Speaker 1: Get a Peter Helly here, Welcome to you. Ain't saying
Speaker 1: nothing yet The movie podcast where I chat to a
Speaker 1: movie lover a better classic or but loved movie they
Speaker 1: haven't quite got around to watching until now. And today's
Speaker 1: guests writer actor, director, Funny Bugger Josh Lawson.
Speaker 2: Do you really think you have a chance against us?
Speaker 2: Mister cowboy?
Speaker 3: Open the podbay doors.
Speaker 4: Hell, I'll have what she's having.
Speaker 2: Me having right, don't see nothing yet.
Speaker 1: Josh Lawson appeared on our screens about fifteen years ago
Speaker 1: on an original high concept show that we all loved
Speaker 1: called Thank God You're Here. I remember seeing justh doing
Speaker 1: it and I thought that guy is hilarious. His ability
Speaker 1: to impro his way through that crazy show was right
Speaker 1: up there with the best of them.
Speaker 3: I did that show a couple of times.
Speaker 1: I know how nerve racking walking through that blue door was,
Speaker 1: and Josh is always like three feet or three seconds
Speaker 1: in front of everybody else. Who was incredible that he
Speaker 1: has gone on to become one of the most interesting
Speaker 1: people I think in our industry is he creates work himself,
Speaker 1: but he's also targeted for work. He has been in
Speaker 1: TV shows. It's such as Cobra Kai, The Strange Chores,
Speaker 1: an animated series. More recently Superstore, which has loaded recently
Speaker 1: on Netflix. Become a big favorite in Our House Movies
Speaker 1: as a Bombshell with Margot Robbie and Nicole Kidman. He
Speaker 1: was in the Campaign with Will Ferrell and Zach Galifanakis.
Speaker 1: He played Hoagues He bloody well played Hoagues Paul Hogan
Speaker 1: in a mini series. He was in House of Lies.
Speaker 1: He's done it, bloody all. He's also written and directed
Speaker 1: a couple of movies himself, one called The Little Death,
Speaker 1: which I really loved It's really really funny, and another
Speaker 1: great one called A Long Story Short. Check them both out.
Speaker 1: He is both hilarious, thoughtful. He's completely engaged with cinema
Speaker 1: and movies. I did see him at a TV show recently.
Speaker 1: We were doing the same show. We were in the
Speaker 1: green room and I basically grabbed him by the collar
Speaker 1: and I said, mate. At first, I gave him a hug,
Speaker 1: it been a while, and then I said, you're doing
Speaker 1: my podcast.
Speaker 3: You have no choice. And I have harassed him for
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks since.
Speaker 1: He finally agreed to do it, and I'm bloody start
Speaker 1: to be hanging out with Josh today.
Speaker 2: Good I I'm Josh Lawson, and my three favorite films
Speaker 2: are Back to the Future.
Speaker 5: I came here in a time machine that you invented, Jaws.
Speaker 2: You know, think about a shaggy a lifeless eyes, black
Speaker 2: eyes like a Dolls and Ghostbusters? Tell him about the Twinkie?
Speaker 2: What about the Twinkie? And up until last night, I
Speaker 2: had never seen The Last Picture Show.
Speaker 6: Columbia Pictures presents the nineteen seventy one critically acclaimed film
Speaker 6: that earned Academy Award nominations for Best Picture, Best Cinematography,
Speaker 6: Best Screenplay, Best Director, and featured the Academy Award winning
Speaker 6: performances of Floris Leachman and Ben Johnson. The Last Picture Show,
Speaker 6: now for the first time on home video, comes the movie.
Speaker 6: Newsweek called a masterpiece, the most important work by a
Speaker 6: young director since Citizen King, and The New Yorker hated it.
Speaker 6: A lovingly exact history of small town life. Jeff Bridges,
Speaker 6: Sybil Shepherd, Timothy Bonds, Randy Quaid, Ellen Burston, and Eileen
Speaker 6: Brennan also star in the bittersweet story of a small Texas.
Speaker 7: Town pertain Can't see This Town without Somebody off in.
Speaker 3: A hankerchief, Who's innocent lives so Lester's fault.
Speaker 8: I want to do and stay with the.
Speaker 9: Man I love.
Speaker 10: I want to do that.
Speaker 6: From Underscore, The not so innocent lives that grow up
Speaker 6: and live there.
Speaker 7: Which you think can do if you found that shoot
Speaker 7: he knows that they have an excuse to steer rat.
Speaker 6: From director Peter Bogdanovitch comes the Last picture show.
Speaker 1: They really ease fuck All to do in an Texas
Speaker 1: oblique three store town in America's dust Bowl. This is
Speaker 1: the kind of town that invented tumbleweeds. Life moves painfully
Speaker 1: slow in nine point fifty one, post World War II,
Speaker 1: pre Korean War in this grim little town, and it
Speaker 1: certainly doesn't help that the local football team just cannot tackle. Undoubtedly,
Speaker 1: Annareene is doing a slow, quiet death, and in it,
Speaker 1: Sonny and Dwyane are best mates, played superbly by Timothy Bottoms.
Speaker 1: Timothy Bottoms and a young and fetching Jeff Bridges. I'm
Speaker 1: sure Dwyane gets access to the pickup truck most nights,
Speaker 1: but there isn't much that gets between them until enter
Speaker 1: JC the town. Enginou played by Sybil Shepherd in her
Speaker 1: film debut, a girl who wants to lose her virginity
Speaker 1: so she can then court a rich husband. Yep, she's
Speaker 1: a little mixed up, but under the guidance of her
Speaker 1: board and neglected mother Lois screen legend Alan Burston, who
Speaker 1: could blame her. Everyone in this town is just trying
Speaker 1: to fill in time. Legend Colois Leachman winjin Oscar for
Speaker 1: Best Supporting Actor as another neglected wife, that of the
Speaker 1: town football and basketball coach who begins an unlikely adulterous
Speaker 1: affair with Sonny and with only nine minutes and twenty
Speaker 1: four seconds of screen time, Ben Johnson seccures the film's
Speaker 1: second Oscar as Sam the Lion, the unofficial father figure
Speaker 1: of the town. With this Oscar, Ben Johnson becomes also
Speaker 1: the first person and only person to win both an
Speaker 1: oscar and the Cowboy World Championship in Rodeo Go Ben,
Speaker 1: directed by legend Peter Bogdanovich in nineteen seventy two, from
Speaker 1: the novel by Larry McMurtry, who also adapted it. The
Speaker 1: Last Picture House is a study of a time and place,
Speaker 1: a slice of Americana of teenagers who are caught between
Speaker 1: busting out or Staying Home. It's one of the few
Speaker 1: films with a one hundred percent rating on Rotten Tomatoes.
Speaker 1: Josh Lawson, did you have access to the pickup truck
Speaker 1: last weekend?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 2: And you well know Pete, I begged you for it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but you were, you were necking with the misses.
Speaker 3: Well it's our anniversary this week, Josh and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Well no, you're welcome to You're welcome to the pickup,
Speaker 2: but I wanted chemically cleans. When you return it to
Speaker 2: I'm going to run a black light over it so
Speaker 2: I'll know exactly what you two got up.
Speaker 3: Thank you. What are those tosi sperm torches?
Speaker 2: I I appreciate that, sperm tors.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining me, particularly because I
Speaker 1: basically accosted you in the green room at all, I
Speaker 1: lie to you. We were both doing the show on
Speaker 1: separate episodes to be seen on John ten Christy Swan,
Speaker 1: Charlie Pickering and Frank Woodley, of course, and it was great.
Speaker 1: We hadn't seen each other for quite a while. There
Speaker 1: were hugs and then, like you know, middle aged white
Speaker 1: men do, I asked you to be on podcast.
Speaker 2: You begged me, You beg me. I thought I had
Speaker 2: a pretty clear I wasn't interested, but you really, well
Speaker 2: you've been pathetic and I felt sorry for you and
Speaker 2: eventually buckled.
Speaker 3: And you know, we are never be afraid to be pathetic.
Speaker 2: It pays awful to all, it really does. Hippie no look,
Speaker 2: And as I told you the night this, I didn't
Speaker 2: I wasn't aware of the podcast. But you know that's
Speaker 2: partly because I've been living in LA for so long,
Speaker 2: and partly because you know, I don't keep abreast of
Speaker 2: your career.
Speaker 1: This podcast is available overseas. I mean, we haven't been
Speaker 1: a geographic paywall.
Speaker 2: Sorry, well, there goes that excuse.
Speaker 3: The second excuse is bobbly more just cut that is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could I should have just started with that,
Speaker 2: but no, when you explained to me what the premise,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, this couldn't be more
Speaker 2: out my alley. I love the idea of classic films.
Speaker 2: You've not seen it because you know not. I mean
Speaker 2: I up until recently, I hadn't even seen Dirty Dancing,
Speaker 2: And you know that are all those films where it's
Speaker 2: like how did I miss it? But this one, you know,
Speaker 2: I think I rattled off like twelve that I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: people have had this from this because I'm.
Speaker 3: You haven't listened to your phone? Yeah you do.
Speaker 2: I do. And there were so many that I wanted to,
Speaker 2: you know, like the Searchers of Seventh Samurai and all
Speaker 2: these classics that I was like, Oh, I haven't ever
Speaker 2: gotten to them. So I listened off a bunch and
Speaker 2: you said having the Last Picture show and I was like, well,
Speaker 2: that's as good as any I've never seen it. I
Speaker 2: don't know much about it, so let's go for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was a bit the same. I hadn't
Speaker 3: seen it.
Speaker 1: I basically knew that Peter Bogdanovitch directed it and that
Speaker 1: he started he's a long term affair. I think they
Speaker 1: may end up getting married with Sivil Shepherd. That's basically,
Speaker 1: And it was in black and white. That's basically what
Speaker 1: I knew. Yeah, yeah, and you.
Speaker 2: Know, and people have done it. You didn't get into
Speaker 2: it later. But he had such an unusual career. He's
Speaker 2: considered a legend, but he had more flops than hits.
Speaker 1: It's funny, like you you do realize what freaks people
Speaker 1: like Spielberg and Scorsese, a and even like something like
Speaker 1: Rob Rainer, you know, like who this had like hit
Speaker 1: after hit after hit, like they are the freaks, Like
Speaker 1: the absolutely one hit film is amazing, so they have.
Speaker 1: Bogdanovitch is done like I think the targets and he
Speaker 1: also did, but I had no idea he did mask
Speaker 1: I saw.
Speaker 2: I was surprised by that as well.
Speaker 1: We share and Eric Staltz is Rocky Dennis one of
Speaker 1: the most heartbreaking films you can ever see.
Speaker 3: So yes, okay, we will.
Speaker 1: We will get into the last week show and Bogdanovitch
Speaker 1: and simpl Shepherd and Jeff Bridges and all of that.
Speaker 1: There is so much to talk about, but your three
Speaker 1: favorite films. Can I just congratulate you. People often come
Speaker 1: on this podcast and they feel the need and like
Speaker 1: there's no judgment because you know, there's no judgment at all,
Speaker 1: but I feel the need this to with that.
Speaker 3: You're peen one in there. You know that Art.
Speaker 2: Is one of I got to say some judgment for
Speaker 2: me because I hear this, I know exactly what you're saying,
Speaker 2: that they're all they feel like the top three should
Speaker 2: be reserved for you know this really critically acclaimed blah
Speaker 2: blah blah, And I go no, no, no, no. The top
Speaker 2: three should be the ones you revisit time and time again,
Speaker 2: the ones you know almost every line too, the ones
Speaker 2: that you know you just enjoy the most, not those
Speaker 2: art house ones that you think is going to be
Speaker 2: impressive if you say it. You know, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: So I'm every time someone's like, oh, no, no, it's this
Speaker 2: German it's a French slang. You had to watch that
Speaker 2: in high school as homework. You've never seen it again.
Speaker 1: I'm just making a note not to reference four hundred
Speaker 1: blows when I talked about the last Picture House. But
Speaker 1: let's let's let's get into Back to the Future, one
Speaker 1: of the all time great films. And I'm going to
Speaker 1: eventually my top three films I've put out there many times.
Speaker 1: In fact, we listed one of them Sideways is in there.
Speaker 1: The Godfather Part one and two Part two. I can't
Speaker 1: really separate them Part two at a pinch and playing
Speaker 1: Strains and Automobiles.
Speaker 3: They're my three, but I.
Speaker 1: Reckon if and I will look to adding to it
Speaker 1: because I always just talk about those three films and
Speaker 1: maybe deciding on like a top ten, and I think
Speaker 1: Back to the Future would have to be in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, firstly, your three are obviously excellent. And I've
Speaker 2: been to Bulton which is where they film Sideways. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I've been at the Hitching Post there, which is
Speaker 2: that you know, famous restaurant where he picks up the waitress.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, Virginia, Yes, that's right.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: And I know you've said that Thomas Haden Church is
Speaker 2: one of the most unvalued comic actors. I couldn't agree
Speaker 2: with you more. I think he is such a talent
Speaker 2: and I think he really should have a bigger career
Speaker 2: than he does.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've always been so impressed by him, and his voice
Speaker 2: is just so remarkable, and yeah, I'm a big fan.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think the reason why I so easily
Speaker 2: put Back to the Future in number one all the time,
Speaker 2: I have for years. I mean, you know, two and
Speaker 2: three they're a little harder to place, but Back to
Speaker 2: the Future is an easy pick because I think it's
Speaker 2: what really made me fall in love with movies as
Speaker 2: a kid. I mean, it made me believe that anything
Speaker 2: was possible, that you could go back in time, that
Speaker 2: you could be in a flying car and you can disappear,
Speaker 2: and you can go to high school with your parents,
Speaker 2: and I mean it made the impossible so possible. And
Speaker 2: I remember, over and over again, I'd be driving, you know,
Speaker 2: Mum would be driving us to school and we go,
Speaker 2: my Mum, I've got Eddie eight miles per hour because
Speaker 2: it's Columbits here, we don't have miles. I don't know
Speaker 2: how much and what do you think is going to happen?
