1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the underground car park at State Square was also 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: focused on yesterday during those parliamentary estimates, and rightly so. 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: Now when I talk about that underground car park, I 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: know it's the one that the opposition likes to refer 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: to as the underground above ground car park. 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 2: I think you know that what I'm talking about. 7 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: Anyway, Apparently the cost blew out more than seven million dollars, 8 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: that's what's being reported on the ABC. It was tended 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: at nineteen million but ended up costing more than twenty 10 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: six point seven million dollars. Now, the Minister Evil Lawless 11 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: said the issue was due to a Spestos mediation, and 12 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: a spokesperson from the department had had said the same. 13 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: It does make me wonder, though, how much are we 14 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: going to see that playground at Miley Point blowout. 15 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 2: I know that we're all. 16 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: Waiting to sort of see things get going along there. 17 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: I had been told that there'd been delays due to 18 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: asbestos on that site, so I'm really interested to see 19 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: if we end up with another cost blowout, because seven 20 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: million dollars of taxpayers dollars is a. 21 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 2: Huge amount to blow out on a project. 22 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: I know that we have got issues around the Northern 23 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: territory with asbestos re mediation, aspestos removal. 24 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: But you know what point do we. 25 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: Sort of factor these in when we go through that 26 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: tendering process to avoid these kind of cost blowouts happening. 27 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: And I would think that you'd always have a little 28 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: bit of a buffer there, but seven million dollars seems 29 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: like a huge amount to go over. Also this morning, 30 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: though we are going to be crossing to Luke Gosling 31 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: in Canberra. We'll cover off on the big issues as well. 32 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: Damien Hale and Dave Tolna will join us in the studio. 33 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: Let's get straight into it though. We have got such 34 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 2: a busy morning lined. 35 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: Up for you as always, and as I said, Parliamentary 36 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: estimates continued today. Yesterday was one of those more interesting 37 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: days with the police portfolio in focus. It was a 38 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: timely day I think for the Opposition to be asking 39 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: questions about crime, following on from the incidents which unfolded 40 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: in the last twenty four hours, specifically the teenage boys 41 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: allegedly insulting people and damaging property at the supermarket in the. 42 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: City on Monday. 43 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: Now joining me on the line to talk further about 44 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: this is the opposition leader leafanocchi Airo. 45 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 3: Good morning, Good morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners. 46 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: Now, Lea, you've been asking for weeks now about repeat 47 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: offending and bail and the impact of the government's youth 48 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: justice changes. Did you get the answers to any of 49 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: the questions that well, you, me and the public have 50 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: been asking for some time. 51 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 3: Oh it's a Paul and Katie, No, I haven't. So 52 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 3: you know, I asked a series of questions in parliament 53 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 3: about how many youths have been arrested, how many were 54 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 3: then bailed, how many were then arrested while on bail, 55 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 3: All questions that are in the public interest, All questions 56 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 3: that territories want to know answers for. I then followed 57 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 3: that up on several occasions, giving notice to government that 58 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,119 Speaker 3: I would be asking these questions in parliament in estimates, 59 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 3: and the Police Minister came empty handed yesterday. So those 60 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 3: questions have now been taken on notice and I won't 61 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 3: be receiving a risky to those until late January next year, 62 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 3: which is appalling. 63 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: I mean, really to sort of to lay this out 64 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: and bear for our listeners, why is it important that 65 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: we get this information lea because some people might be thinking, well, 66 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: is it even going to make any difference if we not, 67 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: It makes a. 68 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 3: Huge difference, because what we've got is a government trying 69 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 3: to spin its way out of the crime crisis that 70 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 3: is plaguing the territory, and a government in denial about 71 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 3: the impacts of its use justice and bail laws that 72 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 3: it brought in two years ago which watered down consequences 73 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 3: and erode bail. And so what I'm trying to get 74 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 3: to the bottom of love is understanding that repeat offending 75 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 3: and understanding what that revolving door of bail looks like 76 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 3: and show it with the data. So it's critical that 77 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 3: the governments start looking at numbers that matter. At the moment, 78 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 3: we've got government talking about the number of prosecution files 79 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 3: and all these other types of data, which in and 80 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 3: of themselves don't give territories any clarity around what is 81 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 3: happening to someone within the justice system. So we will 82 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 3: continue to ask these questions that are important to territories, 83 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 3: and we will continue to shine a light on what 84 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 3: is going on with the government's changes and whether or 85 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 3: not in fact they're contributing to these continuous breaches of 86 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 3: bail and this increasing in offending. 