Speaker 1: Koby Peter Hally here Welcome to You and See Nothing
Speaker 1: Yet the movie podcast where I chat to movie lovers
Speaker 1: about classic and beloved the movies they haven't quite got
Speaker 1: around to watching until now.
Speaker 2: And today's episode is a bonus episode.
Speaker 1: We're putting out this on the weekend on the Sunday,
Speaker 1: not only because people are in Lockdown, and not only
Speaker 1: because it features an AFL legend on a week where
Speaker 1: it's the by round before the finals begin, but also
Speaker 1: because I was really touched by a letter I received
Speaker 1: from Analae Warren last week. I did mention it on
Speaker 1: the show at the end of Limo Show, but I
Speaker 1: just wanted to again rededicate this episode to anla Anila
Speaker 1: wrote to me, and my hope was for this podcast
Speaker 1: to give some relief, some distractions for people during lockdown.
Speaker 1: Who are you know doing a taf or just simply
Speaker 1: even this board, you know, a fun way to spend
Speaker 1: a couple of hours watching a movie and listening to
Speaker 1: me and some mates rabbit on about that movie.
Speaker 2: Was you know what I was hoping for?
Speaker 1: And Lei Warren got on to me and really touched
Speaker 1: me with a leather and I just quickly read some
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: She just wanted to.
Speaker 1: Say the podcast has helped her get through a really
Speaker 1: tough time. She says, I was diagnosed with ovarian cancer
Speaker 1: the week we went into Lockdown two point zero in
Speaker 1: Melbourne and are now going through a chemo. It is
Speaker 1: so good to have something easy to listen to that
Speaker 1: makes me think and laugh. I really love movies, so
Speaker 1: I knew I would love this, but I didn't realize
Speaker 1: that you knew so much. I love listening to you
Speaker 1: talk about your knowledge of the industry and people you
Speaker 1: know with such warmth and fondness. Her favorite episode was
Speaker 1: Dave O'Neil talking about the Castle and takeaway. She really
Speaker 1: enjoyed that, and she just wanted to say sorry for
Speaker 1: the long message. I love watching you on the project
Speaker 1: and I hope you know how much joy you bring people.
Speaker 1: And when I read that, I had a tear in
Speaker 1: my eye. I know I have responded to your message
Speaker 1: away from the podcast, but I just wanted to reiterate
Speaker 1: that this episode is coming out. It was going to
Speaker 1: be held off for a series two, which will be
Speaker 1: We're back with You in a few weeks, but I
Speaker 1: wanted to I was inspired to get this out a
Speaker 1: bit earlier, so you could enjoy another hour or so
Speaker 1: of me banging on about movies with you know somebody
Speaker 1: who is it's Bobby is such a you know, such
Speaker 1: a great guy to hang out with. But also this
Speaker 1: movie is such a beautiful movie. Butchcash you in the
Speaker 1: sundownce kids, so a la. I hope you're doing it
Speaker 1: as well as you can do. And to everyone who's
Speaker 1: doing it tough during lockdown, even more so those who
Speaker 1: are suffering from illness or have loved ones suffering from
Speaker 1: illness and it's hard getting in the hospitals to be
Speaker 1: by their side. You know, we give you all our
Speaker 1: love and our strength and support. Very small token this
Speaker 1: episode is for you in La Okay.
Speaker 2: Enjoy racing nothing yet.
Speaker 1: Bob Murphy is a AFL footballer will now retired AFL
Speaker 1: footballer like no other. He has won so many hearts,
Speaker 1: not only during his career where his beloved Western Bulldogs
Speaker 1: that he captained won the Grand Final sadly while he
Speaker 1: was injured, and the outpouring of love and.
Speaker 2: Support was directed to Bob was.
Speaker 1: Indicative of how he has conducted himself over his career.
Speaker 1: He was the kind of player and this kind of
Speaker 1: player exists in all kinds of sports, where no matter
Speaker 1: who you support, whether you support their fiercest rivals or
Speaker 1: any of the other teams in the competition, you could
Speaker 1: not help but love the way Bob Murphy went about
Speaker 1: his playing career, not only the way he handled himself
Speaker 1: on the ground, but also off the ground. He is
Speaker 1: i'll say, just funnier than most footballers.
Speaker 2: He is more cerebral in his humor.
Speaker 1: He's a bit left of center, you know. He writes
Speaker 1: columns that drill much further than most footballers often ghost
Speaker 1: written columns do.
Speaker 2: He has written books. Leather Soul was the one, a
Speaker 2: recent one, which is an absolute cracker. I urge you
Speaker 2: if you get a chance to read Leather Soul.
Speaker 1: He loves his music, he loves his movies, and I
Speaker 1: was thrilled when Bob agreed to sit down with me.
Speaker 2: I've had a bit to do with him over the years.
Speaker 2: He was always very i'll say happy, editorialized, happy to
Speaker 2: be involved with any of the straw any sketches in
Speaker 2: the early days before the game, the n AFL football
Speaker 2: program I put together, and he was also so always
Speaker 2: great to have on. He also brought back the term
Speaker 2: rascal back into our vernacular with his Rascal of the
Speaker 2: Week segment on AFL three sixty. He's an absolutely gone
Speaker 2: gem of a human being and he was a thrilled
Speaker 2: to discuss this absolute classic with him.
Speaker 3: My name is Bob Murphy, and my three favorite films
Speaker 3: are The Big Lebowski. You know, that's just like.
Speaker 4: Your opinion, man Field of Dreams.
Speaker 2: People will come ray welcome to alework for resons they
Speaker 2: can't even fer them, and a star is born a beautiform.
Speaker 3: But until last night, as it happens, actually I'd never
Speaker 3: got around to watching Puch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.
Speaker 3: And it's a movie that, in my heart of hearts,
Speaker 3: I kind of just knew that I would love. So
Speaker 3: I can't wait to chat to Petele about that many
Speaker 3: other things.
Speaker 1: Yes, rain jobs and bullets rained down in George roy
Speaker 1: Hill's nineteen sixty nine Western classic starring proper, genuine, bona
Speaker 1: fide movie stars Paorn Newman and Robert Redford as the
Speaker 1: titular Butch Cassidy Paor Newman and the Sundance Kid. Robert Redford,
Speaker 1: the romantic Butch and the Gunslinging Sundance are celebrities in
Speaker 1: the Wild West, generous with their loot and love by most.
Speaker 1: After they rob the same man and the wrong man twice,
Speaker 1: hired guns, a super posse are sent to take them out.
Speaker 1: These hide guns are harder the shape than a Cameron
Speaker 1: lingk tag. So the boys decide it's time to leave
Speaker 1: the wide western plains of the USA, so they head
Speaker 1: to Bolivia in South America, where their fate awaits.
Speaker 2: Bob Murphy, welcome to you. Ain't seen nothing yet.
Speaker 4: Oh Pete. Thank you so much for haven't me.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: It's a it's an absolute pleasure and it's a and
Speaker 3: honestly it's a gift because you know, that list of
Speaker 3: movies that you should watch but haven't watched.
Speaker 2: Is quite a big one, and.
Speaker 3: Your your message and reaching out to me was like
Speaker 3: the kick up the ass that I needed. And it's
Speaker 3: kind of sparked Butch.
Speaker 4: Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it so much that it's kind of kick
Speaker 3: started me into Okay, now I've just got to start
Speaker 3: motoring through this list.
Speaker 4: So thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: That's absolutely the reason I'm doing this podcast pot because
Speaker 1: I I'm a movie lover and and people often will
Speaker 1: incorrectly refer to me as a film buff. But there's
Speaker 1: so many blind spots in my videography that is embarrassing
Speaker 1: to be referred to as a as a movie buff
Speaker 1: when there are so many classics I haven't seen, and
Speaker 1: I haven't seen Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kids. So
Speaker 1: this I was so stoked when you when you selected
Speaker 1: this film, and that works either way to met for me.
