Speaker 1: Gooday, Peter Hall, are you here? Welcome to You Ain't
Speaker 1: Seen Nothing Yet? The movie podcast where I chat to
Speaker 1: a movie lover about a classic or beloved movie they
Speaker 1: haven't quite got around to watching until now. And today's
Speaker 1: guest is Sam Mack. And before we get to Sam Mack,
Speaker 1: I do want to point out that today's episode, or
Speaker 1: this episode of You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet, was not
Speaker 1: recorded in our lush studios at Castaway Studios. It was
Speaker 1: in fact recorded during Lockdown online, so the audio quality
Speaker 1: is not quite as you would expect from Castaway Studios.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think we got by. It was lockdown.
Speaker 1: It was a pandemic. God damn it.
Speaker 2: Enjoy life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look
Speaker 2: around once in a while. You could miss it.
Speaker 3: Would you be shocked if I put on something more
Speaker 3: comfortambousn right stuff?
Speaker 1: Nobody attacks their job with the unbridled enthusiasm and vigor
Speaker 1: of San Mac, but call him a TV where the
Speaker 1: man doesn't do justice to what Sand Mac does. He
Speaker 1: has turned his morning TV meteorology spots into mini tonight
Speaker 1: shows offering musicals, contests, and sketches. For as long as
Speaker 1: I've known Sam He's made stuff. He is a creator,
Speaker 1: putting content into the world before content was a hashtag. Hilarious,
Speaker 1: talented and generous. Un chucked the course, Sam mac a mate.
Speaker 3: Thank you for reading that introduction. I emailed you last
Speaker 3: Stay Pete. It's an honor to be on the show.
Speaker 3: My name is Sam Mack. My three favorite movies at
Speaker 3: time of recording are Silence of the Lambs.
Speaker 4: Rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets
Speaker 4: the hose again.
Speaker 3: The Truban Show.
Speaker 5: Was nothing Real, You Were Real?
Speaker 3: And Hunt for the Wilder People sh Yes will. Up
Speaker 3: until earlier this week, I've never seen the movie Mean Girls.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I last to you.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry I called you that.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry that people are so jealous of me, but
Speaker 2: I can help it that I'm popular.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 1: Meet the Plastics, led by Regina Georges, paid by up
Speaker 1: and coming superstar Rachel McAdams, alongside up and coming superstar
Speaker 1: Amanda Siegfried, who puts a pretty decent down payment on
Speaker 1: the name Karen and Lucy shaburb played plays the wonderfully
Speaker 1: named Gretchen Wieners. They are the A list click the
Speaker 1: Plastics who roam in Los Angeles High School. Doing as
Speaker 1: they please, they recruit a new girl, Katie, played by
Speaker 1: then So Hot Right Now superstar Lindsay Loewen, the homeschooled
Speaker 1: girl whose family has lived in Africa for the last
Speaker 1: few years, but she's returned home to face the jungle
Speaker 1: of the high school school yard. All is good until
Speaker 1: Katie and Regina find themselves vying for the love and
Speaker 1: the arm of high school heart throb Aaron Samuel's in
Speaker 1: Tina Face Hilarious two thousand and three High School Classic
Speaker 1: Mean Girls, Sam Mac welcome to You. Ain't see nothing yet.
Speaker 1: You did not email me. I was going to be
Speaker 1: very clear, just in case there's any kind of copyright
Speaker 1: issues or legal action, or in case that introduction goes
Speaker 1: on that makes money, is monetized somehow turn into a musical,
Speaker 1: just the I owned intellectual rights to that introduction. Let's
Speaker 1: be very clear on that.
Speaker 3: I mean, using the word intellectual to describe anything that
Speaker 3: we're producing today is ambitious, to say the least. Peter,
Speaker 3: thank you very much for me on. I must say
Speaker 3: that was a very very generous introduction. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: I did get a little bit worried at the start
Speaker 3: of the introduction, when you were just focusing on my enthusiasm,
Speaker 3: you know, my unbridled passion. I felt a little bit
Speaker 3: like I was about to be awarded the most improved
Speaker 3: trophy at a club. But then it got there in
Speaker 3: the end.
Speaker 1: No. Well, I mean we've spoken about this, both both
Speaker 1: personally and publicly about you know you for those who
Speaker 1: don't know, because we don't know who's listening to this
Speaker 1: part of the fun of the Internet because it goes
Speaker 1: outside Australia. I'm not sure if you know about the Internet, Sam,
Speaker 1: you'll learn a few things today.
Speaker 3: Thankfully. My appeal is global.
Speaker 1: So Sam does the Sunrise Breakfast show in Australia, does
Speaker 1: the weather, which is a bloody tough job of a
Speaker 1: whole lot of travel, which obviously you're not doing at
Speaker 1: the moment, but and interacting with the people you get,
Speaker 1: you know, a certain amount of time which has to
Speaker 1: include the weather. But you have crammed in entertainment into that,
Speaker 1: into that spot and it's it's a it's a joy
Speaker 1: to watch.
Speaker 3: Thank you mate. I feel a little uncomfortable at the
Speaker 3: moment because we've been talking for three minutes and no
Speaker 3: one's shouted rapping in my ear, it's a very unusual
Speaker 3: scenario for me to be in. But yeah, it is
Speaker 3: called the weather, and I guess you know, the weather
Speaker 3: is something I definitely do every segment. But you know,
Speaker 3: those who watch Breakfast TV in Australia and I think
Speaker 3: in America a number of countries, the weather role is
Speaker 3: very much finding people's stories, meeting characters out in their
Speaker 3: local you know, sporting clubs, or championing great causes, or
Speaker 3: going to a school and having fun with the students.
Speaker 3: Every day is a different adventure with the role, and
Speaker 3: that's the appeal of it to me. I'm fully aware
Speaker 3: of how absurd the role is and how ridiculous. You know,
Speaker 3: we've dedicated a whole morning to knitting. We did a
Speaker 3: whole morning where every half an hour I did a
Speaker 3: live cross on national television for about three or so minutes.
Speaker 3: They wanted them to be shorter, just talking to ladies
Speaker 3: about knitting, and by the end of that morning it's
Speaker 3: one of my favorite mornings because we actually started a
Speaker 3: gangster style rivalry between the Niches Guild and the New
Speaker 3: South Wales Knitting Club, like an east side west side rivalry.
Speaker 3: So I love that we can just find an adventure.
Speaker 3: As long as people are happy to have us there
Speaker 3: and they're passionate about whatever they're doing, that's half the battle.
Speaker 3: The rest normally takes care of itself.
Speaker 1: Oh are they happy to have you there? Or what
Speaker 1: I mean? The sort of the flirting that happens during
Speaker 1: your segment sometimes with some of the older ladies is
Speaker 1: enough to make a forty four year old man in
Speaker 1: Melbourne blush.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed that. I mean, you know, obviously Sunrise as
Speaker 3: a more senior demographic. You know, I can't walk through
Speaker 3: a nursing home without being mobbed these days. It's really tough.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, hopefully you're not walking through nursing homes
Speaker 1: at the moment before we get you into trouble and
Speaker 1: before the police start knocking. Let's let's start off talking
Speaker 1: about your three favorite films, three great films which I've
Speaker 1: seen all three. Let's start with Silence of the Lambs.
Speaker 1: Did you see that was at a cinema screening upon release?
Speaker 3: No, I didn't see it at the cinema. I saw
Speaker 3: it at home. I remember watching it with my sister Paula,
Speaker 3: and I think part of the joy of the experience
Speaker 3: for me was seeing how much she did not enjoy it.
