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Speaker 1: Now, yesterday afternoon the Northern Territory Government declared an emergency

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Speaker 1: Commissioner and Police Minister stood side by side in Parliament House,

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Speaker 2: Stand for it.

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Speaker 1: So as of last night, residents of Alice Springs under

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Speaker 1: the age of eighteen would not be allowed out between

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Speaker 2: Under this new.

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Speaker 1: Curfew, an extra twenty five police officers and thirty three

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Speaker 1: Police Auxiliary liquor inspectors are going to be deployed to

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Speaker 1: the Territory Safety Division which were already flown in. Now

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Speaker 1: joining us on the lane from Alice Springs this morning

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Speaker 1: is the Independent Member for Aarra lu And Robin Lambley.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Robin, good morning Katie Robin, how

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Speaker 1: did things go last night?

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Speaker 3: Well, apparently things were reasonably quiet on the streets. I

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Speaker 1: Well, Robin, what we've seen on Tuesday was appalling. There's

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Speaker 1: no other way to put it. That vision was absolutely terrible,

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Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong, but the tip of the iceberg.

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Speaker 1: For so many of you that have lived in Alice

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Speaker 3: Think most of us have never seen that level of

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Speaker 3: It's still shocking and revolting. And yeah, I think most

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Speaker 2: Do you think that that decisive action is enough, Robin.

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Speaker 3: Well, if they follow through with exactly what they said

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Speaker 3: that's great. And also, of course the introduction the first

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Speaker 2: Have they amount something in relation to that?

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Speaker 1: Did they actually say that, you know, if people are

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Speaker 1: Katie Robin tell me you've also like the palis are

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Speaker 2: I said that's not enough. They're now sending more.

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Speaker 1: I believe you're going to have a total of sort

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Speaker 3: Well, it will make a huge difference. But I don't

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Speaker 1: Robin, what needs to happen long term to really sort

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Speaker 3: Well, it is a short fix what we've been offered,

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Speaker 3: It's the short term fix that I think we've been missing.

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Speaker 3: So I think we need full coverage of the police

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Speaker 3: the youth curfew beyond fourteen days, almost definitely fourteen days.

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Speaker 3: By the end of fourteen days, the kids will have

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Speaker 3: That is a good starting point. But I also think,

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Speaker 1: What do you make of the Chief Minister saying, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard it, but she said

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think that's the case.

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Speaker 1: I think if we were able to use the Australian

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Speaker 3: Now that's yes, Look, that's nonsense. What we see on

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Speaker 3: whoever it is. We have to turn the tables around.

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Speaker 1: What do you say to those people that say, you know,

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Speaker 3: No, it's just law and order, Katie. If we don't

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Speaker 3: And I think they're struggling, I think we're hearing all

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Speaker 1: Who do you thinks holding back on asking for that

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Speaker 3: The Northern Territory Labor government because it's a signal of failure,

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Speaker 3: Albanez he hasn't been to Alice Springs for over a year,

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Speaker 3: He needs to come back and see it for himself,

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Speaker 3: hear the stories from people who have been affected. I

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Speaker 3: This has had a long term impact on the lives

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Speaker 3: ALBANIZI needs to come out to Olie Springs and see

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Speaker 3: given a go. I think it's the same principle that

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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister has to use. He has to come

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Speaker 3: out here and experience and see for himself and realize

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Speaker 3: that we need extra help. And I don't see it forever.

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Speaker 3: I see it as a temporary measure just to instare law,

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Speaker 3: restore law and order. And if people want to call

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Speaker 3: that an intervention or some sort of racist strategy that

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Speaker 3: people like need want, I couldn't care less because I

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Speaker 3: know that Aboriginal people in this town have had a

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Speaker 3: gutfull of it too. They are sick to death of

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Speaker 3: these people disrespecting them, and they're no different from the

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Speaker 3: non Aboriginal people. We're all in the same boat.

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Speaker 2: We don't want this, no, that's it.

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Speaker 1: But it's reached a point where everybody's had enough. Robin Lamley,

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Speaker 1: we are going to have to leave it there. The

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Speaker 1: Independent member Farah Lawns, thank you, as always for your time.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie, thank you