Speaker 1: I love watching you know, a movie a much like
Speaker 1: movie that I love, such as Et and mate hasn't
Speaker 1: seen it and knowing that they're going to watch it
Speaker 1: for the first time. But it's great when I get
Speaker 1: to watch a classic like Butch cassid in sometimes get
Speaker 1: a clockwork go range with somebody who hasn't seen it
Speaker 1: as well. Now, before we get to Butch and Sundance,
Speaker 1: I just want to circle back to your favorite films
Speaker 1: that you mentioned now. Being great sportsman, I'm not surprised
Speaker 1: to see a sports film in there.
Speaker 2: Take us through your field of dreams.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I think on the surface, like Field of Dreams.
Speaker 3: It's kind of I mean, it's it's a little bit corny,
Speaker 3: pardon the pun. It is said in the corn the
Speaker 3: corn field of ice. So there's definitely an element of it.
Speaker 3: But when I watched it is when it came out,
Speaker 3: I really liked it, but I thought of it as
Speaker 3: a baseball sort of film, yeah, and then sort of
Speaker 3: coming back to it later in life as a and
Speaker 3: then you know, as a as a pair as well,
Speaker 3: sort of watching it through the lens of you know,
Speaker 3: sort of nearing middle age and fatherhood and all that
Speaker 3: sort of stuff, it just gets to me. It just
Speaker 3: it is one of those films that it's probably not
Speaker 3: the coolest film to put on your list of favorite, but.
Speaker 4: In my heart of hearts, I like I could watch
Speaker 4: it today.
Speaker 3: Like if I watched it yesterday and then tonight I
Speaker 3: get home and I said, hey, we should watch it,
Speaker 3: I'll be like, yeah, let's watch Field of Dreams.
Speaker 4: It makes me feel good. I love Kevin Costner.
Speaker 3: I don't know the rules of baseball all that well,
Speaker 3: but I just love the romance and baseball. And I
Speaker 3: do love kind of early nineties because I was born
Speaker 3: in eighty two, but I kind of consider myself a
Speaker 3: nineties kid, and it's just such a sweet spot of
Speaker 3: nineties early nineties cinema, which just kind of makes me
Speaker 3: feel good.
Speaker 4: It's just a great story. I like the surrealism of it.
Speaker 4: I've just created something totally alargical.
Speaker 1: Just plackabu absolutely and Robert Redford will be chatting to
Speaker 1: a lot today.
Speaker 2: Do you where does the Natural set in your in
Speaker 2: your movieography?
Speaker 4: Well, it's it's up so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I played footing and all that sort
Speaker 3: of thing, and so sports movies do, I do kind
Speaker 3: of have a leaning to ord them and baseball have
Speaker 3: the baseball and boxing of the two sports that kind
Speaker 3: of have the best kind of have the best sports film.
Speaker 3: So The Natural, Bull Durham. Yeah, they're all lovely, but
Speaker 3: there's yeah, Becaurse one and two, there's just something that
Speaker 3: there's just something. I mean, yeah, Field of Dreams has
Speaker 3: a magical kind of theme through it, but there's something
Speaker 3: about it that just it just hits in that sweet
Speaker 3: spot for me that I can just couldn't go back
Speaker 3: to it again and again. And he's the big Lebowski.
Speaker 3: A sporting film, Well, that's a good question. Is it
Speaker 3: a sporting film? Is it a comedy? Is it a
Speaker 3: is it a commentary on the Gulf War? I mean
Speaker 3: it's it may it may be all three of those things,
Speaker 3: it may be something completely different.
Speaker 4: The Big Lebowski is one of those.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's you know, it's an indie sort of
Speaker 3: cult sort of classic and like like your favorite indie band, that.
Speaker 4: Movie kind of feels like yours.
Speaker 3: Like it's like, that's like the sense of humor in
Speaker 3: The Big Lebowski, in the dry sort of.
Speaker 4: Humor of it.
Speaker 3: And the ridiculousness of the characters and how it all
Speaker 3: sort of works in it feels like it's it's not
Speaker 3: a movie for everyone, and that's what that's what kind
Speaker 3: of that sort appeals to it. You know, there's a
Speaker 3: bit of that snobbery involved around maybe as well, but
Speaker 3: it does kind of feel like that's why I like
Speaker 3: putting it on a list. It's like, that's that's what
Speaker 3: makes me laugh. That's the that's the absolute funny bone
Speaker 3: for me that you know.
Speaker 2: The dude mister Treehorn tells us that he had to
Speaker 2: eject you from his garden party, that you were drunk
Speaker 2: and abusive.
Speaker 4: Mister Treehorn treats objects like women, man, and I do
Speaker 4: kind of feel like, even though it's, you know, a
Speaker 4: movie that was released.
Speaker 3: Around the world and loved by millions. It does feel
Speaker 3: like it's it's my film, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the Coen Brothers made it for you.
Speaker 3: Did they?
Speaker 4: Did they? That's nice. I mean it's one thing to
Speaker 4: know it, but it's one thing to really know.
Speaker 2: You know, you've always suspected it, but it's just it's.
Speaker 4: Yeah, mega muffins those.
Speaker 1: I tell you it's I think it's probably maybe along
Speaker 1: with Fargo.
Speaker 2: If you look in the editing into.
Speaker 1: The Coen Brothers bast you know, filmography, then then the
Speaker 1: Big lab bask is probably the best entry point. And
Speaker 1: if you don't like the Big Labanski doesn't mean your
Speaker 1: way old country for you know, yeah, yeah, it just
Speaker 1: means that. You know, if you love the Big Labouski,
Speaker 1: you'll probably love everything that brothers. This is the Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is its kind of beat. It's got a bit
Speaker 1: of it's not it's not going to stick to.
Speaker 3: The formulaic kind of way of filmmaking. And I'm just
Speaker 3: I'm a Coen Brothers guys. You know there, what do
Speaker 3: they say, You're buy season tickets to certain sort of
Speaker 3: directors where if they put something out, I'll just watch it.
Speaker 3: I'll just make it in a matter of habit sort
Speaker 3: of thing.
Speaker 2: I agree, I'm not by see some tickets for the
Speaker 2: Coen Brothers for Tarantino. Alexander Payne, Yeah, right, Anderson would
Speaker 2: be my four seat. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I would probably throw Scorsese in as well.
Speaker 2: From yes. Yeah. And finally, there's been four versions of
Speaker 2: A Star is Born? Which one are you referring to?
Speaker 3: I am referring to the the of course of Judy Garland. Yeah,
Speaker 3: just because you know, I don't want to come on
Speaker 3: a you know, a podcast about proper high art filmmaking
Speaker 3: and think that I'll just go for the recent box
Speaker 3: office hit.
Speaker 4: With that Lady Gaga Seeler and the other Cooper fella,
Speaker 4: let's get out of this. No.
Speaker 3: So I went went and saw that when it came out,
Speaker 3: and really had you know, when you go to the
Speaker 3: movies blind, not not drunk, you know, you go in
Speaker 3: So I didn't really I'm not even sure if i'd
Speaker 3: seen the preview, but was like, okay, let's go see
Speaker 3: the Lady Gaga film.
Speaker 2: So I was not.
Speaker 4: I didn't have any emotional armor on at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And as soon as it started, I had that hunting.
Speaker 3: This is my kind of aesthetic I like a bit
Speaker 3: of do like a bit of a down and out
Speaker 3: country singer, like the sad cowboy. Don't mind a bit
Speaker 3: of that. And as soon as I said, I was in,
Speaker 3: and when it finished, it felt like it felt like
Speaker 3: proper grief. It honestly felt like I really took it
Speaker 3: heart really, without spoiler alert, I took it hard and
Speaker 3: walked home and put the soundtrack on and actually hugged
Speaker 3: the kitchen bench because I was so upset.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just got its claws in me. Do you
Speaker 3: often react like so emotionally.
