1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,639 Speaker 1: It's a real change of pace. Though. 2 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 2: Right now an interesting situation which I've been contacted at 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 2: about by a number of listeners, and it's parking at 4 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:08,040 Speaker 2: the Waterfront. 5 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: Now. 6 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 2: I've not been into the multi level car park for 7 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 2: a while, but it seems that the car parks in 8 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: there have been made a bit smaller, or there's markings 9 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 2: making them a bit smaller. 10 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: That is what our listeners are telling us. 11 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 2: Now joining me on the line is the Darwin Waterfront 12 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: Corporation Deputy CEO Sam Burke. 13 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: Good morning to you. 14 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 3: Sam, get akd listeners. 15 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: Now, Sam, have those car parks in the multi level 16 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 2: car park been made smaller with yellow line markings? 17 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? So this is a fun conversation parking to talk about, 18 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 3: isn't it. But what we've done is the multi story 19 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:47,319 Speaker 3: was obviously built about twelve thirteen years ago and it's 20 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 3: always been, as I'm sure you'd know, a relatively pokey facility. 21 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 3: It's quite tight. It's design. What we've encountered over a 22 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 3: number of years is the fact that when people, particularly 23 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 3: on the lower level, don't park properly inside the bay 24 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 3: or have oversized vehicles, two cars can't pass each other 25 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 3: down the central corridor, and also pedestrians can't walk safely, 26 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 3: and in fact cars are coming around corners blinded by 27 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 3: our mis parked vehicle and potentially colliding with pedestrians. So 28 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 3: this is a serious safety issue for us on review, 29 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 3: and we've sort of tried a whole bunch of tricks 30 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: to control how people park over a number of years. 31 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 3: Ultimately none of them worked. Now we have implemented a 32 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 3: yellow line on a select number of parking bays on 33 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 3: the first couple of levels, and all that is, without 34 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 3: boring you and your listeners, is it's effectively a mandated 35 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 3: small car park that's enforced through the use of a 36 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 3: yellow line for those first couple of levels. 37 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: Get on a large to how many car parks are 38 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: we talking here, it's a. 39 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 3: Couple of hundred out of the five hundred bay two 40 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 3: hour free parking facility that we have. So you have 41 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 3: a if you have a larger vehicle like I have 42 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 3: a range of used, I go up onto level six. 43 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 3: But basically anything up from about level four onwards there's 44 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 3: no yellow line, and all of the signage said if 45 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 3: you have a big car, police just park higher up 46 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 3: so that we can make it as safe as possible 47 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 3: on most lower level. 48 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 2: So you're talking like about two hundred car parks out 49 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 2: of the five hundred car multi story car park there. 50 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: That's like, that's a huge number that have. 51 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 2: Been taken out that you know, a bigger car cart 52 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 2: parking well two KD. 53 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 3: We have nearly two thousand parks within our controlled stocks 54 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 3: at the waterfront, and what we're saying is for these 55 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 3: few hundred bays that are the most constrained and also 56 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 3: the busiest, and they're free for two hours, so we're 57 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 3: not charging people to park in there. It's three hours free. 58 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 3: If you're a waterfront member, please do the right thing 59 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 3: and either park behind the yellow line with your tires 60 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 3: or if you can't or you have a bigger vehicle, 61 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 3: another thirty seconds and you're on a level where you 62 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 3: can park comfortably. So that's what that's and it's honestly 63 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 3: it's for the safety of our patrons and visitors. We 64 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 3: take no joy from these type of regulatory matters, but 65 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 3: we don't want to see a pedestrian get it. And 66 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 3: we also know particularly as it gets busy, but the 67 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 3: whole facility goes into gridlock when two vehicles can't pass 68 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 3: each other. Because people have overpassed. 69 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 2: Sam, it sounds like a design floor though to be 70 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: in a situation where you're having to take that many 71 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: parts out. 72 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, and it's a design floor that we 73 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 3: have sort of inherited the current management theme and we're 74 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 3: managing it as best as we can. Of course, if 75 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 3: you're building a new multi story today and you know 76 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 3: we have the State Square underground car park now in 77 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 3: our stock as well, that one has beautiful wide lanes 78 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 3: and the car parks are much more functional. We have 79 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 3: to do the best with this facility that we can, 80 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 3: and we don't charge people for the first two hours. 81 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 3: It's very cheap parking in there for longer than that, 82 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 3: and we're just asking people to work with us. 83 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 2: So, Sam, my understanding is that the national standard for 84 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: a car park for those car parking bays is two 85 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 2: point four meters by five point four meters. What size 86 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: are these ones that are in the multi level. 87 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 3: Car park, Well, they're effectively small bays. So a couple 88 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 3: of things about getting technical, like Australian standards are guidance 89 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 3: and they're also useful for when you're designing new facilities 90 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 3: and they don't overrule regulatory requirements or municipal authorities. So 91 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 3: that's important from a technical perspective, because I have seen 92 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 3: some commentary around whether or not the bays comply. We're 93 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 3: working with small car parks here. If we just put 94 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 3: up the signs which you would have seen elsewhere that 95 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 3: just say small car bays or small car only, what 96 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 3: does that mean is what we encountered. So land cruises 97 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 3: are parking in there and say, oh, I don't know, 98 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 3: I'm relatively small compared to a giant American New tour whatever, 99 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 3: and the facility comes to a gridlock. So the road 100 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 3: rules have an ability to enforce yellow line breaches. That's 101 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,799 Speaker 3: what we've ultimately gone with after years trying to enforce 102 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 3: parking through other mechanisms. That's the only one we have, 103 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 3: like the yellow line. It's a clunky solution, but we've 104 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 3: got a difficult facility to manage. And the only other 105 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 3: regulatory option we have, and we don't like finding people, 106 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 3: but the only other regulatory option we have is if 107 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 3: you failed to comply with a sign assigned direction of 108 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 3: the waterfront. We actually have in our by laws that 109 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 3: that's an offense, but it's sort of like four hundred 110 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 3: and fifty dollars for that offense, and we didn't want 111 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 3: to do that. So it was it was how do 112 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 3: we control this, how do we make it as safe 113 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 3: as possible. We know people are not going to love 114 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 3: anything parking related. That's the most controversial and difficulty. But 115 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, there are hundreds and 116 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 3: hundreds of car parks with no yellow line in that facility, 117 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 3: and there's over a thousand other car parks with no 118 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 3: yellow lines. 