Speaker 2: But I must have watched it over and over and
Speaker 2: over and over again. I could recite almost every line.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember, but as a Michael J. Fox,
Speaker 2: Marney may Fly wakes up in sort of twisted positions
Speaker 2: in his face this, but I used to fall asleep
Speaker 2: like that, and I want to be like Michael J. Fox.
Speaker 2: And it's such an uncomfortable position, so sort of face
Speaker 2: and squished in his arms behind his back and he's like,
Speaker 2: but I was like, I just wanted to be him
Speaker 2: so much, and it just meant so much. That film
Speaker 2: is so fucking great. Although I do have one criticism
Speaker 2: about it, you know, only one thing, and I know
Speaker 2: this is rare to pick a favorite film and to criticize.
Speaker 1: I have one thing as well, And I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's really weird and I did addresses with Russ Noble
Speaker 1: and he kind of put my mind at the ease
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 3: But what is your one thing?
Speaker 2: My one thing is at the end when he's you know,
Speaker 2: he's changed the past and he's altered the present, and
Speaker 2: so he's woken back up in nineteen eighty five and
Speaker 2: oh my god, everything's different. And you know, his parents.
Speaker 2: My problem is that they're rich. And for me, it
Speaker 2: always made me feel like the lesson was being rich
Speaker 2: is what made you happy? Right. I just wish they
Speaker 2: weren't rich at the end because I just felt like
Speaker 2: it was sort of a it was a bit of
Speaker 2: a cheap I just didn't love the message of it
Speaker 2: where it was like everything's fine now that we have money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right. I never thought about that.
Speaker 2: That's the only thing I'd have changed in the script.
Speaker 2: I mean, they should have been happy, definitely. I love
Speaker 2: that he's now an author, that he you know, faced
Speaker 2: his fear and he finally got his work out there
Speaker 2: and he's a published author and all that stuff. But
Speaker 2: you know in this in the version that they shot
Speaker 2: the super waspy tennis player like sweater around draped over
Speaker 2: their shoulders, that like super rich, and just that was
Speaker 2: the only thing that left a bad taste in my mouth?
Speaker 1: And did you come to that conclusion like the first
Speaker 1: time when you want?
Speaker 3: That's been sudden?
Speaker 1: That's what do you imagine when you're younger that you're
Speaker 1: probably not thinking about that?
Speaker 2: But no, no, no, no, not only older as I've started
Speaker 2: to you know, as I've made films and written screenplays
Speaker 2: and stuff. It's the one thing as I rewatched Go,
Speaker 2: if I were giving notes on the script, that would
Speaker 2: have been a note. Yeah, it would have been my
Speaker 2: only note really to be like do they need to
Speaker 2: be rich? I don't know what's what are we trying to?
Speaker 2: What are we telling people?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good point. It's a good point. I'll
Speaker 1: throw that my my my thing.
Speaker 3: That's always and it hasn't bugged me.
Speaker 1: I know it's a movie conceit, but I'll see I
Speaker 1: there's anything you can tell me that maybe takes it
Speaker 1: out of the movie conceit territory and puts it in
Speaker 1: something logical. So when Marty's trying to get back to
Speaker 1: save Doc.
Speaker 2: Yes from Olivia's Yeah.
Speaker 1: In a time machine, why does he only give himself
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes to do that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a hell of a task, it is, right.
Speaker 1: I'll be going back a year earlier and they're putting
Speaker 1: post it notes every day.
Speaker 3: Just go remember on this date.
Speaker 2: The only the only thing I would say to that is,
Speaker 2: I think one of the lessons he's learned in the
Speaker 2: film is not to alter too much of anything. Yes,
Speaker 2: because the knock effect is so great. So think the
Speaker 2: only thing in defense of I would say, well, fifteen
Speaker 2: minutes doesn't give him enough time to change too much. Yes, right,
Speaker 2: because I think the lesson here is God, if I
Speaker 2: give myself a year, then I'm going to have this
Speaker 2: same problem all over again, where I've changed too much stuff.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 2: But if it's just to stop the olibyas well, that's
Speaker 2: probably enough. I'll just get him and the dog. The
Speaker 2: Libyans are coming. Let's get out of here. Yeah, and yeah,
Speaker 2: so I only change one thing instead of accidentally changing everything.
Speaker 3: No, I do like that. I do like that a lot. Actually.
Speaker 1: I think that's a very that takes it out of
Speaker 1: a movie, conceit and into logic, which I some.
Speaker 2: Sort of logic which I like you. But but I
Speaker 2: would say to you know again, if that had been
Speaker 2: flagged in the writer's room and stuff. Easy thing to say,
Speaker 2: you know, easy thing I think to have explicitly said.
Speaker 2: If he's you know, punching back in what you know?
Speaker 2: He says, I've got a time machine.
Speaker 3: I got all the time in the world exactly, and.
Speaker 2: He goes, you know what, but fifteen minutes is that enough?
Speaker 2: I give myself more. No, no, no, no, because this
Speaker 2: is not going to happen all over again. Fifteen minutes,
Speaker 2: change one thing, then I'm done. Yes, right, if you
Speaker 2: could have said that right, and it wouldn't have been weird.
Speaker 2: He does talk to himself a lot, Yeah, he does, Yes,
Speaker 2: you know, so it wouldn't have been crazy. I can't
Speaker 2: believe it, Bob Gayle, if you want, I do.
Speaker 1: I do find it weird sometimes when I when I'm making,
Speaker 1: you know, critiques, because I'm not I'm a movie lover.
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not a critic, but I I do love to
Speaker 1: deep dive into these movies and these classic movies. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll do it again with another clas very soon.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, you find you have almost giving notes
Speaker 1: to Scorsese or someone ridiculous. But and the other the
Speaker 1: other weird thing was always kind of made me laugh
Speaker 1: in that there's that shot where the the fire trailer
Speaker 1: is left, and like, I think they're basically standing right
Speaker 1: where the fight, like the special effects has a right,
Speaker 1: but I think they're they're aiming for between their legs,
Speaker 1: but they're actually literally standing in the fire like they're sneakers.
Speaker 3: Would be will be catching fine.
Speaker 2: Will be melting to the tarmac.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's also like for those who maybe are younger,
Speaker 1: who really young, who don't you know, maybe have ye
Speaker 1: and watched Back to the Future you really should, but
Speaker 1: maybe didn't see it when it came out. It's worth
Speaker 1: noting just how massive Michael J. Fox was at this time,
Speaker 1: Like he was shooting the most popular sitcom on television,
Speaker 1: Family Ties, which is one of my all time favorites.
Speaker 3: Alex P.
Speaker 1: Keaton a great, great character, and he was shooting this
Speaker 1: because Eric Stults famously it took on the role and
Speaker 1: then it wasn't quite working, so they got Michael J.
Speaker 3: Fox in.
Speaker 1: But he was shooting Family Ties during the day I think,
Speaker 1: and shooting this at night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was. The schedule was insane. It's remarkable. Yeah,
Speaker 2: although that I think that's part of what adds to
Speaker 2: the law of this film, the legends of it. You know,
Speaker 2: the fact that I don't know how many weeks they
Speaker 2: shot out My mind was they say two weeks or
Speaker 2: something with their exs. You can find stills of it
Speaker 2: online and Eric stots in certain scenes and the diner
Speaker 2: and stuff. But then you're right, they might. The Fox
Speaker 2: is this big star, and I yeah, I think for
Speaker 2: the whole shooting he has gone back and forth. He's
Speaker 2: doing CBS or whatever it was, you know, as you say,
Speaker 2: for a few hours, and they'd wrap him early and
Speaker 2: he'd go off and back to the future. It must
Speaker 2: have been absolutely exhausted.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm doing this before the project today and
Speaker 1: I'm going to be buggered later on tonight.
Speaker 2: Completely, you know. One of the other things about you know,
Speaker 2: I could go on, but I for my money, Alan
Speaker 2: Silvestri's score it's my favorite score of any film. It's
Speaker 2: of any beats, any John Williams and I love John Williams,
Speaker 2: but that score, I just fucking love it. I mean,
Speaker 2: I absolutely, it's my favorite score. It's funny, the Huey
Speaker 2: Lewis and you know the power of love and that
Speaker 2: the soundtrack, it just there were so many puzzle pieces
Speaker 2: that click to make that film so memorable.
Speaker 3: It's beautiful.
Speaker 1: And speaking of film law, your next film, Jow has
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of it. I did this film on
Speaker 1: this podcast with Celia Pacola.
Speaker 3: Who loves she never seen it.
Speaker 1: She'd never seen it, No wow, no wow. And I
Speaker 1: do love people's reaction when they're like, well they've never
Speaker 1: seen that. Like this podcast, every week there's somebody who
Speaker 1: hasn't seen the famous movie and people still can't believe,
Speaker 1: like like.
Speaker 3: Well, the wait doesn't see Star Wars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we watched it during the pandemic and it
Speaker 1: was really weird because it was really the movie is
Speaker 1: really about a lot of it's about public safety versus
Speaker 1: commercial gain, and there's this kind of weird thing going
Speaker 1: on watching in a pandemic.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, wow, we're living this right now.
Speaker 2: I hadn't thought about that, but that's so true, you know,
Speaker 2: one of the things that you know, I love it
Speaker 2: for so many reasons, but you know, I keep on thinking,
Speaker 2: imagine if they made Jaws today, right, and they hadn't
Speaker 2: made it then, but they made it today, And I
Speaker 2: look at the casting. Roy Scheiner, Richard Dreyfus Robert Shaw today,
Speaker 2: it would be the Rock, ye, it would be the Rock, right,
Speaker 2: not an actual sorry, no offense to the Rock. But like,
Speaker 2: these guys are not tough guys and not at all.
Speaker 2: They're just like regular human men. And I feel like
Speaker 2: that's so important to that story, is that they're not
Speaker 2: tough or strong. You know, Robert Shaw's character has become
Speaker 2: parodied or copied so many times over, but at the
Speaker 2: time that was that salty sea dog. You know, it
Speaker 2: would have been ridiculous in a sense had he not
Speaker 2: had that monologue about the Annapolis you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I hadn't watched Jawis for a long
Speaker 1: time before I watched it for that episode of Celia,
Speaker 1: And that was a moment. I think that monologue, you know,
Speaker 1: when I was watching it as a kid, that's like,
Speaker 1: I'll get back to the shark. This is a little
Speaker 1: bit talking for me. So I didn't really pay I
Speaker 1: didn't take it in. And then to watch it as
Speaker 1: for the first time as well, you're probably in twenty
Speaker 1: years and to kind of realize that's a true and
Speaker 1: that's exactly right.
Speaker 3: Holy fuck.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 2: I was the same way I remember as a kid, going,
Speaker 2: I'm boring, But then he watched it. You know, the
Speaker 2: way it even starts. They're laughing and the drinking compairing
Speaker 2: scars and it's such a great and then it as
Speaker 2: Robert Shaw's character Quinn, you know, it starts talking about
Speaker 2: this why he's obsessed with sharks, why he hunts them
Speaker 2: as this sort of revenge, you know, and those classic
Speaker 2: lies in black eyes like a doll's eyes. And it's
Speaker 2: the story that I had heard behind that is that
Speaker 2: they've been trying to record it all day. Robert Shaw's
Speaker 2: just not nailing it for whatever reason, you know, doesn't
Speaker 2: feel great about it. And you know, Spielber's like, we
Speaker 2: got it, we got to find don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: We got it. And he leaves and the next day
Speaker 2: comes back and just give me what, just let me
Speaker 2: do it one more time, Let me get one more time,
Speaker 2: and they want to and Spiels like, if you think
Speaker 2: you need to, he does it once, crushes it. It's
Speaker 2: what you see in the film. He just I don't
Speaker 2: know what change. I don't know what he needed.
Speaker 1: To do, but was there something about potentially did he
Speaker 1: do it like drunk the first time, or might have heard.
Speaker 2: That he was drinking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then maybe the second time he wasn't drinking
Speaker 1: or might have been vice versa.
Speaker 3: I think it was.
Speaker 2: Do you recall it may there may have been our which.
Speaker 1: You see the scene that you understand why you may
Speaker 1: have gone there, But no, I just think incredible film.
Speaker 1: And this the whole thing about almost like so many
Speaker 1: happy accidents in this film, like the idea that this idea,
Speaker 1: the scene hour was genius. That you don't see the
Speaker 1: shark for a long time, You don't see the shark
Speaker 1: a long time because the fucking shark wasn't working it.
Speaker 2: It goes to show you that you just don't need it.
Speaker 2: You know that in a monster movie, the monster is
Speaker 2: sort of the least interesting character. You know, it taught
Speaker 2: us so much and so yes, of course, by today's standards,
Speaker 2: the shark looks absurd when you see it. It looks
Speaker 2: like a toy. It's terrible. But that's so not the
Speaker 2: point of the film. It's it's just about these men,
Speaker 2: these these men, and you know how they grow and
Speaker 2: evolve and change over time, and because of this monster,
Speaker 2: they you know, the monster is the catalyst, but so
Speaker 2: not the most interesting part. Of the film. Uh yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's Spielberg's best in my opinion. But and
Speaker 2: he's done some amazing things. But I just you know,
Speaker 2: it made me scared to go in the pool as
Speaker 2: a kid. Yeah, it affected me, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I mean the influence that that that film has
Speaker 1: had on it. Like I said, not only cinema in
Speaker 1: the way we kind of you know, deal with you know,
Speaker 1: the murderers and the and the villains and then the monsters,
Speaker 1: but also the actual psyche of people who go to
Speaker 1: a beach.
Speaker 3: You know, all around the world.
Speaker 1: I mean, any time you're at a beach, you just
Speaker 1: your back of your brain is there's is going to
Speaker 1: be a shark out there. And part of that if
Speaker 1: you're you know, of a certain generation or you've seen
Speaker 1: this film, it's it's because of this fucking film.