Speaker 2: A reaction?
Speaker 4: Not like that? Not like that?
Speaker 3: And I don't know if maybe you know I get
Speaker 3: you at a certain point in your life or whatever,
Speaker 3: but it was just the one for me that it
Speaker 3: just ripped my heart out.
Speaker 4: It was so I loved the love story Glory. You know,
Speaker 4: it's obviously you know it's got some tragic.
Speaker 3: But I kind of found it quite inspiring too, you
Speaker 3: know that, because you start to you, Okay, there's the film,
Speaker 3: but then I start to think about, you know what
Speaker 3: a what a piece of you know what an artistic
Speaker 3: accomplishment by Bradley Cooper to to direct it and act
Speaker 3: in it and all of that stuff and what just
Speaker 3: full of admiration and sadness for for dear old Jackson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, did you see. I'm I'm pretty sure you
Speaker 1: would have the test the Australian Cricket. Yeah, we used
Speaker 1: apply because every now and then there's a movie obviously
Speaker 1: that can pierce unsuspecting men in emotional ways that you
Speaker 1: are you are of a deal, a tant you know,
Speaker 1: you are in touch with your emotions, but it obviously really.
Speaker 4: Tough, tough guy.
Speaker 3: I think the phrase you're looking at he really obviously
Speaker 3: hit in there with the Australian Cricket co it's Justin Langer.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite things about The Tests, which is
Speaker 1: like an eight part or so documentary tracking the Australian
Speaker 1: cricket scene from the low point of the cheating scandals
Speaker 1: with the sampaper Gate through their reduction.
Speaker 2: Of you know, a successful Ashes series.
Speaker 1: But what made what I love the most was occasionally
Speaker 1: you just see Justin Langer in the background as saying, mate,
Speaker 1: you've got to see that a star is born in
Speaker 1: the cinema. You've got to see it in the cinema.
Speaker 4: I love that. It is one of the it is
Speaker 4: one of the things about movie lovers.
Speaker 3: Isn't it that it's if you're into it, you start
Speaker 3: to borderline bully other people. Yeah, you need to the
Speaker 3: point where it's And in these days I find it
Speaker 3: like the new, like this new type of anxiety because
Speaker 3: there's so many, so many television shows, and so many
Speaker 3: good television shows.
Speaker 4: Oh, you've got to watch, You've got feel like, you know.
Speaker 3: What, Just I'm doing one at a time. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: on one at a time. Leave, But you can never
Speaker 3: enjoy the one you're watching because you're meant to be
Speaker 3: watching the other one. No, but wait till you're finished. Oh,
Speaker 3: wait till you finish that you've got to watch. You're
Speaker 3: gonna like, can I just That's why I probably just go,
Speaker 3: you know what, all of your shut up. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: watch Field of Dreams for the fiftieth time.
Speaker 1: I was going through Netflix and any of the streaming services.
Speaker 1: Is like driving in to an almost empty car park
Speaker 1: where there are one hundred free car parks, but you
Speaker 1: can still not choose the one you want.
Speaker 4: To park in. Yeah, too many to but there might
Speaker 4: be a better one around the corner. Yeah, not that one.
Speaker 4: Too much choice, too much choice.
Speaker 2: I gave you a few choices to watch.
Speaker 1: And basically when I approach people to be on this podcast,
Speaker 1: I give them a suggested listen. It doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be on that list, but he chose Butch Cassidy and
Speaker 1: The Sun Dance Kid Itchington. No, because we haven't discussed
Speaker 1: it off air. If you like, what did you make
Speaker 1: of it?
Speaker 3: I loved it, but I kind of already knew I
Speaker 3: would love it so because it just had too many
Speaker 3: of the.
Speaker 4: Good things, didn't that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we've got Paul Newman, Robert Redford. It's a
Speaker 3: buddy film.
Speaker 4: I knew. I knew enough about it to.
Speaker 3: Know that it kind of kick started the whole it's
Speaker 3: a it's a buddy film in it. Yeah, And I've
Speaker 3: seen the poster their cowboys, so you know, I'm a
Speaker 3: frustrated cowboy. In another life I would have been a cowboy.
Speaker 3: So I just kind of knew that I would love it.
Speaker 3: But I got to say to sit down and watch it.
Speaker 3: And like I said before, bizarrely enough, around the time
Speaker 3: you sent me the message and my wife and I
Speaker 3: justin we had kind of said to each other, let's
Speaker 3: let's start to watch few of the you know, the
Speaker 3: classic films's instead of just watch and whatever sort of on, let's.
Speaker 4: Sort of start ticking a few off. So your timing
Speaker 4: was perfect.
Speaker 3: But a few weeks that we watched Out of Africa yep, yeah,
Speaker 3: with Robert Redford, and it was incredible. But it was that,
Speaker 3: I mean, it is such an epic classic, you know,
Speaker 3: the long slow burn, and I had kind of one
Speaker 3: Butch Cassidy would be a bit long in that sort
Speaker 3: of long slow which I was completely up for.
Speaker 4: But I was kind of pleasantly surprised by how how
Speaker 4: modern it felt.
Speaker 3: It did kind of it rattles along at a good pace,
Speaker 3: and it doesn't have sort of too many sort of.
Speaker 2: Sort of slow.
Speaker 4: Bits or you know, I think it runs for an
Speaker 4: hour and fifty minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I really liked it.
Speaker 3: But what I found interesting in my own thoughts was
Speaker 3: how because I've watched it in the wrong order, I
Speaker 3: was thinking, oh, that kind of reminds me a bit
Speaker 3: of that film and that kind of but of course
Speaker 3: it's like, well they've they've pinched you know, a bit
Speaker 3: of that. It kind of set you know, it seems
Speaker 3: to have set kind of a bit of a bit
Speaker 3: of a.
Speaker 4: Path for lots of other films and filmmakers.
Speaker 2: Well, it was a real changing of the guard for
Speaker 2: the for the Western.
Speaker 1: And I think audiences now probably have you know, a young,
Speaker 1: young movie loving audience or just young people now wouldn't
Speaker 1: have any idea how many Westerns they used to make
Speaker 1: that you know, in the in the in the forties fifties,
Speaker 1: but they would make a one hundred a year, you know.
Speaker 1: And there was the feeling, this was maybe in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty nine, that it was getting a bit tired. Even
Speaker 1: though the Wild Bunch, Sampak and amazing film was released
Speaker 1: this year, True Grit with the great John Wayne's the
Speaker 1: year before, so there was still Westerns being made.
Speaker 2: There was a feeling that was getting a bit tired. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So which Cassidy in the Sun Dance Kid just came
Speaker 1: along and kind of this to the point where and
Speaker 1: there's a massive box up was hit over one hundred
Speaker 1: million dollars.
Speaker 3: Six million dollar budget and made a hundred million. It's like, whoa, that'sbelievable.
Speaker 1: So now that would I think, adjusting for inflation, be
Speaker 1: like the thirty fourth, the thirty fifth high.
Speaker 2: Rank for all time? Yeah, I love yeah, so and
Speaker 2: It was critically not loved to begin with.
Speaker 4: Really, Roger Eva gave it.
Speaker 2: Two and a half stars, and the criticism.
Speaker 1: Seemed to be bob that they it was too light,
Speaker 1: that it was you know, like that they used to
Speaker 1: make lessons that were.
Speaker 2: Really grim and serious, and this was serious business, you know.
Speaker 1: Being a cowboy and catching the baddies, and and this
Speaker 1: this had fun, This had you know, Paul.
Speaker 3: Newman, and it's borderline comedy comedy like yes, and and
Speaker 3: and the comedy doesn't kind of you I'm speaking to
Speaker 3: a comedian, of course, but the comedy.
