WEBVTT - Why Israel's PM could soon be ousted

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<v Speaker 1>Already and this is this is the Daily Oh, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the Daily OS.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, now it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>twentieth of June.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Sam, I'm billy.

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<v Speaker 1>As The war and guards are between Israel and Hamas

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<v Speaker 1>continues now two hundred and fifty eight days after the

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<v Speaker 1>seventh of October attack by Hamas on Israel. Israeli Prime

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<v Speaker 1>Minister Benjamin Naanier, who has pulled the plug on his

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<v Speaker 1>war cabinet. That's a special body formed days after the

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<v Speaker 1>attack and charged with the responsibility of directing Israel's response.

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<v Speaker 1>It's yet another destabilizing blow to the leader, who is

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<v Speaker 1>now staring at the prospect of having to call a

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<v Speaker 1>national election, all while trying to appease influential members of

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<v Speaker 1>his own coalition. It's a messy, complex situation, and in

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<v Speaker 1>today's deep Dive, we're gonna try and break it all down.

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<v Speaker 1>The first Billy. What is making headlines.

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<v Speaker 2>So Sam, Earlier this week, there was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most significant changes to domestic Israeli politics since the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of this current war between Israel and Hamas in October,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was the dissolution of Israel's Prime Minister Benji

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<v Speaker 2>minute Enya, whose war Cabinet, which we will explain what

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<v Speaker 2>that is in a minute. So that happened on Monday,

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<v Speaker 2>and then in the days since, the mounting pressure on Yenya,

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<v Speaker 2>who to resign and call a new election, has only

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<v Speaker 2>grown amongst citizens in Israel. Can you start by just

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<v Speaker 2>giving us some background on why this war cabinet was

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<v Speaker 2>established in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, so this war cabinet was set up in response

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<v Speaker 1>to the attack by Hamas on the seventh of October.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he was about five days after that attack,

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<v Speaker 1>so relatively quickly, so just a reminder. On that day,

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<v Speaker 1>Hamas launched a significant assault on Israel, resulting in roughly

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<v Speaker 1>twelve hundred deaths, that's according to YUEN data. They also

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<v Speaker 1>captured about two hundred and forty hostages, with around one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty still held in Gaza. Israel responded with

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<v Speaker 1>a declaration of war on Jamas and a bombardment of Gaza.

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<v Speaker 1>This military response has led to a severe humanitarian crisis,

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<v Speaker 1>with over thirty seven thou two hundred Palestinians reported killed

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<v Speaker 1>since the conflict began. That's again according to UN data.

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<v Speaker 1>And just to give you a sense of how severe

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<v Speaker 1>this humanitarian crisis really is, the Yuan rights chief recently

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<v Speaker 1>said there has been unconscionable death and suffering. More than

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and twenty thousand people in Gaza, overwhelmingly women

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<v Speaker 1>and children have been killed or injured since the seventh

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<v Speaker 1>of October as the result of the intensive Israeli offensives.

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<v Speaker 2>So that kind of gives the background of why Israel

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<v Speaker 2>set up this war cabinet, But can you tell me

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<v Speaker 2>more about what happens once it is set up?

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<v Speaker 1>So this seventh of October attack happens in Israel five

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<v Speaker 1>days later. Benjamin Natner, who deemed the circumstances so serious

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<v Speaker 1>that it required the establishment of this unique body called

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<v Speaker 1>a war Cabinet. The special body was meant to be

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<v Speaker 1>this small, high level decision making group within the Israeli government,

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<v Speaker 1>purely established to oversee its conduct in the war. And

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<v Speaker 1>it included senior ministers and officials who were charged with

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<v Speaker 1>making crucial decisions regarding military activities and strategies. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think part of the reason why they kept it so

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<v Speaker 1>small was to make them quickly and importantly, it included

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<v Speaker 1>people from major parties across the Israeli parliament, which is

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<v Speaker 1>called the Knesset. So in an Australian context, almost imagine

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<v Speaker 1>a smaller committee made up with people from both the

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<v Speaker 1>Labor Party and the Liberal Party. Now, at this early

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<v Speaker 1>stage of the war, public support in Israel behind a

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<v Speaker 1>war cabinet launching a full scale attack on Gaza was high,

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<v Speaker 1>So seventy four percent of people, according to one poll,

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<v Speaker 1>said they do not expect permanent peace in the region,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was record high levels of sadness and stress

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<v Speaker 1>according to this poll in the general population.