Speaker 2: And so and let's again, I'm got to go on
Speaker 2: about it. But the score, the Williams, I mean, it's
Speaker 2: become so ubiquitous, but that is that's genius. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: music is fucking amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, very few scores of people like you said, well,
Speaker 1: actually this will go into it in a certain moment.
Speaker 1: He might he might be because they're they're in the
Speaker 1: beach and in the ocean and they're having a laugh,
Speaker 1: but they might just be anything that might be danger
Speaker 1: impending danger.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he people go.
Speaker 1: That like a dark Vader kind of the Imperial March
Speaker 1: is kind of one that comes that comes to mind
Speaker 1: as well, Like, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: I think I think that all of those elements, you know,
Speaker 2: but Roy Scheider, you know, just such such great cast
Speaker 2: that we're going to need a bigger boat, you know,
Speaker 2: the classic line that was purportedly improvised, those lines. I
Speaker 2: think that's what kind of makes that film so recognized,
Speaker 2: so memorable to me, you know, give me the head,
Speaker 2: the tailor of the whole damn thing. So much of
Speaker 2: that film I love.
Speaker 1: And also those films in the seventies. I've spoken a
Speaker 1: little bit about this on this podcast. They just end,
Speaker 1: you know, they they they just once, once it's done,
Speaker 1: they end. So there's no there's no reunions of everyone
Speaker 1: like that. They're swimming back out of just killing the shart.
Speaker 1: They basically get to the shore and it ends. There's
Speaker 1: no reunions, Like there's no you know, there's no Peter Jackson,
Speaker 1: you know, a fifteen minute epilogue.
Speaker 2: That's such a good point. I hadn't thought of that,
Speaker 2: and it's great. You just know everything's okay. You're right,
Speaker 2: you don't need there to be an ending, but you
Speaker 2: I think that's so true.
Speaker 11: We have.
Speaker 2: I think we've demanded, you know, completion more in today's
Speaker 2: the way we digest story.
Speaker 1: Now, it's like they've listened to my mum my, my
Speaker 1: mom will watch a movie and kind of go oh,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to know, like, you know, when they
Speaker 1: got up with that person and what happened with that,
Speaker 1: and you know, all these kind of you know, kind
Speaker 1: of minor characters like no know Everything, Coloring Yourself, Ghostbusters,
Speaker 1: I mean so, I mean this comes out around you know,
Speaker 1: the time of Back to the Future as well, and
Speaker 1: those two films for me, both brilliant, but I do
Speaker 1: remember like the marketing strategies behind and it really felt
Speaker 1: like when I think of marketing going into a movie,
Speaker 1: like those are the two films that I think, or
Speaker 1: maybe it was just the age I was in. I
Speaker 1: had a Ghostbusters. He slimed me tank top before I'd
Speaker 1: even seen the movie.
Speaker 2: Oh look, you're so right. I mean I think perhaps
Speaker 2: those three the three films I've chose were films that
Speaker 2: you know, calcified into my in my psyche as a kid,
Speaker 2: and definitely made me fall in love with movies, definitely
Speaker 2: made me want to be in movies or be around movies.
Speaker 2: But you're right, I think I remember collecting, you know,
Speaker 2: like McDonalds, Hnry Jackson, whatever, had like Ghostbusters cups and
Speaker 2: stuff that you know, we used to collect. It was
Speaker 2: you just wanted, you wanted as much go I used
Speaker 2: to collect the trading cards and stuff. I just wanted
Speaker 2: as much stuff as possible. And I remember being really
Speaker 2: scared of parts of Ghostbusters as again, particularly the opening
Speaker 2: library scene. You know, I was really frightened to that.
Speaker 2: But I think, certainly to my recollection, the first horror
Speaker 2: comedy I'd ever seen, so this sort of mash of
Speaker 2: genre that I'd never even known was kind of possible,
Speaker 2: you know, the chemistry of those three, you know, and
Speaker 2: then ultimately four Ghostbusters. The music again so recognizable, so iconic,
Speaker 2: the costume so iconic, but I think it probably undeniable.
Speaker 2: The secret sources is Bill Murray. You know, he really
Speaker 2: elevates that film to something extra. I think it's that's
Speaker 2: sardonic you know, super super funny and sarcastic in the
Speaker 2: face of fear. Well, everyone else is frightened, you know that.
Speaker 2: You know, are you the gay kid? No, but I'm
Speaker 2: a friend of my a friend of his. He has
Speaker 2: been a medium here. You know, he's sort of He's
Speaker 2: just so cool. He's so cool and I'm scared of anything.
Speaker 2: And I think that was so as a kid. I
Speaker 2: was like, I want to be that cool. I want
Speaker 2: to be I don't want to be scared of anything like.
Speaker 1: Him, you know, yeah, yeah, and and and Rick Moranas
Speaker 1: and Sigourney Weaver and I mean, for me, on top
Speaker 1: of Bill Murray, the marshmallow Man was a revelation. It
Speaker 1: was just like, oh, well, this I wasn't I wasn't
Speaker 1: expecting it. I thought this was all going to be
Speaker 1: about ghosts and how I envisaged ghosts and and uh
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, this marshmallow Man was
Speaker 1: just just hilarious but also kind of frightening.
Speaker 2: I I there a bit of a name drop. And
Speaker 2: I had worked with Dan Aykroyd in a film called
Speaker 2: The Campaign with and and Dan was in it with
Speaker 2: John Lithgow, and I was sort of playing the Coke Brothers,
Speaker 2: the sort of parody of the Coke Brothers and in
Speaker 2: the you know, these rich conservative in benefactors or whatever,
Speaker 2: and you know, we're sitting out there in betwe it
Speaker 2: takes some time, and I was nervously God I mentioned ghostbusters.
Speaker 2: I mean, he must get he must get this. All
Speaker 2: the time. I was like, oh, Dan, I just sorry.
Speaker 2: I thought I had heard that your dad was an
Speaker 2: actual ghostbuster, right, and he goes, he dryly goes, no,
Speaker 2: it was my grandfather. We were talking and I said,
Speaker 2: was he really because absolutely all that stuff that we mentioned,
Speaker 2: you know, the symmetrical book stacking, and it's all real.
Speaker 2: It's all stuff that was documented. And he brought up
Speaker 2: with it, you know, listening to his grandfather or whatever
Speaker 2: about all this ghostbusting stuff. So it certainly was Dan.
Speaker 2: I think it was dan Akroyd's conception. The idea of
Speaker 2: ghosts inspectors was dan akrod.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I have heard this the the you're killing
Speaker 1: it and we can talk more after before we got
Speaker 1: into the last bit of show.
Speaker 3: But I will, I will take that point up. What
Speaker 3: do you like on that?
Speaker 1: When you've got Will Ferrell there in, you know and
Speaker 1: command everyone who is in you know, in the Commen
Speaker 1: two and or on the campaign and you've got legends
Speaker 1: around you. You know, what do you like with the
Speaker 1: fangirl is it? Is it a case by case you'll
Speaker 1: have to be a case by case kind of situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look at it totally is and it you know,
Speaker 2: it's really a testament to those actors, you know, to
Speaker 2: make you feel so comfortable you don't feel like fan
Speaker 2: girling out a bit. You know, they're just so comfortable.
Speaker 2: They make you feel included. You know, when you're sitting
Speaker 2: around it's not that you don't ever get the sense
Speaker 2: of all there are the celebrities and the rest of us.
Speaker 2: Sorry no, no, no. Will Will Ferrell is always you know,
Speaker 2: it makes sure everyone's involved. Everyone. This is a you know,
Speaker 2: a collaboration and you know there's this collegiate feel to it.
Speaker 2: So you know, I'm always very reluctant to ask, you know,
Speaker 2: fanny type questions and I don't often need to. But
Speaker 2: I'll never take photos. That's one thing I'll never be like,
Speaker 2: do you want to make a photocause I always feel
Speaker 2: that's a bit tacky and I wouldn't even know what
Speaker 2: to do with it. Even if I did, you know,
Speaker 2: but I think, you know, I remember with John Lithgow,
Speaker 2: I was asking all these theater questions and you could
Speaker 2: tell he was so excited to be talking about theater,
Speaker 2: you know, it was his other love. And and I
Speaker 2: think it's just about you know, it's so quickly the
Speaker 2: celebrity thing wears off, you know, so so quickly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: sort of fifteen thirty minutes in and you just, I
Speaker 2: guess you could just it's another job and these are
Speaker 2: your colleagues and and you're just working together and if
Speaker 2: you're polite and respectful, and they almost all are. I
Speaker 2: very rarely have had an experience where the actors have
Speaker 2: been rude or or you know, makes it make you
Speaker 2: feel less than I haven't had much of that, so
Speaker 2: I've been really lucky. But they were all really, really lovely.
Speaker 2: I remember Steve Carrell was he was quiet, you know,
Speaker 2: he was really quiet, and he kept himself in the
Speaker 2: down time, an incredibly intelligent guy, was always reading and
Speaker 2: we were like, I was lucky enough to just sit
Speaker 2: next to him on a flight from Sydney to la
Speaker 2: and part of the junket and that's where I really
Speaker 2: got to talk to him, and he was just the
Speaker 2: nicest guy and seemed interested in getting to know me
Speaker 2: as much as I was interested in getting to know him,
Speaker 2: you know I was. I'll treasure those interactions forever, even
Speaker 2: though of course, you know, I wouldn't consider them close friends.
Speaker 2: I'd never be able to call them up. But those
Speaker 2: little chapters, they're really special. I'll remember them forever, really
Speaker 2: really fun.
Speaker 1: It's funny people who have asked me my favorite interviews
Speaker 1: and who's a nice They.
Speaker 3: Want to know, who are the nicest people?
Speaker 2: Who?
Speaker 1: You know, out of all the interviews I've done with
Speaker 1: Rove Live and Radio and the Project, and I still
Speaker 1: say Corral and Will Ferrer all are the two most
Speaker 1: grounded like superstars I have met. It's like because they
Speaker 1: worked through their fate. And I first met Carrel and
Speaker 1: Will Ferrell at a time at Rogue Live when we're
Speaker 1: a lot Big Brother kind of you know, you intruders
Speaker 1: and people who have this exit of the Big Brother
Speaker 1: house come through our show like it is part of
Speaker 1: the network agreement that would have a Big Brother contestant
Speaker 1: on each week, and I saw, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: shittier rude of behavior from them than I did from
Speaker 1: these genuine ser stars.
Speaker 2: You're so right, I mean almost always, so you hear this.
Speaker 2: Often the most famous people have nothing to prove, they don't,
Speaker 2: you know, And a lot of the time they're famous
Speaker 2: or because they've worked, really are, they've struggled. It's very
Speaker 2: rare that they just someone just handed it to them.
Speaker 2: So I think there's some gratitude there a lot of
Speaker 2: the time, and they realize they can all be taken away.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's those D level A celebrities quote
Speaker 2: unquote that I've experienced the worst, you know, interactions.
Speaker 3: With Yeah, I found yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I back you up on that for sure. It's
Speaker 2: never the most famous that in my experience.
Speaker 1: Mate, Let's talk about this nineteen seventy two classic film
Speaker 1: from Peter Bogdanovich, written by Peter Bogdanovic and Larry McMurty
Speaker 1: based on his novel, starring Just a Parade of Legends,
Speaker 1: starting with Timothy Bottoms and Jeff Bridges, Sybil Shepherd, Alan Burston,
Speaker 1: Eileen Brennan, and of course Chloris Leachman who wins the
Speaker 1: Oscar alongside Ben Johnson. Did you enjoy the Last Picture Show,
Speaker 1: Josh Lawson?
Speaker 2: You know, somewhere in the middle. Look, it drags for
Speaker 2: me a bit, for sure. It definitely doesn't have, you know,
Speaker 2: a traditional story structure, you know, that kind of three
Speaker 2: or five act structure where you know, set up to
Speaker 2: at the beginning get paid off of you. Not so
Speaker 2: much of that, but there is something hypnotic about it.
Speaker 2: I did get swept up a little bit in the
Speaker 2: minutia of it, you know. So initially I think I
Speaker 2: was watching of the black and White going, is this
Speaker 2: a bit of a wag? I understand why you do it.
Speaker 2: It's set in the fifties. They're watching black and white
Speaker 2: movies at the picture shows, so I can, I can.
Speaker 2: I can understand the choice, but you know, I do
Speaker 2: get a little turned off if it's not authentically black
Speaker 2: and white. If it's a director's choice to do that,
Speaker 2: sometimes I do sort of roll my eyes a little
Speaker 2: bit and go, you.
Speaker 1: Know, they did apparently consult with Awesome Wells, and Awesome
Speaker 1: Wells encourage them to do black and white because he
Speaker 1: thinks actors give better performances. I'm black and white. It's
Speaker 1: weird for me to think about that, because I would
Speaker 1: have thought you don't necessarily think about the film stock.
Speaker 1: But I guess you you direct differently and you make
Speaker 1: that yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so Bogdanovich and Wells were good friends at
Speaker 2: the time, I believe, I think they were. I have
Speaker 2: a feeling I may have gotten this wrong. They may
Speaker 2: have even been living together for a time, the awesome
Speaker 2: Wells in like the spare room or I'm something odd.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've gotten that totally right, but
Speaker 2: I certainly they were really really good friends. And they
Speaker 2: had a big falling out later in life about something else.
Speaker 2: I can't quite remember what, but but yeah, at that time,
Speaker 2: You're right, they were quite close. And I think it
Speaker 2: was a huge coup for Bogdanavish to be referred to
Speaker 2: as Wellsian or the new Awson Wells or something. I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously for any director, but particularly for Bogdanovitch because of
Speaker 2: that friendship. But you know, look, it was It's an
Speaker 2: interesting film, as you say, a crazy parade of stars.
Speaker 2: I mean Sybil Shepherd, I guess wasn't a star at
Speaker 2: the time introducing Sybil Shepherd, yep, but you know she
Speaker 2: was great. Jeff Bridges was great. Timothy Bottoms interestingly enough,
Speaker 2: you know, the lead of this film. It probably has
Speaker 2: the least impressive career of any of them.