119 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 2: So Sam tell us, so are people being fined? Are 120 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 2: people being fined though if they park in those car 121 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: parks how much? 122 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 3: No, they certainly are. So it's an eighty dollars infringement. 123 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 3: And I will say this has been in place for 124 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 3: getting on eight months now. For the first couple of 125 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 3: months we were warning people with notices under their windscreen. 126 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 3: This has been heavily advertised. There is signage everywhere, and 127 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 3: to be honest with you, the offenses that are being 128 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 3: fined are for pretty obvious breaches. So if you drive 129 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 3: into a multi story car park, you read the signs 130 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 3: that are there. And if you're hanging a car right 131 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 3: out into the roadway, making it unsafe for pedestrians and 132 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 3: for vehicles, you are going to get an infringement instead. 133 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 3: Of course, if people have an issue with that, they 134 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: can always contact the corporation the information about how to 135 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 3: appeal it. From the back. 136 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 2: Sam, how many like how many cars have you had 137 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 2: damaged or have you had pedestrians hit? What kind of 138 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 2: incidents have you had happened to actually warrant the changes 139 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: because I guess considering the fact that it was you know, 140 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 2: that it was operating for such a long period of 141 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: time and now you've had to take these changes, you know, 142 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 2: I'm assuming that there have been incidents that have sort 143 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 2: of forced you to make this decision. 144 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, It's an issue that has continuously come up on 145 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 3: our risk management mechanisms as sort of a red flag. 146 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 3: The fact that as soon as it gets busy, that 147 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 3: central corridor becomes effectively gridlocked. Pedestrians can't move through there, 148 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 3: and we've had a large number of near misses of 149 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 3: pedestrians and we've also had damage to vehicles when people 150 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 3: try to come around those corners and basically collide with 151 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 3: another vehicle. If you're ever in there on an event day, 152 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 3: that facility is very difficult to navigate and it's almost 153 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 3: always due to cars hanging over. Now that's not the 154 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 3: before the yellow line. That was not the parker's fault 155 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 3: because there was no control mechanism. They parked as best 156 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 3: as they thought they could, and the facility is really 157 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 3: really tight. What we're saying is it's very tight. We 158 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 3: have to manage these lower levels which are the busiest, 159 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 3: and if you've got a bigger car, please drive for 160 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 3: another thirty seconds up to a level where there are 161 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 3: no yellow lines. And there's almost always capacity in that 162 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 3: facility too. 163 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 2: There's a few people messaging through saying ninety dollar fine 164 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 2: it is that's insane. 165 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: It's more than what the council charges. 166 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 3: Yes, it's eighty dollars and effectively that's the prescribed a 167 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 3: sense under the road rules through the Northern Territory Traffic Regulation, 168 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 3: so we didn't make that number up. That's what the 169 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 3: offense code is. As I said, the only other regulatory 170 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 3: mechanism that we have is something called file to comply 171 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 3: with waterfront signage direction, which is like four hundred and 172 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 3: ninety dollars. So I don't think that makes every happy, 173 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 3: but it's sort of. That was often because we just 174 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 3: can't find people, we have to have a regulatory basis 175 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 3: to issue a feign. We can't just make them up. 176 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 3: And so, as I said, this has been a long 177 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 3: process to get to this point. I have to say, Okadi, 178 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 3: the park in that facility is a thousand times better 179 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 3: since this has been brought in and people have got 180 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 3: to know it and we have various grace and education periods. 181 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 3: The vast majority of people now parked perfect and things 182 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 3: flow much better and much more safely. So we are 183 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 3: very happy. 184 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 2: Is this the reason why the Waterfront Corporation have had 185 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 2: to to build that other car park as well, because 186 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 2: otherwise you'd be in a situation where you don't really 187 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,079 Speaker 2: have the volume of car parks I would assume that 188 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 2: you need. 189 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 3: Car Parking at the Waterfront has always been relatively constrained, 190 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 3: and a lot of people like the multi story because 191 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 3: it's free. When we have charged parking during the day, 192 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 3: then on the weekend, because the Multi story does charge 193 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 3: up for two hours, everyone wants to park outside of it. 194 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 3: We've now got an okay nalance to parks. But the 195 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 3: good thing is we do so many amazing free community events. 196 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 3: We do so many activations, and there's so much to 197 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 3: do at the waterfront demand is a good problem to have, 198 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 3: but we can always use more more car parking, so 199 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 3: it's just a it's an endless it's an endless issue. 200 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 3: But we do have the State Square underground car park 201 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 3: now in our off and we're going to continue to 202 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 3: look at ways to connect that into the waterfront more 203 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,119 Speaker 3: effectively as I overflow. 204 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: Well, Sam Burke, the Darwin Waterfront Corporation Deputy CEO, good 205 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 2: to speak with you this morning. I appreciate you coming 206 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 2: on and talking about that parking. 207 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 3: Thanks, Kattie, Well, chat about something more fun next time 208 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 3: or more excited, but always happy to talk about anything 209 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 3: with you. 210 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks for your time.