Speaker 3: You know what it's like when you're watching something with
Speaker 3: your brother or your sister, and often your enjoyment can
Speaker 3: be heightened by their lack of approval of the content
Speaker 3: on offer. And obviously Silence of the Lands is a
Speaker 3: very dark movie. But the thing that I loved about
Speaker 3: it and I don't like the performances obviously were incredible.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, Hannibal Letter has to be one
Speaker 3: of the all time great characters in any genre, and
Speaker 3: the delivery of Sir Anthony Hopkins, like the whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: But what really struck a chord with me with that
Speaker 3: movie was how unpredictable the twists were. I mean, I
Speaker 3: was young when I saw it, but I did not
Speaker 3: see so many of the moments coming up until the
Speaker 3: big crescendo as well. That one absolutely hit me for
Speaker 3: six you know when it's without giving too much, I
Speaker 3: mean people should have seen it by now, but you
Speaker 3: know when it's a different house basically, and that I
Speaker 3: just remember thinking about that for days and days and
Speaker 3: days after and like how did they lead me down
Speaker 3: that path? Like I started to think for the first
Speaker 3: time about the craft of whoever made this, how did
Speaker 3: they make us go down this way when it was
Speaker 3: that way the whole time we didn't see it. I
Speaker 3: just thought that was absolute masterpiece.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and that's that, you know, the you had Clarice
Speaker 1: who was being psychologically fucked with by Hannibal Elector, and
Speaker 1: in the same way, the filmmaker, which I think was
Speaker 1: Jonathan Demi, was fucking with our minds as well, which
Speaker 1: is a nice touch.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, And I think that with Hannibal Lecter, I
Speaker 3: think a lot of people were torn because or in
Speaker 3: brilliant as I like to call it, which is a
Speaker 3: not very topical reference, but I think that he had
Speaker 3: this sophistication about him where he would listen to Mozart,
Speaker 3: he would paint these amazing paintings. He would talk about
Speaker 3: his lust for you know, the beautiful land and the
Speaker 3: beaches and the life that he wants. But then he
Speaker 3: would just say something so grotesque and he would potentially
Speaker 3: eat your brain.
Speaker 5: Census taker once tried to test me. I ate his
Speaker 5: lever with some father beans and a nice kend.
Speaker 3: So there was this there was a complexity to the
Speaker 3: character that I don't know, like I found myself as
Speaker 3: a viewer, and even when I've watched it multiple times
Speaker 3: since I warned to him on a number of occasions,
Speaker 3: even though I know what he's going to do and
Speaker 3: what he has done and what he wants to do,
Speaker 3: I connect with this monster, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's one of the great things about movies
Speaker 1: is you are allowed to sympathize with the bad guys.
Speaker 1: You know, like in real life, we tend to kind
Speaker 1: of go once we know somebody has done a certain thing,
Speaker 1: you're a bad guy, you know. Obviously there's different levels,
Speaker 1: but if you're truly you know, as somebody who's done
Speaker 1: horrendous things, you know, we don't want to sympathize if
Speaker 1: we won't sympathize with you, And that's you're You're entitled
Speaker 1: to do that. The fun of with movies is to
Speaker 1: go nah and TV no ive got a dig Hannibal Lecter.
Speaker 1: You know, I think he's got some interesting views.
Speaker 3: You know, that's the one quote that they're going to
Speaker 3: use it in a promo of this episode. Just you're going,
Speaker 3: I kind of dig Cannibal Lector.
Speaker 1: I mean, the anti heroo is revolutionized television certainly, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean Tony soprano. Of course if we if heisted
Speaker 1: in real life, we wouldn't have much time for him,
Speaker 1: and we hope that he wrote it in jail probably,
Speaker 1: but we love him on TV.
Speaker 3: I agree, and even more recently, Joe Exotic in Tiger
Speaker 3: Kings can well a great around here. I mean that,
Speaker 3: like I found, I think it's up until around it
Speaker 3: felt like episode maybe four. It was when my view
Speaker 3: on him changed up until that. I don't know if
Speaker 3: they intentionally, you know, executed it like this with a
Speaker 3: way that it was produced, but there was something really
Speaker 3: endearing about him and obviously he was so entertaining, like
Speaker 3: he was fascinating to watch. Should think that this guy
Speaker 3: could be a real person, not scripted. This is a real, living,
Speaker 3: breathing human who lives his life like this. There was
Speaker 3: something that I admired about how he was who he was,
Speaker 3: Like he was like an openly gay guy in a
Speaker 3: redneck place who wanted to build this animal park, also
Speaker 3: wanted to be a celebrity, wanted to run, you know,
Speaker 3: to be the president, wanted to release hit singles. I'm like, Wow,
Speaker 3: this guy has so much ambition and he's just going
Speaker 3: for it and there's something about that that I love,
Speaker 3: but it's only I think it's around episode three or
Speaker 3: four when you start to learn more about potential cruelty
Speaker 3: to animals and how he's treating other stuff, And then
Speaker 3: suddenly I remember going, ah ah, okay, I now feel
Speaker 3: like a little bit of an idiot for kind of
Speaker 3: getting sucked into believing. And even if you look online now, like,
Speaker 3: there's still a lot of people who just love him,
Speaker 3: like he's become a meme in a sense, but there's
Speaker 3: a lot of people that are willing to you know,
Speaker 3: he was remorseful for how he treated the animals and
Speaker 3: has a big animal lover like I see that as
Speaker 3: an inexcusable So I can't ever really respect you if
Speaker 3: you would knowingly harm an animal like that. But I
Speaker 3: definitely think that there's a lot of people that just
Speaker 3: love the idea of him. And yeah, he is a flawed.
Speaker 1: Person, Yeah, I mean that that episode where he he's
Speaker 1: tragically his husband dies in his own hand, obviously tragic,
Speaker 1: but when they have the funeral and he sings, he
Speaker 1: sings a song and also talks about his presidential hopes,
Speaker 1: it is my mind was doing kind of backflips and
Speaker 1: kind of a rollercoaster because he's seeing somebody, you know,
Speaker 1: like in pain, but then he and then he's making
Speaker 1: it about him and trying to launch a presidential his
Speaker 1: presidential campaign. Is it's I mean, it's Ricky Gervais, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's you know, it's it's incredible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, it's it's absolute cringe. But and part
Speaker 3: of why the series has been a phenomenon, it's because
Speaker 3: it's real. It's because you know, this actually happened, and
Speaker 3: these people they live their lives like that, and they
Speaker 3: just happen to have cameras on them for all of
Speaker 3: that time. And it happened to be really well produced
Speaker 3: and having to be released as we were going into
Speaker 3: a global pandemics, so people at time in their lives
Speaker 3: and their schedules to watch and to get passionate about
Speaker 3: something and it just blew up. Speaking of cameras on them.
Speaker 3: Twenty four to seven, The Truman Show is it's come
Speaker 3: up a few times as people's favorite films. I watched
Speaker 3: it kind of recently.
Speaker 1: I really liked it when it came out, but up
Speaker 1: until when I watched it recently, I think I appreciate
Speaker 1: of how good or how great it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a movie that I have seen at least
Speaker 3: fifteen times. I still get excited. But I see that
Speaker 3: it's on TV, you know, on a Friday or Saturday,
Speaker 3: i'm home, I will absolutely watch it. It's just it's
Speaker 3: really high concept, I think, considering it's a Hollywood blockbuster
Speaker 3: starring Jim Carey, you know, it's really a high concept
Speaker 3: to communicate this idea of this guy's whole life has
Speaker 3: been fabricated and he's being watched and he's basically a
Speaker 3: TV show and he doesn't know it. And it's a
Speaker 3: high concept movie, but it's delivered in such a way
Speaker 3: that you get it straight away. But then you also
Speaker 3: go on the discovery with him. And I remember, similar
Speaker 3: to when I watched Silence of the Lambs, like things
Speaker 3: stuck with me, things that I thought about in my
Speaker 3: own life after that, like you know, what if cameras
Speaker 3: were on you all the time? Like you just have
Speaker 3: these little thoughts, or when you see the same person
Speaker 3: in your street a couple of times, you automatically think, oh,
Speaker 3: that's like in the Truman Show, when you know he's
Speaker 3: like someone's going to ride around in a bike any second.
