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Speaker 1: Seen Nothing Yet, a scene involving rape is discussed. There
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Speaker 3: I'm Peter Hally.
Speaker 4: Welcome to You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet, the movie podcast
Speaker 4: where our chat to movie lovers about classic or beloved movies.
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Speaker 1: It's Green Breeze for breakfast and rave nine very hundred.
Speaker 2: Right now, You Ain't Seen Nothing You.
Speaker 4: I first met Boston comic Alex Edelman after a Melbourne
Speaker 4: International Comedy Festival gala where we bonded over a couple
Speaker 4: of drinks, the.
Speaker 3: Boston Celtics and Aaron Sorkin.
Speaker 4: Alex first onto the comedy scene, winning Best Newcomer at
Speaker 4: the Edinburgh Fringe in twenty fourteen, where he showed Millennial.
Speaker 4: I never got to see Millennial, but I did see
Speaker 4: He's Brilliant Just for Us, which covered one memorable night
Speaker 4: when he crashed a meeting of neo Nazis Alex in
Speaker 4: because you don't know It's Jewish. The show was spectacular
Speaker 4: and had him nominated for the Barrier Award in Melbourne
Speaker 4: and the best Show at the Edinburgh Fringe. Alex is
Speaker 4: a true gentleman, smart as a whip, bloody, hilarious and
Speaker 4: great company.
Speaker 2: Gooday, I'm Alex Adelman. My favorite films are Good or
Speaker 2: Hunting and You're not going to found me? How Field,
Speaker 2: Their Dreams if you feel what hook so.
Speaker 6: Too?
Speaker 2: And The Truman Show.
Speaker 5: I think I'm mixed up in something, something big.
Speaker 2: But until last week I had never seen Thelma and Luiz.
Speaker 4: Hans Zimmer doing what hans Zimmer does best In Ridley's
Speaker 4: Goots ninety ninety one feminist road movie classic Filma and
Speaker 4: Louise that sees Geena Davis and Susan Sarandon on the
Speaker 4: run from the douchebag men in their Lives is a
Speaker 4: celebration of freedommen of women breaking the shackles of their
Speaker 4: douchebag men.
Speaker 3: Alex Edelman, First of all, thank you so much for
Speaker 3: joining us.
Speaker 2: Oh please, I mean you said, I feel like quarantine.
Speaker 2: A lot of people have been using this time to
Speaker 2: see stuff they haven't seen before, and and you know,
Speaker 2: we were texting and you mentioned I have a podcast
Speaker 2: to that, you know, folks who are seeing stuff they
Speaker 2: haven't seen before, and I'm like, there could be any
Speaker 2: you know, I actually had three or four films that
Speaker 2: could have fit the bill with Thelma and Luis is
Speaker 2: clearly the you know, the one of this Quarantine for me,
Speaker 2: and it's one of those movies where as soon as
Speaker 2: they saw it, I'm like, oh, I see why people
Speaker 2: love this film. I see why, you know, it's become
Speaker 2: such a staple for American for American women and Americans
Speaker 2: in general. It's a great American movie.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: What I love about this podcast, alex Is is I
Speaker 4: love it when somebody says I haven't seen at you know,
Speaker 4: I get to watch one of my favorite movies again
Speaker 4: with somebody who's watching it for the first time. But
Speaker 4: even more so than that, I love watching movies that
Speaker 4: I haven't seen before. And it's come up a lot
Speaker 4: and already and Elman Louise was one of them. I
Speaker 4: had never seen this movie. I have no idea why,
Speaker 4: and I feel kind of bad. I'm not sure how
Speaker 4: you feel about not seeing I feel bad for not
Speaker 4: seeing it, maybe because I'm also interviewing Hannah Gadsby in
Speaker 4: the morning, and I just feel like I feel like
Speaker 4: I should have seen Delman Louise By.
Speaker 2: Now is what is Hannah pecked? Can I ask?
Speaker 4: No, Well, Hannah, I'm interviewing Hannah at this stage for
Speaker 4: her show Douglas, So yeah, it's not for this, but
Speaker 4: I will be putting out the invitation of Hannah and
Speaker 4: I'll be interested to see what she does pick. But
Speaker 4: I want to circle back to the films that you
Speaker 4: nominate before we get onto Thelma and Louise. I did wonder,
Speaker 4: being a proud Bostonian, if Goodwill Hunting would make it in,
Speaker 4: and it did.
Speaker 2: See.
Speaker 7: I love Good of All Hunting because well, first of all,
Speaker 7: I think, honest, all the movies that I peck have this.
Speaker 7: You know you gave me thirty seconds ago. What are
Speaker 7: your favorite films? And myself, oh god, some of my favorite.
Speaker 7: I almost picked Spartacus because Kirk Douglas's autobiography is sitting
Speaker 7: on the desk next to me, on my childhood desk.
Speaker 2: We must stay proved to ourselves. I love Goodwill Hunting
Speaker 2: because it's such a great story about male friendship and uh,
Speaker 2: it's such a good story about an individual who has
Speaker 2: a crazy dream. And Field Their Dreams is a story
Speaker 2: about an individual who has a crazy dream. And Truman
Speaker 2: and The Truman Show is a show about an individual
Speaker 2: who has a crazy dream. And I love those stories.
Speaker 2: I love stories about about about a person, about people
Speaker 2: who are nuts frankly and uh and and are compelled
Speaker 2: to do insane things. And so I mean, I think
Speaker 2: those stories are really resonant and really cool and uh,
Speaker 2: and Good Will Hunting is it's so much fun. Maybe
Speaker 2: it's because I'm in Boston right now for for months.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Also, it's the movie. It's like the
Speaker 2: shash Ank Redemption, which is if you come across it
Speaker 2: on Kate. There's a law actually in Massachusetts that if
Speaker 2: you're scrolling through television channels and it's on, you have
Speaker 2: to stop whatever you're doing and wash it until the end.
Speaker 2: And you really got to hope that you're at least
Speaker 2: halfway through the movie. Otherwise you're wasting you know, two
Speaker 2: hours of your life. But I've seen Goodwill Hunting probably
Speaker 2: class six times.
Speaker 3: Do you think I know the first thing about how
Speaker 3: hard your life has been, how you feel, who you are.
Speaker 4: As you're making that point, it's the same thing popped
Speaker 4: into my head about Goodwill Hunting. And I think georsh
Speaker 4: Ak Redemption is another movie that you mentioned that it
Speaker 4: fits in so perfectly you cannot stop watching it. You
Speaker 4: need to no matter what you're doing, no matter what
Speaker 4: moment the film is up. So you need to finish
Speaker 4: watching those movies.
Speaker 2: You know, the scenes, each scene follows the other scene,
Speaker 2: the other scenes really well, everything in the movie. Those
Speaker 2: movies are very dense. Nothing, nothing doesn't happen for a reason,
Speaker 2: you know. There there there's nothing that comes out of
Speaker 2: left field. There's nothing that I'm sorry the movie surprises you.
Speaker 2: But but each but the story moves forward in a
Speaker 2: really pacey way. Like Shawshank, the story is constantly moving forward,
Speaker 2: and even if it comes from different directions, Frank Derabahm's
Speaker 2: screenplays really really pacey. And so what I love is
Speaker 2: a pace movie like I think I have friends who
Speaker 2: are smarter than me, who like more ponderous stuff. But like,
Speaker 2: I love the movie where stuff just keeps happening, like
Speaker 2: Star Wars. Stuff just there's always something happening. And from
Speaker 2: the time that Luke thinks about leaving, you know, tattooing,
Speaker 2: until the end of Return of the Jedi, things just
Speaker 2: keep keep going at a real breakneck pace. And uh
Speaker 2: and so yeah, I love I love Good Will Hunting
Speaker 2: for that because it's it's easy in an action film
Speaker 2: for that to happen, but for it to happen in
Speaker 2: a movie.
Speaker 7: About a janitor. Is that's why those good about a janitor.
Speaker 7: It's the best one. A lonely janitor randalizes school property
Speaker 7: is a good way to sum up a good one.
Speaker 3: There's bees and great janitor characters in movies before.
Speaker 4: But you're right, I can't think of another movie that
Speaker 4: centers is the protagonist is the janitor. But I also
Speaker 4: I loved, Sorry, I liked The Truman Show when it
Speaker 4: came out, I quite liked it. It was never one
Speaker 4: of my you know, my top absolute top films, but
Speaker 4: I watched it about two years ago because my son
Speaker 4: was watching had to watch it for school. So I
Speaker 4: watched it with him, and I just it was so
Speaker 4: much better than I had remembered. It was so maybe
Speaker 4: I got it more and it was so much It
Speaker 4: was so much more. It was funnier than I remembered.
Speaker 4: I mean, his best friend who keeps on coming around
Speaker 4: with a six pack of beers is just that made
Speaker 4: me laugh every time.