87 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: Leah, were you able to ascertain exactly what those prosecution 88 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: files meant following the release of that information last week 89 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: around Alice Springs. 90 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 3: Yes, so the Police Commissioner explained that really well, which 91 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 3: is good to know, and essentially its files put to 92 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 3: police prosecution for charge. But of course that's police doing 93 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 3: a fantastic job, and of cause our police are out 94 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 3: there every day working so hard to keep us safe 95 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 3: in challenging situation. Obviously COVID's just exacerbated everything. But the 96 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 3: prosecution file is police providing that I guess evidence to 97 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 3: the police prosecutor to then charge. But of course what 98 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 3: we don't know from talking about secution files is what 99 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 3: then happens. Where does it then fall down? Is it 100 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 3: with the courts, is it with the legislation not being 101 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 3: able to you know, because it's geared so much in 102 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 3: favor of the youth. So it doesn't really tell us anything. 103 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 3: What it tells us is that our police work really 104 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 3: hard and we know that and no one's ever thought otherwise. 105 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 3: But what it doesn't show us is where the law 106 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 3: itself breaks down and doesn't support the work of police. 107 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 3: And that's what I want to get to the bottom 108 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 3: of Lea. 109 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: What do you think is happening? 110 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: Where do you think this is all breaking down and 111 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: the community is being let down. 112 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 3: I think the government's approach to law and order has 113 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 3: been permissive, and I think over the four or five years, 114 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 3: offenders have become more brazen because they know nothing is 115 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 3: going to happen to them. They know they have to 116 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 3: be a very severe offender before some sort of meaningful 117 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 3: consequences is delivered to them. I think the fact that 118 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 3: we've removed breach of bowel condition as offense sends a 119 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 3: signal like, you know nothing is going to happen to 120 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 3: me if I breach my bail. Bail has been watered 121 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 3: down to be largely meaningless. I think, you know, the 122 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 3: youth justice reform has been terrible. I think territory families 123 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 3: being in control of use justice is an experiment that 124 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 3: has failed and failed territorians, and I think territory families 125 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 3: had a lot to answer for and a big role 126 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 3: to play in this crime crisis. Very experiencing well Lea. 127 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: Yesterday we spoke with the Police Association President Paul mcew 128 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: on the show about those bail amendments and if there 129 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: needs to be change in this space. Now, hopefully this 130 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: plays properly. Take a listen. 131 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 4: Whilst you know the minister's saying there was wholehearted support 132 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 4: for that, I'm not sure that's actually the case. And 133 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 4: I know the feedback we're getting from members on the 134 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 4: ground is you know it needs to be looked at 135 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 4: again because it's just not working right now, Leah. 136 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: From your perspective, why does this need to be reviewed? 137 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: I mean it was a recommendation of the Royal Commission. 138 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 3: Because it's not working. And I just can't understand why 139 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 3: the government is continuing to push ahead when it goes 140 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 3: around the territory, when it sees the impact crime is 141 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 3: having having on territorians, when it sees this sort of 142 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 3: increase in severe offending, why it's not looking at the 143 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 3: things it's done which may have contributed to it. And 144 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 3: I think removing the charge of breach of our condition 145 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 3: as an offense is a very bad deterrent. I think 146 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 3: it's just removed a deterrent. It's removed an opportunity for 147 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 3: police to be able to lay extra charges and send 148 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 3: a message to that young person doing the wrong thing 149 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 3: that if they're caught, you know they're going to be 150 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 3: charged for it. It's just it's just so offender focus. 