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<v Speaker 2>So this war cabinet had politicians from across the Israeli

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<v Speaker 2>parliament who were the key figures in it though.

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<v Speaker 1>So the war Cabinet included obviously the Prime Minister Benjamin Nanna,

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<v Speaker 1>who Defense Minister Joav Galant, and Benny Gantz, who is

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<v Speaker 1>a prominent centrist politician, and Benjamin Naanna whose main political

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<v Speaker 1>rival obviously in times where the country is not in

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<v Speaker 1>war and they need to come together. So Ganz is

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<v Speaker 1>a former military chief and defense minister. The cabinet was

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<v Speaker 1>set up at the beginning to meet at a minimum

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<v Speaker 1>once every forty eight hours, so that's quite a remarkable

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<v Speaker 1>cadence for this group to be meeting. There were also

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<v Speaker 1>three observer members who participated in discussions, but they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have the power to make or override decisions, so in

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<v Speaker 1>many ways they were kind of more there to consult.

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<v Speaker 2>So that kind of gives us the context of the

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<v Speaker 2>last eight months and how this war Cabinet has operated.

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<v Speaker 2>But then this week there have been two resignations, So

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<v Speaker 2>what prompted.

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<v Speaker 1>That, Well, Benny Ganz and Guddy Eisencott, who's a close

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<v Speaker 1>ally of his, resigned ultimately due to dissatisfaction with netna

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<v Speaker 1>Who's handling of the war. It wasn't a particularly surprising move.

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<v Speaker 1>Gantz had foreshadowed this exit a couple of weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 1>essentially presenting Nenna Who with an ultimatum to accept his

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<v Speaker 1>plan for the war and for Gaza or he would quit.

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<v Speaker 1>When Nenya who didn't meet that deadline, Gans did indeed

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<v Speaker 1>do what he said he would do, and he did quit.

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<v Speaker 1>In a press conference, Gance criticized the ongoing milit ty

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<v Speaker 1>strategy in Gaza. He described it as causing a quote

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<v Speaker 1>painful and ongoing price for Israel. Gans also said, Nenya

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<v Speaker 1>who prevents us from moving forward to a real victory.

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<v Speaker 1>Fateful strategic decisions are met with hesitancy and procrastination due

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<v Speaker 1>to political considerations.

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<v Speaker 2>I was doing some reading before we came in here.

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<v Speaker 2>Just again an understanding of how important Gance was for

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<v Speaker 2>the war cabinet. The New York Times described him as

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<v Speaker 2>one of ntenya Who's most moderate partners, and that he

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<v Speaker 2>helped boost the Israel government's international credibility as well. The

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<v Speaker 2>article also said that he's also been quote one of

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<v Speaker 2>the most prominent voices pushing for a ceasefire, which we

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<v Speaker 2>know the international community is really pushing for a ceasefire

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<v Speaker 2>between Israel and Hamas, especially in these recent weeks where

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of seemed like we're close but possibly not.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, US President Joe Biden's come out with a

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<v Speaker 1>clear plan and he's kind of trying to bring everyone

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<v Speaker 1>to the table to get it in action exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And within Israel's war cabinet, this person, Gance was one

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<v Speaker 2>of the key people pushing for Israel to sign it. However,

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<v Speaker 2>Gance had ruled out agreeing to establish an independent Palestinian state,

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<v Speaker 2>so he did agree with Netienna, who in some areas,

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<v Speaker 2>but protest is feared that the Israeli government's coalition will

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<v Speaker 2>move even further to the right without Gance there, because

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<v Speaker 2>like we said, he was more moderate exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And to really get your head around what all of