Speaker 2: Lands absolutely like.
Speaker 3: The script is good and it's punchy in that they
Speaker 3: are two of the greatest actors, but they do like
Speaker 3: inhabit the inhabit those roles so well. The one line
Speaker 3: is a great I thought it was really quite funny.
Speaker 3: I had me sort of going along the whole time. Well,
Speaker 3: Paul Human was nervous about making the film because he
Speaker 3: said to the director George roy Hill that he's not
Speaker 3: a comedic actor.
Speaker 1: And he apparently made one comedy which thought he thought
Speaker 1: was his worst performance, something like you know, hey, Tipsy
Speaker 1: the belt boy or something with a really weird name.
Speaker 1: And he made him watch it, and the director said,
Speaker 1: you don't have to try to be funny, just just
Speaker 1: play everything for real, which is the best advice for
Speaker 1: anyone who's nervous about performing comedy as far as acting goes.
Speaker 2: Just don't try to make it funny. It should be funny,
Speaker 2: but writing some funny, yeah, it's not. It's not.
Speaker 4: Whole slapstick thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I as well kind of thought I would love
Speaker 1: this going in, and I decided pretty much.
Speaker 2: Strike.
Speaker 1: Do you have that feeling that you have decided you'd
Speaker 1: love the film very early on?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, that was me.
Speaker 1: So I had that in the opening credits with the
Speaker 1: old the old CPIA, you know film, and that you
Speaker 1: can hear the film ticking over, you know.
Speaker 2: I just thought, I love this.
Speaker 4: I love that, and I even loved the what was
Speaker 4: what's the line? I should have written? There was most
Speaker 4: of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, most of what happened is true. It's like, I mean,
Speaker 3: you've got.
Speaker 4: That, that's that that hooked me in straight away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you just go into this beautiful kind
Speaker 1: of it's a CPA kind of a film, and then
Speaker 1: it kind of slowly kind of segues into more modern
Speaker 1: times with Paul Newman, a butcher in the bank until
Speaker 1: being closed up, and he has a great line what
Speaker 1: happened to he to the old bank?
Speaker 2: It was beautiful? The security guard says, it kept on
Speaker 2: getting robbed and he said, he says, you know, it's
Speaker 2: a small price to pay for beauty, which kind of
Speaker 2: stunds up but himself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, can we can we go straight to the heavyweight
Speaker 3: question and we can dance around it all you like.
Speaker 3: I think we need to go for the jugular? Yeah,
Speaker 3: who is more handsome? Paul Newman or Robert Redford.
Speaker 2: When I watched it, I watched it alone.
Speaker 3: Cray, Hey, what sort of podcast is this? I mean,
Speaker 3: I know I got the ball rolling, but film let's
Speaker 3: go to keep it in film school.
Speaker 1: There is no bunk band on this podcast. I watched
Speaker 1: it had a love bottle of peanut and.
Speaker 2: My wife I was gonna watch it, but she decided
Speaker 2: to retire for the night. And then she's a bit
Speaker 2: tired and she woke up in the mind she said,
Speaker 2: how was the film?
Speaker 1: And I just said her, Oh my god, I knew
Speaker 1: Newman and Redford were handsome guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, distracting, Yeah, just their their eyes were Yeah, I
Speaker 3: was sat there watching it and Justine was she was
Speaker 3: watching it next to me, and I just and I
Speaker 3: said to her, said, right, who's the Who's the most handsome?
Speaker 4: Because I had already decided it was Paul Newman.
Speaker 3: I was just sort of lost in his in his gorgeousness,
Speaker 3: and and she said Paul.
Speaker 4: And that's when they had the hats on. And then
Speaker 4: as the film went in the second half where the hats,
Speaker 4: the hats go.
Speaker 3: Off, and she turned and said, I'd like to change
Speaker 3: my vote please. Yeah, Redford at the hair game.
Speaker 1: I may have had the same reaction. I think Newman's hairstyle,
Speaker 1: which I'm not sure it was completely accurate to the time.
Speaker 2: It might have been highlight. But yeah, I reckon Newman
Speaker 2: may just have the points, even though I've always been
Speaker 2: a lover of his eyes, even even on a spaghetti
Speaker 2: they look good.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Opened a bottle of peanut right now about this, Well,
Speaker 5: it's it's it's past midday, so we can you know,
Speaker 5: It's interesting.
Speaker 1: I always with classic films to look at who was
Speaker 1: considered for the roles and who weren't because the studio
Speaker 1: weren't that keen on Robert Redford he wasn't a big
Speaker 1: star yet. Paul Redford, poor Newman was he made cool
Speaker 1: name Luke already and was up and away. But I
Speaker 1: think for it Warren Beatty, right, Jack Lemon, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: who said no because he didn't want to spend that
Speaker 1: much time in a horse apparently, and the Great Queen,
Speaker 1: oh wow, yeah, and he said no because he came
Speaker 1: up to it came down to the billing, and Reford
Speaker 1: was going to be built higher because originally the movie
Speaker 1: was called as scripted by William Goldman, who will chat
Speaker 1: about soon, but originally it was called The Sundance Kid.
Speaker 1: And butsh cassidy, ah, because Reford was the biggest star,
Speaker 1: so he got top billing. But wow, can you imagine
Speaker 1: any of those?
Speaker 4: Steve McQueen had me interested, But that's really difficult.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm the same as I'm fascinated by those
Speaker 3: kind of things and you know, the sliding doors of
Speaker 3: could we imagine that? But I feel like this is
Speaker 3: really difficult because Butch Cassidy and The sun Dance Kid
Speaker 3: is like it's almost ingrained into culture. You know, it's
Speaker 3: you know that whole that old saying. You know that
Speaker 3: Beatle songs are funneled into the wormb kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Whether you whether you liked it or not, you already
Speaker 3: know them to a certain And that's why when I
Speaker 3: watched but Cassidy in the Sunday, I had did feel
Speaker 3: like I had kind of already watched it.
Speaker 2: It was it was sort.
Speaker 3: Of like meeting and old, you know, someone someone you'd
Speaker 3: never met but were instantly recognized.
Speaker 4: So to think about other people in.
Speaker 3: The roles like no, no, no, but that's yeah, that's
Speaker 3: that's like, you know, imagining someone to you know, who
Speaker 3: would cover Elvis Presley some no, no, no, I'm sure you're
Speaker 3: a good singer, but that's that role is done. That's
Speaker 3: all sort of out so now. But the Steve McQueen
Speaker 3: one did have me go.
Speaker 4: Oh, that would have been.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got no doubt Stephen Queen would have crushed it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: But like you said, it is almost impossible to reimagine.
Speaker 1: And there's barely been a better duo male duo on
Speaker 1: on screen and on camera than Paul Newman and Robert Redford.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because what comes around goes around in
Speaker 1: the way for these superstars because I think they wanted
Speaker 1: I think Paramount when The Godfather they Cassidy GODFD wanted
Speaker 1: Robert Robert Redford to play Michael Collon. Wow, and which
Speaker 1: I could never have imagined.
Speaker 3: That doesn't that does Yeah, that doesn't. That doesn't chime. No,
Speaker 3: I love I love Redford, but that doesn't quite.
Speaker 1: That feels that this was when in that first scene
Speaker 1: when you see Redford or sun Dance sitting down and
Speaker 1: that you know he won't leave the card game until
Speaker 1: they ask him to pay, which is a great scene. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought, taking away the fact that this is quite
Speaker 1: obviously not from Sicily.
Speaker 4: Well he doesn't. He certainly doesn't scream Sicilian.
Speaker 2: I will tell.
Speaker 1: I could buy his presence. Yeahs as Mike Collon. But yeah,
Speaker 1: like I said, I can't imagine I can't imagine anyone
Speaker 1: else as Sundance, and I can't imagine anyone else as as.
