Speaker 4: any twelve ways at the moment because it is changing,
Speaker 4: not just day to day, that game changed hour to hour,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, especially on that last day
Speaker 4: and like that my last day there, that that game
Speaker 4: just changed literally hour by hour.
Speaker 3: So that's the honest truth, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm loving I'm loving this show a little bit too much.
Speaker 1: I think I was saying yesterday to angers, I think
Speaker 1: it's my love of Wink Murder as a kid and
Speaker 1: the board game Cludo. I'm like, yeah, I just I
Speaker 1: don't know. And I like the silliness of you know,
Speaker 1: who are going to murder tonight? I mean, you're not
Speaker 1: really going to murder anyone, but you know, just the
Speaker 1: silliness of it is is quite fun for me. But
Speaker 1: also the psychological element, I think, you know, the social
Speaker 1: element of it as well, looking at as.
Speaker 4: A social slash psychological because it's definitely a mixture of both,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, There's got to be a
Speaker 4: word for that somewhere.
Speaker 1: I know, I really struggle.
Speaker 5: To make one up.
Speaker 4: We have to make one up, okay, because you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, it's yeah, mind games and everything.
Speaker 4: It was full on, absolutely full on, and do you
Speaker 4: know what, Like it's just made me want more and
Speaker 4: like I'm outside the game now and I cannot wait
Speaker 4: for Sunday night.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm with you, I'm I'm in the audience
Speaker 1: and I am finding it just so exciting. Everyone who
Speaker 1: joins the podcast, gets asked this question, what's something from
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, something that we didn't see that we
Speaker 1: won't see, kind of like a behind the scenes secret
Speaker 1: that you might have experienced while filming The Traders.
Speaker 4: Probably behind the scenes. Oh, I tell you what my
Speaker 4: secret would be. You can tell if you see me
Speaker 4: from the from the from the feed up to the
Speaker 4: neck is as bloody.
Speaker 3: Macarons were so good.
Speaker 4: Seriously, I way too many macarons at breakfast.
Speaker 3: But you can tell because I've got a really thick waistline.
Speaker 1: Now that is that is my mum's guilty pleasure. And
Speaker 1: I basically only eat macarons when I'm with my mum.
Speaker 1: She's calling them right now. She must know we're talking
Speaker 1: about macarones.
Speaker 3: Macarons.
Speaker 1: The food does look really good. Do you get to
Speaker 1: eat it?
Speaker 5: Awesome?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you try to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, Claire. I am so excited that I
Speaker 1: got to have this chat with you. I think you
Speaker 1: did a fantastic job, and I think you should be
Speaker 1: immensely proud of what you're able to achieve while you're
Speaker 1: in the Traders. And I'll be thinking that I'm watching
Speaker 1: it with you on Sunday.
Speaker 3: Night, I will. I'll be thinking of you as well.
Speaker 4: I'm thinking ooh, I wonder what he's thinking about, who's
Speaker 4: going to be out next.
Speaker 1: We'll have to find a way to communicate, but thank
Speaker 1: you absolutely