Speaker 1: And I thought he was I thought he was so good,
Speaker 1: solid and felt like so modern in a way, like
Speaker 1: he like that could have been Timothy Chamlay.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, you know quite easily. See.
Speaker 1: So after when I'm watching a film, I there's a
Speaker 1: moment and where I feel like I am confident, like
Speaker 1: it's got me and it happened.
Speaker 3: It can happen really early, like.
Speaker 1: What's casting in the Sundown's kid the opening frame the
Speaker 1: steam train and it's in a bit of CPA and
Speaker 1: there's a lovely score, and I just went I watch
Speaker 1: it for the first time with Bob Murphy for this podcast,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, I love this film.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I know, I'm gonna love this film. I
Speaker 3: am in.
Speaker 1: This didn't happen for me straight away like it was
Speaker 1: this is, this is And for those I think this
Speaker 1: is a really interesting film for this podcast because there's
Speaker 1: all different kinds of people who watch listen to this podcast.
Speaker 1: People who absolute rabid film nerds who just have seen
Speaker 1: all the films and would have would have seen the
Speaker 1: Last Picture Show. And then there are some who are
Speaker 1: more casual movie lovers who you know will have seen
Speaker 1: you know, twenty five percent of the movies they should
Speaker 1: have seen or have been told to see. So I
Speaker 1: feel like there's a fair few listeners who will not
Speaker 1: have seen this movie as I. As I hadn't obviously,
Speaker 1: and I watched it twice. I watched it about two
Speaker 1: weeks ago and then not long after I saw You
Speaker 1: because and then I was going off the shoot a
Speaker 1: little something. And then I watched it again last night,
Speaker 1: and I must say I enjoyed it. I got through
Speaker 1: it the first time, and I did enjoy it. I
Speaker 1: got through the stage about it. It did grow It's
Speaker 1: a slow burn.
Speaker 2: But it's a slow burn.
Speaker 3: It got me.
Speaker 1: And the second time this last night, I kind of
Speaker 1: loved it. Actually, I was like, yeah, ah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: see it now and all these kind of pieces and
Speaker 1: all these sad characters who are trying to just get
Speaker 1: by and and survive and the you know, and then
Speaker 1: you have these legends who they all have their moment,
Speaker 1: they all have these little, great little monologues and there's
Speaker 1: some beautiful little insights and heartbreaking with you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, it definitely grew on me. And I know exactly
Speaker 2: what you're talking about. I think if I did watch
Speaker 2: it again, I'd appreciate it more knowing now what to expect.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, when you when you go in
Speaker 2: with a slight expectation of this is a classic Oh
Speaker 2: my god, one hundred percent of rotten tomatoes or two oscars,
Speaker 2: this thing is going to be killer, And when it doesn't,
Speaker 2: you know, quite fit the space that you've made for
Speaker 2: it in your brain. You know, it takes a while
Speaker 2: for that schizm to start, you know, settling down. If
Speaker 2: I were to rewatch it, I'd be able to go
Speaker 2: in a little bit more relaxed. You I know what
Speaker 2: this is. This is sort of a you know, an
Speaker 2: atmospheric a collection of vignettes over the course of one
Speaker 2: year in this Texas town. And yes you're following one guy,
Speaker 2: but it's really the tentacles are reaching out and all
Speaker 2: the misadvantage. You know, there is something I think I
Speaker 2: like the idea of when did it kind of grab you?
Speaker 2: I think the bit where I leaned forward was this
Speaker 2: the bit when Simple Shepherd's character Jace ends up going
Speaker 2: to the pool hall with you know, the guy that
Speaker 2: sort of embrum has been kind of sleep or something
Speaker 2: that was the weird kind of oh my god, she's
Speaker 2: sleeping with the guy and mom's sleeping with and then
Speaker 2: and then she kind of this beautiful shot where she
Speaker 2: puts her fingers through the baskets on the pool table.
Speaker 3: Yeah for that, Yeah, I was like, this is this.
Speaker 2: Kind of got me. This is That's the moment where
Speaker 2: I went, I mean into this.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like I imagine this film is it's nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy two, so there's you know, they're starting to make
Speaker 1: you know, films and that are there's a bit more
Speaker 1: nudity and sex come of portrayed. But I still imagine
Speaker 1: this would have been reasonably scandalous this film.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you spotted there was this moment
Speaker 2: in it when you know, Jeff Bridges is kind of
Speaker 2: dejected at this party at you know, the tiny little
Speaker 2: community hall, and Jasey's gone off with Randy Quaid's character Lester,
Speaker 2: and they're all out. All the boys are outside and
Speaker 2: they're talking about what do we do. We got to
Speaker 2: go pick up We're gonna go find a girl. We
Speaker 2: gotta go get some pussy, they say. And I don't
Speaker 2: know if you spotted this one of them very casually
Speaker 2: suggests that they go on fuck a cow. Do you
Speaker 2: do you remember this? Oh, I swear to God.
Speaker 1: Well, because they they start talking about the heifers and
Speaker 1: then and that's how they get on to talk, you know, to.
Speaker 2: The talk about the Jimmy sue. Yeah, Jimmy suit that
Speaker 2: text working. But do you think, yeah, my uncle's got
Speaker 2: a got a heifer because and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: we can do better than that. And then one of
Speaker 2: them goes, hey, pussy's pussy. I don't think it is guys,
Speaker 2: you're talking about fucking a cow. Like, firstly, it does
Speaker 2: not sound this is the first time you've suggested fucking.
Speaker 2: This sounds like a pretty regular thing that the cow
Speaker 2: is on the menu at all times. I had to
Speaker 2: rewatch it. I was like, who wha are these students?
Speaker 2: Are these high school boys talking, really talking about fucking a.
Speaker 3: Con and this is nineteen seventy two, wagus not even invented.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's like, wait for them.
Speaker 2: Dude, I think it will forever. Unfortunately it's just a
Speaker 2: throw away line, but it will always be the cow
Speaker 2: fucking film for me. I don't know how to get
Speaker 2: past that.
Speaker 1: Well, let's work at getting through the cow fucking let's
Speaker 1: let's talk about let's talk a simple shepherd. J C
Speaker 1: does really help this film, I think, because she's this
Speaker 1: is kind of fascinating character and it's it's it's her
Speaker 1: in combination with Lois Elan Burston amazing Elan Burston's green
Speaker 1: Legend Elan Burston. More recent younger fans may have seen
Speaker 1: her in Recreem for a Dream, a dream she had
Speaker 1: like a like a senior's career moment with that, if
Speaker 1: you like and if you don't have that relationship with
Speaker 1: the mum, you kind of she's another kind of you know,
Speaker 1: gene in genus, in genue, the word always see that
Speaker 1: word and never and she's the tentress and you know,
Speaker 1: you kind of it's it could be a bit shallow,
Speaker 1: but when you see the relationship with the mom and
Speaker 1: the ideas that Lois is putting into her daughter his
Speaker 1: head about what you need to do to you know,
Speaker 1: to climb the ladder and why don't you sleep with
Speaker 1: a few times first and realized it's no good and
Speaker 1: then you know, like it's just there's that moment actually
Speaker 1: when she comes home after that, you know, having sex
Speaker 1: on the pool table, and Lois thinks, this guy that
Speaker 1: is kind of the cool I do forget his name
Speaker 1: he's had I think.
Speaker 3: It's Evelene, Yeah, Evelene or Avelene. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So he comes, he sees she sees the car, thinking
Speaker 1: she's coming for him for me. Yeah, very early booty calls.
Speaker 3: Going on in this movie.
Speaker 1: By the way, everyone's everyone which is which is like
Speaker 1: small to understand.
Speaker 3: And and there's.
Speaker 1: That moment where she walks through the door and you
Speaker 1: see the look on Alan Berson's face and then she
Speaker 1: kind of breaks down into tears and they have this
Speaker 1: kind of in fact, let's have a listen to that discussion,
Speaker 1: because she then goes into perhaps selling the idea of Sonny.
Speaker 1: So it's JC considering Sonny.
Speaker 7: Oh he's just awful, Mama, What are you fool with him?
Speaker 2: He's a nice a man in him it neither he's.
Speaker 4: Sure is beautiful.
Speaker 5: Your daddy's a very nice man. I ought to have
Speaker 5: been given, I believe, Helen.
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm gonna do. Bobby was the
Speaker 2: last one. Just gonna be an old moon, honey.
Speaker 5: That's just the way it goes sometimes, you know, you
Speaker 5: win a few.
Speaker 10: You lose a.
Speaker 4: Kids, what do you do?
Speaker 7: Nothing's ever to win, it's supposed to be at all.
Speaker 5: You're right, come on, I wanna take something. What I've
Speaker 5: done has not worked out too well. I think maybe
Speaker 5: we better think of something else for you right now.
Speaker 5: I guess Ruth Proper's thought about it as good as
Speaker 5: set up a for sure. I think Sunny's a reasonably
Speaker 5: good looking he's gonna call for don't you know about Dad?
Speaker 5: That's been going on about six months now. I thought
Speaker 5: you kids.
Speaker 4: May silly thing I ever heard of.
Speaker 8: She's forty years.
Speaker 5: Old, so my honey, it's kind of lichly age one.
Speaker 8: An orange Honey's always want to go with me.
Speaker 3: I mean, her ability to pivot is impressive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh look, it's a great that's a really good scene.
Speaker 2: Now that is you know what else you notice in
Speaker 2: that is how they talk over the top of each other,
Speaker 2: and that is such it's a lost art. And the
Speaker 2: why I think that happens is because we've so we
Speaker 2: filmmakers very rarely do two shots anymore, and they keep
Speaker 2: the actors in the same shot so they're able to
Speaker 2: talk over the top of each other. There's so many
Speaker 2: performances are saved in posts. Now, you know, I think
Speaker 2: acting is getting sloppier, and so you just do these
Speaker 2: singles and they can't talk over the top of each
Speaker 2: other because they have to splice between the lines, and
Speaker 2: so it's it's it actually stands out to me when
Speaker 2: in older films when they start muddying the dialogue, because
Speaker 2: it doesn't happen nearly as much anymore. It's very rare,
Speaker 2: and I find it so realistic. But it's largely because
Speaker 2: you know of those long two shots where the actors
Speaker 2: aren't going to you know, mess up the editing because
Speaker 2: they're in the same frame.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1: And in fact, I know that Bogdanovitch almost got fired
Speaker 1: because in the scene where Jeff Bridges comes back and
Speaker 1: they fight, they have a punch on over JC. He
Speaker 1: didn't get a master and which for those at home,
Speaker 1: is like the wide shot that kind of covers all
Speaker 1: the action that often will save you in the edit.
Speaker 1: And luckily, because it just ended up working, he didn't
Speaker 1: need it. But yeah, it's it's it's interesting. He was
Speaker 1: obviously making very interesting choices back then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know we're talking about that jac character
Speaker 2: with the simple Shepherd. I agree with you. When it
Speaker 2: started off, I was sort of like, this is a
Speaker 2: bit two dimensional and the cutest girl in school and
Speaker 2: all the boys won her, and I was thinking, I
Speaker 2: get it, you know, female characters certainly have become a
Speaker 2: lot more interesting in screen, you know, But actually that
Speaker 2: was a bit of a mysterirect because she really becomes
Speaker 2: so pivotal to every Yeah, her she's I wouldn't say
Speaker 2: machiavellian because she is just a child in it, but
Speaker 2: she makes a very unexpected decision. She is really selfish
Speaker 2: in a way, and she's as you say, you can
Speaker 2: understand where it comes from because of her mom. But
Speaker 2: she ends up being probably the most interesting character. And
Speaker 2: I think Civil Stepper's performance in it is really good
Speaker 2: to someone who's really young. I think she's like twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one years old or something. I was really young.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and she's you know, I mean, she's shot
Speaker 1: very well, and there's some gorgeous shots of her.
Speaker 3: Ellen Burston's gorgeous as well. I mean, and she's forty
Speaker 3: forty year forty years old or she's forty years old.
Speaker 3: How well is that?
Speaker 1: And Cloris Leachman, I think gives I mean, she wins
Speaker 1: the Oscar for this performance, but I think she gives
Speaker 1: a really kind of nuanced role.
Speaker 3: I could imagine if.
Speaker 1: You're making if there's an Australian remake of the Last
Speaker 1: Picture show like A Cat's Stewart would be amazing.
Speaker 3: Kind of a really real, really good.
Speaker 1: Acting chops and and kind of going from tragic to
Speaker 1: kind of you know, hopeful and and and all those
Speaker 1: gear changes that she makes is I think really impressive.
Speaker 2: And the way that you know Claras Leachman's character, Ruth
Speaker 2: Popper's comes into contact with Sonny this bizarre sort of
Speaker 2: May December romance, is that he's he gets asked by
Speaker 2: the basketball coach Ruth's husband to drive it to the clinic.
Speaker 2: Do we ever find out why? What has going on
Speaker 2: to the clinic?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I don't think we ever do find out. The second
Speaker 1: time I watched, I was trying to keep an ear
Speaker 1: out for that, But I don't think because it's not
Speaker 1: the first time I thought, is it an abortion?
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 1: And then and but they're not. They're clearly not having sex. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: But Cloris Leachman says said, and she said, this is
Speaker 1: not necessarily even in the book, I don't think, but
Speaker 1: she believed in fact what got her through, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm preparing for the role that she believed her husband
Speaker 1: was closeted was a closet gay man. So that kind
Speaker 1: of informed her motivation.