Speaker 3: Now and then when he starts to go a little
Speaker 3: bit rogue and the producers have to go like, all right,
Speaker 3: send round the best mate with a six pack of beers,
Speaker 3: and they just crash in on him. And I don't know,
Speaker 3: you're on that journey with him, and I just think
Speaker 3: it's so brilliantly executed, and it's heartbreaking as well, because
Speaker 3: you know, what a life for that guy to live.
Speaker 3: And it also says a lot about the viewers and
Speaker 3: how connected they come to become to him, where they
Speaker 3: feel like he is part of their family. They love him,
Speaker 3: they cry for him, They wanted to be happy, but
Speaker 3: at the same time, how can he ever be happy
Speaker 3: when that's his life? And you know the heartbreaking moment
Speaker 3: when he tries to go out over the water and
Speaker 3: they turn on the weather as a weatherman, obviously that
Speaker 3: connected with me, but then he hits the wall and
Speaker 3: he can't leave, and it's just this soul crushing moment
Speaker 3: where I don't know, you're sitting there and you're like,
Speaker 3: I love this TV show element. I mean, this is
Speaker 3: why we've fallen in love with him. We've been able
Speaker 3: to see his whole life, but he was also a
Speaker 3: human being who deserves a chance to live a normal
Speaker 3: life and get out of this. So I just can't
Speaker 3: speak highly enough of that movie. I think it's an
Speaker 3: absolute ten out of ten for me. There is not
Speaker 3: a scene, not a moment that I would change. I
Speaker 3: love it to bits.
Speaker 1: What I found when I was watching it recently was
Speaker 1: I laughed literally out loud. There should be some kind
Speaker 1: of expression for that laughing out loud. Maybe we can
Speaker 1: come up with him on by the end of the.
Speaker 3: Well, if this is an NRL game, they play some
Speaker 3: sound effects of laughing at some crowds underneath this.
Speaker 1: But what I what I laughed that lad was was
Speaker 1: and you mentioned that the best mate coming like constantly
Speaker 1: coming over with the six pack of beers is just
Speaker 1: so funny all the time, the middle of it, when
Speaker 1: he rocks in the middle of the night with a six.
Speaker 3: It's so true. But then I also think about the
Speaker 3: fact that you know in that world that best mate
Speaker 3: is an actor, and is he like sitting somewhere on
Speaker 3: the standby waiting for a call. How quickly can he
Speaker 3: get to the house, Like does he have to stay
Speaker 3: in a trailer like three doors down from the house.
Speaker 1: That's I think That's what layers that that moment, and
Speaker 1: with so much comedy, is that this sky has yeah,
Speaker 1: basically been you know, woken in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: You know, he's probably got you know, you know, cases
Speaker 1: of beer of six packs in his fridge, you know,
Speaker 1: and he's just going to grab one, and there's a
Speaker 1: hot tail to Druven's house. It's so great and Laura
Speaker 1: Lennie is so good in that movie as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the performance is the story, the execution. I can't
Speaker 3: fault that movie. I can't wait to watch it again.
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's just a masterpiece.
Speaker 6: The closest thing I ever had to a brother, Druman.
Speaker 7: I know, other things.
Speaker 6: I haven't really worked out for either of us, Like
Speaker 6: we used to dream there would I know that feeling
Speaker 6: when it's like everything's slipping away and you don't want
Speaker 6: to believe it, so you you look for answers somewhere else.
Speaker 5: But well, but well, the point is I'd gladly walk
Speaker 5: in front of.
Speaker 7: Traffic for you.
Speaker 6: Well, the point is I would gladly step in front
Speaker 6: of traffic for you, Truman.
Speaker 5: And the last thing I'd ever do is lie to you.
Speaker 6: And the last thing that I would ever do is
Speaker 6: lie to you. Let mean think about dreaming.
Speaker 1: If everybody is in.
Speaker 7: On it, I'd have to be in on it too.
Speaker 7: I'm not in on it, drumman, because there is no end.
Speaker 1: So I saw Hunt for the Wilder People in New Zealand.
Speaker 1: I was over there and doing some stand up and
Speaker 1: caught Hunt for the Wider People. Loved it, loved it
Speaker 1: so much. I came home and took my three boys
Speaker 1: release in the cinema. It's absolutely beauty, isn't it.
Speaker 3: They love it?
Speaker 1: They loved it. Yeah, they genuinely loved it, and I
Speaker 1: think they're now that they're pretty proud of themselves for
Speaker 1: getting on the Taiko w T bandwagon early. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a smugness that comes with that, which is
Speaker 3: why I put it in my top three of all time,
Speaker 3: just to kind of let people know.
Speaker 1: Boy, you want to get really Snowball would be even bigger.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. I've been lucky enough to work with
Speaker 3: quite a few Kiwis as well. I've spent a bit
Speaker 3: of time in New Zealand. I hosted a show actually,
Speaker 3: the first year that I started on Sunrise, I hosted
Speaker 3: a show that went to air in Australia but was
Speaker 3: produced by a New Zealand production company. So we shoot
Speaker 3: it in Auckland and it was like a comedy panel
Speaker 3: show and it was called The Best Bits or bis
Speaker 3: Butts as they would call it. And it meant that
Speaker 3: I got to work with this guys like Josh Thompson,
Speaker 3: who does the project New Zealand.
Speaker 1: Is it's in my chair in the New Zealand Project.
Speaker 1: He doesn't do it anymore. He left about three years in,
Speaker 1: I think focus on some acting because he was getting
Speaker 1: act He's in a Monkey TV series, Monkey Magic, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's in an upcoming episode and by the time
Speaker 1: this goes out, the episode of avert but I got
Speaker 1: him over to do an episode of How to Stay Married.
Speaker 1: A very funny, very funny and lovely bloke.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the nicest guys you'll meet and super
Speaker 3: super funny, And so I got to sit and work
Speaker 3: with him on this show and their production company, and
Speaker 3: I don't know, it just gave me an even bigger
Speaker 3: appreciation of New Zealand has its own nuance in comedy.
Speaker 3: You know, Flight of the Concourse obviously gone global and
Speaker 3: you know, and then yeah, what Tiger's doing with movies
Speaker 3: like this. So yeah, I've really always really enjoyed the
Speaker 3: nuance of Kiwi humor and my sister's actually Key which
Speaker 3: was born born in Wellington. So yeah, I've always had
Speaker 3: this affinity with New Zealand. And I remember watching Hunt
Speaker 3: for the Wilder People for the first time, watch it
Speaker 3: by myself, and like you were talking before about laughing
Speaker 3: out loud, I remember I was sitting alone, but like crying,
Speaker 3: like lat tears of laughter. It just I think I
Speaker 3: went into it with not low expectations, but just kind
Speaker 3: of like I'll check this out. Little did I know
Speaker 3: that I was going to be just so affected in
Speaker 3: a positive way and just on a high after. And
Speaker 3: then I almost took it on as my mission to
Speaker 3: tell people to watch it, Like I became that guy's like, no,
Speaker 3: you've got to see this. I'd send people the links
Speaker 3: to it. I started working in marketing for them. Basically,
Speaker 3: I just loved it so much, and I think, put simply,
Speaker 3: it's absolutely bonkers, like the storyline is so ridiculous, but
Speaker 3: it's also got a heart and it's beautiful at moments.