151 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 3: This government has been so offender focused, but it has 152 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 3: not put in the wrap around supports to these offenders 153 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 3: to be able to stop them from offending. And so 154 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 3: you know, their processes are at cross purposes and it's 155 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 3: doing a disservice to our community. 156 00:07:58,480 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: Leah. 157 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: One of the other questions that I've beve you did 158 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: ask yesterday is what is considered a prescribed offense, because 159 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: my understanding is that if you were charged with the 160 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: prescribed defense, that then you're. 161 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: Not able to get bailed. 162 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: But please correct me if I'm wrong based on the 163 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: information that you were given yesterday. 164 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 3: No, you can still so use virtually a bailed or 165 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 3: they have a presumption in favor of VAO, so bail 166 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: is a preferred outcome. I suppose you could call it 167 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 3: for offenses that are to prescribe defense, which is most 168 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 3: offenses then there are prescribed defenses, which means I think 169 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 3: it's the presumption's neutral. So it's not that they do 170 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 3: they're not bailed, it's not that at all. It's just 171 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 3: they don't have that positive affirmation of getting bail. So 172 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 3: prescribed defenses are very very serious types of offenses. They're 173 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 3: like terrorism, murder. The Police Commissioner did outline a couple 174 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 3: of other offenses which fall into that category, but again 175 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 3: that's something that we think needs to be looked at with, 176 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 3: which is why I asked the question around how many 177 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 3: people have been arrested for prescribed and non prescribed defenses, 178 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 3: because perhaps we need to be pulling that threshold lower 179 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 3: so that more crimes are actually prescribed defenses. 180 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, I'm quite confused by all the information. 181 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure that a lot of our listeners are as well. 182 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: I know that you know you've been trying to get 183 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: this detail from the Police Minister. What was the reasoning 184 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: behind not being able to give you the statistics and 185 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: the answers to the questions that you put to her yesterday. 186 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 3: Or she didn't give a reason at all. It's just laziness. 187 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 3: I mean, on Monday we saw incompetence from the Chief Minister, 188 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 3: and yesterday we saw laziness from the Police Minister. They 189 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 3: know these questions are important to territory and they know 190 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 3: these questions are important to unlocking what is really going on. 191 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 3: And they're not interested in providing that going forward because 192 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 3: they are not a government that is keen to review 193 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 3: its own policies. They're not a government to look at 194 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 3: what they've done and try and see if they can 195 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 3: improve and make it better into the future. They are 196 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 3: a set and forget government and they're just happy to 197 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 3: ride this out and hope that their talk of generational 198 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 3: change in twenty years is going to make some difference. 199 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: Now, well, look, you know, I think at the moment 200 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: Territorians are hurting at the moment, and there's no doubt 201 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: about that, and I think that's you know, realistically, I'm 202 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: certainly hearing what you're saying. You know, I've heard what 203 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: the government has had to say in this space, and 204 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: I think that at some point, I don't know how 205 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 1: I can communicate this to the government and to all 206 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: of our politicians, but you know, we've got to try 207 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: in some way to put politics aside and try our 208 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: best to sort this issue so that we do not 209 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: lose good Territorians who are going to move away because 210 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: they're fed up with the way that we're dealing with 211 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: things when it comes to youth crime. 212 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 3: That's exactly right, Katie, and we have put up so 213 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 3: many solutions. We have tried so hard to get the 214 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 3: information and the government is it's just not getting through 215 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 3: to them. They have to have the political will to 216 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 3: want to deal with this issue, and there has been 217 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 3: no indication so far that they do. I mean, it's 218 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 3: just pure laziness not to come to estimates with the answers. 219 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 3: The Police Minister had to take twenty four questions on 220 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 3: notice yesterday. Again, we won't get them back to January, 221 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 3: but I can assure you, Katie, when they come back, 222 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 3: we will be talking here. 223 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, I'll be keen to hear exactly what 224 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: comes through. 