Speaker 2: I have decided to your Godfather, I can't swim. Nah.
Speaker 3: They got they got this, They got this one, right,
Speaker 3: they got this one.
Speaker 2: What do you think of the love triangle? I think
Speaker 2: it's a point.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad you brought this up. I wasn't sure
Speaker 3: if I was meant to think the things I was thinking.
Speaker 4: I was like.
Speaker 3: The look the bike ride date with Butcher and I couldn't.
Speaker 3: It was like, are they are they having an affair?
Speaker 3: Is he is or at least his Butcher in love? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I kind of think he was.
Speaker 4: I felt that was what I felt like.
Speaker 3: I felt like he was and she kind of knew it,
Speaker 3: but she was in her heart belonged to Sun Dan's
Speaker 3: who was you know he was kind of a bit
Speaker 3: and ambivalent.
Speaker 4: Towards the whole thing, because yeah, I found that bit.
Speaker 4: And then and then when they the three of them
Speaker 4: go off and then they had Bolivia is like, what's
Speaker 4: happening here?
Speaker 2: Well, apparently historically because much gas that's asking, it's based
Speaker 2: on real people, were real people as at a Place
Speaker 2: was her name, At a Place played by Katherine Ross,
Speaker 2: who you would recognize from the graduate, and she was
Speaker 2: a real person.
Speaker 1: Supposedly she may have been a put him in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty terms a sex worker that they made her.
Speaker 2: A teacher for this movie, and supposedly she may have
Speaker 2: been romantically involved historically with both men.
Speaker 4: Ah right, okay, well that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's yeah. I did get to a
Speaker 3: point thinking I've got to bring this up tomorrow on
Speaker 3: this podcast, and I feel like I'm going to this
Speaker 3: is gonna make it make her real form, And so
Speaker 3: I'm going.
Speaker 4: Oh jeez, Murphy, you're creep.
Speaker 3: How dare you desecrate the altar of Butcher Cassidy and
Speaker 3: and Eta and the Sundance Kid and this menajo toire filth?
Speaker 4: Like yeah, but I feel like something's going down here
Speaker 4: and this.
Speaker 1: Is well because you have that great first scene where
Speaker 1: she comes in and the Sundance Kid is sitting in
Speaker 1: the corner with his gun and makes her basically stripped,
Speaker 1: and you're kind of going, oh no, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean there's there's no is no, and
Speaker 3: then there's holding someone at gunpoint, you know, it's like yeah, and.
Speaker 4: Then breaking several several laws here, Sundance come on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But some dances it was in the clear. It
Speaker 2: was consensuous, a little role play. Obviously liked to do it.
Speaker 4: It's to their own. It was the time. It was
Speaker 4: eighteen ninety nine, move on.
Speaker 2: So my, my, my. For the film point of view,
Speaker 2: I saw it as that sun Dance and Edda had
Speaker 2: a very passionate kind of you know, sexual relationship, but
Speaker 2: she was she was friendlier and got along emotionally better
Speaker 2: with but which was a more romantic character, and some
Speaker 2: dances the heart of the two men.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I think that's it. I think that's
Speaker 3: a really a really good summary, and it does kind
Speaker 3: of off play with the you know, because it is
Speaker 3: it's essentially I suppose that the the biggest thing on
Speaker 3: the landscape is that it's the friendship I suppose between
Speaker 3: Butch and Sundance. But yeah, that that I think that
Speaker 3: that balance there how you've described is probably it between
Speaker 3: the three of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I think Butch is adhering to the code. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean the outlaws.
Speaker 4: What happens in the Old West stays in the Old West.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: That's as the old saying goes.
Speaker 1: I should we should point out we mentioned him earlier,
Speaker 1: but William Goldman, who is one of the great proponents
Speaker 1: of the art of the craft of screenwriting, so he
Speaker 1: some of his credits include The Prince as Bride of
Speaker 1: the President was read as well, Misery Maverick, and he
Speaker 1: even did a script revisions on Twins with Danny DeVito.
Speaker 4: And hey, hey, we've all got to pay the bills,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: I think I think after you've done, you've written, but Cassidy,
Speaker 3: I think after you've you've done all the President's men
Speaker 3: and a few of those other ones you mentioned. That's
Speaker 3: you know what he's renovating.
Speaker 4: His out is.
Speaker 3: You know, I'll take the check and I'll I'll help
Speaker 3: you out with Twins. Here, here's the here's the here's
Speaker 3: the BSB, here's the account number.
Speaker 4: I'm catching in here.
Speaker 1: There is zero judgment and because he probably made Twins
Speaker 1: a much better movie.
Speaker 2: Probably that's what it was. Probably it was probably schwartzing
Speaker 2: Egg and Stallan, and he's probably, you know what, what
Speaker 2: did we make it to veto? And then he's just pocketed, like,
Speaker 2: you know, five million dollars for that one day's work.
Speaker 3: How how bad was it before he got to it?
Speaker 3: That's that's really that is.
Speaker 4: The key question.
Speaker 2: How it loved? And he actually had trouble getting this
Speaker 2: movie made, so he went around to all the studios.
Speaker 2: They all said no, except for one, the one who
Speaker 2: eventually made it. There was is this for Butch Cassidy, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we moved twins. We're not identical twins.
Speaker 3: Oh no, No, I was gonna say, I don't know
Speaker 3: where you're going with this.
Speaker 4: I assumed that Twins would have been turned down it
Speaker 4: I hope it was.
Speaker 1: Well in more shopping Us. But Sandansky was also turned
Speaker 1: down by most of the studios. William Goldman said to
Speaker 1: one of the executives, or one of the executive said
Speaker 1: that William Goldman, why do they have to go to
Speaker 1: South America? Why don't we keep them in America? To
Speaker 1: which he replied, because that's what actually happened, So replied,
Speaker 1: is sure, but nobody gives a ship. All I know
Speaker 1: is that John Wayne never ran.
Speaker 4: Uh which his men were men, pete when men were men.
Speaker 2: Missed those days.
Speaker 4: He's more of a sundance guy. Tippin.
Speaker 2: That executive didn't what's the star is born born and hugged.
Speaker 4: N He didn't do the same.
Speaker 3: The same executive used to light his matches on the
Speaker 3: whiskers from his cheek.
Speaker 4: He seems like one of those guys. Oh wow, So.
Speaker 1: What what did you think of when the super posse
Speaker 1: kind of they let out of the carriage and the
Speaker 1: chase was on.
Speaker 2: What what did you think of?
Speaker 1: The chase was going back to Roger critical gave it
Speaker 1: to an half like they fill up until that point
Speaker 1: and then thought that he kind of slowed it down.
Speaker 2: What did you think of the chance?
Speaker 3: No, I kind of liked it because it it flipped
Speaker 3: them at the start, They're like, they look good.
Speaker 4: They robed trains, that's very cool.
Speaker 3: They've got the witty one liners, they've got money, they're popular,
Speaker 3: they've got the women.
Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden their rhythm was thrown out.
Speaker 3: So we've got to see them kind of on the
Speaker 3: other side of that of being hang on, we've we
Speaker 3: might have met our match year and now we're.
Speaker 4: Out of control. So how does how does that affect us?
Speaker 3: And are we still able to are we still able
Speaker 3: to hold this charisma? And I kind of liked the
Speaker 3: way it changed gears from there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I absolutely loved it, and I'm really I was
Speaker 2: really surprised to read that review, and I loved it.
Speaker 1: Was almost like he was the liquid nitrogen do to
Speaker 1: you know, the terminato too, Like this this this possibly
Speaker 1: just could not shape And these are the guys who've
Speaker 1: never never been close to being caught, you know, and
Speaker 1: they not be away.