Speaker 2: And you know that so interesting. That would explain so
Speaker 2: many other questions that I had. One is the whole
Speaker 2: town knows about the affair, right that that becomes clear
Speaker 2: that as Genevieve, I mean Brennan's character says in it,
Speaker 2: you cut sneeze in this town without someone from your handkerchiefs, right,
Speaker 2: So everyone knows about this affair. And the whole time,
Speaker 2: I'm going, well, if everyone knows, why isn't the husband
Speaker 2: doing anything about it? Yeah, but I guess he wouldn't
Speaker 2: if he's like good, I'm not attracted tour anyway, I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: you know. But because she does, he does say something
Speaker 2: at the start where Sonny says something to Ruth where
Speaker 2: it's like, you know what, I don't you know? It's
Speaker 2: ignorant to the whole situation, and Ruth says, you really
Speaker 2: don't have a clue. Somebody's in that affair. That's right,
Speaker 2: It would that would make sense if she's sort of saying, oh,
Speaker 2: you don't really you don't know that he's gay? You know, really, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's something there. I really don't know.
Speaker 1: I think you're right, actually, because when she said that,
Speaker 1: and even though I did maybe I kind of clocked
Speaker 1: that read about claras Sleichman's belief afterwards, But yeah, I
Speaker 1: think you're right. I think what does that mean? What
Speaker 1: does you really don't have a clue because it gets explained, No,
Speaker 1: because it has something bigger than we're just not getting
Speaker 1: along in our marriage totally.
Speaker 2: No, No, it looks bigger than that. But it does
Speaker 2: never get explained. But you remember she says about that.
Speaker 2: She comes back into the car after going to the clinic,
Speaker 2: she breaks her she's crying, and he's like, oh, is
Speaker 2: it something bad? And she goes know, something dreary. Do
Speaker 2: you remember that. That's an interesting one too. It is
Speaker 2: something dreary, and it never gets explained. I'd love to
Speaker 2: know why she was in the clinic more than once
Speaker 2: she goes back. She's going back multiple.
Speaker 3: Yeah, these are multiple trips. And then she goes back with.
Speaker 2: That in this dreary reason I wonder what it is
Speaker 2: if anyone she's only forty you know, she's not an
Speaker 2: old woman in the in the movie, you.
Speaker 1: Know, no, because if anyone does know he has any
Speaker 1: podcasts at gmail dot com or you can get onto
Speaker 1: our speak pipe and actually leave a voice message and
Speaker 1: let us know what you think or what you know,
Speaker 1: because if that is something involving.
Speaker 3: Mental health, that's yeah, that's that. I think it's phenomenal.
Speaker 11: And like totally yeah.
Speaker 3: Moving to nineteen seventy two and something dreary. I don't know.
Speaker 3: That feels like she's getting some maybe some uppers or something.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It was something to help her through Oh,
Speaker 3: and I thought.
Speaker 2: That amazing sent at the end where basically Sonny chooses
Speaker 2: Jace that you know, because suddenly Jacy sort of goes, oh,
Speaker 2: I didn't know Sonny wanted someone else. Okay, well I
Speaker 2: want him now basically, you know, great, and she goes
Speaker 2: off and sort of wraps him around her little finger
Speaker 2: and and and so without any explanation, Sonny just doesn't
Speaker 2: ever show up to Ruth's place ever again, and she's
Speaker 2: left wondering, you know where he is anyway, So at
Speaker 2: the very end of the film, he turns back up.
Speaker 2: I guess sort of apologize and and you know she
Speaker 2: has this great monolog. I would say it's it's the
Speaker 2: monolog that gets.
Speaker 1: To the Oscar Well, I can tell you. Let's have
Speaker 1: a listen to her. I know we are jumping around,
Speaker 1: but let's have a listen to it. Because they did
Speaker 1: not she wanted to rehearse the scene, Bogdanovitch said, no,
Speaker 1: let's not rehearse it. Let's keep it nice and fresh.
Speaker 3: Ruth, sorry, Chloris.
Speaker 1: Chloris reluctantly agrees and does the same, and this is
Speaker 1: the result.
Speaker 3: Sonny returns to Ruth.
Speaker 7: What am I doing apologizing to you? Why am I
Speaker 7: always apologizing to you? You little pleasant? Three months, I've
Speaker 7: been apologizing to you, and I've even been here. I
Speaker 7: haven't done anything wrong. Why can't I quit apologizing? You're
Speaker 7: the one ought to be sorry. How would spit in
Speaker 7: a basketball but I hadn't been for you. I had
Speaker 7: my clothes hours ago. You're the one made me quit,
Speaker 7: cared if I got dressed or not. I guess just
Speaker 7: because your friend got killed, you want me to forget
Speaker 7: what you did and make it all right. I'm not
Speaker 7: sorry for you. You don't left Billy too, just like
Speaker 7: you left me. I bet you left him plenty of
Speaker 7: nights whenever JC whistled, I wouldn't tat a.
Speaker 2: Dog that way.
Speaker 7: I guess you thought I was so.
Speaker 1: Old and ugly.
Speaker 7: You didn't owe me any explanation. You didn't need to
Speaker 7: be careful of me. There wasn't anything I could do
Speaker 7: about you and her. Why should you be careful of me?
Speaker 10: You didn't love me.
Speaker 7: Look here, don't you need to look?
Speaker 1: And then there is a beautiful hand ballet that goes on.
Speaker 1: And what's really interesting is that scene starts she answers
Speaker 1: the door in her dressing gown, obviously, but she's been crying.
Speaker 1: But the sound that you hear is the can laughter
Speaker 1: of a radio sitcom or a TV SI calm playing
Speaker 1: in the background, which again is often you know, people
Speaker 1: the obvious choices to go with some sad music playing,
Speaker 1: but they go with this laughter, which is a lovely contradiction.
Speaker 3: She does that scene, Josh, and she says.
Speaker 1: Bogdanovich says perfect, you got it, and she goes, I
Speaker 1: think I can do better, and he says to her, no,
Speaker 1: you just won the Oscar.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, so you your instincts serve you well, sir.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there's always I do always feel like there's
Speaker 2: a moment in every Oscar winning performance that really secures
Speaker 2: you know, it's not it's you know, often the olds,
Speaker 2: the whole film it's like, yeah, of course, everyone's you know,
Speaker 2: the whole performance is strong. There's often just one scene,
Speaker 2: one moment that's the nail in the coffin, and it felt,
Speaker 2: you know, like that moment for me. I love that
Speaker 2: line she says, you're the one who may be quit
Speaker 2: caring whether I got dressed or Yeah, that's a that's
Speaker 2: a great line. And and what strangers you say about
Speaker 2: that hand ballet is I was really expecting her to
Speaker 2: pull her hand away after he reaches out like this,
Speaker 2: But it's so much messier than that. You see, she's
Speaker 2: so broken and she has this moment of strength, but
Speaker 2: in fact, it looks as if she kind of takes
Speaker 2: him back after that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think, and that's that's the I mean,
Speaker 1: just before this, we have to remember he's he's left town,
Speaker 1: like he's he's having his Springsteen moment. He's busting out,
Speaker 1: and it's the saddest you turn in movie history potentially,
Speaker 1: like he just pulls aside of road and he turns around.
Speaker 1: So these two people, I think area stuck here. Jc's gone,
Speaker 1: she's left to college.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's got a college. She's gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. Dwayne's gone to Korea. He's serving in Korea.
Speaker 1: So these two, you know, kind of left with each
Speaker 1: other and we can in our own minds we can
Speaker 1: work out, you know, and and theorize whether they work
Speaker 1: it out or not.
Speaker 3: But there's a beautiful line as well.
Speaker 1: And there's so many great lines in this movie that
Speaker 1: are not flowery and they're easy to miss, like the
Speaker 1: one you just said is you know, it is beautiful.
Speaker 1: And she says, you didn't need to be careful of me,
Speaker 1: you know, because I'm older and Jac's the pretty, the
Speaker 1: pretty young thing. You decided that you didn't need to
Speaker 1: be careful of me. And I think that's a really
Speaker 1: insightful line because it actually was what he had subconsciously
Speaker 1: at least decided this was a thing that there's not
Speaker 1: that I don't need. It doesn't need to be handled
Speaker 1: with with with with care, m you know.
Speaker 2: And there's this yeah, you're right, there are so there
Speaker 2: are so many intimate moments between them that yeah, it's
Speaker 2: not only was it filmed in the seventies but said
Speaker 2: in the fifties, but felt really contemporary. It felt like
Speaker 2: these are still things that humans talk about and bicker
Speaker 2: about it and wrestle with and yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: Well there's one there's one bit where his girlfriend when
Speaker 1: he breaks up with his girlfriend originally Sonny, and she says,
Speaker 1: give me back my pictures. I don't want you telling
Speaker 1: the other boys how hot I am. But is like
Speaker 1: revenge porn?
Speaker 3: This is revenge n fifty one.
Speaker 12: Yeah, let's talk about Jeff Bridges because I mean, he's
Speaker 12: I assume you you love a bit of Jeff Bridges.
Speaker 2: I mean, who doesn't love Uncle Jeff. He's he it's
Speaker 2: you know, he's the best. Lebowski is probably my favorite
Speaker 2: Coen Brothers film. You know, but it's his voice. Yes,
Speaker 2: his voice is so iconic. You know, I can't I
Speaker 2: wish I could an impression on it. I'm not an impressionist,
Speaker 2: but you know, but even back then, you sort of
Speaker 2: can get a glim.
Speaker 3: He is so good.
Speaker 1: That's so you're gonna see, you know, like Timothy Bottoms,
Speaker 1: I gonna say, it's gotta been Timothy Chamlay. But but
Speaker 1: sometimes you see you're gonna go. Yeah, I can see
Speaker 1: why Jeff Bridges has become not just a star, but
Speaker 1: I like and that, like, you know, like such a
Speaker 1: brilliant actor, you know, like he's there's something he's he's
Speaker 1: got that charisma, he's got something there. They're both really
Speaker 1: good actors, but Jeff Bridges has got something that kind
Speaker 1: of just bursts through.
Speaker 2: It's true he's a movie star, whatever that thing is. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's a movie star, you know. And for me, probably
Speaker 2: the most powerful scene, the one that stayed with me,
Speaker 2: is that, you know, because of course he's with the
Speaker 2: cutter school at school and everyone, you know, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: they're the sort of the it couple. And but she's
Speaker 2: being a bit cagy about giving him her virginity, and
Speaker 2: it's going on and on and you know, for a while,
Speaker 2: and eventually she says, I'll let you take my virginity.
Speaker 2: And meanwhile she's sort of she's playing check chess. Well
Speaker 2: he's playing checks, you know, because she wants to eventually go,
Speaker 2: as you say, to this richer guy, and he won't
Speaker 2: touch unless she loses her virginity. So she's like, I know,
Speaker 2: exactly who to lose my marginity too, Jeff Bridges. And
Speaker 2: they finally get into this motel room and he can't
Speaker 2: get it up. He can't. It's pressures all too much,
Speaker 2: and it's a really sad but totally human and normal,
Speaker 2: totally normal normal. It's normal. I don't know what you've heard,
Speaker 2: but it's very normal.
Speaker 1: Can I just point out there as directed our dysfunction
Speaker 1: adds that I'm on Facebook are a hoax, so your
Speaker 1: doctors please.
Speaker 2: Nasal delivery technology. It doesn't work, but you know, she
Speaker 2: keeps saying what's wrong, and he keeps saying, I don't know. Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: he just doesn't know. He doesn't he's confused, and he's like, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know, and he doesn't say it, says it like
Speaker 1: four times. It's almost all he says, which I think,
Speaker 1: so just.
Speaker 2: Repeats it, and his look on his face is pretty minimal.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's you know, his acting is really underplayed,
Speaker 2: and he's like, I just don't know. And then and
Speaker 2: then there's this great moment after that where they're singing
Speaker 2: in a choir at school and he chooses that moment
Speaker 2: to turn to give me another shot. I could do it.
Speaker 2: I know I can do it.
Speaker 1: You know, let's there's also, of course, sandal Line played
Speaker 1: by Ben Johnson, who I mentioned earlier, won the Oscar
Speaker 1: nine minutes fifty four seconds of screen time well used.
Speaker 1: He the role was off of the Jimmy Stewart. Initially
Speaker 1: he loved it, but was feeling something else so had
Speaker 1: to pass on it. Ben Johnson almost didn't take it
Speaker 1: up because he thought that there was too many woods
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah, he was famously Uh, John Wayne's coming
Speaker 1: off on his sidekick, and somebody, somebody said to him
Speaker 1: that this could be you know, you're gonna be John
Speaker 1: Wayne's psychic forever. Why don't you step out of the
Speaker 1: shadows a bit? And he takes a job on nabs
Speaker 1: the oscar and he, uh, this is him uh defending Billy.
Speaker 10: Which one of you blooded his nose. I've told you
Speaker 10: all not to fight with Billy because he don't understand
Speaker 10: about the fight. What happens, Sonny.
Speaker 8: There weren't none of us saying no, it was Jimmy Sue.
Speaker 10: Jimmy Sue, how do you get messed up with her?
Speaker 8: We all chipped in, bought in peace. Ass thought he
Speaker 8: was getting tired of being a virgin. She got mad
Speaker 8: about something and blooded his nose.
Speaker 10: You boys can get on out of here. I don't
Speaker 10: want to have no more to do with you scaring
Speaker 10: up poor unfortunate creature like Billy, just so as you
Speaker 10: could have a few laughs. I've been around that trashy
Speaker 10: behavior all my life. I'm getting tired of putting.
Speaker 8: Up with it.
Speaker 10: You can stay out of this pool, all out of
Speaker 10: my cafe and my picture show too. I don't want
Speaker 10: no more of your business.
Speaker 2: We didn't mean for anything bad to happen. Saying we.
Speaker 10: Didn't even have the decency to wash his face.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can actually imagine he's a very Jimmy Stewart.
Speaker 1: He's got the best moral compass I think in the film.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you didn't even have the decency to wash
Speaker 2: his face.
Speaker 3: There we go, Here we got.
Speaker 2: That's that's why Jimmy store depression. Which one have you
Speaker 2: do this to? Billy? I said it before, I said
Speaker 2: it again. None of that would have happened if they
Speaker 2: just fucked.
Speaker 8: All right.