225 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 2: I do want to ask you, Leah. 226 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: Obviously we spoke yesterday about that situation that unfolded at 227 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: the Woolworths CBD. We found out that the seventeen year 228 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: old one seventeen year old was obviously apprehended by the 229 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police. That youth was then released without being interviewed, 230 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 1: to be interviewed at a later date. 231 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 2: What was your reaction upon hearing that? 232 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 3: You know what, I wasn't surprised at all because that's 233 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 3: the way the law is geared. This is not police's fault. 234 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 3: It's the way the legislation is structured, and that was 235 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 3: a horrific incident that I think people are just starting 236 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 3: to wonder what on earth is going on and is 237 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 3: this going to get worth over the school holiday period. 238 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 3: I mean, for that to happen in broad daylight, just 239 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 3: you know, a few meters away from police headquarters, you know, 240 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 3: it's just astonishing, and that that brazenness of this offending 241 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 3: and the violent nature of it is making a lot 242 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 3: of people wonder when is the government going to take 243 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 3: action and start dealing with this seriously. 244 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: Now, Leah, I know that there has been plenty to 245 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: focus on obviously in parliamentary estimates, and it is really 246 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: the opportunity for the opposition and the Independence to get 247 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 1: the information all hopefully or at least try and get 248 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: the information that you're chasing. But look, I do know 249 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: that it's being reported by the ABC News that the 250 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: underground car park at State Square, I know you like 251 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 1: to call it the underground above ground car park. It 252 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: was a focus yesterday and the cost of that car 253 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: park actually blew out more than seven million dollars, is 254 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: what's they're reporting now. It was tended at nineteen million 255 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 1: dollars but ended up costing more than twenty six So 256 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: it's seven million dollars. Lea, are there ways in which 257 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 1: we can actually when a tender is you know, put out, 258 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: Are there ways in which we can mitigate this from happening? 259 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 2: I mean, we all understand. 260 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: That there are issues with asbestos in the territory, but 261 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: seven million dollars seems like a phenomenal amount of money. 262 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 3: It is a phenomenal amount of money. And what's worse 263 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 3: is that that site was guaranteed to have his best 264 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 3: dis in it. Katie. It used to be a dumping 265 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 3: site after Cyclone Tracy. So the fact that that has 266 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 3: come as a surprise just shows the work wasn't done 267 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 3: up front and the government just wanted to push ahead 268 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 3: and get this done. I mean, I'd love to know 269 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 3: of that seven million, how much of that is attributed 270 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 3: to the landscaping plans they had to change because of course, 271 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 3: originally that was meant to be an above ground car pike, 272 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 3: not an above ground underground car park. You know, it 273 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 3: was meant to be under the ground with grass flat 274 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 3: on the top. And of course now we've got a 275 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 3: lovely feature mountain in the middle. Of our CBD. It's 276 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 3: a total joke. It shows this government incapacity to manage 277 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 3: the books. They don't even care about that blowout. We've 278 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 3: been asking questions about this car part for months, if 279 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 3: not years, and a seven million dollar blowout is not 280 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 3: just something we can accept as oh, well, that's the 281 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,119 Speaker 3: cost of doing business. It's about preparation. 282 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: What about the Miley Point playground. We were going to 283 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: have a playground built there. We've already been told that 284 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: there are some delays, as I understand, due to with Beesto. 285 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: So are you concerned about how much that's going to 286 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: eventually cost? 287 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 3: Absolutely? Absolutely, I mean that project has been delayed. We've 288 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 3: all seen the fencing up there for a very very 289 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 3: long time. Again, a well known site that would certainly 290 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 3: almost certainly have as bestess in it. So if the 291 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 3: government wants to push ahead in developing these sites, they've 292 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 3: got to be better prepared for the true cost of 293 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 3: those proposals. I think that original playground was going to 294 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 3: be about three million dollars, which by any standard is 295 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 3: a lot of money for a playground. You know, it'd 296 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 3: be very interesting to see what the final wash up 297 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 3: dollar figure is. 298 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: Well Leafanocchi Aio opposition leader. We are going to have 299 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: to leave it there, but we'll have you in on Friday, 300 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: as I understand it, for the week. 301 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 2: That was perfect. All right, well, we'll see you Friday. 302 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 2: Thank you, Leader Friday. 303 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 3: Take care. 304 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 2: That's Leaf and Occuiaro there, the opposition leader.