Speaker 3: And I don't think i'd noticed that when I watched it,
Speaker 3: you know, when I was younger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like he was. They got Jim Carrey
Speaker 2: and put him in his least funny role and it's
Speaker 2: still hilarious. And I mean he was. He's incredible in
Speaker 2: that movie. It's his best movie by far. And Noah Emmerick,
Speaker 2: who plays the friend, is a really great actor who's
Speaker 2: been in like TV series like The Americans, and he's
Speaker 2: played the best friend of a million different shows. But
Speaker 2: he is he's crazy talented. Is that Peter is Peter?
Speaker 2: We're in Australian, Yes he is, Yes, yeah, yep, And
Speaker 2: like yeah, that movie is directed really well, and apparently
Speaker 2: the guy who wrote it, Andrew Nickel, took a cracket
Speaker 2: directing it, or take a crack at directing, like the
Speaker 2: first draft of his screenplay and the studio. So there's
Speaker 2: actually there's a lost screenplay that a friend recently sent
Speaker 2: to me. There's a New York version of The Truman
Speaker 2: Show that takes place in New York and apparently somewhere,
Speaker 2: you know, at some studio in LA there's a room
Speaker 2: with with a with a print of Andrew Nichols attempt
Speaker 2: at trying to direct his own uh screenplay, and they
Speaker 2: set it in New York and uh and apparently after
Speaker 2: like five minutes of shooting, the studios like, I'm sorry, no,
Speaker 2: we need a director, we need to shoot this. We
Speaker 2: love you, but we needs to be like in a
Speaker 2: community instead of imagine The Truman Show in New York City.
Speaker 2: It's like pretty dark, like they keep engineering stuff for
Speaker 2: him to see. So like I think in Andrew Nichols
Speaker 2: original screenplay, he like sees a woman get get like
Speaker 2: punched in the face or something like that and has
Speaker 2: to decide what to do. And then and I think
Speaker 2: the studio is like, why don't we make it? Probably
Speaker 2: make it as a community and it's just him, So
Speaker 2: it's a yeah, it's way better. I love I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I don't know why I told you that. Like that's right.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: I love that, and you're you're you're a huge baseball fan.
Speaker 3: I noticed because you're very sweet.
Speaker 4: You gave me a book about some of baseball's kind
Speaker 4: of weed rules, and I'm not across baseball as much
Speaker 4: as I'm across basketball.
Speaker 3: It was a great book.
Speaker 4: I've always maybe I haven't thank you for that, but
Speaker 4: I loved it. So Field of Dreams comes as nice
Speaker 4: to promise.
Speaker 2: I love Field of Dreams because it's the best baseball
Speaker 2: movie for one reason, which is that you don't need
Speaker 2: to know anything about baseball to enjoy the movie. Most
Speaker 2: sports movies have this big problem, which is, I think
Speaker 2: your listeners are going to be like, boy, this guy
Speaker 2: loves storytelling. But like the problem with Field of dream
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. The problem with every baseball movie that's not
Speaker 2: Field of Dreams is that it always comes down to
Speaker 2: whether or not someone can win the big game. And
Speaker 2: Field of Dreams just a movie about a dad and
Speaker 2: a son, and the son wants to play catch with
Speaker 2: his dad, and so the movie is really I have
Speaker 2: seen hard men cry at Field of Dreams, Like my
Speaker 2: grandfather doesn't cry anything, but I saw them cry at
Speaker 2: Field Dreams. Like, I've never seen you know, I've never
Speaker 2: seen my grandpa cry. But like, and I've mentioned it
Speaker 2: to a I mentioned it to a friend last week
Speaker 2: and he said to me, I saw a screening of
Speaker 2: it in like Hollywood at you know, one of those
Speaker 2: fancy like writers Guild theaters or something where everyone's a writer.
Speaker 2: And at the end of the movie, all these like
Speaker 2: guys who've seen a million movies and sappy movies and
Speaker 2: every kind. He's like, I look around the theater and
Speaker 2: everyone's crying, and he's like, this is not the kind
Speaker 2: of thing when people cry. It's like an industry screening
Speaker 2: of it. And yeah, it's it's the number one movie
Speaker 2: that will make an American boy cry because it'll make
Speaker 2: them think of their their dad. So yeah, I just
Speaker 2: love the relationships between father and So. Have you seen
Speaker 2: that film, Peter.
Speaker 4: I have, And it's come up a couple of times
Speaker 4: already in people's favorite favorite films. And I've seen it.
Speaker 4: It hasn't lived in my imagination and my heart to
Speaker 4: the point where when whenever somebody mentions it, I'm like,
Speaker 4: I got to watch that movie again.
Speaker 3: I haven't revisited it since I saw it. I Reckon.
Speaker 3: I must have been about twelve when I saw it.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. I mean, I'm curious as the father,
Speaker 2: as the father of boys, I'm wondering. I'm wondering how
Speaker 2: you feel about it as a dad? Now, okay, hey, dad,
Speaker 2: you would have catch.
Speaker 5: I'd like that.
Speaker 3: I'm going to put it on my to do list
Speaker 3: to watch Thriller Dreams again because I'm a big Kevin
Speaker 3: Costner fan. I love sports movies.
Speaker 4: Most Australians kind of, you know, we play a bit
Speaker 4: of catch up when we're watching American sports movies.
Speaker 3: We're going to go, Okay, I think we know what
Speaker 3: needs to happen.
Speaker 4: Americans are less less inclined to do that with sports
Speaker 4: that aren't American sports. But yeah, I love I think
Speaker 4: baseball lens itself really well to sports for me, you know,
Speaker 4: even if it's you know, a league of their own
Speaker 4: or Major League. And yeah, Moneyball was once getting back
Speaker 4: to Aaron Sulkan, which was my surprising baseball film of all.
Speaker 3: Surely you know.
Speaker 2: The funny thing is that I think there's a common
Speaker 2: threat in all my favorite movies, and it's a bit embarrassing,
Speaker 2: which is that I don't know if Australians have it,
Speaker 2: but Americans are so self obsessed that I think in
Speaker 2: a lot of the things that they watched, there's always
Speaker 2: a question which is like what does it mean to
Speaker 2: be American? You know, like what does it mean to
Speaker 2: see this great nation and the different aspects of this
Speaker 2: great and because like, you know, I think Field of
Speaker 2: Dreams is like Baseball's there's a big subplot where like
Speaker 2: Baseball is a part of America, and Google Hunting is like,
Speaker 2: this is an American person trying to achieve the American
Speaker 2: dream just because he's so smart, you know, and the
Speaker 2: Truman Show is like this guy has has it all.
Speaker 2: He's got a wife in a house, and he's got
Speaker 2: the American dream and like and so I think running
Speaker 2: through this is like is uh And even Alman Louise
Speaker 2: is about this you know, exploration of America and uh.
Speaker 2: And I think a big part of it is they
Speaker 2: take this road trip across America, which is this, this
Speaker 2: is really this really amazing idea to you know, to Americans.
Speaker 2: So oh man, what a what a wonderful American thing
Speaker 2: to do? Take take a road trip, and so like,
Speaker 2: I don't know if Australians have the same thing, because like,
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know if anyone wantes mad Max,
Speaker 2: And they're like, what does it mean to be Australian?
Speaker 3: Do you want to get out of here?
Speaker 2: You talk to me?
Speaker 3: I remember?
Speaker 4: Uh, the one of the great American crooner is jum
Speaker 4: bon Jovi h to a dad and and that sentence
Speaker 4: or that it was for his solo album, which was
Speaker 4: called Destination Anywhere, and about that idea of jumping in
Speaker 4: a catalog, you know, and and taking across the yeah,
Speaker 4: the United States. And he said to the audience during
Speaker 4: you know, one of the you know, the interludes or whatever, he.
Speaker 3: Said, Australia, I've got a tag full of gas and
Speaker 3: a six pack of beer. Who's coming with me? And
Speaker 3: a bloke behind me? I'll never forget yelled out. Oh
Speaker 3: come John, but you're gonna need a shipload more beer.
Speaker 3: That's what it means to be Australian.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's so funny.
Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety one Dolby Luise comes out. Were You Born?
Speaker 3: That was two good? Two? Okay, so no excuses. You
Speaker 3: could have seen in the cinema. What did you know
Speaker 3: about before going in? What did you what did you know.
Speaker 2: You know, the funny thing about Tomma and Louise is
Speaker 2: that it's one of the few films I've seen where
Speaker 2: I knew the ending before I started it, because the
Speaker 2: ending has been parodied so many times. I mentioned so
Speaker 2: many times, and you know what, I'm actually not going
Speaker 2: to say exactly what happens at the end, just in
Speaker 2: case someone has sort of been able to navigate their
Speaker 2: life without knowing the ending of Film and Louise and
Speaker 2: is listening to this podcast and getting excited and I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: everyone knows the ending, and they're like, no, wait, but
Speaker 2: this is.