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<v Speaker 1>that means and what those implications could be, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to understand that Benjamin Nana, whose coalition government has far

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<v Speaker 1>right members in it that are also in Benjamin Nanya,

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<v Speaker 1>Who's ear and so Benny Gance got up after his

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<v Speaker 1>resignation and said that Nenya who must reject what he

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<v Speaker 1>described as the fanatics within his government, and he warned

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<v Speaker 1>that failing to do so could lead israel quotes to

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<v Speaker 1>the abyss so to Israelis, especially those who were already

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to Benjamin Nana who. This really did provide a

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<v Speaker 1>moment for their opposition to have a strong anchor points

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<v Speaker 1>to it, and that kind of gave israel protests another

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to express their anger towards the current trajectory of

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<v Speaker 1>the government's war strategy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm interested in that point about Israeli's current views towards

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<v Speaker 2>Nenna Who, not just the people around the table in

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<v Speaker 2>the war cabinet, but the entire population. What do we

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<v Speaker 2>know about how the country feels about PM Nenya who?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think it's important to first acknowledge that there's

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<v Speaker 1>really been growing anger and opposition towards Nenya who for

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<v Speaker 1>many years before the seventh of October. This is not

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<v Speaker 1>a news sentiment. Nenya who has been under investigation for

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<v Speaker 1>several years over allegations of bribery, fraud, and breach of

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<v Speaker 1>trust in multiple cases, and these investigations have significantly impacted

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<v Speaker 1>his political career and also his public perception. Now. Opinion

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<v Speaker 1>polls published in Israel towards the end of last year

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<v Speaker 1>in the Mahriv newspaper shows that eighty percent of Israelis

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<v Speaker 1>believe Nenya Who should publicly accept responsibility for the catastrophic

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<v Speaker 1>security failures on October seven, and his approval numbers add

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<v Speaker 1>the preferred Prime minister of Israel have continued to drop

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<v Speaker 1>sharply since that day. But there's also a more sinister

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<v Speaker 1>sentiment amongst those who protest against Nnya Who, and that

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<v Speaker 1>sentiment is that he actually doesn't want to reach a

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<v Speaker 1>ceasefire because while Israel is in war mode, his own

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<v Speaker 1>legal troubles are not the focus of the conversation, right, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Just want to recap exactly where we are. So there's

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<v Speaker 2>growing opposition to Niya Who, particularly amongst those who are

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<v Speaker 2>pushing for him to take a more moderate approach to

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<v Speaker 2>the war in Gaza. And then his key political opponent,

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<v Speaker 2>Benny Ganz, who have spoken about a lot who he

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<v Speaker 2>formed this war cabinet with, quit So what happened after that?

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<v Speaker 1>So basically Nenya who was left with a smaller war cabinet,

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<v Speaker 1>and he then decided just to dissolve the body altogether. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>according to a government spokesperson, there was quote no longer

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<v Speaker 1>a need for the War Cabinet after Ganz's resignation. He

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned that major decisions regarding the war in Gaza would

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<v Speaker 1>now be made by Israel's main fourteen person security Cabinet,

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<v Speaker 1>which has always been there, and that includes a broader

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<v Speaker 1>group of senior government figures, so the Foreign Affairs Minister,

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<v Speaker 1>the Justice Minister, and two far right members of Netna

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<v Speaker 1>whose coalition, amongst others.

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<v Speaker 2>So that prediction earlier that without Gance there would be

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<v Speaker 2>more far right members within the cabinet has proven right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and whilst the cabinet has changed its name, it

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<v Speaker 1>really still does have the key responsibility. I do just

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<v Speaker 1>want to mention that we've talked a lot about the

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<v Speaker 1>differences between Bennigance and Benjamin Natna who, but there was also,

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<v Speaker 1>as you alluded to, a lot of similarities. Both of

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<v Speaker 1>them wanted to see the full eradication of Hamas from Gaza,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's the phrase they kept using. The difference was

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<v Speaker 1>really in how they went about achieving that mission.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So there was this War Cabinet that has now

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<v Speaker 2>been dismantled. And then there's the Security Cabinet, which has

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<v Speaker 2>always existed, but it's now been empowered to make the

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<v Speaker 2>war strategy decisions. What is the difference between those.