Speaker 2: And I love I loved it. They were always butchered.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we're always shot in the foreground with we never
Speaker 1: got close to that superpossit. I always yeah, bopping torch
Speaker 1: lights on the horizon, and I unders thought I loved it.
Speaker 4: That was really effecting.
Speaker 3: You know the great scene where the where the torch
Speaker 3: lights go separately and then they came back and they
Speaker 3: kind of realized that.
Speaker 5: O god, they've they've sort of worked it out.
Speaker 4: I liked it, and I love is it Butcher's line around.
Speaker 3: He wished they'd either catch up or fall away, but
Speaker 3: they're just holding the same like they're just holding the
Speaker 3: same des.
Speaker 4: And that was kind of funny, like they it was.
Speaker 3: And then they lose their horse and then they're down
Speaker 3: a horse and that's the two of them on a horse,
Speaker 3: and they kept the humor, but it was a different
Speaker 3: kind of It was a different sort of dynamic of
Speaker 3: the him where all of a sudden they were the
Speaker 3: one being sort of outpointed. I thought, I thought it
Speaker 3: gave a really good counterpoint to the start of it.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I love that.
Speaker 1: This famous scene where they jump off into the into
Speaker 1: the river below. There's a great line where Red or
Speaker 1: some dance admits that you can't swim, and which he replies.
Speaker 2: You're crazy. The four will probably kill you.
Speaker 3: And then that sort of pause after that, can I
Speaker 3: ask you so when it got to the last.
Speaker 4: The last sort of shootout, so the big finale.
Speaker 3: And ye, and then they're both so they're they're surrounded
Speaker 3: and they're shot, and they they know they're done for
Speaker 3: they know they're done, but they sort of have this
Speaker 3: little chat and they talk about, you know, going to
Speaker 3: Australia of all places, and which I got, you know,
Speaker 3: a certain a sudden sort of shocking moment of patriotism.
Speaker 4: There go to Australia.
Speaker 1: I always always have to me when I'm watching movies,
Speaker 1: like when when Tom Cruise mentioned that his brother Rayman
Speaker 1: that the only way they could get across.
Speaker 2: Australia unconscious.
Speaker 3: Yes, And when you know they're surround and they're shot
Speaker 3: and they're done, but they never got they never sort
Speaker 3: of went to the depths like they were still trying
Speaker 3: to make each other laugh and sort of keep it,
Speaker 3: sort of keep their vehicle. And that was That's that
Speaker 3: beautiful friendship, you know, that was the dynamic they had
Speaker 3: that they were you know, was probably a bit more
Speaker 3: in touch with his emotions. That's they weren't, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't think they were deeply emotional sort of they
Speaker 3: were going to share.
Speaker 4: You know, they weren't gonna they were gonna hug the
Speaker 4: kitchen bench. They were they kept their thing.
Speaker 3: And then as soon as as soon as they then
Speaker 3: react and they sort of run out and faced, I
Speaker 3: was like, oh God, this is.
Speaker 2: Thelma and Louise. That just that's what.
Speaker 4: That's the whole finish of Thelma and Louise.
Speaker 3: What And I kind of wondered that if that was,
Speaker 3: you know, obviously in the other in the other way,
Speaker 3: if that was that was what was pinched. It was
Speaker 3: that last little chat and you know, we're just going
Speaker 3: off into the you know, we're just taking it on.
Speaker 4: We know, we know what's about to happen, and that's
Speaker 4: what we're going to do.
Speaker 2: You know, I got no doubt that, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, if Fridley Scott wasn't thinking about peducation in
Speaker 1: this Undance King when when they did that uh you
Speaker 1: know movie from the script stage, or even when I
Speaker 1: performing it with Jeena Davis and Susan Surranda, that this
Speaker 1: realm must have been a reference point. And this is
Speaker 1: why it's great watching these classic movies, because you're going
Speaker 1: to go, oh, now, I like you said, you mentioned
Speaker 1: it earlier. You're going to see all the influences and
Speaker 1: you know, I think terminated too sounds ridiculous, but that
Speaker 1: had that, you know, they would have had that same
Speaker 1: feeling of going, yeah, that you just cannot get away
Speaker 1: from this from this enemy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think I think it's spot on.
Speaker 2: So did you. So let's just let's with the ending,
Speaker 2: so they have that.
Speaker 1: I've always thought I love Westerns when those scenes where
Speaker 1: it's like there's an inevitability here, like this is they
Speaker 1: know at the end they're going to go out shooting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they're going to share some words and have a
Speaker 1: moment before this happened. But this is very rarely in movies.
Speaker 1: Do you have characters who know they're about to die? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it happens.
Speaker 2: They could be ill and I know that, and you know,
Speaker 2: shootouts often bring this opportunity.
Speaker 1: But Westerns, I think, do it really well where it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is the end. Literally, well we're we're already been
Speaker 1: shot up. There's no escape.
Speaker 2: Nah.
Speaker 3: Do you think with Westerns and like, you're right, because
Speaker 3: they seem to do it with it fits because it
Speaker 3: does kind of feel like destiny for these guys, like
Speaker 3: it's almost like this is this is what this is
Speaker 3: how it had to wind.
Speaker 4: This is we were going to kick doing things.
Speaker 3: You know that they talk about, you know, working jobs
Speaker 3: and I don't know how to farm.
Speaker 4: I don't know, and this is what I do. I'm
Speaker 4: a train robber, you know.
Speaker 3: And so they must they must instinctively know that eventually
Speaker 3: you run out of lives and you get caught and
Speaker 3: then this is how it goes and you get shot.
Speaker 3: And it's almost in this one there's almost that last
Speaker 3: little chat they have. There's a sense of peace for them.
Speaker 3: So you can you can stop chasing, you can stop running,
Speaker 3: there's no there's no more banks to rob. Now it's like,
Speaker 3: this is this is what I was putt here for,
Speaker 3: and this is what I've got to face the I've
Speaker 3: got to face the music.
Speaker 2: I think when they're referring to Australia, they're actually talking
Speaker 2: about the afterlife.
Speaker 1: Agree that there's there's wide open planes and we can
Speaker 1: we can ride forever. You know, they have banks there.
Speaker 1: You know, we can speak English because they've been struggling
Speaker 1: with the Blibyan language. That that see where they're going
Speaker 1: to the oblivion bank for the first time. Realizing they
Speaker 1: can't speak the local language is very funny. But I
Speaker 1: think I kind of the more I think about it,
Speaker 1: that's why I've taken out of it. That's that's that.
Speaker 1: That is the idea of heaven. Yeah, it's on the
Speaker 1: other side.
Speaker 2: Of the world. It's it's they know there's no chance
Speaker 2: of getting to Australia. Australia, that's a great idea. Oh boy,
Speaker 2: it's the latest in a long line. Australia is no
Speaker 2: better than here, that's all, you know. I mean one
Speaker 2: thing Australia they do. That's right, smart guys. We wouldn't
Speaker 2: be foreigners that horses in Australia. They got thousands of
Speaker 2: miles when you can hide on it, good climate, nice beaches,
Speaker 2: you can learn to swim. No, swimming isn't important. What
Speaker 2: about the banks? Easy easy, ripe and rushes. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: banks are the one.
Speaker 4: Once you got on you it's blown away, though, wasn't.
Speaker 2: Everything's got to be perfect with you.
Speaker 4: I just don't want to get there and find out
Speaker 4: it stinks.
Speaker 2: That's all. At least think about it.
Speaker 4: All right, I think about it.
Speaker 2: Hey, when we get outside, can we get to the horses.
Speaker 2: Just remember one thing. You didn't see the force out there?
Speaker 2: Did you the force?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Oh? Good for a moment that I thought we were
Speaker 2: in trouble.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Australia being heaven is like Lara Bingle pretty much
Speaker 3: said that in a tourism promotion a few years back.