Speaker 3: The performance is an incredible Sam Neil of course and
Speaker 3: Julian Dennison, and I just think that again, the comedic
Speaker 3: twists and the willingness to go somewhere where you probably
Speaker 3: shouldn't for a laugh, or for a joke that they
Speaker 3: had in that movie. Again, I've watched it multiple times
Speaker 3: and I prefer it over Jojo Rabbit, but I also
Speaker 3: love that, and there's definitely similarities between the two and
Speaker 3: the style of humor. But yeah, that I can't wait
Speaker 3: to watch whatever he does next because he's got his
Speaker 3: own he's got that style and his comedy absolutely translates,
Speaker 3: and I'm really excited for Kiwi's like to get that
Speaker 3: humor out to the world. It's really exciting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've been able to capture their humor on screen,
Speaker 1: I think more successfully than Australians have. I think I
Speaker 1: think if you you know, Crocodile, Dundee and Mirror's Wedding,
Speaker 1: The Castle or Great or Great films, but all very
Speaker 1: and very different films. But the Kiwis seem to have
Speaker 1: been able to bottle their essence more regularly than the
Speaker 1: Nazis have. I think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I mean I think that it's interesting you
Speaker 3: say the Castle, because I definitely felt like this feels
Speaker 3: like their version of the as in their The Castle
Speaker 3: movie like the one that works locally. But I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know how well The Castle did internationally, but
Speaker 3: you know, obviously it's really highly regarded by Ossie's. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I think that that movie is is one that absolutely
Speaker 3: absolutely translates internationally. I don't know how much money it's made,
Speaker 3: how big it is, but you know, I would happily
Speaker 3: send that to an English friend or an American friend
Speaker 3: and say, have a look at this. If you've got
Speaker 3: a decent grasp of human and a bit of a reverence,
Speaker 3: then it's it's I don't know, I just I love
Speaker 3: it when you see it's a big movie. Still, when
Speaker 3: you see big movies that don't have to how do
Speaker 3: I put it, like the comedy, the humor, the jokes
Speaker 3: doesn't always have to be as big as the budget.
Speaker 3: And a lot of movies are like that, a lot
Speaker 3: of Hollywood comedy blockbusters, like you know, they can still
Speaker 3: be funny, but it's a different type of funny. I
Speaker 3: felt that that The Hunt of the Wilder People had
Speaker 3: nuanced humor, had like small jokes, tiny jokes, quick jokes.
Speaker 3: They don't all have to be like big. You know,
Speaker 3: doubled over jokes. Sometimes they just they just move through them,
Speaker 3: and if you get them, you get them. If you don't,
Speaker 3: you don't.
Speaker 4: You know, sometimes in life seems like there's no way out,
Speaker 4: like a sheep chapped in amaze designed by wolves. And
Speaker 4: you know that if you ever in that situation, there's
Speaker 4: always two doors to choose from and through. The first door, Oh,
Speaker 4: it's easy to get through that, and on the other
Speaker 4: side waiting for you all the numbie's treats. You can
Speaker 4: imagine Fanta Dorito's, l MP, burger rings, coke zero. But
Speaker 4: you know what, there's also another door, not the burger
Speaker 4: ring door, not the fence door, another door that's hard
Speaker 4: at the get through.
Speaker 1: I guess what's on the other side.
Speaker 4: Anyone want to take a gift.
Speaker 5: Feegetables.
Speaker 3: I love that type of comedy. I love that type
Speaker 3: of entertainment. So yeah, I'm one hundred percent excited to
Speaker 3: watch whatever whatever they do next.
Speaker 1: Well, Tiger's actually I mean, we'll get on Mengols very soon.
Speaker 1: But Tiger's writing and I think directing, uh either the
Speaker 1: next Door one of the next Star Wars films. Yes,
Speaker 1: line so, and there's a part of me that's so
Speaker 1: thrilled that when I read that, I was so excited
Speaker 1: that's happening. The slight downside to that is that we
Speaker 1: may miss out on the next Jojo Rabbit. You know,
Speaker 1: that's going to take his energy and focus, so it
Speaker 1: might be a bit longer than until the next you know,
Speaker 1: because I imagine he's also making a thaw the next thaw
Speaker 1: ye with him, So I, yeah, that's the that's the
Speaker 1: only downside. But I'm completely thrilled that he's on board
Speaker 1: the that's true.
Speaker 3: It's a fair point, you know. I can't imagine him
Speaker 3: doing a pedophile joke in a Star Wars movie, Like
Speaker 3: I just had that in my mind because there is
Speaker 3: one scene where they do make one of those jokes,
Speaker 3: which ordinarily you would go that is no, no, no,
Speaker 3: But the way that it's delivered and the reason they
Speaker 3: make that joke in Hunt for the World of People,
Speaker 3: I remember just like physically being affected by the execution
Speaker 3: of that joke and just oh my goodness. So yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a change of pace between Style Wars. But if
Speaker 3: anyone can do it, he can.
Speaker 1: Let's talk, men, girls, what did you make? I really
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. I love Tina Fey. So that's part of
Speaker 1: why I picked it. So when we first spoke about
Speaker 1: coming on your show, I remember you saying to me,
Speaker 1: you know, pick here.
Speaker 3: You sent me a list. You pick something that you know,
Speaker 3: you've heard of a bit, or you've always wondered about
Speaker 3: or just never got around to seeing. And the reason
Speaker 3: I picked Mean Girls was because I almost feel like
Speaker 3: I know it without having seen it. And I think
Speaker 3: there's a lot of movies that are like that. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of movies that just infiltrate pop culture in
Speaker 3: a way that you know the lead character, you know
Speaker 3: a couple of the quotes from the movie, you know
Speaker 3: the gist of what happened, and you haven't even seen it.
Speaker 3: So there's some movies and I feel that Mean Girls
Speaker 3: is one of those movies. But I've you know, catchphrases
Speaker 3: from it and quotes from it, and a number of times.
Speaker 3: And everyone would have this a number of times with
Speaker 3: friends when they find out that I haven't seen it.
Speaker 3: There like you can feel the disappointment and you can
Speaker 3: feel you can see it in their eyes, and you
Speaker 3: can feel that if there was a button, they would
Speaker 3: literally unfriend you on the spot. So there's inherent pressure
Speaker 3: that comes with that, and I've had that over a
Speaker 3: number of years. I've had so many friends like, how
Speaker 3: can you you, Of all people, you should have you
Speaker 3: loved seeing a Fae, you should have seen this movie.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I was bullied into watching this movie and
Speaker 3: you just had to legitimize it by making a podcast
Speaker 3: based on it. But I really enjoyed it, I must
Speaker 3: be honest. Part of why I probably hadn't watched it
Speaker 3: beforehand was it felt like from the little snippets that
Speaker 3: I'd seen, and like the little shots, I knew that
Speaker 3: it'd be funny and all that kind of thing. It
Speaker 3: felt like a chick flick in a way. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe that was just a misinterpretation of me because it
Speaker 3: was so pink, it was so like girls at high
Speaker 3: school and bitchiness that it just didn't feel like my
Speaker 3: normal style of what I would love to watch. And
Speaker 3: definitely that's a big part of the movie. But you know,
Speaker 3: it's a comedy and it made me laugh, and that's
Speaker 3: the job of a comedy. I would say that it
Speaker 3: was possibly a bit predictable, but that's okay, Like it's
Speaker 3: not all about the plot. It's about you know, how
Speaker 3: did you feel watching the movie? And I laughed, and
Speaker 3: I've got a few little take home points from it,
Speaker 3: and I enjoyed it, So yeah, I thought it was
Speaker 3: predictable that you could tell right from the start she's
Speaker 3: going to become one of those girls and it's got
Speaker 3: to backfire on her. She's going to become one of
Speaker 3: the plastics, you know, the good looking girls who are
Speaker 3: a bit bitchy and who you know, everyone wants to
Speaker 3: be like them. You could tell that she was going
Speaker 3: to become one, and you also knew straight away what's
Speaker 3: going to happen when you becomes one. It's going to backfire.