Speaker 1: I was starting to get past that. This made the
Speaker 1: cow fucking movie for you. But we're still okay. There's
Speaker 1: still some work to be done.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Sorry, always no, and.
Speaker 1: Then samd the line gives it and it's probably like
Speaker 1: you said with with Ruth when she gives the amazing
Speaker 1: speech that wins Chlorus the Oscar ben Jonson has a
Speaker 1: speech on the river and he talks about, yeah, this
Speaker 1: the wild girl who he took and you know, and
Speaker 1: it had fun and they swam and they did crazy
Speaker 1: stuff to down by the river, who we later find
Speaker 1: out to be Lois. Lois says something and again another
Speaker 1: just amazing, amazing line, and she says something like this
Speaker 1: the sonny she's in regards to Sam and she was
Speaker 1: the girl down by the river. How sad it is
Speaker 1: that she's only met one person who has seen worth
Speaker 1: in her? And it's it's really this, this woman who
Speaker 1: has is crying out for love. She's not getting it
Speaker 1: from her husband and she's having, you know, various affairs
Speaker 1: on the side. And Sam is send the Lion who
Speaker 1: she gave that nickname to. She was maybe the one
Speaker 1: person she had a connection with this small town. But
Speaker 1: for whatever reason that that relationship couldn't actually prevail.
Speaker 2: And do you remember there's that moment in that scene
Speaker 2: where that you're talking about with her in the car
Speaker 2: and at the end of it again, it just seems
Speaker 2: to speak to this small town thing where everyone's fucking everywhere.
Speaker 2: There's this sort of look between Sonny and Lois. Well,
Speaker 2: you go, wait, are they gonna are they going to yes? No? No,
Speaker 2: because Lois goes no, you know what, I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: go home exactly whoa whoa No.
Speaker 1: I know, like, there are these choices that have seen
Speaker 1: way more progressed. And you know, I film made in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two, based in nineteen fifty one, it's that
Speaker 1: that was an incredible moment like that. I find the
Speaker 1: relationship the Allen Burston and j C characters really fascinating,
Speaker 1: and not just and.
Speaker 2: Even Genevieve, the way the waitress she was kind of
Speaker 2: maybe there was a bit of sexual chemistry there going
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh god, this whole town is so weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the look she gives jay Z when
Speaker 1: you know she arrives yeah outside, Yeah, really some fuck
Speaker 1: you energy.
Speaker 2: There's that. You've mentioned that Ben Johnson, who I actually
Speaker 2: didn't know him as an actor at all, but you know,
Speaker 2: Niman is the screen time. I would be so curious
Speaker 2: to know what the shortest amount of screen time is
Speaker 2: for an OSCAR winner. I bet you you know who
Speaker 2: I bet you was up there. I have not looked
Speaker 2: this up, and I'll be curious time. I bet you
Speaker 2: Judy Densher's up there for Shakespeare in Love. I remember
Speaker 2: her hardly being in that movie.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think you might be right.
Speaker 1: I know when this was given, and up until recently
Speaker 1: this was the shortest of maybe male supporting actor.
Speaker 3: I didn't mean to look up.
Speaker 1: If that record still holds again, get onto us at
Speaker 1: gmail dot com, dot au or on the part that
Speaker 1: let us know the shortest amount of screen time for
Speaker 1: a OSCAR, whether it be lead or supporting. We'd love
Speaker 1: to know that. But that's it's it's it's time certainly
Speaker 1: well spent. It's I remember.
Speaker 2: Just another bit of movie trivia for you that I
Speaker 2: remember is in Fargo Can'd Brothers Fargo, of course, where
Speaker 2: Fress Dorman ends up winning Best Actress Rifle. But she
Speaker 2: was on screen less, you know, for a fewer amount
Speaker 2: of amount of minutes than William H. Macon, who was
Speaker 2: nominated for supporting right so so so he was nominated
Speaker 2: for supporting her for Lead Actress, but he was on
Speaker 2: screen for longer, which I thought was an interesting little
Speaker 2: bit of trivia for for Fargo.
Speaker 1: That's that is, and you think about it because it
Speaker 1: is such an ensemble that film.
Speaker 3: But you because you've got mashimi.
Speaker 1: Of course, and yeah, yeah, it's so they boys go
Speaker 1: to Mexico, they bust out, they finally go to Mexico.
Speaker 1: It's a very weird thing because they basically they go
Speaker 1: and then it cuts This is like they ain't they
Speaker 1: ain't fuck around. They go all happy and we go, okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna see some Mexican drinking scenes here,
Speaker 1: and then it cuts to them returning basically wearing sombreros.
Speaker 1: That was you know, they've been the Mexico they hung over.
Speaker 2: So I thought the sombreros were a little heavy handed.
Speaker 1: He's saying a sombrero with Mexico embroidered, and it was
Speaker 1: a bit heavy handed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, look, you know sometimes the show don't say
Speaker 2: but yeah, you're right. And add to that, of course,
Speaker 2: the huge news that they return to is the death
Speaker 2: of San du Lion, and again an interesting film choice
Speaker 2: to not show it. You know, one of the lead characters.
Speaker 2: We you know, normally you'd sort of I think you'd
Speaker 2: show the death. You'd have producers down your ear going, no,
Speaker 2: we've got to see the death of sand the Lion.
Speaker 2: He's a big character. We're gonna make sure we, you know,
Speaker 2: pull on the heartstrings, show him dying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we don't see We don't see jay c leaving town.
Speaker 1: We see her father kind of taking her away and
Speaker 1: you know, saying this wedding is not happening, but we
Speaker 1: don't see her. You know, you could have easily written,
Speaker 1: you know, a scene where Sonny witnesses her leaving, or
Speaker 1: she actually lets him know she's leaving, or he finds out,
Speaker 1: but he just at one point he just knows that
Speaker 1: she's gone to Kansas, like it's not and it's it's funny,
Speaker 1: It's okay. You're a filmmaker, Josh. This is this is
Speaker 1: what's interesting about this film. I think this is a
Speaker 1: film that's largely about boredom. Right, how does he make it?
Speaker 1: And obviously you're and I've said, I said, off the
Speaker 1: one of these podcasts, you just saw this film last night.
Speaker 3: You are still processing.
Speaker 1: Often I've had people come on and they kind of
Speaker 1: after a discussion, they go, actually, I might chick it
Speaker 1: out again and maybe I like a little bit more.
Speaker 1: I know with Nyale and I that happened for Limo
Speaker 1: and myself. But how does Bugdanovitch make this film work? Like,
Speaker 1: how do you how do you represent boredom without at
Speaker 1: being boring?
Speaker 2: That's a really good question, you know. They they say
Speaker 2: that good books make bad movies, bad books make good movies.
Speaker 2: And what they're saying really is that a bad book
Speaker 2: quote unquote is plot driven. You know, Airport sort of
Speaker 2: novel like that, you know, the DaVinci code or fifty
Speaker 2: Shades of Grant that. You know, the purists would say
Speaker 2: that's a bad book, right, but it's a great movie
Speaker 2: because it's plot and plot. But a good book is
Speaker 2: what I expect something like this book was Last Picture
Speaker 2: Show by mcmurchentry is this sort of you know, patience
Speaker 2: examination of a town and its people and psychology and
Speaker 2: you know, and in a book, in a novel, you
Speaker 2: have time to explore those sorts of things. And often
Speaker 2: that doesn't quite translate to film because we're wanting something
Speaker 2: a little more exciting than that. But you bring up
Speaker 2: a good point because somehow it worked for this now,
Speaker 2: certainly at the time, it worked in a major way.
Speaker 2: I mean, critics and audiences alike just fell over backwards
Speaker 2: for this movie. Yeah, what was it? I mean, I
Speaker 2: think I think it is. There is something really exciting
Speaker 2: sexually about the film. I do think that. I think
Speaker 2: in the seventies, for sure, there was there was a
Speaker 2: lot of that going on. But this movie, you know,
Speaker 2: with high schoolers and puberty and sexuality, there is something
Speaker 2: pretty exciting about that. I think, probably more so even
Speaker 2: at that time. I mean, you'll get more explicit things
Speaker 2: on in any given TikTok now, but you know, back then,
Speaker 2: I think that would have been pretty riveting. You know,
Speaker 2: skinny dipping and a young high school girl sleeping with
Speaker 2: an older guy and all those sorts of things, you know,
Speaker 2: and a young high school boy sleeping with an older
Speaker 2: woman and those sorts of things. I feel like that's
Speaker 2: part of it. But you know, as you say, talk about,
Speaker 2: you know, highlighting the you know how boring this town is.
Speaker 2: It almost opens with Billy, the simple minded kid, sweeping
Speaker 2: the street. They're sweeping the dust off the street and
Speaker 2: there's no one around. It's just him just sort of
Speaker 2: sweeping the dust on the road, and you're like boy
Speaker 2: is that is that what's going on in this town
Speaker 2: has anything else to do here?
Speaker 1: And what should we fas what should be fascinating is
Speaker 1: when he actually he gets killed by a bunch of
Speaker 1: men who have clearly not done us. In John's ambulance,
Speaker 1: of course there is there seemed to be no effort
Speaker 1: to in fact, and you know, one of them says, well,
Speaker 1: I have had breakfast, yet I'm going to go have some. Seriously,
Speaker 1: it is like the care factory is fucking zero. But
Speaker 1: they also say, why was he out here cleaning sweeping
Speaker 1: the street anyway? And it's like the first shot, you're right,
Speaker 1: one of the first shots we see him. So he's
Speaker 1: always doing this, that's his thing, and this in this
Speaker 1: small town where there's only a handful of people, they
Speaker 1: still have not noticed this kid who's been there sweeping
Speaker 1: the street all these years.
Speaker 2: Is yeah, yeah, you know, it's a you know, I
Speaker 2: think you're right. I think on second, third watch, you'd
Speaker 2: really uncover a lot. There's a lot going on in
Speaker 2: this movie if you care to see it. As you know,
Speaker 2: even as you mentioned that, I hadn't really focused on
Speaker 2: that in the first year, but there's a lot going on.
Speaker 2: There's also that bizarre little moment, little chapter of one
Speaker 2: of the high school boys or former high school boys
Speaker 2: who ab ducts.
Speaker 3: A little girl, Molly. Yeah, little Molly.
Speaker 2: I mean that's sort of not in it much. But
Speaker 2: there's a strange moment where he abducts her and they
Speaker 2: find her in a parked car and Sonny keeps saying,
Speaker 2: he says, this again, really odd because no, he didn't
Speaker 2: do nothing. He didn't do nothing. He just got her
Speaker 2: to take her underpants off. And I'm like, well, hold on, no,
Speaker 2: that's not nothing.
Speaker 3: Yeahs yes, what.
Speaker 1: I think there's something like he wasn't brave enough to
Speaker 1: do something, or he was too scared to do something,
Speaker 1: which yeah, I think we know that. He means he's like,
Speaker 1: he's obviously a troubled youth. And then they're thinking he's
Speaker 1: got no sun.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So it's it's it's it's it comes out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: It really does, and then it disappears again. It's sort
Speaker 2: of over before it begins, And you know this, I
Speaker 2: wonder how much of the book did not make it
Speaker 2: into the film. I'd be curious to know if there
Speaker 2: are other little chapters like that that just there were
Speaker 2: there wasn't time.
Speaker 1: It's funny because the football team really doesn't play a part,
Speaker 1: considering the first couple of minutes, which I kind of
Speaker 1: thought was funny, like the pounding of how bad this
Speaker 1: team was? Can you tackle? Can you please take? Like
Speaker 1: after like the third or fourth one, you've had a laugh.
Speaker 1: You're on a guy Karek, and I reckon that they've
Speaker 1: probably done it with the tackling and the town people
Speaker 1: you know, standing over them, and then there's they go again,
Speaker 1: and they go again, and there's a guy in the
Speaker 1: tooth thing that looks at them and there walks away
Speaker 1: like but then there's not really much talk of the
Speaker 1: football team really considering they've invested a fair bit in that,
Speaker 1: you know, of setting up that this football team means
Speaker 1: a lot to this town. You know, there's a shot
Speaker 1: of them towards the back end when I think Dwayne
Speaker 1: comes back and Sonny's at the football, but there's yeah,
Speaker 1: thats just it's almost a location more than it is
Speaker 1: about about any kind of football related story.
Speaker 2: The other thing that kind of it might be worth
Speaker 2: mentioning is that Sam the Lion seems to be you know,
Speaker 2: the heavy hitter a business owner in the town. He
Speaker 2: owns the diner, the same the pool hall, and the
Speaker 2: picture show and the theater, the movie theater, and when
Speaker 2: he dies, he gives the movie theater to miss Mosley
Speaker 2: I think he works there, yep. And he gives the
Speaker 2: diner to Genevieve, the waitress there, and she owns it now.
Speaker 2: And then gives the pool hall to Sonny, who from
Speaker 2: recordar I mean who I think is seventeen years old or.
Speaker 3: Something like yeah, yeah, now, so he's not the.
Speaker 2: Owner of a pool hall at seventeen. I was like, dude,
Speaker 2: that's that's a big responsibility.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you cannot even drink alcohol for another four years,
Speaker 1: but yeah, good luck, good luck with that. One of
Speaker 1: the nice little fact is that the movie they see
Speaker 1: even like sorry, even when Dwayne comes back in, they
Speaker 1: have the fight, which is I quite I quite enjoy
Speaker 1: that scene.
Speaker 3: I mean that the.
Speaker 1: Hit to the bottle, hit to the head was like
Speaker 1: occasionally the movie is clunky, which is this occasion there
Speaker 1: are like shots where you kind of go that shot.
Speaker 2: Was the clunkiest. Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a glass bottle,
Speaker 2: be a bottle to get smashed in Sonny's eye. Yes,
Speaker 2: I of all places. But yes, the shot of it
Speaker 2: is a bit it's a bit uneven. You know, when
Speaker 2: it cuts to it, it's you know, you sort of
Speaker 2: go oh, that doesn't fit really, Yes, it's an unusual shot.