Speaker 4: This is the heavy spoiler podcast, So feel free if
Speaker 4: you haven't seen Film and Louise, turn off now and
Speaker 4: come back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how about hit the fifteen second fast forward button.
Speaker 2: In three two one, them and Louise drive their car
Speaker 2: off a cliff and that's the ending of bel and Louise.
Speaker 2: And I knew that going in because I'd seen it
Speaker 2: parodied and so many and so many Up we're ten
Speaker 2: seconds and that's the secret of life. I'm sorry you,
Speaker 2: But yeah, as one of the view films where I
Speaker 2: kind of knew where it was going to happen, so
Speaker 2: I got to watch it, going how does this build
Speaker 2: to this dramatic ending that I've heard about, how does
Speaker 2: it earn this radical ending, which is, you know, in
Speaker 2: a movie about female friendship, something that's so extreme, And
Speaker 2: so that was that's I knew that going in. I
Speaker 2: knew that Brad Pitt was hot, so I was waiting
Speaker 2: for that because Brad Pit in nineteen ninety one Druel
Speaker 2: and and I was very excited to see exactly how
Speaker 2: hot brad pet was, although I wasn't prepared for how
Speaker 2: hot Brad Pet Just need his bad.
Speaker 4: Let's pot bread paint on one song, because there's a
Speaker 4: whole conversation we need to have that Brad Pitt. But
Speaker 4: it would it wouldn't be fitting with the film's things
Speaker 4: to discuss Brad Pitt before we discussed.
Speaker 2: Them, so whatn't But but no, I didn't know. I
Speaker 2: didn't know. I knew hardly anything about the film. And
Speaker 2: also I'm not really familiar with the with the body
Speaker 2: of work of student Sarandon and Davis, so so I
Speaker 2: didn't know a ton about the movie going in other
Speaker 2: than that it was a delight. And also I'm a
Speaker 2: huge fan of Kelli Ka Hurry who's the screenwriter of
Speaker 2: the film, and has done a bunch of great work
Speaker 2: since then, including the television show the wildly underrated critically
Speaker 2: wild critically underrated hit, a show called Nashville, which was
Speaker 2: sort of a show about the country music world in
Speaker 2: the United States, And so I watched it the last
Speaker 2: couple of years and was a big fan of her
Speaker 2: writing and and her TV work.
Speaker 3: So I think she won the Best Origional Screenplay also for.
Speaker 2: This she did. It was her debut screenplay, and it
Speaker 2: really it's a huge upset, and as was Goodwill Hunting
Speaker 2: by the way, their first screenplay. But yeah, it's it's
Speaker 2: it's a brave she was a brave announced as a
Speaker 2: brave new voice. So I was really curre has to
Speaker 2: see how the story sort of executed itself. But but yeah,
Speaker 2: it didn't know much going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was a bit the same.
Speaker 4: I think almost exactly what you said were my impressions
Speaker 4: and my frame of references.
Speaker 3: For Thelm and Luise.
Speaker 4: I knew how it ended, even to the point of
Speaker 4: the photograph the polaroid kind of swirling up in the air,
Speaker 4: and I knew Brad Pitt was hot. So those are
Speaker 4: the things in fact to the point where the dramatic
Speaker 4: and you know, dramatic car park rape scene happened.
Speaker 3: I was not prepared for that.
Speaker 4: I thought Thelm and Luise was a much more kind
Speaker 4: of just just a fun girls just want to have
Speaker 4: fun style movie, and I probably hadn't thought about it
Speaker 4: enough over the years.
Speaker 3: But when that happened in the car park, I was like, Ah,
Speaker 3: so that's that's what this is about. And I was
Speaker 3: a bit shocked, but I.
Speaker 2: Kindn't believe it when I I saw it happening, and
Speaker 2: a friend of mine I convinced a friend of mine
Speaker 2: one of my favorite actors is this woman, Natalie Morales,
Speaker 2: and she's a great comedy actor and a great dramatic actor.
Speaker 2: She's in the new series of Dead to Me on
Speaker 2: Netflix if you haven't seen it yet, and she's really
Speaker 2: really like also one of the best people I know.
Speaker 2: And I told her that I read this, that I
Speaker 2: saw this movie and said, Nat, if you haven't seen
Speaker 2: I'm blowing up her spot to someone who had never
Speaker 2: seen them Louise recently, but I said, you got to
Speaker 2: see this movie and she and she texted me a
Speaker 2: couple of minutes in and I went, oh, man, they
Speaker 2: say rape scene and I was shocked too, and I
Speaker 2: when I saw it, I couldn't believe. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2: But also it gives the movie. It gives the movie
Speaker 2: a really it gives the movie a real like I
Speaker 2: don't want to be the guy, gives it its edge
Speaker 2: that it is, but it totally, it totally makes you
Speaker 2: aware of the stakes of the of what they're doing
Speaker 2: and sets up and sets up a thing that there
Speaker 2: are a couple of film critics who don't understand Thumb
Speaker 2: and Louise, Like there's a there's a really horrible film
Speaker 2: critic named Kyle Smith who writes for the New York
Speaker 2: Post still and he wrote a scathing review a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago, like long after the movie come out
Speaker 2: about he.
Speaker 3: Just won't let it go, right, he just won't let
Speaker 3: it go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now is the perfect time to take down Tom Louise.
Speaker 2: You know now that it's a beloved American institution, is
Speaker 2: selected as culturally significant, but the Library of Congress. Now
Speaker 2: it's time for me to make my stand.
Speaker 7: Thumb and Louise sucks Hill and he says that it's
Speaker 7: anti men, and it's it's you know, lazily antimate, and uh,
Speaker 7: and I don't think it is.
Speaker 2: I think it makes them. I think it really drives
Speaker 2: home that these women have been extremely underserved by the
Speaker 2: world that they live in. And and that and that
Speaker 2: scene is very violent because up until then, it is
Speaker 2: girls just want to have fun. It's you know, until then,
Speaker 2: the biggest shock in the movie is Thelma eats a
Speaker 2: snicker someone's left in the freezer.
Speaker 7: Like that's the biggest thing. And then they go dancing.
Speaker 7: And but you know what I love about that is
Speaker 7: that Thelma like I can't remember who, I can't remember
Speaker 7: which character has which name. So Geena Davis's character is
Speaker 7: almost yeah, okay, So Thelma is nearly raped but Louise doesn't,
Speaker 7: and Louise shoots the guy, but she doesn't shoot the
Speaker 7: guy while Thelma is being rape She shoots the guy
Speaker 7: from mouthing off to them afterwards. And I love that
Speaker 7: because it gives her character so much agency. You know,
Speaker 7: it doesn't because if if if she had done it
Speaker 7: mid assault, then uh, then Thelma, then then Louise. You know,
Speaker 7: she didn't decide to shoot that guy. She and and
Speaker 7: by the way, every couple of scenes, uh, Thelma Thelma
Speaker 7: or Louise goes, should we go to the police, and uh,
Speaker 7: and the other and and and usually and usually Louise.
Speaker 7: But I think once Selma goes, no, we can't go
Speaker 7: to the police, and uh, And I love that it
Speaker 7: keeps reminding you of that, the movie keeps reminding you
Speaker 7: why we're doing this. But yeah, that that scene, that
Speaker 7: scene gives Thelma that you seeming gives Selma and Luis
Speaker 7: a lot of really sets everything up well. And it
Speaker 7: also it also really serves those characters in a really
Speaker 7: like fair way. The fact that the fact that she
Speaker 7: makes this decision to shoot this guy on her own
Speaker 7: because he's a bad guy, and like, it's it's that
Speaker 7: showdown afterwards when when uh, when Luisa.
Speaker 2: Goes, what did you say? And the guy goes, I
Speaker 2: should and just she blows him away. It's like it's
Speaker 2: a really it's a great moment.
Speaker 7: Actually, your fucking asshole, I'm gonna splatter your ugly face
Speaker 7: all over this nuss car.
Speaker 3: All right, Hey, hey, just calm down. We just have
Speaker 3: a little fun.
Speaker 7: As it looks like you got a real fucked up
Speaker 7: body of fun. Turn around in the future, when a
Speaker 7: woman's crying like that.
Speaker 3: She didn't haven't any fun.
Speaker 6: Oh bitch, I should have gone ahead and fucked her.
Speaker 3: What did you say, I said, suck my cock?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh my gosh, get the car.
Speaker 6: Oh Jesus, crush, Louise, you shot him? Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's completely satisfying. And you're right.
Speaker 4: And there's a moment later in the film where they're
Speaker 4: having a discussion they're washing their selves in the in
Speaker 4: the sink outside of the roadhouse, and and and Louise
Speaker 4: makes the point that you just made, like film was
Speaker 4: trying to say, we were justified, you know, and she's
Speaker 4: got no.