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<v Speaker 1>Two Well, I think to really answer that question properly,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to see what happens and if there's a

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<v Speaker 1>change of strategy from the IDF in the coming weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think the really important difference between the two cabinets,

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<v Speaker 1>besides their name, is that one was positioned to be

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<v Speaker 1>compromised of members across the political spectrum, and the message

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<v Speaker 1>to the Israeli people in the establishment of that body

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<v Speaker 1>was that this was such an important time in their history,

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<v Speaker 1>it was such a time of existential threat that politicians

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<v Speaker 1>on all ends of the political spectrum would come together

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<v Speaker 1>in the name of a unified mission. But now in

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<v Speaker 1>the Security Cabinet, that's not the case. The Security Cabinet's

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<v Speaker 1>core decision making group has five members from three parties,

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<v Speaker 1>and all those parties are on the right of politics.

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<v Speaker 1>And what that means in reality is that Nenyahu and

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<v Speaker 1>his right wing coalition, who includes some far right members,

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<v Speaker 1>will have more influence over the decision making process because

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<v Speaker 1>there is simply a different mix of people around the table,

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<v Speaker 1>there's less diverse voices, and like you alluded to before,

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<v Speaker 1>some experts do say that this could lead to a

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<v Speaker 1>continuation or even an intensification of the current military strategy

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<v Speaker 1>in Gaza, as the more moderate voices in Israeli politics

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<v Speaker 1>like Gance have exited the scene. Now, it's really hard

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<v Speaker 1>to imagine what an intensification of the current military strategy

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<v Speaker 1>would really look like, considering the state of affairs and

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<v Speaker 1>how much destruction there's been in the past couple of months.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think unimaginable doesn't even begin to describe what

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<v Speaker 2>a more aggressive strategy from Israel could look like. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>In the days since, thousands of protests have gathered across

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<v Speaker 2>Israel demanding an election, could we see an election in

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<v Speaker 2>the coming months.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, These protests in the last couple of days have

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<v Speaker 1>been really intense. It also included protesters in Jerusalem actually

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<v Speaker 1>attending Benjamin Nanya, Who's private residence, to call for him

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<v Speaker 1>to resign and to hold an election. Israeli police had

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<v Speaker 1>to use water cannons to disperse the crowds that gathered

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<v Speaker 1>near his home, and they arrested at least nine people.

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<v Speaker 1>Now amongst the protesters. This is really interesting are the

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<v Speaker 1>families of some of the Israeli hostages, and they say

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<v Speaker 1>that they're fed up with the lack of leadership and

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<v Speaker 1>that a deal should have been struck months ago. There

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<v Speaker 1>are still some supporters of Nenya who in Israeli society.

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<v Speaker 1>Recent political polling puts that number at about ten percent

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<v Speaker 1>of the population.

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<v Speaker 2>So far from a majority.

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<v Speaker 1>Though. Yeah, he would probably lose the election if there

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<v Speaker 1>was one held tomorrow, and that's what two major polls,

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<v Speaker 1>one from a left wing Israeli newspaper and one from

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<v Speaker 1>a right wing Israeli newspaper showed us. So both of

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<v Speaker 1>those polls said that Benny Gantz would be the preferred

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<v Speaker 1>prime minister in a race between the two of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there any world in which you think that nehnya

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<v Speaker 2>who would actually step down?

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I think what we do know about Nenya Who

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<v Speaker 1>is that he's had extreme challenges in the past with

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<v Speaker 1>various legal cases. He's lost elections before and somehow managed

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<v Speaker 1>to return. So he's certainly not going to step aside

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<v Speaker 1>without a fight.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll keep an eye on the public protests and of

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<v Speaker 2>course on the ongoing humanitarian crisis. In Gaza. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much for listening to this episode of The Daily

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<v Speaker 2>os and we'll see you again tomorrow.

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