Speaker 3: It's not going to work for her. There's going to
Speaker 3: be some sort of message about being true to yourself
Speaker 3: and you don't have to be like that group. So
Speaker 3: I could see that from a mile off. But I
Speaker 3: laughed and I enjoyed it, and I like the characters,
Speaker 3: and yeah, how did you feel about it? Well?
Speaker 1: I saw it when it was released in two thousand
Speaker 1: and field. Some of us are busy peak. I saw
Speaker 1: it for work, so snap, I was doing radio and
Speaker 1: breakfast radio, and so saw it for that because we
Speaker 1: interviewed Tina Feye, which I must say at the time
Speaker 1: I was excited about. But if I got to interview
Speaker 1: Tina Fae, now I would be excited, you know, tenfold.
Speaker 1: I've got to know, up until that point, I knew
Speaker 1: she was on Saturday Night Live. She was the first
Speaker 1: female head writer I've Saturday Night Live. You know, we
Speaker 1: said it, not live. I'm sure your relationship, we said
Speaker 1: it Saturday Night Live. But in Australia, I think we
Speaker 1: just tend to see the clips of it. You know,
Speaker 1: nobody really, very few biople I know, really watch it,
Speaker 1: you know, as far as episodically. We just kind of
Speaker 1: you know, if if a sketch catches fire and goes viral,
Speaker 1: we tend.
Speaker 3: To catch exactly the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I've definitely enjoyed and laughed at a lot of moments
Speaker 3: from it, but that's over what twenty thirty years whatever
Speaker 3: it is, Like, I'm not someone who sit down and
Speaker 3: watch a full episode of it, like, but there's definitely
Speaker 3: glory is and some of Will Ferrell's performances, and you know,
Speaker 3: there's some amazing stuff. But I also, to be blunt, like,
Speaker 3: found a lot of it hit and miss, but that
Speaker 3: that's comedy.
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, absolutely particalarly sketch comedy. I think sketch
Speaker 1: comedy almost needs to be hit and miss a bit,
Speaker 1: otherwise you you maybe playing a little bit too safe.
Speaker 1: But so I saw Me and Girls, you know, and
Speaker 1: and a bit like you, albeit sixteen years earlier. Was
Speaker 1: a bit like, what's this going to be? You know?
Speaker 1: Is it? You know? I think I knew what I
Speaker 1: was going to see, and I was. It was just
Speaker 1: one of those lovely, bloody surprises that you get sometimes
Speaker 1: with movies where you go in a bit like you
Speaker 1: with Hunt for the Wider People. I went with so,
Speaker 1: you know, not low expectations, but just think this, I'm
Speaker 1: sure this would be okay, And I thought it really funny,
Speaker 1: really clever, and I really enjoyed it. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: really I think it's one of my favorite high school movies.
Speaker 1: Probably Breakfast Club would be the number one, and that's
Speaker 1: probably because also when I watched Breakfast Club, I was
Speaker 1: probably at the age, you know, roughly the age of
Speaker 1: those kids, maybe a little bit younger, so it kind
Speaker 1: of felt like it spoke to me. But Me and Girls,
Speaker 1: I think I can't think of many films that were
Speaker 1: Trump Me and girls. Outside of the Breakfast Club. There's
Speaker 1: a great movie a year or two ago that Olivia
Speaker 1: Wilde directed called Book Smart, which was a really really
Speaker 1: great out of high school movie. But yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean the high school movies speak to you.
Speaker 3: Well, I've seen good and I've seen bad, so I
Speaker 3: don't really Yeah, I wouldn't say that I don't like
Speaker 3: high school movies. You know. I happened to see Greece
Speaker 3: was on TV on the other side, sound like, who
Speaker 3: just watched Yeah, Sam can't afford Netflix. Greece was on
Speaker 3: Channel seven obviously, just the other week, and I watched
Speaker 3: it with my girlfriend and I hadn't seen Greece for
Speaker 3: about I think a decade. But I loved it. I
Speaker 3: loved it. It was some parts of it were so dated,
Speaker 3: but that's a school movie, really, you know. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: I found it funny and found it crass, and I
Speaker 3: think what made it extracrass was thinking about what year
Speaker 3: this was released, in the era that it was released,
Speaker 3: and how shocking that would have been at the time,
Speaker 3: which which makes it go wow, they really took some
Speaker 3: risks with this because I just you just have it
Speaker 3: in your mind as grease. It's a fluffy all time
Speaker 3: classic you don't think about Oh wow, some of the
Speaker 3: jokes were pretty edgy. Some of the topics were quite severe. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: I've seen good and bad high school movies. I think
Speaker 3: definitely Mean Girls would fall into the good category. I
Speaker 3: think that I was reading a quote Tina Bay was
Speaker 3: talking about it and said something to the effect of
Speaker 3: part of what she thinks it connected with people through
Speaker 3: was a lot of young kids were watching it and
Speaker 3: they could just kind of identify with that's what that's
Speaker 3: what such and such is like a school, That's what
Speaker 3: I'm like, And they just got caught up in the
Speaker 3: drama of it all, and they really like felt it
Speaker 3: because that's their life, whereas older people could watch it
Speaker 3: and appreciate it for the jokes and how silly it
Speaker 3: was and and you know, I used to be like that,
Speaker 3: and that mum, you know Amy Polar characterism. That's hilarious,
Speaker 3: that Amy Polar character is the mum you know, like
Speaker 3: laughing at that kind of thing. So and that's part
Speaker 3: of obviously why I had that broad, two pronged appeal.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's it's very funny. It's something that I
Speaker 3: would watch again. There's there's enough laughs in it, and
Speaker 3: there's a few nice little moments and points in it,
Speaker 3: and and yeah, and it's it's quite out there, I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it is just I was gonna say, peppered
Speaker 1: with jokes, but it's probably not doing it enough justice,
Speaker 1: Like there are so many jokes in it, Like Tina Fey,
Speaker 1: let's just make so many smart, funny choices in in
Speaker 1: this movie. Even when Lindsey Lohan these Katie's giving her
Speaker 1: final speech, which is you know, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: in these kind of high school movies, there's going to
Speaker 1: be a speech at the end the graduation or a
Speaker 1: prom and Katie's given the speech and it's a lovely speech,
Speaker 1: but she's seen her face smart enough to make sure
Speaker 1: there's jokes in there. So Tim Meadows as the high
Speaker 1: school principle, coming in and saying, you, seriously, people usually
Speaker 1: just take their prize and leave.
Speaker 6: Why is everybody stressing over this thing?
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just plastic.
Speaker 6: It's really just.
Speaker 1: Sure, a piece for Gretchen winners, a partial sprinkling queen,
Speaker 1: a piece for janis Ian.
Speaker 5: Seriously, most people just take the crown and go.
Speaker 3: He he was a standout. I don't know much about
Speaker 3: him Tim Meadows is that that was playing the principal.
Speaker 3: So what else has he been in, because there were
Speaker 3: a couple of moments that I just really loved his performance.
