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Speaker 1: Well, as you've heard, a history making by election on

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Speaker 1: The opposition leader Leafanocchiara joins me on the show right now.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Leah.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katy and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Have you monday, Leah, what do you think this victory

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Speaker 3: Look, it's clearly not the result that we wanted over

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Speaker 3: the weekend, Katie, and we thank everyone who did come

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Speaker 3: fact that our message around you know, the government gutting

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Speaker 1: I guess you can polish it however you like, or

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, it was still

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Speaker 3: I mean, talk about polishing, Katie, this historic loss line

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Speaker 3: Of course, this has been a volatile seat for its

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Speaker 3: And ultimately we increase our margin in the rural area,

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Speaker 1: Do you think, though, that you that the COLP focused

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Speaker 3: Look, we had a fantastic group of volunteers come out

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Speaker 3: And ultimately, even our messages were very strong, you know, Katie,

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Speaker 1: The wrong move though, to run a candidate from Tenant Creek.

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Speaker 3: No, Chris was an exceptional candidate. He'd lived and worked

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Speaker 1: But doesn't really I mean, you're still lost. And again

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Speaker 1: Leah, what does this say about your leadership? The Deputy

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Speaker 2: So what we need to do now going forward is

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Speaker 1: So Lea, you are safe as the leader of the CLP.

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Speaker 1: Who's going to take on the shadow portfolios which were

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Speaker 1: One of the criticisms that we get a view on

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Speaker 2: Now, they're very good at spinning it.

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Speaker 1: Lea, I am going to move along. There is one

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Speaker 3: Well, I think this is the first time we've heard

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Speaker 2: It's about knowing what the health advice is.

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