Speaker 4: But that's really familiar.
Speaker 3: Terminated toes and we've got where the bloody hell are
Speaker 3: you so? And that's the holy trinity of Butch, Cassidy
Speaker 3: and Sundance. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2: What did you think of the freeze frame ending?
Speaker 3: Um, that's a good question. I did find myself thinking
Speaker 3: about this last night. I'm glad. I think I like
Speaker 3: it because as much as I liked like, I love
Speaker 3: the start. When we see Butch and sometimes as the
Speaker 3: invention or the creation of cool almost they're good looking,
Speaker 3: they're well dress, they've got the they've got the cool language,
Speaker 3: they're you.
Speaker 4: Know, their bank croppers that it doesn't get any cooler.
Speaker 3: And then they're kind of caught off guard, as we
Speaker 3: talked about with the chase and everything, and that was
Speaker 3: okay to see them sort of meet their match, but
Speaker 3: to see them actually shot and killed, for me, that
Speaker 3: would have just been a step too far. Just I
Speaker 3: want I kind of want them frozen in there, facing
Speaker 3: their mortality and their destiny without the gruesome.
Speaker 4: Death, if you like, they've already confronted that.
Speaker 3: So I kind of the they kept there, they kept
Speaker 3: their sort of their coolness, I could ply agree.
Speaker 2: And I think also maybe one of the reasons was
Speaker 2: that there's there are conspiracy theories that, oh hello, that
Speaker 2: Butcher Sundance didn't actually die in Bolivia, that maybe they
Speaker 2: made it out and they made it back to the
Speaker 2: US and ended up dying of old age. So there's
Speaker 2: if you want to deep dive into some documentaries about
Speaker 2: the conspiracy theories. I think also it was a bit
Speaker 2: of a nod to those.
Speaker 1: Theories because I think Butch Cassidy's sister always maintained that
Speaker 1: he lived and they know where he's buried, and they
Speaker 1: did actually go a historian went to the supposed grave site,
Speaker 1: because they buried him there in Bolivia, and they dug
Speaker 1: them up and did DNA on it, and it was
Speaker 1: it was It wasn't there.
Speaker 2: It was like a I think a Nazi who had fled.
Speaker 2: Oh so, so I think it's a nice little, kind
Speaker 2: maybe tip of the hat to the idea that potentially you.
Speaker 3: Know too, where's the sequel? Always leave space to be continued?
Speaker 2: Did you did you? What did you think the film
Speaker 2: was about? But did you? Did you? Did you get
Speaker 2: like an over arching theme? I?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean clearly the.
Speaker 3: Male friendship thing that I think that was a big
Speaker 3: But I was kind of interested by.
Speaker 4: Were they straddling two worlds?
Speaker 3: So the Old West moving into this more sophisticated world.
Speaker 4: Where they could be where their methods were suddenly.
Speaker 3: You know, sort of redundant or whatever, that that time
Speaker 3: had now gone and robbing trains and all that, so
Speaker 3: the world was moving on, yes, And I kind of
Speaker 3: found it interesting The movie was made and released around
Speaker 3: you know, sixty eight sixty nine, and that being the
Speaker 3: end of that turbulent decade of the sixties where you know,
Speaker 3: the Summer of love and all that had had sort
Speaker 3: of you know, moved on, and then you know, sixty
Speaker 3: nine being quite a violent time, but all that change
Speaker 3: and up eople, Like, I kind of found myself a
Speaker 3: couple of times wondering if if there was any link
Speaker 3: to that. It was these the world had changed really
Speaker 3: sharply over that, you know, in the one.
Speaker 1: Lifetime that's kind of what I kind of got out
Speaker 1: of it as well.
Speaker 2: Was a lot. It was that progress, you know.
Speaker 1: And and they were, you know, when they go to
Speaker 1: the sheriff, the old sheriff, and kind of ask for
Speaker 1: his help, and he says, you guys, you kind of
Speaker 1: forecasts what's about to happen.
Speaker 2: Yet you guys are dying of bloody death.
Speaker 1: You guys are just two bits, you know, cowboys or
Speaker 1: outlaws would have you caused them. But that it's it's
Speaker 1: mentioned quite early. It's one of the I had a
Speaker 1: laugh about it actually, when they the sheriff in town
Speaker 1: is trying to rally up people to go help round
Speaker 1: round up Butcher sun Dance. And then another guy gets
Speaker 1: up and says, he tries to sell the idea of
Speaker 1: the bicycle.
Speaker 2: You know, the whole is dead. He says, it's the
Speaker 2: bicycle is the future, you know. And and I think
Speaker 2: that's a big that that's a that's just planning the
Speaker 2: scene of this is what it's about. And sometimes had
Speaker 2: a great run up until now. But they the world
Speaker 2: is changing and the and the zipper prop he has
Speaker 2: rifles that can get shod from a long way away.
Speaker 2: They just have their pistols so that they can't take
Speaker 2: them out from a distance. So I really do think
Speaker 2: it's it's a big part of the theme of the movie.
Speaker 2: That's that that these guys are, you know, are getting
Speaker 2: closer to the end.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that bike also just not to get you know,
Speaker 3: not to sort of you know, not to sort of
Speaker 3: trod all over the movie, but that bike. I've seen
Speaker 3: that bike riding up and down the streets in north
Speaker 3: But there's no way.
Speaker 4: That was an They were like the original hipsters, those cowboys,
Speaker 4: because that fixie, that was a solid piece of equipment.
Speaker 3: That thing I don't reckon. The first bicycles were as
Speaker 3: slick as that. That's all I will say about that.
Speaker 1: I think if the Great Westcar Theater were the put
Speaker 1: on every Thursday night and be packed out. And when
Speaker 1: we those bikes, you know, passing outside, the.
Speaker 3: Got the We've got the bikes, we've got the costumes.
Speaker 4: We're ready to go out here.
Speaker 1: I should I should point out this is a visual, sorry,
Speaker 1: an audible medium, but you've come dressed in your son's
Speaker 1: clobber as well.
Speaker 3: I was actually quite annoyed with myself because I do
Speaker 3: have a cowboy hat and I was I was going
Speaker 3: to wear it today, even even knowing it was just
Speaker 3: for a for audio podcast, but just to you know,
Speaker 3: get in the mood of it.
Speaker 4: There's a sad cowboy. It's all about the sad cowboy.
Speaker 4: Can I have got one for you? Though?
Speaker 3: And I the the Collingwood theme song gets a run.
Speaker 2: I was going to give what the Collingwood connection I was.
Speaker 3: I was like a and almost it's like you have
Speaker 3: you played some kind of Jedi mind trick on me
Speaker 3: to give me a list of forty movies, knowing I'd
Speaker 3: picked this one just so I could have that moment
Speaker 3: of listening to the colling and theme. So I filing
Speaker 3: you bad bastard Hellia.
Speaker 1: Goodbye Dolly Gray is the what good Old Collingwood Forever
Speaker 1: is based on. And yeah, it plays when they're at
Speaker 1: the hotel or the whorehouse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's playing. It plays for quite a while.
Speaker 2: And I got I must say, I got more excited
Speaker 2: about that than I did when I mentioned Australia at
Speaker 2: the end.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean it's probably a good thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if they had played Sons
Speaker 3: of the Sea, the Old Sea Shanty that the Bulldogs
Speaker 3: theme something is based on my cowboy hat may have
Speaker 3: just fallen right off. It would have just been too
Speaker 3: much for me to be.
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 4: I couldn't have loved the film anymore.
Speaker 2: Well, that is great.