Speaker 3: We had, we had already walked away. We had we
Speaker 3: had walked away.
Speaker 4: And and so it's a great point you make, and
Speaker 4: up until then, because for the movie to get to
Speaker 4: where it gets to, with them doing what they do,
Speaker 4: you do need to be something as as horrible as
Speaker 4: what happened in the in the in that car park,
Speaker 4: as opposed to I think you know.
Speaker 3: There are some really lovely ways they show.
Speaker 4: How the girls are disrespected by the men in their
Speaker 4: in their lives.
Speaker 3: Particularly Geena Davis's husband Darryl.
Speaker 4: It's not necessarily subtle, but it's just stuff like, you
Speaker 4: know when you know the first time he made it
Speaker 4: by the way, Geena Davis's husband played by Christopher McDonald
Speaker 4: shoot McGavin, I.
Speaker 7: Mean as as they saw I was like, of course
Speaker 7: he's going to play this perfect prack. I mean, really
Speaker 7: such a piece of chef.
Speaker 4: He was so good when he said when he says
Speaker 4: to her, that's what that's why you're not a regional
Speaker 4: manager and swings he's going to keys around.
Speaker 2: And yeah, he's so proud of it.
Speaker 7: He goes not a regional man. You know what I
Speaker 7: love is first of all that his job is that
Speaker 7: he sells carpets. Yes, that's what he's super proud of.
Speaker 2: And also when the police are questioning him for the
Speaker 2: first time, Sorry, you're standing in your pizza. Excuse me,
Speaker 2: you're standing in your pizza.
Speaker 4: Oh, which apparently was a genuine mistake and they ran
Speaker 4: with it. Also when the police tell them they're going
Speaker 4: to tap their phone, and he asked if he has
Speaker 4: to pay for.
Speaker 6: It, as you know, we've tapped your phone in the
Speaker 6: event that she calls in, is that going to cost me?
Speaker 4: And also when Thelma rings home and she's been gone
Speaker 4: for a few days and he's kind of angry at her,
Speaker 4: but then he stops, he stops listening to her, puts
Speaker 4: the phone to his chest to watch some a football game,
Speaker 4: explaining John what's going on in the situation, and he's
Speaker 4: not even he's not even listening. So that there are
Speaker 4: really lovely moments and ways they demonstrate it, but that's
Speaker 4: all that stuff's not enough for them to eventually do
Speaker 4: what they do at the end, you know, So you
Speaker 4: need that that that scene in the Compact I think,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: I think about I've thought of. It's the thing I've
Speaker 2: thought about the most since the because I didn't know
Speaker 2: it came to such a surprise, and it's it's also
Speaker 2: you know, it's also not what the movie, the movie's
Speaker 2: got to really, I think it's obviously it's an incredible
Speaker 2: feminist film, but the message of the movie is that, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, these two women are actually in very tough
Speaker 2: their status quo is very tough, and all they have
Speaker 2: is this really good friendship. And the movie is about
Speaker 2: and you know, some critics, miss I have misidentified it,
Speaker 2: but clearly, clear really clearly the movie is about this
Speaker 2: wonderful female friendship and uh and and how it builds
Speaker 2: and how it's a true North for these women and
Speaker 2: how it's immortal and uh, and yeah, everything is set
Speaker 2: against the background of this of this of this female friendship,
Speaker 2: and because it's so authentic, it makes the film totally riveting.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, my favorite, my favorite moment with Darryl
Speaker 2: is when the phone is tapped by the cops and
Speaker 2: and and Geena Davis calls and Thelma calls home, and
Speaker 2: he goes honey, and she hangs up right away and
Speaker 2: she's like, you know, like like he's not even finished
Speaker 2: saying hello, but he's on these night words and she's like,
Speaker 2: he knows. And again, the movie is so great because
Speaker 2: it reminds you every moment, but in a really organic way,
Speaker 2: why stuff keeps happening and what is at stake and
Speaker 2: what is going on and how these women can't catch
Speaker 2: a break and how uh. And Josh Harmon, who's one
Speaker 2: of my favorite playwrights. Every every week or so, Josh
Speaker 2: and I read it read a different play and catch
Speaker 2: up and we talk about the play. And I mentioned
Speaker 2: I had just seen Thelma and Luis this is a
Speaker 2: week ago, and Josh lit up, He's like, that's my
Speaker 2: favorite movie. He's like, I've seen that movie dozens of times.
Speaker 2: He's like, I've seen it so many times, and he's like,
Speaker 2: do you know what's my favorite Why it's my favorite movie?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, because every scene follows the scene before
Speaker 2: it perfectly. He's like, yes, He's like, the structure is brilliant.
Speaker 8: They're always reminding you of the stakes, like and Josh's
Speaker 8: Josh is a really really great grasp of dramatic structure,
Speaker 8: and and everything here follows the scenes before it brilliantly,
Speaker 8: and they re up the stakes on the road brilliant,
Speaker 8: Like it would be so easy for.
Speaker 2: This movie to be a turn. Frankly, it's just the
Speaker 2: plot is a road trip. That's the whole movie. But
Speaker 2: it's it's totally brilliant.
Speaker 3: It's what you're saying rung true.
Speaker 4: Because I was just listening to a conversation Lawrence Kasden
Speaker 4: where was having on the script Notes podcast, which is
Speaker 4: a fantastic podcast if you're in the screenwriting or everyone
Speaker 4: should listen to it. The service that John August and
Speaker 4: Craig mas and are giving to anyone who loves screenwriting
Speaker 4: is amazing.
Speaker 3: It's better than any course you could do it in
Speaker 3: any book.
Speaker 4: You can read and Lawren's Kasin was talking about Empire
Speaker 4: Strikes Back and I was talking about well, Craig Mazin
Speaker 4: was making the point that the great scene between Yoda
Speaker 4: and Luke where you know, Luca's achieved a sense of calm,
Speaker 4: They've got him to where he needs to be, but
Speaker 4: they know they can't. You need to sling shot into
Speaker 4: the next scene and you can't just have Luke being happy.
Speaker 4: So the final line in that scene is Luke saying
Speaker 4: I'm not you know, I'm not afraid, and Yoda says,
Speaker 4: you will be, and it's just, yes, it's perfect, It's
Speaker 4: just and it's just that idea of sling shotting you
Speaker 4: into the next scene.
Speaker 3: So there's there's there's you're leaving with intention.
Speaker 2: My favorite line in that in the film is do
Speaker 2: or do not? There is no try because it just
Speaker 2: sets up. So it's another thing that reminds you.
Speaker 7: Of mistakes that like, it could be so easy for
Speaker 7: you to to be like, as long as you try,
Speaker 7: that's the important thing, because that's the trope that we've
Speaker 7: seen so many times in a movie that the most
Speaker 7: important thing is to try to make the effort to
Speaker 7: go you know.
Speaker 2: And you know, it was like either do it or
Speaker 2: you don't. That's that's that's how this works. It's the
Speaker 2: fate of the fate of the universe, buddy. So so
Speaker 2: we gotta gotta be sharp.
Speaker 3: And I mean Yoda kind of you know, introduce it
Speaker 3: this haskind of the point that they make. I'm borrowing it.
Speaker 4: Yoda introduced really the idea of zen and he sounds
Speaker 4: like a yoga teacher like, and that was he was
Speaker 4: the first one of issues that idea to Western audiences.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a great it's a great movie. It's right
Speaker 7: over there on my my shovel. It's the movie I
Speaker 7: was Most those movies are movies I was obsessed with
Speaker 7: as a kid. But all these movies that I love
Speaker 7: seem to share this great DNA about people with you know,
Speaker 7: the impossible, impossible tasks, and each scene follows.
Speaker 2: The other end. And uh, I mean, I'm wondering if
Speaker 2: you didn't know the ending in this movie, how you'd
Speaker 2: feel about the ending.
Speaker 3: We often this has come up a few times in
Speaker 3: this podcast.
Speaker 4: People like loving that they have finally seen Butchercassidy in
Speaker 4: the Sun, Dance Kid, or you know, Clockwork Orange and
Speaker 4: now for me Thelma and Louise.
Speaker 3: And the thing you think about is like, wow, I
Speaker 3: imagine if I if I didn't know what happened at
Speaker 3: the end, or you know, imagine if if you know,
Speaker 3: I guess Dave O'Neil is that. Imagine seeing Shrek is
Speaker 3: what Shrek for the first time, he said, imagine not
Speaker 3: knowing that Princess Fiona you know, you know, yeah, that
Speaker 3: was her story and a journey, And yeah, I thought
Speaker 3: about that after I saw it. Imagine if I didn't
Speaker 3: know that I actually were about to do what they
Speaker 3: what they did?
