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Speaker 1: Now, as I mentioned, planning for the development of two

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Speaker 1: the Minister for Planning and Infrastructure, Evil Laula. Good morning

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Speaker 1: to your minister.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: Not too sure what happened with our phones earlier, but

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Speaker 1: glad we've got you now. Minister. We know that the

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Speaker 1: development of these suburbs, it's been in the pipeline for

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Speaker 1: a while. But why does the government feel that there

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Speaker 1: needs to be fast tracking with these suburbs.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean we're seeing that nationally now when we're

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Speaker 2: talking about cost of living pressures. So absolutely it's vitally

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Speaker 2: see greater supply and it is a supply demand issue,

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Speaker 2: so a good news story. Previously we've gone out into

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Speaker 2: That's the big overarching plan underneath that is the Greater

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Speaker 2: Holts Area Plan, and that consultation is happening now. That

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Speaker 2: consultation will it will identify areas for schools, for community

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Speaker 2: anybody can have a say on that. There's two lots

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Speaker 1: So Minister, how many houses or how many lots do

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Speaker 1: we anticipate that there is going to be with Holts

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Speaker 2: So with Holts and Holts is the area that's closest

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Speaker 2: really pushing to get those out as quickly as possible.

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Speaker 2: So you know, we've been talking about Middle Arm, we're

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Speaker 1: And so how soon do you anticipate you know that

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Speaker 1: This certainly don't happen overnight. But how soon are we anticipating, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So we're hoping that some of those seven hundred lots

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Speaker 2: soon as possible. So our plans always fifty percent in field,

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Speaker 1: So hopefully not just not just out there in Palmiston.

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Speaker 2: So that was the work. So that was Dick Goyt

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Speaker 1: I've got a question here from Chris from the DO.

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Speaker 2: So there is substantial land there. But we do want

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Speaker 1: Minister, where can people get some further information about this

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Speaker 2: So, as I said, we're at the stage of doing

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Speaker 2: But at this stage it is about people having a

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Speaker 1: So obviously, the ABC reported that the Deputy Chief Fire

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Speaker 2: We continue to get the expert advice, and the expert

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Speaker 1: Evil Ala, the Minister for Planning and Infrastructure and various

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Speaker 1: other portfolios. We appreciate your time this morning. Thanks very

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Speaker 1: much for speaking with us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you