Speaker 1: The motion, the motion doesn't quite add up. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: then in fact, let's have it. I think we can
Speaker 1: have a listen to that. That just that scene. This
Speaker 1: is uh Dwyane and Sonny going out of.
Speaker 8: Sure, I've been going with her.
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 13: I said, I don't blame you for it. I don't
Speaker 13: blame you much. I thought you'd do me that way.
Speaker 13: I thought we were still best friends.
Speaker 8: We are what you're so mad for. I've never done
Speaker 8: that to you.
Speaker 13: I get screwing my girl ain't nothing to you.
Speaker 11: Screwing her?
Speaker 13: Hell, you ain't pla ain't.
Speaker 8: She's not your girl, and she is not girl.
Speaker 2: I don't care.
Speaker 3: We didn't break up.
Speaker 8: I didn't make a way.
Speaker 13: Don't make no difference. I always live here. I'm getting
Speaker 13: her back. I'm telling you right now, she's gonna marry
Speaker 13: me one of these days, when I get a little
Speaker 13: bit more money.
Speaker 2: I'm married. Sure she will.
Speaker 13: We always meant to get married.
Speaker 8: She's going off to college. Soon. I doubt I'll ever
Speaker 8: get to go with her again myself when she gets old. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I never saw what I could hurt to go with
Speaker 8: her this summer though.
Speaker 3: She's never gonna Mary.
Speaker 2: She is back.
Speaker 13: I don't you tell me she won't. She never lets
Speaker 13: you screw her, that's for sure. Hell, I'll just seeing
Speaker 13: how honest you was, Jesse. He never lets you screw you.
Speaker 13: Ain't that good a cocksman? You never even screwed Charlne
Speaker 13: Dugs all that time.
Speaker 11: You went with her.
Speaker 8: Of course I didn't you know why, because you had
Speaker 8: to pick up all time Saturday night.
Speaker 13: That's why nobody could have screwed it. Might have had
Speaker 13: a screwed her in five minutes. I wouldn't even need
Speaker 13: no pickup.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, Well, the only reason she went with you
Speaker 8: as long as she did was because she was in
Speaker 8: the backfield. And that was in the goddamn line.
Speaker 13: What you're talking about me?
Speaker 2: And that was in love?
Speaker 11: Oh you was?
Speaker 8: She liked me just much share like you.
Speaker 10: That's a lie.
Speaker 8: I'll stay here all night one of these nights too.
Speaker 8: She done promised you won't either, That's why, Well, why
Speaker 8: shouldn't I? She done told me you couldn't even do
Speaker 8: it at that time. What's you tall falls?
Speaker 3: What about a yeah, it's it goes from this.
Speaker 1: Even the blows to the stomach were a bit yeah,
Speaker 1: a bit forced.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no, for anyone who hasn't seen the film
Speaker 2: and just listening to the yes, those moans were blows
Speaker 2: that they didn't start making out, you couldn't. It did
Speaker 2: sound like heavy petting there they started fighting, but yeah,
Speaker 2: uh it's yes. Just listening to that, Timothy bottoms again.
Speaker 2: He remains pretty calm for that. For most of the fight.
Speaker 2: He was like, I don't think I didn't see it was.
Speaker 2: I don't know why you get some upset about it.
Speaker 2: You don't even live here, you know. But it's it's
Speaker 2: a good scene.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Have you been to a pool party recently? Have you been?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 2: No, they they won't let me in anymore. I've been
Speaker 2: banned from all poor parties. Yeah no, I think I
Speaker 2: know what you're referring to. This this poor party that jac.
Speaker 3: Goes to and Wichita, Wichita.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Randy Quaid takes her to this pool party where the
Speaker 1: initiation is to get undressed on the diving board with
Speaker 1: the creepy little brother with the goggles.
Speaker 3: Underneath. And yeah, I imagine.
Speaker 1: That scene in particular was quite a titillating and shocking
Speaker 1: one making nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 2: But you know the use of silence in that as well,
Speaker 2: like my score, which she's just on the she's just
Speaker 2: on the board of the diving board, looking down. All
Speaker 2: the faces takes their time. I mean that seems that
Speaker 2: her undressing goes for quite a while. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 2: really awkward, gross and creepy, you know, everyone looking at
Speaker 2: her and stuff, but just silence, this said, utter silence.
Speaker 2: I found it so uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Also, there's a scene where Sonny and Ruth actually have
Speaker 1: sex for the first time and they are undressed, and
Speaker 1: it's really awkward, like like he's getting his cowboy bats,
Speaker 1: but she's actually also having trouble getting her Like it's
Speaker 1: a couple of seconds of her wrestling with her address dress.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those sorts of things. You know, it's there's such
Speaker 2: good moments. I do feel like film might have become
Speaker 2: too slick, you know, like this idea that we have
Speaker 2: to make everything so perfect. You know, I if you
Speaker 2: rewatch all the Presidents man again and you know, it
Speaker 2: might be a good one to do on the show.
Speaker 2: But they it's very clearly fuck up lines in it.
Speaker 2: Hoffman and Redford, like they mess up lines. It stays
Speaker 2: in the movie. Yeah, I promise you can notice it.
Speaker 2: The director is obviously I can't even remember the director is.
Speaker 2: The director's like people think up in life. It stays.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they mess up.
Speaker 2: They even laugh at their own lines and stuff, and
Speaker 2: those that sort of messiness is going from movies. You
Speaker 2: don't see it nearly as much anymore. Everything's so clean.
Speaker 1: But the confidence of the director to take their time
Speaker 1: with a moment like the temptation to get them those
Speaker 1: two characters into bad for that for that moment must
Speaker 1: be pretty attempting. But to have this the awkwardness and
Speaker 1: you feel it and it plays out, I mean, I've spoken.
Speaker 1: The scene I keep coming back to is The Godfather
Speaker 1: Part two, when the assassination scene and they they go,
Speaker 1: you go in there and you wait for the cupola
Speaker 1: makes us wait for the waiter to pour three glasses
Speaker 1: of wine, you know, and there's there's lots of you know,
Speaker 1: there's reasons why you don't need to see the waiter
Speaker 1: pour the wine. We're not interested in, you know, how
Speaker 1: much wine? Issy? Are they all three leveled bottles? Glasses
Speaker 1: of wine. It's not about that, obviously, It's about us
Speaker 1: knowing what's about to happen and what must be going
Speaker 1: through Michael's head and the sit in that, in that
Speaker 1: tension is what I think great filmmaking is about.
Speaker 2: But Pete, I got to say, I reckon that these days,
Speaker 2: to film stuff like that, you have to be a
Speaker 2: famous director, because I promise you would have a million
Speaker 2: executives going boring. Get to the assassination, yeah, and you'll
Speaker 2: be like, oh no, I really want to, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: really want to. You nobody you do what we say.
Speaker 2: It's our money. Fuck you get to the you.
Speaker 3: Know, that's why that stuff.
Speaker 2: So, yes, if you're Tarantino or Scorsese or whoever else,
Speaker 2: you can get away with it, and you can do
Speaker 2: that stuff because you call the shots. But if you
Speaker 2: are not at that level, if you're not a prestige
Speaker 2: director like that, you would get a lot of pushback.
Speaker 2: Do it these days, yeah, because you get a lot
Speaker 2: of people go, hey, let's get to it. People are bored.
Speaker 2: We've got two thousand shows dropping on Netflix on Friday.
Speaker 2: So if you want to compete. You're going to be
Speaker 2: interesting every second of the you know, you won't let
Speaker 2: us show breathe as much anymore.
Speaker 3: It is scary to think how algorisrhythms.
Speaker 1: We've seen it with music, and they know all the
Speaker 1: algorithms for what you need on the Spotify to you know,
Speaker 1: get your streams, and and you can see it happening
Speaker 1: with movies and television a lot more too.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Well, let's not forget that Netflix is a tech company.
Speaker 2: It now masquerades as a you know, a theatrical release
Speaker 2: at a TV station, and you know, but it is
Speaker 2: at its heart a Silicon Valley tech company. It always
Speaker 2: will be, and so of course it's going to be
Speaker 2: run by algorithms and stuff. And that's that, as you say,
Speaker 2: a dangerous element for art, because I'm not quite sure
Speaker 2: you could boil down art two algorithms. Yeah, as much
Speaker 2: as they want that to be true, I still think
Speaker 2: there are outliers and you know, artists who allbut trans
Speaker 2: and change minds and you know all the time, and
Speaker 2: so well, yeah, I'm critical of you know, streamers like
Speaker 2: that because I feel like it is Yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: know if movies are generally getting better I'm not sure
Speaker 2: they're getting longer. Have you noticed it's getting longer now
Speaker 2: there is going on there.
Speaker 1: There's a few with the Oscar season where everything seemed
Speaker 1: to be two and a half hours. And I like,
Speaker 1: to be honest, the cinema is my happy place. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm happy to be in there. But when all of
Speaker 1: them seemed to be that long, it's like, ah, they don't.
Speaker 3: All need to be that long, to be honest.
Speaker 2: But I remember, you know again, Mark Twain said, I'd
Speaker 2: have written you a shorter letter if I had more time.
Speaker 2: It is harder to be brief. Brevity is the soul
Speaker 2: of wet, said mister Shakespeare. It is tough to cut,
Speaker 2: you know. I remember there was a you know, a
Speaker 2: fix Spike Jones had done her you know, and one
Speaker 2: of my faves, and he couldn't cut it down. He
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, this thing is so long,
Speaker 2: but I don't know what to cut. It's everything in
Speaker 2: there is is necessary. And I think he gave it
Speaker 2: to his friend Sodaberg and Soderberg where gave it back
Speaker 2: to it after the weekend and cut an hour out
Speaker 2: of it and went, no, not everything is necessary. You're
Speaker 2: just too close to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, and he cut it.
Speaker 2: Down to ninety minutes or something and it was a
Speaker 2: much much better film.
Speaker 1: Kill you darlings, mate, there's there's a fast facts. We
Speaker 1: love a fun fact here before we let you go.
Speaker 1: Sybil Shepherd had an option in the contract to back
Speaker 1: out of any of the nude scenes if she felt
Speaker 1: uncomfortable beforehand. Not just in the moment. We have intimacy
Speaker 1: advisors on sets now, but even beforehand she could have
Speaker 1: actually newwd any ideas of the nude scenes. And she
Speaker 1: but she asked the opinion of the three actresses on set,
Speaker 1: which was Chloris Leachman, Alan Burston and Eileen Brennan, and
Speaker 1: they encouraged her to do it.
Speaker 2: So interesting, very interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And now, so, as you mentioned earlier, Sibil Shepherd and
Speaker 2: Bogdanovich of course.
Speaker 3: Ignited on this set.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Bogdanovitch was is married with kids to this the art designer,
Speaker 1: I think one of the prop designers, Polyplatt, and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: ruined the marriage obviously, and I think they stayed together
Speaker 1: for a long time. Sibil Shepherd and bogged Down they did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and no bad blood. I mean Sybil my understanding.
Speaker 2: Civil Shepherds always been spoken very very highly of Bogdanovitch.
Speaker 2: So when they were were however that relationship ended. I
Speaker 2: think it ended very.
Speaker 1: Amicably, to the point where I think when she had
Speaker 1: a sitcom Sybil, he actually appeared in it.
Speaker 2: All right, so they were still friends.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but then but.
Speaker 2: Then you know, hold on, maybe I'm getting ahead of
Speaker 2: you on the fast facts thing. But Bogdanovich is bizarre girlfriend.
Speaker 2: Later on, do you know about this story?
Speaker 3: Was this one?
Speaker 2: So he is with I can't remember her name, he's
Speaker 2: got he's madly in love with this woman, this model,
Speaker 2: and she gets murdered by her ex boyfriend, who then
Speaker 2: kills himself. It is murder suicide, so very scandalous thing
Speaker 2: that you know Bogdanovich ends up being involved in. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's you know, has she has a very you know,
Speaker 2: possessive ex boyfriend. He comes down from Canada to a
Speaker 2: place in Los Angeles, murders her, kills himself, and bongd
Speaker 2: down of it just broken, absolutely flattens it. Yeah, as
Speaker 2: you can imagine that step, really that would ruin your week.
Speaker 1: The music in the in the is all basically popular music,
Speaker 1: and it was one of the first movies to do this,
Speaker 1: and it's all done. I think you might even know
Speaker 1: a term for it, Josh kind of escapes from my mind.
Speaker 1: But it's all basically played through things that are actually
Speaker 1: on the set.
Speaker 3: So a record.
Speaker 2: Music, Yeah, that's right, so practical meaning in situe a film. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so Tarantino famously does that. Only uses soundtrack, not score.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure if you've gotten that right. I don't
Speaker 2: think he scores this film. He only users pre published
Speaker 2: pre record of music. But yeah, it's all and not
Speaker 2: just music, as you said. You know, some of the
Speaker 2: soundtrack is television movies, even a Christian radio like preachers
Speaker 2: sort of preaching. You hear that kind of drone of
Speaker 2: a preacher in the background and stuff in this little
Speaker 2: not you know, Texas town. It's a it's a pretty
Speaker 2: effective soundtrack, I have to say. And the other thing
Speaker 2: I think that is unusual is he'll often repeat the
Speaker 2: same song over and over again.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think is pretty common on radio at the time,
Speaker 2: but I don't think it would happen very often. You'd
Speaker 2: be like, oh, no, we've heard that one before, but
Speaker 2: he's like, no, it's it's it's it's all happening within
Speaker 2: the space of a year. This is a popular song.
Speaker 2: It would be on repeat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely in the movie house.
Speaker 1: The last BITCHU I see is red River with John
Speaker 1: Wayne and actually has look that up. It has Ben Johnson.
Speaker 1: He's actually in that film. He's on the scrouting catch
Speaker 1: whoels eviels on the screen in that scenes, in those scenes.
Speaker 3: But there was a sequel. I much if you were aware.