Speaker 2: Do? You know, I think I don't want to misattribute it,
Speaker 2: but I think josh Harmon, the playwright, I was mentioning
Speaker 2: who loves Thumba and Luis told me, I think this.
Speaker 2: Joshu told me this. Actually, I'm nearly certain, told me
Speaker 2: something amazing I didn't know about it, which is that
Speaker 2: in the original version of the movie, a version that
Speaker 2: they screened for audiences first when they were testing it.
Speaker 7: Again.
Speaker 2: Now fast forward in fifteen seconds. If we haven't seen
Speaker 2: the ending in three two one, but when the cargoes
Speaker 2: off the cliff, it hits the canyon floor and we
Speaker 2: see it explode and that was the original ending of
Speaker 2: the movie, and audiences hated it, absolutely hated it. Couldn't
Speaker 2: couldn't get over that they were what they were seeing.
Speaker 2: And so really, Scott put in a fade to white
Speaker 2: before that happens, so you know what's what's happened, but
Speaker 2: you don't see you don't see this fate for your
Speaker 2: favorite characters. And so audiences like that a lot more,
Speaker 2: like a lot, a lot a lot more. And I
Speaker 2: think there is something about the fade to white that
Speaker 2: makes it makes them seem immortal and like fixed an
Speaker 2: amber and is really uh is really perfect and so
Speaker 2: uh I had I admired that, uh, that that move.
Speaker 2: But you know, I wonder, uh yeah, I wonder how
Speaker 2: it would feel if I just if I just got
Speaker 2: to experience it, I would I would feel upset because, uh,
Speaker 2: I know, I'd feel upset because I was upset by it,
Speaker 2: knowing what was coming. I was visually disappointed because you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes I watch a sad movie or a movie with
Speaker 2: an ending that that is a bit of a downbeat,
Speaker 2: and I think to myself, well, maybe it'll be different
Speaker 2: this time.
Speaker 7: You know, I'll be a dozen times, but maybe maybe
Speaker 7: maybe he doesn't die at the end of this.
Speaker 2: Maybe Butchen and Sun dance shoot their way out and
Speaker 2: we get a sequel, you know, like.
Speaker 3: I'll do that with sports.
Speaker 4: I'll come home, I'll go to the MCG to watch
Speaker 4: a game of football, which I know you have done,
Speaker 4: you win of Melbourne games, and I'll come I'll come
Speaker 4: back home and I'll watch the replay, even if we've lost,
Speaker 4: just to make sure they got the scores right.
Speaker 2: Yes, that happens to me constantly, especially now when they're
Speaker 2: re airing classic sports games, and I'll watch classic sports
Speaker 2: games with outcomes that I don't love and I'll uh,
Speaker 2: and I'll think to myself, but you know, maybe it
Speaker 2: was wrong. And the Patriots win the Super Bowl. I
Speaker 2: know I amonized for a year about about them not winning. Thankfully,
Speaker 2: Thankfully for me that new him and Patriots have been
Speaker 2: good enough that every year after they've they've lost, they've
Speaker 2: they've come back and and and been really competitive and
Speaker 2: usually won the next time, but very far and maybe
Speaker 2: maybe maybe they don't lose to their Eagles and the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl on.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure how much sympathy you're going to get
Speaker 4: for your Patriots, but to go back to butchercashing in
Speaker 4: the Sundance Kid. That is obviously it ends in a
Speaker 4: very similar way. And I'm sure Ridley Scott considered this
Speaker 4: when he finished, because that was really George roy Hill,
Speaker 4: who directed Butch, just found it too upsetting. He thought
Speaker 4: needs to be too upset the CDs characters die. And
Speaker 4: also there was they had a different thing going on
Speaker 4: as well, where there's kind of conspiracy theories that Butcher
Speaker 4: and Sundance may have actually lived and gotten out of
Speaker 4: Bolivia and returned.
Speaker 3: To the state.
Speaker 4: So they were leaving the the option to think maybe
Speaker 4: they got away. That's not going on here with them,
Speaker 4: lowais there was like jumpy castle at the bottom of
Speaker 4: that canyon.
Speaker 7: No, there's no Oh, no, you've told them, You've told
Speaker 7: the person and successfully fast forward it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I I think I think it's a uh,
Speaker 2: it's a tiny bit of a comp out when films
Speaker 2: do that, and even even butcher Sinence, which I do love,
Speaker 2: and George roy Hill literally might be the greatest underrated
Speaker 2: commercial American director who's done so many so he did
Speaker 2: so many great films and uh, and it isn't remembered
Speaker 2: as one of the all time greats uh here the
Speaker 2: way he clearly should be. I think he did a
Speaker 2: great funny sports film slapshot as well. But but but
Speaker 2: but for Thelma, Like I think there is something to
Speaker 2: seeing your hero gun down in that moment of because
Speaker 2: the audience has earned the closure of the story. And
Speaker 2: maybe I'm a sick puppy, but I want to see.
Speaker 7: My favorite character is killed. If that's what's going to happen,
Speaker 7: I want to see. I very rarely enjoy an ambiguous ending.
Speaker 2: I don't need to see them smashed the debts the
Speaker 2: way the original one is, but I do want to
Speaker 2: know for certain, but their feeders, I think.
Speaker 4: I wondered about this. I wondered if alternative ending would
Speaker 4: be that the and I don't mind about spoiling this,
Speaker 4: they've been warned enough, Alex. So the car, the car
Speaker 4: comes up, and if the camera was to stay at
Speaker 4: a certain point and let the car leave from the frame,
Speaker 4: and then the explosions kind of like sense from underneath,
Speaker 4: even if it's eventually after a few seconds, you see
Speaker 4: the smoke going to come up through the flame, you know,
Speaker 4: with the blue sky and the canyon in the background,
Speaker 4: just the blue sky.
Speaker 3: I think that would have worked.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but I think the idea is that they're you know,
Speaker 7: soaring into eternity because it's still a very Ridley Scott movie.
Speaker 7: The movies, Like, first of all, Scott apparently doesn't know
Speaker 7: what America looks like because occasionally, like they're all over
Speaker 7: the place Atlas wise, they're just like they go to
Speaker 7: a desert and the desert's in Arkansas. They're driving around
Speaker 7: like like sometimes they'll drive the state that's not next
Speaker 7: to the state before it. You'll see a sign on
Speaker 7: a window that says like Victorville, California, and then it's
Speaker 7: like like, I we're in Texas or they were in Oklahoma,
Speaker 7: and I'm like, really, ten minutes ago you were in Victorville, California,
Speaker 7: Like how was any of this as possible?
Speaker 2: So like but Ridley Scott, like it feels I Ridley
Speaker 2: Scott that these guys like you know, sore sore into sore,
Speaker 2: into immortality. And so, I mean, I do think it
Speaker 2: very much, It very much fits. But but yeah, really
Speaker 2: Scott really needed was there no one with a map
Speaker 2: to tell him that, like there's no desert in Arkansas,
Speaker 2: Like it's every I was watching it on Amazon and
Speaker 2: Amazon will give you fun facts about the movie as
Speaker 2: you watch it if you have the X ray on
Speaker 2: the little and Amazon is like, really, Scott is actually
Speaker 2: wrong here. There's no you know, there's no ganser and
Speaker 2: there's no geyser in Arizona. Like it's one of those
Speaker 2: it's one of those kinds of things where where the
Speaker 2: geography is on that stuff.
Speaker 4: It's a lot of I love the sequence in the
Speaker 4: in the motel where j D comes back into uh
Speaker 4: the same film, and then you've got Susan Sarandon and
Speaker 4: uh Michael Madsden two of the Riser all dogs who
Speaker 4: appear in this film him have you caught out? But
Speaker 4: it's just a great thing because you got Jimmy and
Speaker 4: and uh Louise having a very adult conversation about where
Speaker 4: they are in their relationship, and it's a very it's
Speaker 4: a very serious conversation. It's a kind of a heartbreaking conversation.
Speaker 4: And then in the next room you have you know,
Speaker 4: Thelma and JD playing these hands slappy games and jumping
Speaker 4: on the bed and then having you know, awesome Brad
Speaker 4: Pitt Steamy six.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like I watched it and I was like, God,
Speaker 2: can now can we talk about everybody now? Because wow,
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, he's not been under sault, like
Speaker 2: he's his body is ridiculous in this movie.
Speaker 3: It is, it's unnatural.
Speaker 2: I'm like, how And by the way, not for nothing.
Speaker 2: Geena Davis's gorgeousness, like she's like six I was like,
Speaker 2: is this woman six foot ten? Like she's extremely tall,
Speaker 2: She's very like she's got this like you know, beautiful
Speaker 2: beautiful like innocence about her, but with an edge. She's
Speaker 2: so gorgeous and so and so like sexy, like she's
Speaker 2: like her whole I don't know, the character really fits
Speaker 2: the actor and and I absolutely loved it. But yeah, JDS.