Speaker 1: Tim Meadows is a Saturday Night Live alumni. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: this was also produced by Lord Michaels, who's obviously the
Speaker 1: emperor of Saturday Night Live. So and obviously had Amy Poehler,
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, and tin Face. So there's and he
Speaker 1: he's he's in a lot of stuff. Tim Meadows. He's
Speaker 1: actually in no activity at the moment with Patty Bramle
Speaker 1: in the in the States. And I was watching Tim
Speaker 1: Meadows last time. I'm glad you brought him up because
Speaker 1: it's really funny. He's always funny. Tim Meadows. I've never
Speaker 1: been I never quite worked out why in the world.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, it's respectfully like with Will Ferrell,
Speaker 1: who I think is arguing with the funniest person in
Speaker 1: the world. Yep, it just kind of you know, subqucially,
Speaker 1: you can just kind of see what he's doing and
Speaker 1: or or he's got his go to things Tim Meadows,
Speaker 1: and yeah, Will for all this makes you laugh just
Speaker 1: looking at him. You know that gets him funny air.
Speaker 1: And you know, Tim Meadows is a handsome dude. Doesn't
Speaker 1: have a funny face as such. He's a handsome dude,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't he doesn't do whacking things with his voice,
Speaker 1: but he's just something I can't quite figure that.
Speaker 3: I agree. I mean, I don't know many of the
Speaker 3: other movies and roles that he's had, but just judging
Speaker 3: him on mean Girls, I agree with you. He is very,
Speaker 3: very funny. I think what I found funny about him
Speaker 3: is because he is understated, because he doesn't need to
Speaker 3: tell you that it's a joke a lot of the time.
Speaker 3: And obviously the writing's good, but he's almost expressionless when
Speaker 3: he's making the jokes, which is not a very American
Speaker 3: way of being generally. I find that American performances are
Speaker 3: much bigger and like, you know, a bit more in
Speaker 3: your face and here's the joke and you know this
Speaker 3: is crazy, whereas he almost maybe has a bit more
Speaker 3: of a British sensibility to him, where it's a little
Speaker 3: bit like you've got to go to him to find
Speaker 3: the joke rather than him giving it to you. But
Speaker 3: it's also clever, clever writing. You know, like, well, you
Speaker 3: know the scene. There's a scene where there's just anarchy
Speaker 3: at the school, like the book has got out, which
Speaker 3: has all the secrets and nasty things about all the students,
Speaker 3: and literally the students maybe the girls are all just fighting,
Speaker 3: pulling hair. It's going wild. And they cut to him,
Speaker 3: the principal in the office, and the first thing he
Speaker 3: does is grabs a baseball bat. It's just such they've
Speaker 3: just had so many misdirections with his character, but you
Speaker 3: just believe it, like all right, and he takes the
Speaker 3: baseball out and he actually hits the fire alarm thing.
Speaker 3: You're like, ah, okay, okay, cool, I get it, but
Speaker 3: just he delivers it with ease as well. The other
Speaker 3: bit that I love from him, I think around that time,
Speaker 3: the same part that you were talking about whether they're
Speaker 3: giving the speetures he was talking about he said something.
Speaker 3: It was a really big classic Hollywood movie build up
Speaker 3: moment where like the music starts to go and he's
Speaker 3: like he's threatening the students, and he's like and da, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: if you don't pull yourselves into line, if you don't
Speaker 3: know this, and we will, you know, will cancel the
Speaker 3: spring Fling, which is their big dance, and then he goes, actually,
Speaker 3: I can't do that. I've already paid for the DJ,
Speaker 3: and I just it's such a stupid joke. It's so stupid,
Speaker 3: and it's one of those jokes that I'm sure in
Speaker 3: many Hollywood, in many big budget movies would not get
Speaker 3: past the writer's room, Like they would find it funny
Speaker 3: in the writer's room, but they would go, nah, no,
Speaker 3: we're not doing that. But to have they're basically parodying,
Speaker 3: you know, those big build up Hollywood moments. But to
Speaker 3: have that total misdirection of the fact that I've paid
Speaker 3: some DJ two hundred bucks is the only reason that
Speaker 3: he's not going to cancel the spring. I just thought
Speaker 3: that was that's my sense of humor.
Speaker 1: That it's so funny. That's that's my favorite scene in
Speaker 1: the movie. I think that is the best scene in
Speaker 1: the movie. So yeah, so that it turns on the
Speaker 1: sprinklers that the cart, you know, that makesually he's trying
Speaker 1: cold water on this you know, this riot and then
Speaker 1: and then he's taking his shirt off in the next day,
Speaker 1: so he's in this John McClain singlers and and he's
Speaker 1: been the tough guy, he's got the baseball, he's got
Speaker 1: he's got the baseball bat. And and like you said,
Speaker 1: like we said, it's just making sure there's jokes all
Speaker 1: the way through it. And you mentioned something which you know,
Speaker 1: it's taking the piss of what usually happens in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: And you're absolutely correct. So there's all these tropes that
Speaker 1: most movies will you know, the tropes exist because they work,
Speaker 1: you know. But what what you know, I think clever
Speaker 1: writing does, particularly in comedies, is to recognize the trope
Speaker 1: and kind of you know this, it's a bit of
Speaker 1: a wink to the audience to kind of say, we
Speaker 1: know this is a trope and and we know, like
Speaker 1: when what I mentioned earlier, when he says to Lindsay
Speaker 1: Lowe and you know, usually people don't make a speech,
Speaker 1: you know, like that's that's recognizing what we're doing right
Speaker 1: now is a trope that you've seen many times, that
Speaker 1: we are gonna you know, subvert it.
Speaker 3: I agree. I think you're right, and I think they
Speaker 3: also do it to a degree where it doesn't take
Speaker 3: too much time and it doesn't take away from the
Speaker 3: you know, the younger audience who were just talking about before,
Speaker 3: who just are identifying with these characters because they're at
Speaker 3: school and they know the bitch and they know the
Speaker 3: nice person, and so it doesn't take away from their
Speaker 3: experience too much. So it might be a three second thing.
Speaker 3: It might be a little nod. It might be, but
Speaker 3: it's something for the other, the older audience. I think
Speaker 3: it's kind of like version of The Simpsons. You know,
Speaker 3: you could be an intellectual. You can sit down and
Speaker 3: watch The Simpsons and you can enjoy how clever the
Speaker 3: writing is and the references to Shakespeare. Or you could
Speaker 3: be sitting there with your old kid who laughs because
Speaker 3: Homer gets hit in the head by a basketball, do
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
Speaker 7: Like the.
Speaker 3: It's it's executed in a way that both both parties
Speaker 3: are happy and it doesn't take away from either of them.
Speaker 3: It's kind of every everyone's happy. So I think that
Speaker 3: was what was really clever about how they managed to
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 1: That scene when he's he's making the speech and eventually
Speaker 1: one of the girls says, somebody wrote in that book
Speaker 1: that I'm lying about being a virgin because I use
Speaker 1: super jumbo tampons.
Speaker 7: But I can't help it if I've got a heavy
Speaker 7: flow and a wide set vagina.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't do this. When she mentioned the white
Speaker 1: zep Vagihina of the heavy Fly, that's his cute to
Speaker 1: get out, and and he hands over to the Tina
Speaker 1: Fey's characters Norberg I think her name is, and then
Speaker 1: he's basically delivering the sermon of the film. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a this is a great movie.
Speaker 7: This.
Speaker 1: I have three boys, and I'm going to highly recommend
Speaker 1: that they watch it. But if I if I had girls,
Speaker 1: I would I would make them watch this film. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a this is a really strong messaged film.
