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Speaker 2: Oh, now it makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Thursday,

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Speaker 1: twentieth of June.

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Speaker 2: I'm Sam, I'm billy.

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Speaker 1: As The war and guards are between Israel and Hamas

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Speaker 1: continues now two hundred and fifty eight days after the

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Speaker 1: seventh of October attack by Hamas on Israel. Israeli Prime

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Speaker 1: Minister Benjamin Naanier, who has pulled the plug on his

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Speaker 1: war cabinet. That's a special body formed days after the

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Speaker 1: attack and charged with the responsibility of directing Israel's response.

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Speaker 1: It's yet another destabilizing blow to the leader, who is

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Speaker 1: now staring at the prospect of having to call a

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Speaker 1: national election, all while trying to appease influential members of

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Speaker 1: his own coalition. It's a messy, complex situation, and in

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Speaker 1: today's deep Dive, we're gonna try and break it all down.

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Speaker 1: The first Billy. What is making headlines.

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Speaker 2: A man has been arrested after Victoria Police's bomb Response

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Speaker 2: Unit responded to an emergency in Melbourne, CBD on Wednesday afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Police confirmed the incident near Collin Street was not terror

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Speaker 2: related and said there was no ongoing threat to the public.

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Speaker 2: A thirty three year old was detained and questioned as

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Speaker 2: part of ongoing investigations by Victoria Police's Arsons and Explosive Squad.

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Speaker 1: New South Wales has recorded a bird flu case following

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Speaker 1: a recent outbreak in parts of Victoria. The strain detected

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Speaker 1: on a poultry and egg farm in the New South

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Speaker 1: Wales Hawksbury region, is difference to the Victorian strain. Authorities

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Speaker 1: believe it may have spread to the property northwest of

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Speaker 1: Sydney via wild birds. The farm was placed into an

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Speaker 1: immediate lockdown as biosecurity and decontamination efforts continue in the

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Speaker 1: surrounding area. The state government said supermarket eggs and poultry

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Speaker 1: will not be impacted.

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Speaker 2: Protesters have been accused of trying to sabotage a queer

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Speaker 2: youth event in Melbourne. Organizers of the Minus eighteen Queer

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Speaker 2: Formal say anti LGBTQ plus group have been registering for

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Speaker 2: free tickets on the event on the sixth of July

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Speaker 2: in an attempt to shut it down. Charity organization Minus

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Speaker 2: eighteen hosts annual inclusive school formals for LGBTQ plus thirteen

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Speaker 2: to nineteen year old in Melbourne, Sydney and Adelaide.

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Speaker 1: And today's good news, seventy seven global charities and organizations

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Speaker 1: will share in the inheritance of an Austrian German heiress.

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Speaker 1: Earlier this year, thirty two year old Marlene Engelhorn announced

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Speaker 1: plans to donate a forty million dollar fortune inherited from

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Speaker 1: her grandmother. She set up a wealthy distribution body to

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Speaker 1: help her decide where to donate the money. That group

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Speaker 1: has now allocated funds towards environmental conservation, education, health, and

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Speaker 1: ending poverty and homelessness.

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Speaker 2: So Sam, Earlier this week, there was one of the

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Speaker 2: most significant changes to domestic Israeli politics since the beginning

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Speaker 2: and that was the dissolution of Israel's Prime Minister Benji

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Speaker 2: and then in the days since, the mounting pressure on Yenya,

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Speaker 2: giving us some background on why this war cabinet was

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Speaker 1: Sure, so this war cabinet was set up in response

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Speaker 1: captured about two hundred and forty hostages, with around one

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Speaker 1: So this seventh of October attack happens in Israel five

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Speaker 1: So seventy four percent of people, according to one poll,

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Speaker 2: So this war cabinet had politicians from across the Israeli

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Speaker 1: So the war Cabinet included obviously the Prime Minister Benjamin Nanna,

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Speaker 2: But then this week there have been two resignations, So

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Speaker 2: I was doing some reading before we came in here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, US President Joe Biden's come out with a

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Speaker 1: And to really get your head around what all of

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Speaker 1: to understand that Benjamin Nana, whose coalition government has far

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Speaker 2: I'm interested in that point about Israeli's current views towards

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Speaker 2: Just want to recap exactly where we are. So there's

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Speaker 1: So basically Nenya who was left with a smaller war cabinet,

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Speaker 2: So that prediction earlier that without Gance there would be

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and whilst the cabinet has changed its name, it

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Speaker 1: So I think the really important difference between the two cabinets,

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Speaker 1: And what that means in reality is that Nenyahu and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think unimaginable doesn't even begin to describe what

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Speaker 2: In the days since, thousands of protests have gathered across

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Speaker 1: Yeah, These protests in the last couple of days have

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Speaker 1: Recent political polling puts that number at about ten percent

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Speaker 2: So far from a majority.

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Speaker 1: Though. Yeah, he would probably lose the election if there

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Speaker 2: Is there any world in which you think that nehnya

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Speaker 1: Look, I think what we do know about Nenya Who

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Speaker 2: We'll keep an eye on the public protests and of

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Speaker 2: course on the ongoing humanitarian crisis. In Gaza. Thank you

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