Speaker 2: JD is like the funniest I do get Kyle Smith,
Speaker 2: the New York Post guy that I do get one
Speaker 2: one element of his shitty review, which is that he's like,
Speaker 2: men aren't Men aren't real characters in this in this movie,
Speaker 2: He's like men are.
Speaker 7: He?
Speaker 2: I think of all the characters, JD is the most pestichie,
Speaker 2: but it's so much fun, Like he's so much fun
Speaker 2: to watch every moment on screen. He's just like this delicious, delicious,
Speaker 2: like hunk of man pie and it's very it's very
Speaker 2: good and bad. Pitt deserves everything that he has in
Speaker 2: his life and in the act.
Speaker 4: And that's a credit to Brad Pitt that he hasn't
Speaker 4: just played shirtless due to you know who have amazing
Speaker 4: sex scenes in motel rooms, like you know, he he
Speaker 4: I think he did Legends of the Fall after this,
Speaker 4: was it Legends of Fall or A River Runs through
Speaker 4: It or one of those kind of movies. And then
Speaker 4: a few years later he was doing Twelve Monkeys and
Speaker 4: seven and he's, you.
Speaker 3: Know, amazing filmy great? Yeah, yeah, did you think.
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 4: I watched it twice. I watched it Friday night. I
Speaker 4: had a couple of wines, and I thought I better
Speaker 4: watch it again. I couldn't understand some of my notes.
Speaker 4: But did you think j D was always going to
Speaker 4: rip film or off? Was that his plane alone?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he basically tells her, He tells her that
Speaker 3: doesn't like that.
Speaker 4: He tells her how he's almost going to do it,
Speaker 4: you know, in in in bed when they're flirting before
Speaker 4: they kind of start getting on and he and he
Speaker 4: kind of goes through basically how he's going to do it.
Speaker 3: He doesn't do it. Exactly about that. He doesn't. It doesn't,
Speaker 3: but yeah, he's he takes it. He takes it through
Speaker 3: his method of doing it, more so than you know
Speaker 3: the a non robbery assential.
Speaker 2: What you do? I'm a robber, you're a bank robber?
Speaker 6: No, no, I'm rubbing no banks? Come on, would you rob?
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 6: Well let's see said it up here. I robbed a
Speaker 6: gas station, a couple of convenience stores, liquor stores.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, how.
Speaker 6: Okay, we'll see first, speak your place right, and I
Speaker 6: just sit back and watch it for a little while,
Speaker 6: wait for that right moment to make my move. See,
Speaker 6: and that's something you gotta know up here. That ship
Speaker 6: cannot be taught.
Speaker 2: And then uh, oh shit, I want to talk about.
Speaker 6: That like David.
Speaker 2: All right, then I.
Speaker 6: Waltz right in. Yeah. Then I just kind of waltz
Speaker 6: on in and I say, ladies, gentlemen, let's see when
Speaker 6: surprize keeping their cool. Simon says, everybody down on the floor.
Speaker 6: Now nobody lose their head. Then nobody loses their head.
Speaker 6: Uh you sir, Yeah, you do the honors. Take that
Speaker 6: cash and put in that bag right there.
Speaker 2: You got an amazing story. Tell your friends.
Speaker 6: If not, you gotta tag on your toe you side,
Speaker 6: simple as that.
Speaker 2: Then I just slip on out.
Speaker 6: And uh the hell have Dodds?
Speaker 7: Yeah, M my goodness, you're sure gentlemanly about it.
Speaker 6: Well, now, I've always believed that done properly on robbery
Speaker 6: doesn't have to be a totally unpleasant experience.
Speaker 2: What you realize that, lawn, aren't you?
Speaker 6: Well may be an out and on him, but you
Speaker 6: don't want to steal my heart? Smart.
Speaker 2: The person I was watching with my my my, my
Speaker 2: friend Hannah. We were using where we hit play at
Speaker 2: the same time and then watched and texted through the movie.
Speaker 2: She wrote me and said, he's gonna he's gonna steal it.
Speaker 2: He's gonna steal her money.
Speaker 7: And uh.
Speaker 2: In the Yeah, from the minute she said that, I
Speaker 2: found it impossible not to see it. It was. It's
Speaker 2: very clear that he was gonna that he was going
Speaker 2: to take her cash and and and run, and uh
Speaker 2: it's heartbreaking because it's such a good romantic scene and
Speaker 2: and him going although he gets some real come upance
Speaker 2: at the end with Harvey kaitel So and and also
Speaker 2: him basically saying to shooting McGavin, I slept in their
Speaker 2: way like you, It's very satisfying in a way because
Speaker 2: he's he's such a peg and uh and it's the
Speaker 2: it's it's such a it's such a great heightened moment.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I knew he was. I felt like, uh,
Speaker 2: I felt like Kenna pointed that out halfway through the
Speaker 2: sax sceone and I was like, fuck, that's definitely. That's definitely.
Speaker 3: One thing I wanted to ask you about.
Speaker 4: Are American diners has lifted throughout America as they appear
Speaker 4: to be in the movies.
Speaker 3: We don't have that diner set up here in Australia.
Speaker 3: We don't.
Speaker 4: You know that that's great. You know obviously that they're
Speaker 4: they're they're in Delwin Lui's pulp fiction. You know, they're
Speaker 4: kind of littered, silver linings, playbook. Every second movie seems
Speaker 4: to be there's great places, there's set scenes American diners,
Speaker 4: but we don't have any that style here.
Speaker 3: Are they as everywhere as the movie My Cat?
Speaker 2: There's so much there's so much fun a diner. A
Speaker 2: diner is so much fun because it's another big First
Speaker 2: of all, like you say, they are ubiquitous, like and
Speaker 2: there's a real sense of they're the most American place
Speaker 2: to eat, and they are naturally scattered across the the
Speaker 2: American South and Texas, and so I do think that
Speaker 2: there is a and everyone's got a favorite one. My
Speaker 2: favorite diner in the world is in Victorville, California, which
Speaker 2: is which is really, you know, two hours outside of
Speaker 2: Los Angeles, and the diners called Emma Jean's Holland Berger
Speaker 2: Cafe and it and there's something so romantic and again
Speaker 2: there's something about what is America to a diner, and
Speaker 2: you could say that, you know, the most American thing
Speaker 2: is this place where people of all kinds and all
Speaker 2: you know, all races and genders and sexes and orientations
Speaker 2: and economic backgrounds can come together and get the same
Speaker 2: humble fries in a shake. And so yeah, it's it's
Speaker 2: And also there's something affordable about a diner which adds
Speaker 2: to its mystique a little bit, which is, if you're
Speaker 2: down on your luck, you go to a diner because
Speaker 2: you're not finding cheaper food than you'd find it a diner.
Speaker 2: And so and so the fact that Thelma and luis
Speaker 2: so much of it takes place in these American institutions
Speaker 2: is like, you know, clearly irresistibly romantic. So so yeah, diners,
Speaker 2: to answer your question, they are as ubiquitous, but they
Speaker 2: would have been even more so, you know, twenty years
Speaker 2: ago when the film is.
Speaker 4: Day that's I love watching somehow, just love watching scenes
Speaker 4: in American DNAs.
Speaker 2: You've been to one, though, Pete Shirley, I have, but.
Speaker 4: Not necessarily out in the open rhyod, you know, like
Speaker 4: not not out of the cities, you know, not certainly
Speaker 4: not in the South.
Speaker 3: I haven't been to the South for some reason.
Speaker 2: I don't know why.
Speaker 4: It's really just stating arrangements really, but they always they're
Speaker 4: always fun to be But.
Speaker 2: Don't you guys have an equivalent right the bar in
Speaker 2: the middle of nowhere?
Speaker 3: The have you been to?
Speaker 2: Have you been to a local? Because the real thing
Speaker 2: to a diner is that it's a local spot in
Speaker 2: a place that you don't live, or it's your local spot. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so American films, a diner is either the ultimate local
Speaker 2: spot or the ultimate foreign place. So in Thelma and
Speaker 2: Luis like, you know, to me, being in a diner
Speaker 2: on the open road, if I'm in Victorville or the
Speaker 2: Inland Empire or upstate New York or Pennsylvania, wherever I've
Speaker 2: stopped in, it's me seeing basically the folks that live
Speaker 2: in that place, and there's something really special about that.
Speaker 2: So I always imagine, actually that I would have thought
Speaker 2: that Australia does have, you know, these roads tape.
Speaker 4: The closest I can think of would be probably the
Speaker 4: small town bakeries. We can go in and sit down
Speaker 4: and every every town claims they've won the best custard
Speaker 4: tast four years running.
Speaker 3: The best.
Speaker 2: That's some metal class I was assuming. I was assuming
Speaker 2: that an Australian roadside, and that Australia is felled to
Speaker 2: the place that we can get a free knafe in
Speaker 2: the knack if you if you sit down and the wrong.