Speaker 1: Tina Fey is always reliable to put the good vibes
Speaker 1: out and not make it, you know, a chore. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is this is a really strong feminist film. It's
Speaker 1: it's got the you know, the you know. It talks
Speaker 1: about women dumbing themselves down to please men, you know,
Speaker 1: and and and the speech she gives again is really
Speaker 1: strong on message. But again it's got jokes all the
Speaker 1: way through it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. I'm the great example of that is
Speaker 3: is Lindsay Lohan's character. Yeah, like you said, dumbing herself down.
Speaker 3: She's really good at maths and the guy that she
Speaker 3: thinks is hot Aaron Samuels. She pretends that she's struggling
Speaker 3: with maths just so she's got a reason to talk
Speaker 3: to him. But they're so aware of it in their execution,
Speaker 3: and you know, credit to Tina Faith, there's so aware
Speaker 3: of it in the execution that when he turns around,
Speaker 3: you know, with his hair flowing and starts to tell her,
Speaker 3: like how to do the massing, the voiceover is going wrong,
Speaker 3: like telling him that he's getting it wrong, as you know.
Speaker 3: But obviously she's still just like looking at him, just
Speaker 3: in awe of his you know, how attractive she is
Speaker 3: to him. But they're in the end that whole method
Speaker 3: of hers, of trying to dumb herself down so she'd
Speaker 3: get more time with him, does not work. So you're right,
Speaker 3: that is a that is a good lesson for young
Speaker 3: boys and girls, like, you know, don't dumb yourself down.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's not all it's not all just for fun.
Speaker 3: But but I think when they do those those those
Speaker 3: learning points or those you know, potential serious take homes,
Speaker 3: they still do it in a way that's entertaining and
Speaker 3: funny for the most part. So it's not one of
Speaker 3: those earnest. Everyone sit around, We're going to learn something
Speaker 3: for three minutes. It's not that which can be really
Speaker 3: tedious in Tina Fay though a little bit off topic,
Speaker 3: but she she looks exactly the same now in two
Speaker 3: thousand and three like she aged in seventeen years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's there's I think there's six people in the
Speaker 1: world who just have to don't age, and Tina Fey
Speaker 1: is one of them.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I've aged more during Corona than she's aged in that
Speaker 3: seventeen years.
Speaker 1: I've more during this podcast than.
Speaker 3: Getting someone in my ears saying rapping. We don't even
Speaker 3: have to producer, so we told about chance. What's going on.
Speaker 1: What's interesting about me girls is it's based on a
Speaker 1: book called Queen Bees and Wanna Bees and and I'm
Speaker 1: a bit confused how this happened. So Tina Fay brought
Speaker 1: the rights to this book and this is probably this
Speaker 1: and this is what I read about. So I feel
Speaker 1: like it's been confused and then conveyed as facts. And
Speaker 1: I'm going to call bullshit on it because what I
Speaker 1: read was that Tina Fey bought the rights or got
Speaker 1: how paramount to buy the rights to this book, which
Speaker 1: is based on But this book is like an instructional
Speaker 1: kind of manual for parents with teenage daughters. It has
Speaker 1: no narrative at all.
Speaker 3: Okay, so what type of instructions would it? Does it
Speaker 3: teach like just about how to behave at school or friends?
Speaker 1: Or I think I think it's aimed that. I'm sure
Speaker 1: it's aimed at dealing with you know, bullying and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, peer pressure and that kind of stuff. But
Speaker 1: what I find it intriguing is that if this was true,
Speaker 1: that why would Tina Babe, you know, lobby for the
Speaker 1: rights to a book obviously without having read it, like
Speaker 1: and then and then and then this movie is based
Speaker 1: on it, but it's got no Well, it sounds like
Speaker 1: a massive a bit of a fuck up, to be honest,
Speaker 1: because I would love to know how it actually it
Speaker 1: did happen, because you know, what I read was on
Speaker 1: I m b D that Tina Fey got the right
Speaker 1: with paramount. I think it's paramount, and and then was like,
Speaker 1: hang on this hat, this hasn't got It sounds absurd
Speaker 1: because yeah, she's basically written in original scripts, but obviously
Speaker 1: has to then credit this Queen Bees and Wanna Bees.
Speaker 3: It doesn't feel like it's based on a book. I mean,
Speaker 3: I haven't read that book, but but it's yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't know, I mean I think that, like you said,
Speaker 3: it feels like it's an original screenplay. And perhaps she
Speaker 3: took a couple of the themes, but still, why would
Speaker 3: you need to buy the rights if you just take
Speaker 3: a couple of themes, Like they're pretty obvious, like well known,
Speaker 3: well documented themes like bullying, like you know, trying to
Speaker 3: be cool to the other kids at school, doing the
Speaker 3: right thing, Like they are universal themes that you don't
Speaker 3: need to Maybe a friend wrote that book and she
Speaker 3: wanted to get a sweet payday from Paramount.
Speaker 1: Part of me felt a bit sad watching this because
Speaker 1: this was Lindsay Loewand like easily best film, you know,
Speaker 1: apologies to a Freakie Friday and Herbie loaded crowd. But
Speaker 1: I kind of looked at what she did afterwards, and
Speaker 1: she did to be honest outside of appearances as herself,
Speaker 1: and it's not a lot. The best thing she probably
Speaker 1: did after this was in the ensemble Emilio Estevez's ensemble
Speaker 1: film Bobby, about the assassination of Bobby Kennedy, and that
Speaker 1: was you know that was that was an ensemble cart
Speaker 1: so she was, you know, one part of a larger thing.
Speaker 1: But it's kind of she really did go off the
Speaker 1: rails after this, and it's because she's so good in
Speaker 1: this film.
Speaker 3: Well, she speaks very highly of the movie and Lindsay Lohander,
Speaker 3: and she has on a number of occasions and even
Speaker 3: at the time was really passionate about wanting to do
Speaker 3: a second one at the time. So she obviously, yeah,
Speaker 3: felt that it was so well received. She performed really
Speaker 3: well in it, So yeah, I think it feels like
Speaker 3: that was sadly heard her peak and then if she
Speaker 3: had a big number of personal problems after that, didn't she?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she ended up working with Hughsey. I mean, really, really.
Speaker 3: That's a combo you never thought you'd see, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I know when I when I found out that Matt
Speaker 1: Hughsey was wegging with Lindsay Lowe and on the Masked Singer,
Speaker 1: it was it was I laughed. The days I really did.
Speaker 1: The plastics are great. This is, of course, is the
Speaker 1: movie that introduced us to the Ragiel McAdams. Who is
Speaker 1: the villain, I guess Regina George and she's fantastic in this. Uh,
Speaker 1: Lacey Chabertbert, I'm not sure s I'm not sure how
Speaker 1: to pronounce her surname. She's fantastic in this as well.
Speaker 1: I really knew her from Party of Five, which I watched,
Speaker 1: but I remember being in that and also it introduced
Speaker 1: as to Amanda sci Fi, Freed and Roy. I. Obviously
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have to play her name because she she
Speaker 1: she's done some stuff. I'm not a huge Muma Mer fan,
Speaker 1: to be honest.
Speaker 3: So Freedom's Blog, Well, what's your problem with it? Are
Speaker 3: we going to start a few here? I don't even
Speaker 3: know what you're talking about it, Like I'm watching SBS.
Speaker 3: I just thought we were going to talk about the movie, mate,
Speaker 3: I didn't realize you're going to read all the cast memphids.
Speaker 3: How you fill out the last ten minutes of the podcast?
Speaker 1: The extras were you know man on bus, No, the
Speaker 1: plastics were the plastics were were really well cast. And
Speaker 1: I think I think Rachel McAdams, who after this went
Speaker 1: on to do obviously wedding crashes, I think the year
Speaker 1: after is just fantastic in this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're very believable and and I think even if
Speaker 3: even if the version of it at your school is
Speaker 3: not as extreme that every school. Every group has that,
Speaker 3: you know, a version of that, and even for guys
Speaker 3: as well, like there's there's a guy version of that.
