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Speaker 1: Take a listen to what the Chief Minister, Michael Gunner

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Speaker 2: Mine's standing here. I might have to go double check

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Speaker 2: about to happen. The Chow has said that the vax

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Speaker 1: So that was whether you know people should still be

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Speaker 1: Alex Bruce had to say after that interview. There is

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Speaker 1: Did you hear that and have you had any update

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Speaker 2: We've just come from a meeting with the Chief help

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Speaker 2: They definitely didn't indicate anything of that nature.

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Speaker 1: So that was when I'd asked about whether the vaccine

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Speaker 4: It was due to be removed and no longer needed.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm on the website at the moment, I'm on

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Speaker 4: I mean, it all sounds a bit ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: So I've got to now essentially, like I've just said,

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Speaker 1: is Bill Yan, the opposition spokesperson for Health. Good morning

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Speaker 1: to you, Bill, Good morning to you, Bill.

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Speaker 3: Yes, good morning Katie, how are you.

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Speaker 4: Very well now?

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Speaker 2: Bill?

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Speaker 4: What do you know of these changes?

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Speaker 3: Well, the first that we heard about it was that

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Speaker 3: what a joke to say that you can go to

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Speaker 3: We've been raising this for some time now. I know

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Speaker 3: What's the difference here? Like, if I'm sitting next to

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense really at all. But the

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Speaker 3: Well, that is the million dollar question, isn't it?

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Speaker 3: What happens if I go to the footy with a

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Speaker 4: It beggars believed.

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Speaker 1: It makes it really hard. And look, it's hard to

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Speaker 3: So I'm just going to have to change how we

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Speaker 1: There is obviously rules in place for a reason. But

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Speaker 3: I've been here. I just love one day to actually

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Speaker 3: I reckon I'd fall out of my chair if it

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Speaker 1: Optimist, absolutely so, Bill Yan, the Opposition spokesperson for Health.

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Speaker 1: Always appreciate your time, mate, particularly on such a busy day.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Jeez.

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Speaker 3: Can you have a great day you too,