Speaker 4: There there's so many pubs that you wouldn't want to,
Speaker 4: you know, go into and certainly, but I'm not sure
Speaker 4: if I was driving a truck across Australia, I'm not
Speaker 4: really sure where they do stop. It might be this
Speaker 4: gas stations or sorry, petrol stations that they can grab
Speaker 4: a coffee or a coke.
Speaker 2: Bat pro Americans think of of of Australian road tape
Speaker 2: places you stop in you've been driving for four days straight.
Speaker 2: You're one fiftieth across Australia. You walk through the doors
Speaker 2: of the roadhouse and they have the cowboy styles samoon doors.
Speaker 2: You walk in. Paul Hogan and fifty other men who
Speaker 2: look like Paul Hogan are sitting there. You walk up
Speaker 2: to the bar completely oblivious while all these men in
Speaker 2: leather vests watch you. You go, can I have a beer?
Speaker 2: And the bartender says what kind of beer? And you go,
Speaker 2: and this is your biggest mistake. You go, I'll have
Speaker 2: a stella autoi and the bartender stops wiping the bar
Speaker 2: and he goes, you want to what, mate, and you say,
Speaker 2: I'll have a stella artua and he goes, we don't
Speaker 2: have any gotten damn. You have ten different kinds of
Speaker 2: fosters and you'll drink it and you'll like it, and
Speaker 2: they bury you in the middle of nowhere and no
Speaker 2: one ever finds your body and the world continues like
Speaker 2: that is how Americans think.
Speaker 3: Of That happens to all of us, at least once
Speaker 3: you know I'll have a.
Speaker 2: Stellar the least Australian beer.
Speaker 4: Before we before we go. One other point I want
Speaker 4: to make about I love I love a road movie
Speaker 4: in fact, some of my favorite films, you know, planes,
Speaker 4: trains and automobiles sideways, which sideways. I thought of sideways
Speaker 4: quite a bit in this because the characters are set
Speaker 4: up in a similar kind of way that you know,
Speaker 4: Louise wants to kind of really kind of you know,
Speaker 4: have a bit of a girl strip away and this,
Speaker 4: you know, some.
Speaker 3: Time and anytime the men come up, she's like shoes
Speaker 3: them away.
Speaker 4: So she's more than Paul g and Mardi character and
Speaker 4: here and Elma's more Thomas Hayden Church who's maybe up
Speaker 4: for a good time and some some distractions. It works
Speaker 4: really well because in all these kinds of road movies
Speaker 4: they have to help each other out, you know, and
Speaker 4: they get the balance really well here and it's it's
Speaker 4: mainly Louise helping Thelma out for the first half ish,
Speaker 4: you know, really until j D does the runner and
Speaker 4: then and then Jimmy leaves. You know, they've they've kind
Speaker 4: of said they're going to go their separate ways, and
Speaker 4: then it's Thelma's turn to pick up pick up Louise
Speaker 4: and it's it's all road movies need to have that
Speaker 4: where there it can't just be one person helping the other,
Speaker 4: you know, and I think this does it really well.
Speaker 2: It's a truly great friendship, Like it's a really good
Speaker 2: that never gets compromised. Actually the two are man at
Speaker 2: each other, but the story never moves forward because one
Speaker 2: of them betrays the other or one of them. You know,
Speaker 2: Thelma is a little bit more she's not an airhead,
Speaker 2: but she's a little bit you know, less on it
Speaker 2: than Louise's. I didn't think, you know, the characters are
Speaker 2: are sort of painted that way and thought of that way,
Speaker 2: but they never let each other down Morley, you know,
Speaker 2: like Thelma, let's j D. Thelma's ripped off by j D.
Speaker 2: But but it's you know, then she goes and and
Speaker 2: robs the gas station, which is wildly out of character
Speaker 2: for her. And and you know, the the truck driver
Speaker 2: that's seen with the truck driver at the end is
Speaker 2: so fun and and and funny when they when they
Speaker 2: blow up, when they blow up his struck. He is
Speaker 2: a real uh he is a bit pastigy. That guy's work.
Speaker 3: He was on the white on Australian pub I think
Speaker 3: in the app back.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, that that dude's never even heard us.
Speaker 2: But but I but yeah, it's it's a great movie
Speaker 2: about about friends, and it is a really fun watch
Speaker 2: because their interplay is so delightful and the subplot is
Speaker 2: how great are these two women? That is the The
Speaker 2: subplot is these these these women haven't And it is
Speaker 2: a great feminist film because I don't be like, here
Speaker 2: are two white men discussing why but the film isn't
Speaker 2: isn't about brad Pet's apps. The film is about these
Speaker 2: these two women who have a really tough situation. But
Speaker 2: for you know, an hour and a half, you get
Speaker 2: lost in this wonderful friendship between the two. You can't
Speaker 2: help but be transported by it. And it's so elegantly
Speaker 2: done and the writing is so so so perfect. I
Speaker 2: would love to I wonder what Kelly Kohorri has has
Speaker 2: said about this. It's our first screenplay, and it's a
Speaker 2: big it's a really big one. It's really really.
Speaker 4: It's it's it's fantastic. And I just want to point
Speaker 4: out one more thing, which was in the lert this.
Speaker 4: As I was watching, I did a little dive into
Speaker 4: some behind the scenes stuff. The final shot, which I've
Speaker 4: spoken about before.
Speaker 3: We don't need to go back over a game but
Speaker 3: the final shot, uh, it's our film in Louise and
Speaker 3: their little final tree. They shot that in forty five minutes.
Speaker 4: They had they had spent so much time shooting Harvey
Speaker 4: Kaiitel's stuff, and the sun was going down, so they
Speaker 4: only had forty five minutes to shoot Elwen Louise and
Speaker 4: their final act.
Speaker 3: Which I understand.
Speaker 4: You know, I make television, I've made a film, and
Speaker 4: I understand that light can get to you and trap
Speaker 4: you at the end of the day. But for a
Speaker 4: for a landmark feminist film to spend more time shooting
Speaker 4: Harvey Kaito than the final scene with their two protagonists,
Speaker 4: you know, I think it's a little bit off brand.
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean, but it works. That final scene, that
Speaker 2: final scene really does the movie. Someone used the phrase
Speaker 2: perfect movie to describe it, and it's hard to sorry.
Speaker 2: I can hear my brother running a bath in the background.
Speaker 7: That's making me crazy. That's what quarantine as. I'm like,
Speaker 7: I'm trying to work here, my brother, like, I.
Speaker 2: Need a bath. I can't be a shower. You need
Speaker 2: to be a bath. But this problem of the small house.
Speaker 3: And he's an Olympic wrestler. You let him take his bath.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm not. I'm not going to master him.
Speaker 2: He can take his bath. But but but I do
Speaker 2: think Harvey k Tell is so good in this movie.
Speaker 4: I wanted to bring up Harvey Cartel because that's an
Speaker 4: you know, he has an interesting you know, change of heart.
Speaker 4: Obviously throughout this scene he's obviously he's trying to track
Speaker 4: them down. You know, you don't really I didn't really
Speaker 4: see it coming that he was going to soften and
Speaker 4: kind of see it from you know, maybe start putting
Speaker 4: the pieces together. I think there's more to this case
Speaker 4: and more to these women than were given them a
Speaker 4: given credit for.
Speaker 2: But also I think the movie rewards the movie isn't
Speaker 2: just feminist because it's about female friendship. It also rewards
Speaker 2: a different kind of prioritize intelligent stuff from emotional intelligence
Speaker 2: is the most important thing in the movie. And Harvey
Speaker 2: Kayitell what he is emotionally attuned to what's happening. He's
Speaker 2: not just like a square headed cop being a square
Speaker 2: headed copy. He understands what these women are going through
Speaker 2: and what's going on in the pressure that they must
Speaker 2: be under with stupid husbands and shitty roadhouse situations. And
Speaker 2: so I think that Kelly Kahurry and really Scott really
Speaker 2: reward characters for having emotional growth and emotional Even when
Speaker 2: JD is explained to at the police station what he's
Speaker 2: done to the women by forcing them into a really
Speaker 2: bad situation, you get a sense that he's given a
Speaker 2: little bit of grace for sort of being made aware
Speaker 2: what's happened. And so I think it prioritizes Harvey Kayeell's
Speaker 2: and Hebrew you'd say, see like his sort of like
Speaker 2: getting it is the most important thing in this.
Speaker 7: Movie, and Harvey Kytel gets it, so I think, and
Speaker 7: clearly it was shot with some with you know, with
Speaker 7: with the utmost priority for forgetting.
Speaker 4: When when he says, when Harvey Cartel says that Brad Pitt,
Speaker 4: do you think your actions put these women in a
Speaker 4: dangerous place? Kind of really sums up probably the entire
Speaker 4: theme of the movie, really, the actions of men that
Speaker 4: put women in dangerous places.