Speaker 2: I heard about this, have not seen it called Texas
Speaker 2: Film Texasville.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't know much about it. Civil Shepherd,
Speaker 3: I know is in it.
Speaker 2: Jeff Bridge. I definitely they're all in. I thin Timothy
Speaker 2: Bondomy imagine.
Speaker 1: I imagine they don't do it without, you know, the
Speaker 1: majority of casts getting back for it. So fascinating stuff, mate.
Speaker 1: I bailed you up at the green room a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago at what I like to you is
Speaker 1: great to see you, mate. You are killing it, by
Speaker 1: the way. I know you've done it a while ago.
Speaker 1: But Superstar has just found this amazing new audience it
Speaker 1: seems on Netflix. Im it's become huge in our house
Speaker 1: over the last bobby eighteen months or so. Are you
Speaker 1: finding that that that's that's kind of totally very surprising.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. It was during the pandemic, and you know,
Speaker 2: the timing was good, and it had you know, transitioned
Speaker 2: off its network in the States and found Netflix and
Speaker 2: then as everyone was desperate for content during the pandemic lockdowns. Yes,
Speaker 2: Superstar had the Second Life. And so now I've found
Speaker 2: it's probably one of the things that people recognized me
Speaker 2: the most from, which is you know, surprising because I
Speaker 2: just did a few episodes, you know, about ten episodes
Speaker 2: or something that began as a favor for a friend
Speaker 2: who was one of the producers on it. We just hey,
Speaker 2: do you mind doing one episode of this thing? And
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, of course, whatever, happy to help
Speaker 2: out and did it. And they sort of discovered that
Speaker 2: this character was you know, deliciously unlikable and u and
Speaker 2: they had the writers had a lot of fun writing
Speaker 2: for him, and yeah, he came back time and time again,
Speaker 2: and uh uh. And so it's a it's a really
Speaker 2: funny show.
Speaker 3: I mean it's really it's really sharp.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know why, because it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's the pedigree is really good. Like, you know, there's
Speaker 1: people who made the Office and and and like that.
Speaker 1: So it's it's and it's really sharp, it's really got.
Speaker 1: It's a social commentary in there. But it's funny, there's
Speaker 1: hilarious characters, the performances are all great. It's a it's
Speaker 1: a cracker. And the other one, which I must say,
Speaker 1: I haven't got around to watching it. I'm embarrassed that say,
Speaker 1: because I've had so many people say that I would
Speaker 1: love it and I need to watch it, is Cobra Kai.
Speaker 1: Being a big fan of the Karate Kid growing up.
Speaker 1: We actually covered the Karate Kid with Wendy Harmer on
Speaker 1: this podcast. What a bizarre kind of yeah surprise success.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, so I was a die hard Karate Kid
Speaker 2: fan as a kid, and that's one of my other
Speaker 2: you know, classic films that just was were with me,
Speaker 2: you know, as a kid, and shaped my other film.
Speaker 2: And so when these really talented guys Hayden and Josh
Speaker 2: and John I think I've got those names, sorry if
Speaker 2: I blank on them.
Speaker 3: They're great guys, They are listening.
Speaker 2: They are big fans in America. I know it plays
Speaker 2: over there, and they they had, you know, always wondered, oh,
Speaker 2: whatever happened to the bully? Whatever happened to Johnny Lawrence,
Speaker 2: you know, and YouTube Read was a streamer at the
Speaker 2: time and that's now defunct, and they started Cobra Kai there.
Speaker 2: But as a fan of Karate Kid, I was keenly
Speaker 2: aware of this new show, Cobra Kai coming out, so
Speaker 2: I was a fan when it was back on YouTube Red.
Speaker 2: Cut to years later. I'm I'm doing like a general
Speaker 2: meeting with those guys, and we're talking about, you know,
Speaker 2: collaborating on some new TV stuff, and I write a
Speaker 2: pilot for them and it doesn't go anywhere, but we
Speaker 2: have a great time doing it. And then yeah, they
Speaker 2: called me one day and said, hey, listen, we wrote
Speaker 2: your a small cameo in one of the episodes in
Speaker 2: season five. Do you want to fly to Puerto Rico
Speaker 2: and do it? You? You had me, do you want
Speaker 2: to be in Cobra Kai? I was in. It was
Speaker 2: a lot of fun. But yeah, very quick little appearance.
Speaker 1: And do you have and do you have? I know
Speaker 1: you've always got stuff up your sleeve. You've written and
Speaker 1: directed The Little Death and Long Story Short and great
Speaker 1: great films.
Speaker 3: Check them out if you haven't seen them. But what's
Speaker 3: what's next?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a couple of things that in the pipeline
Speaker 2: that you know, probably too early to talk about as
Speaker 2: you well know these things, but you know, look so
Speaker 2: promising developments on them on the feature front. And a
Speaker 2: couple of things again I can't quite say at the moment,
Speaker 2: partly because I'm scorted a secrecy, partly because they're not
Speaker 2: even official yet. I could fall through at any moment,
Speaker 2: but not nothing, I mean, certainly doing it. This year
Speaker 2: was a big writing year. It was a big year
Speaker 2: of just start stock filing scripts, you know, get content
Speaker 2: because you know what, the wheels turn so slowly in
Speaker 2: this industry, so you know, if it moves quickly from
Speaker 2: script to screen, it might be five years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be quick.
Speaker 2: So you know, this was just about get those scripts
Speaker 2: in place so that as the wheels turn over the
Speaker 2: next few years, you've got you know, there's stuff going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, mate, Like I said, I'll say it again.
Speaker 1: You were accosted, you were defenseless, you had no choice.
Speaker 1: You said no fourteen times, I think because I wrote
Speaker 1: down every single time.
Speaker 2: I was wondering what you're doing with the pen and pad.
Speaker 3: I admire you so much.
Speaker 1: You exist in this thing like this this.
Speaker 3: I don't know where you even came from.
Speaker 1: I just saw you on TV once doing Thank God
Speaker 1: You're here, and I thought, fuck, that guy's hilarious, not
Speaker 1: only hilarious, and I've got to meet you annuably generous
Speaker 1: and fun and funny. And I love I love watching
Speaker 1: your career unfold, and as it continues to unfold, hopefully
Speaker 1: you'll come back again one day and have a chat.
Speaker 2: Well, Pete, the Philly is very mutual. I've loved every
Speaker 2: second of it. And you know, chatting with a friend
Speaker 2: about movies is my favorite thing in the world. So
Speaker 2: it's any time, anytime you want me back. My list
Speaker 2: remains long of classic films, and so if you're short
Speaker 2: on guests, you just give me a call.
Speaker 3: What do you want tomorrow?
Speaker 2: Busy?
Speaker 11: Busy?
Speaker 3: Actually I know how it works.
Speaker 2: I'm going through a tunnel.
Speaker 11: Thanks legend.
Speaker 3: That was fun. Thank you so much. The Josh Lawson.
Speaker 1: He is a busy man. And basically I had him
Speaker 1: up against a wall in the green room at What
Speaker 1: I Lie to You, and he came through for me
Speaker 1: and Love the Discussion. Love the Discussion made his three
Speaker 1: favorite films, three blockbusters, and also, of course the Last
Speaker 1: Picture show, and I've got a feeling he maybe by
Speaker 1: the end of that discussion like that movie even more
Speaker 1: than when we started.
Speaker 3: I just got a hunch. And funnily enough, not long after.
Speaker 1: We recorded the episode, in fact, literally an hour later,
Speaker 1: I received this message on my phone from Josh Jesus
Speaker 1: Christ Pete.
Speaker 2: Looks like they fucking toned it down for the film.
Speaker 2: The film they just talk about fucking. I guess in
Speaker 2: the book they actually fuck a blind cow. I have
Speaker 2: to read this book.
Speaker 1: So yes, I'm not sure if he's ever going to
Speaker 1: get over the whole cow fucking element of the Last
Speaker 1: Picture Show, and maybe we'll have to do a you
Speaker 1: ain't read nothing yet. In addition, where Josh comes back
Speaker 1: and reads passages from the book weird stuff. I'm glad
Speaker 1: they didn't go into too much detail for the movie.
Speaker 1: I think that was a right call, the right call made.
Speaker 1: We have a speak pipe we are behind on and
Speaker 1: please keep them coming. There's been a bit of a
Speaker 1: patchwork quilt recording this. Recently, I've been doing some shooting
Speaker 1: and so yes, so we'll behind with the speak pipes.
Speaker 1: But this is one from a lovely lady. The sounding
Speaker 1: lady named Felicity Takeaway Felicity.
Speaker 4: Hi Pete, this is Felicity. I came across your Yasni
Speaker 4: podcast night last year when Wali Daly joined you for
Speaker 4: the Empire Strikes Back, one of my old time favorites.
Speaker 4: I enjoyed it so much I've spent the month since
Speaker 4: then keeping up with your new guests, going back through
Speaker 4: earlier podcasts. I really appreciate that. It's sometimes it's a
Speaker 4: case of gaining insight into a movie I've never previously
Speaker 4: been inspired to watch, and at other times it's a
Speaker 4: case of being reminded how good it is to rewatch
Speaker 4: some classics. Now I have a request, and it may
Speaker 4: not be a popular one, since since Western's aun't everyone's
Speaker 4: cup of tea. But you've already reviewed Butchcassidy in The
Speaker 4: Sundance Kid, so I'll ford your head bravely. Please consider
Speaker 4: adding to your list the nineteen eighty five movie Silverado.
Speaker 4: There are so many fabulous actors in it, and they
Speaker 4: cover every emotion. I must admit my feminist leanings rebeal
Speaker 4: against the whole Madonna Hall thing. But other than that,
Speaker 4: it's great storytelling, rich characters, and just lots of fun acting.
Speaker 4: All the best with your future episodes. Please keep them coming.
Speaker 4: Just loving it. Cheers.
Speaker 1: I gotta say Silverado is not on the list, but
Speaker 1: I will whack it on for nine to eighty five
Speaker 1: memory my memory, I've never seen it, but it's Kevin Costner,
Speaker 1: I'm sure Scott Glenn maybe maybe Danny Glover's in.
Speaker 3: There as well. I will put that on the list.
Speaker 1: I love your passion for a felicity and I'm glad
Speaker 1: you're enjoying the podcast.
Speaker 3: And that's what I hope.
Speaker 1: I hope people are listening to the podcast some entice,
Speaker 1: perhaps by a movie they love, but also at the
Speaker 1: same time a movie they've never heard of though this
Speaker 1: has peaked their interest, or maybe it's the guest a
Speaker 1: variety of reasons to listen to episodes.
Speaker 3: I'm always fascinated of how people get through them.
Speaker 1: Some people will, of course just listen in order, but
Speaker 1: hopefully I think The Last Picture Show Today is a
Speaker 1: movie that a lot of people listening to this podcast
Speaker 1: may not have been familiar with. Also, I had an
Speaker 1: email from Christian Christian villal On. Christian says there was
Speaker 1: a comment made. This is after the Todd Sampson Shure
Speaker 1: Sake Redemption episode. He got to me at Yasney g
Speaker 1: there was a comment made about Tim Robbins height and
Speaker 1: that he would never see him acting in a movie
Speaker 1: with Tom Cruise and he got me And as soon as.
Speaker 3: I read this, I was like, oh, bloody hell, bloody hell.
Speaker 1: Well, the fact is that Tim Robins played the part
Speaker 1: of Goose in Top Gun, so yes, they have already
Speaker 1: acted in the movie together. But snap, Christian, tim Robbins
Speaker 1: did not play Goose. That in fact was Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 1: I actually just realized as I was reading it. Tim
Speaker 1: Robbins played another character, a lesser character in that movie,
Speaker 1: in the same movie, but he wasn't Goose.
Speaker 3: Let's call it the draw, Christian. Is that a deal?
Speaker 1: Also in today's episode, Josh put out the shortest screen
Speaker 1: time for an oscar, and that has come back and
Speaker 1: Josh went to work again.
Speaker 3: He found it on TikTok.
Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed because we've actually covered it on this podcast.
Speaker 1: The shortest amount of screen time for an oscar is
Speaker 1: Beatrice straight from the movie Network, which I did with
Speaker 1: television producer and great mate Chris Walker, and she won
Speaker 1: an Oscar after being on screen for five minutes and
Speaker 1: two seconds. That is the record, even less than Judy
Speaker 1: Dench in Shakespeare in Love. An incredible effort, so thank
Speaker 1: you very much, of course. Dereck Myers from Coastwaystudios dot
Speaker 1: com dot a you for putting this show together. Also,
Speaker 1: some news has broken since I last recorded, which is
Speaker 1: I am leaving my much beloved show that I've been
Speaker 1: working on for ten years. It has been we did
Speaker 1: accidentally reported as eight, but it's actually ten ten years
Speaker 1: the project on Channel ten, this time for new adventures.
Speaker 1: I feel great that I've announced it to the world.
Speaker 1: There's been lots of love and support. It gives me
Speaker 1: more time for some passion projects and also some things
Speaker 1: I've already got locked in that need my attention for
Speaker 1: next year in my headspace. So thank you so much
Speaker 1: for everyone who's reached out and in that and it
Speaker 1: means it's easier to do this podcast, So thank you.
Speaker 1: Next week on the show, The Good Doctor is in
Speaker 1: the house. Doctor Chris Brown a great mate, bloody talented
Speaker 1: guy and he has never seen the movie The Australian classic,
Speaker 1: the one that launched Eric Banner and also director Andrew
Speaker 1: Dominic Chopper. That's right, Chris Brown has never seen Chopper.
Speaker 1: How an Australian is that. We'll get to the bottom
Speaker 1: of why he hates to straight in the cinema and
Speaker 1: Eric Banner next week. He doesn't really, of course, he
Speaker 1: loves it, but that's next week and you mentioned nothing
Speaker 1: yet Chris Brown watching Chopper until then.
Speaker 9: Bye for now, and
Speaker 1: So we leave Old Pete save fan soul, and to
Speaker 1: our friends of the radio audience, we've been a pleasant
Speaker 1: good name.