Speaker 1: There's one more thing that I shot, really I want
Speaker 1: to point out, and I actually loved it. Obviously, these
Speaker 1: are back in the days where you know, if you
Speaker 1: hear about any of George Miller's experiences making Mad Max
Speaker 1: in the seventies, you know, it's almost literally, you know,
Speaker 1: not literally, but the wild West Pardoner part of filmmaking,
Speaker 1: and there's stunts were harder, you know. The dirt is
Speaker 1: a guy who broke his pelvis during this movie, a
Speaker 1: start man because they fell on boxes off one of
Speaker 1: the roofs because cowboys in the bag roofs and the
Speaker 1: boxes point a little bit too flimsy. But there's a
Speaker 1: great shot when they explode the train and there's debris
Speaker 1: that just comes. Oh yeah, Newman and Redford like in
Speaker 1: the shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's incredible.
Speaker 3: I wondered that, Wow, that's a proper explosion, that that
Speaker 3: has really caught them off a little bit.
Speaker 4: And it's definitely Redford, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I remember thinking that's him yeah, I was sure if
Speaker 1: both of you were in there, but certainly one of
Speaker 1: them is in there on the on the right, on
Speaker 1: the right of the shot. But it feels like it's
Speaker 1: one of those things where they went after it happened,
Speaker 1: they went, oh shit, is everybody okay?
Speaker 2: And did we get the shot?
Speaker 4: Is it to be killing?
Speaker 2: We didn't?
Speaker 4: Excellent? Do we get it even better?
Speaker 3: What I would say, I'm not quite as confident that
Speaker 3: it was Paul Newman riding the bicycle backwards.
Speaker 4: That's what I had a close look at that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can tell you Paul Newman did all his
Speaker 1: own stunts on the bicycle. He gave the dink to
Speaker 1: to Edda. But you are absolutely correct when he rides
Speaker 1: to the fence, well spotted that was the cinematographer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, the cinema.
Speaker 2: We're not going to start man to do it. Now,
Speaker 2: we'll get a cinematographer.
Speaker 4: It's his bike, get him to do it.
Speaker 1: You would love this, actually, Bob, they asked obviously Burt
Speaker 1: Bacharach's song range of Skip Falling in my Head. They
Speaker 1: asked Bob Dylan to record that for the for Bob said, Bob,
Speaker 1: you do a quiet boy version of that bar because
Speaker 1: I know you're one final fact. No animals were hurt
Speaker 1: during the making this film, I'm not. I don't know
Speaker 1: that for sure. One animal actually was hurt because there's
Speaker 1: a scene where a bull charges I think it's a butcher,
Speaker 1: and the wouldn't actually charge him.
Speaker 2: They couldn't gi him the charge him. So that this
Speaker 2: is where there's big you know, there's more unions and
Speaker 2: there's more rules around the safety or not just the
Speaker 2: humans on on set, but the animals. To get the
Speaker 2: ball to charge Paul Newman, they sprayed chili sauce onto his.
Speaker 4: Balls, onto his onto his balls, on.
Speaker 2: The balls testicles, Bob.
Speaker 4: Swinging, I'm wondering, Yeah, your career.
Speaker 2: At Western Bulldogs. Did Roberty the same reaction at a
Speaker 2: Barry Hall.
Speaker 3: Look, he didn't, he didn't actually he didn't actually spray
Speaker 3: the chili, But there were times where you got the
Speaker 3: same effect just from just from the mood of the room.
Speaker 4: It felt like there was chili in the air.
Speaker 2: Pete Bob, it's been an absolute pleasure to have you
Speaker 2: on the on the show. Before I do, let you
Speaker 2: go do it. You often ask, what's that is the
Speaker 2: a film you've seen recently or even a TV series.
Speaker 2: And I know, you know, we had that discussion earlier
Speaker 2: about there's so much and you're not watching this, be
Speaker 2: watching this, but is there is there a film or
Speaker 2: a TV series you're watching you've seen that you want
Speaker 2: to give a shout.
Speaker 4: Out, Oh gee, whiz what you know, I'm one of
Speaker 4: these people that go into it.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm now in a Jason Bateman phase, so you know,
Speaker 3: I'm more likely to search him.
Speaker 4: Okay, what's he doing? What's what else has he done?
Speaker 3: I'm just going just following the sort of thread of
Speaker 3: Bateman until I sort of get sort of done with
Speaker 3: that and then I'll kind of move on to something else.
Speaker 3: But that's what I'm so, you know, Ozark is the
Speaker 3: TV show that I'm watching at the moment, whilst I
Speaker 3: have twenty that I'm supposed to be watching, so trying
Speaker 3: not to stress out about that.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for taking your time out of your
Speaker 1: Jason Bateman marathon's. Yeah, I'm really glad we've got to
Speaker 1: watch this, you know, in together in a in a
Speaker 1: kind of way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really glad around watching this one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks so much.
Speaker 3: But it's such a great idea and it was that
Speaker 3: it was the kick up of the backside I needed.
Speaker 4: And sincerely it has sort of motivated me now.
Speaker 3: To to you know, start start crossing off more of
Speaker 3: these classic movies off the list, because I you know,
Speaker 3: I thoroughly enjoyed it and loved our chat today and
Speaker 3: it's always fund fund to sort of dissect these things
Speaker 3: and relive them.
Speaker 2: Thanks Bob on your pat.
Speaker 5: My, honey, I haven't believed you.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well that wraps up series one if you ain't
Speaker 2: seen nothing yet. Like I said, it will be a
Speaker 2: short break one. I love doing it. I know people
Speaker 2: still need things to do and listen to.
Speaker 1: And I just wanted to say once again to MLA
Speaker 1: who inspired me to get this episode out on the
Speaker 1: weekends and as a bonus episode.
Speaker 2: Love and strength and prayers and support to you.
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed the episode that gave you a
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Speaker 2: Thank you to everyone.
Speaker 1: Thank you for Derek Meyers, my podcast manager Castways Studios
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Speaker 2: You've done a brilliant job a podcasts.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have on how to go about it, and
Speaker 1: you steered the ship and I look forward to continuing
Speaker 1: our relationship in series two. And also Dan Murvies dot
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Speaker 1: but hopefully you continue. Feel free to let down movies
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Speaker 1: We doing a TV commercial or a short film or
Speaker 1: a feature film. Get onto, Jimmy and Tom. To all
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Speaker 1: know what you think of the podcast and where are
Speaker 1: you listening? Would also I would love to know we
Speaker 1: see these people listening all over the world, so we
Speaker 1: appreciate And yeah, like I said, it would be a
Speaker 1: few weeks and then we're back. We've got people like
Speaker 1: nath Velvo who hadn't seen Beetlejuice, Sam Mack hadn't seen
Speaker 1: Me and Girls, Adam Christy, great Canadian comic, had not
Speaker 1: seen Wall Streets Ross Noble. At this stage, we'll be
Speaker 1: watching Wake In Fright and Tony Martin. A lot of
Speaker 1: requests for Tony Martin he hadn't seen Top Gun, so
Speaker 1: I'll be sitting down with Tony in a few weeks
Speaker 1: to discuss Top Gun.
Speaker 2: I look forward to that. So these are the episodes.
Speaker 1: If you want to start watching any of those movies
Speaker 1: to get prepared, start now that. I would love the
Speaker 1: community we're putting together. All the emails are coming through.
Speaker 1: Everyone's so funny and generous and clever, and I really
Speaker 1: really am excited about the little community we are building
Speaker 1: around this podcast. And I hope to do live shows
Speaker 1: when we can all get together and maybe get to
Speaker 1: a cinema and we can have a panel discussion after
Speaker 1: it with some fun movies. So that's all in the future.
Speaker 1: We'll be back in a few weeks with season two.
Speaker 1: If you ain't seen nothing yet. For everybody who has
Speaker 1: adopted us, thank you. Feel free to rate us, email us,
Speaker 1: do all the things you need to do. Tell your friends.
Speaker 1: Word of Marthea still a pretty special thing. But until
Speaker 1: then a few weeks, we'll see you soon. Take care
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