Speaker 2: You should be a film critic. I'm not.
Speaker 7: I'm not, like, I really think that you that you
Speaker 7: although I want to see I want to see I
Speaker 7: want to see Peter give a film two thumbs down,
Speaker 7: and I want to know what I know all your
Speaker 7: favorite movies, Peter, I want to know which movie you
Speaker 7: despise so much.
Speaker 3: The only movie I've walked out on. I wouldn't really
Speaker 3: call it the movie, but in bed with Madonna I
Speaker 3: walked out of that.
Speaker 2: What a hard hitting opinion to not like Madonna.
Speaker 4: Well, there are those movies that you, yeah, you watch
Speaker 4: before they're supposed to make sense to you. And I think,
Speaker 4: you know, we mentioned Field of Dreams for whatever reason
Speaker 4: when I was twelve. Even though I feel like I
Speaker 4: should have connected with it for some reason, I didn't.
Speaker 4: And it'll be to see if I reconnect when I
Speaker 4: watch it again.
Speaker 2: You know. I wonder that to that point, that whether
Speaker 2: or not I would have enjoyed this movie or understood
Speaker 2: it in the same way when I was a teenager,
Speaker 2: because I think this movie means more to people at
Speaker 2: different points in their life, Like for me seeing it
Speaker 2: was different than my friend Hannah and Josh Harmon the playwright,
Speaker 2: and Natty and Natalie, like, I think all of us
Speaker 2: had different all positive the movie is incredible, but all
Speaker 2: of us had different reactions to it. I thought, Oh,
Speaker 2: you know what Natalie pointed out, which is really brilliant.
Speaker 2: She said, Wow, I was like the cinematographer knows how
Speaker 2: to shoot women. It reminds me of the cinematography and
Speaker 2: Alien and it's the same guy. It's Adrian Biddle, who
Speaker 2: is a great director of photography. And the way that
Speaker 2: you know, he lights sweat on a face, in the
Speaker 2: way that he puts that that he that he's able
Speaker 2: to sort of define the jaws of these women to
Speaker 2: give them really powerful set look. You know, is he
Speaker 2: These women are lit like they're in an action movie.
Speaker 2: Actual they have this great conversation and there's still a
Speaker 2: softness to them, but they're lit and shot, as Natalie
Speaker 2: points out, the same way you know, they're they're shot
Speaker 2: and alien and uh and Adrian Biddle did the cinematography
Speaker 2: for Aliens as well. But like, but yeah, it's it's
Speaker 2: really the whole movie emphasizes the power of these of
Speaker 2: these women in a way that's really authentic.
Speaker 4: And I think that's why absolutely, Mit, I'm so grateful
Speaker 4: for you to get up probably that you have during
Speaker 4: this week quarantine period. Uh, it's it's so much fun
Speaker 4: to chat with you about about movies and life.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I really appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 2: Are you kidding? This has been the highlight of my Uh,
Speaker 2: there's been so much, so much, so much fun for
Speaker 2: me and thank you so much for having me on
Speaker 2: this and uh and what a what a thrill to
Speaker 2: see to see you this is, this is so nice.
Speaker 4: Okay, then listen, let's not get caught.
Speaker 5: What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Let's keep going.
Speaker 3: What do you mean?
Speaker 5: Go you sure?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: M hm.
Speaker 2: Hi.
Speaker 4: So there you have it, another episode if you ain't
Speaker 4: seen nothing yet, the first international episode we have recorded
Speaker 4: with Alex Edelman. What a lovely guys, like I said
Speaker 4: the intro, so smart and so generous and a Bostonian
Speaker 4: and a fellow Celtics follower. Even things out, We do
Speaker 4: have a Toronto Raptor coming up in the season two of.
Speaker 2: You Seen That Yet?
Speaker 3: In Adam Christie Alex's conversation chat was done before the playoff.
Speaker 3: In fact, I think before we went into the bubble
Speaker 3: the NBA. I spoke to Adam on the eve of
Speaker 3: the Boston Toronto series and as I record this, I
Speaker 3: am hoping Boston can wrap up the series either in
Speaker 3: Game six or Game seven. Fingers crossed. That actually reminds
Speaker 3: me that the season of first season that you ain't
Speaker 3: seen Nothing yet is coming to an end. We've got
Speaker 3: two weeks left. Next week we had Limo with wit
Speaker 3: Nail and I. It's a movie that I hadn't seen either,
Speaker 3: and it's it's kind of considered particularly amongst the British
Speaker 3: comedy fraternity. I must see. I think I have probably
Speaker 3: lied about seeing it over the years to British friends.
Speaker 3: So we sit down and we watched that. It was
Speaker 3: very conversation, and then there'll be one more episode after that.
Speaker 3: For this season.
Speaker 4: I'm still tossing up whether to take a little break.
Speaker 4: So I'm not going to chase in my tail to get.
Speaker 3: Them all out and putting my fantastic podcast manager Joke
Speaker 3: Myers from Pastways Studios, dot com, dot A. You under
Speaker 3: under pressure, So it may we may take a week
Speaker 3: or two off. I don't want to take too long.
Speaker 3: I've got no Still people who are around the world
Speaker 3: are still dealing with lockdown, and so there's a chance
Speaker 3: we may still continue to go through or extend season
Speaker 3: one and take a break later on.
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Speaker 4: Thank you also for everyone who has been inundating us
Speaker 4: with emails at yasne podcast dot com. And this one's
Speaker 4: some Simon Lindsay, Hey, tap for good listenings. You really
Speaker 4: saw that gap in the market for movie podcast One
Speaker 4: of the great pleasures of Lockdown there's been the time
Speaker 4: podcasts and movies to get through.
Speaker 3: It's been a treat. I've been rewatching the personal faves,
Speaker 3: but also just stack up as pretty perfect movies in
Speaker 3: that people order. Who's listened a few Alien Blade on
Speaker 3: a cargo, No Country of role Men, there will be blood,
Speaker 3: Jurassic Park. This is final tap. Flying high in Kremlin's
Speaker 3: He also loves a sequel. He says it's fucking bonkers,
Speaker 3: which he loves. Seven Oceans Eleven Shut the Shining Dunkirk.
Speaker 3: He thinks it's a bit underrated. I think most people
Speaker 3: kind of considered Dunkirk a great film. Break Back Mountain
Speaker 3: Duck Soup also a big David Lynch fan. Lost Highway
Speaker 3: could be his favorite film ever. And he's also be
Speaker 3: Cronenberg fans or anything for those guys. If you If
Speaker 3: I want some weirdness in the mix. All of those
Speaker 3: movies would be great to cover in this in this podcast.
Speaker 3: Also more importantly, given the latest Heat podcast with Dave Thornton,
Speaker 3: he's Tom Hilliston doing the diner scene to de Niro
Speaker 3: on Graham Norton. He's almost as good as day. So
Speaker 3: I have a listen.
Speaker 4: It's on YouTube. It's Tom Hilliston on Graham Norton doing
Speaker 4: a Robert de Niro. It's a fair bit of fun.
Speaker 3: So thank you very much to Simon for doing that,
Speaker 3: and also to Jamie Jamie Shaw, who's thoroughly in enjoying
Speaker 3: the podcast. He says, I haven't seen many of the
Speaker 3: classic movies that have been talked about before listening, but
Speaker 3: I did watch them afterwards. I had never seen The
Speaker 3: Godfather or Heat before, but I watched them both and
Speaker 3: thought they were incredible. So thank you for reinvigorating my
Speaker 3: interest in great movies. I've always been a suck at
Speaker 3: the time travel movies myself, and the Back to the
Speaker 3: Future trilogy is my all time favorite. Nothing with that
Speaker 3: plus second momento fantastic and the butterfly effect. Thanks me,
Speaker 3: keep up the great work. Thank you Jamie for listening,
Speaker 3: and I really do appreciate it, and again at Yasney
Speaker 3: podcast dot com, thank you so much. Next week we
Speaker 3: have Limo a great mate, Limo Whitnaale and I check
Speaker 3: it out. I know, I'm sure a lot of you
Speaker 3: haven't seen it. It's more of a culty kind of
Speaker 3: film because compared to some of the films we've covered
Speaker 3: so far. But we both had a pretty interesting reaction
Speaker 3: to it. It's one of those movies that happened a
Speaker 3: couple of times where I think we kind of talked
Speaker 3: to each other around to it a bit. We both
Speaker 3: watched it night before and yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was a great chat.
Speaker 3: So that's next week on. You won't say nothing yet
Speaker 3: until then, look out for yourselves.
Speaker 7: And so we leave Old Pete, save Mansel, and to
Speaker 7: our friends of the radio audience, we've been a pleasant
Speaker 7: good night.