Speaker 3: You know, there's the group who are the popular ones,
Speaker 3: who are the successful ones, the good looking ones, and
Speaker 3: then there's all the others. So that universal theme is
Speaker 3: obviously strong. And yeah, they I think they nailed that,
Speaker 3: And I really enjoyed all of their other subgroups as well.
Speaker 3: I thought that was a really funny sort of introduction
Speaker 3: to the movie when they went through all the different
Speaker 3: you know, the attractive Asians. You know, they had all
Speaker 3: these different groups really really sharp, really funny. This map
Speaker 3: shows the school's central nervous system of the cafeteria.
Speaker 1: You got your cool Asian spurnounce jocks, the greatest people
Speaker 1: you will ever meet, and the worst.
Speaker 4: So you've never been to a real school before.
Speaker 5: Shut up, Shut up.
Speaker 1: We watched The Castle with Sam Pang, who hadn't seen
Speaker 1: it controversially hadn't seen it considering he works with working
Speaker 1: dog uh and and they do a similar thing with
Speaker 1: Darryl Kerrigan or Dale Carrigan. Actually Steve Curry setting up
Speaker 1: what the house means and and the family and and
Speaker 1: and there's all these lovely little vignettes that they that
Speaker 1: they do and it's a really great format because it
Speaker 1: gives you an opportunity to the layer it with jokes,
Speaker 1: but also go this is, this is our geography, this
Speaker 1: is you know, these are the people who populate it.
Speaker 1: And and it's you're right, it's really it's really funny
Speaker 1: in this.
Speaker 3: It also moves the story and it moves the setups
Speaker 3: along super fast. Rather than have scenes play out, you're
Speaker 3: just getting like shopping lists, but like you say, with jokes,
Speaker 3: visual jokes, but also written jokes. And yeah, it's a
Speaker 3: really clever I think they used that very very well. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I do remember that from The Castles and Castle. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's probably my favorite Australian film, definitely top three. So
Speaker 3: what did Sam think of The Castle?
Speaker 1: Oh? He loved it. I mean he was typically Sam.
Speaker 1: He would give a compliment and then give him a
Speaker 1: slap but with his tongue fen planet in his cheek now,
Speaker 1: but he genuinely loved it. And you know, I think
Speaker 1: it stands up really well, particularly do you know people
Speaker 1: of our generation, it's it's yeah, it's a classic and
Speaker 1: highly recommended. There's only one part of this film, which
Speaker 1: again is a bit of a trope in movies that
Speaker 1: I thought was a very small weak spot of the
Speaker 1: you understand why it's necessary. There was the moment where
Speaker 1: who's the hot guy Aaron Samuels supers, Yeah, no judgment.
Speaker 1: So there he's about the hook up with Katie Lindsay Lowen.
Speaker 1: They're on the bed, she's had a few drinks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're about to make out. Yeah, we assume, and Katie,
Speaker 1: because he's had a few drinks, admits to lying about
Speaker 1: matts and then he takes offense to this and they
Speaker 1: get into a fight. I just don't know a bloke
Speaker 1: in the world actually be that offended that they're going to,
Speaker 1: you know, refuse what's about to happen.
Speaker 3: You make a really good point if you are, well,
Speaker 3: he would have been seventeen, so year eleven or whatever.
Speaker 1: He is in.
Speaker 3: A girl's bedroom. It's just the two of them, they're alone. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that is not the time you'd expecting to take a
Speaker 3: mumble high ground on anything.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if she said, you know, I
Speaker 1: kill animals for fun, Yeah, get out of there, Get
Speaker 1: out of there. She doesn't deserve. You say that your
Speaker 1: offended because she lied about being bad at matt'sh That
Speaker 1: didn't quite cut up for me.
Speaker 3: And they ended up together as well, didn't they. Which
Speaker 3: I wasn't sold on that that there was a happy ending.
Speaker 3: I didn't think they were right for each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you know, it's interesting, actually you kind of
Speaker 1: I wonder if they were the Rid in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: whether Tina Fey would maybe have them together. I think
Speaker 1: it might be even a stronger message to say that
Speaker 1: they didn't need to be together. You know. That's I
Speaker 1: think we're seeing a lot more of that where the
Speaker 1: ending isn't that the girl gets the boy. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen to be Yeah, the girl chooses her friends,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, or you know, herself over the
Speaker 1: over the boy. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The other thing that I was a bit disappointed with
Speaker 3: was Regina the nasty head plastic when liddy Land's character
Speaker 3: very cleverly gave her the Swedish protein bars to help
Speaker 3: her lose weight, and obviously they were making her game weight.
Speaker 3: I was expecting there was going to be this scene
Speaker 3: where she was just the size of a house because
Speaker 3: she'd been eating nots I was really hoping. I just
Speaker 3: thought it's going to be predictable. But I'm going to
Speaker 3: laugh at that, and that didn't come. So I was
Speaker 3: a little bit dumb that that didn't eventuate as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was there was a subtle, a subtlettle gut
Speaker 1: pouch that, yeah, you had.
Speaker 3: It wasn't enough. I want more.
Speaker 1: You're expecting Buena Pultro in shallow Hell, yeah, that's just
Speaker 1: before before we up. I think Australians and you know,
Speaker 1: I know doubt people around the world enjoy watching American
Speaker 1: high school movies because it feels so it's familiar to
Speaker 1: a degree, because you know, we all go to school
Speaker 1: and there's there's certain things that correlate, but it also
Speaker 1: feels quite foreign and away, you know, to us, there
Speaker 1: are certain things. It seems to be much clickier than
Speaker 1: certainly when I went to school. How are your school
Speaker 1: years and how do you view You know that the
Speaker 1: compare the Australian school experience of the American film experience
Speaker 1: that we received via movies.
Speaker 3: Well, I definitely wasn't the Aaron Samuels of my school.
Speaker 3: Come on, I'm shocked. Yeah, I agree, very different. I
Speaker 3: think that I don't know whether this is true or
Speaker 3: whether they just amplify it for movies, but they're always
Speaker 3: so blinded and so passionate about the schools in a
Speaker 3: sense that like they wear the uniforms with the names
Speaker 3: of their schools all the time. They're so proud of them.
Speaker 3: It means the world to get onto the school basketball
Speaker 3: team or the school cheerleading team. And that's a huge
Speaker 3: part of all American school movies, that that's the recurring theme.
Speaker 3: I don't know whether that's amped up or whether that
Speaker 3: is actually the case. In my schooling, not so much
Speaker 3: like we you know, we had school teams, but anyone
Speaker 3: could make the school It was so easy to make
Speaker 3: this I made. I made the school team for AFL,
Speaker 3: which is saying something like I'm a soccer player, right.
Speaker 3: I played soccer from the age of five. I don't
Speaker 3: want to make a big thing out of it. But
Speaker 3: I represented Australia at International schoolboy level rapping, rapping, so
Speaker 3: so I didn't really play I love AFL, love watching it,
Speaker 3: but I didn't really play a lot of AFL footy.
Speaker 3: But I made the team pretty easily, and that was
Speaker 3: one of the better players in our in our school
Speaker 3: footy team. So it's so much easier to make the
Speaker 3: teams or to make the grade in Australia, I think.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's very different in that regard. I certainly
Speaker 3: wouldn't wear a jumper with my school logo as a
Speaker 3: matter of pride unless I wanted to get beaten up.
Speaker 1: Yeah did you?
Speaker 3: Was it similar for you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I had a real crush on America
Speaker 1: growing up. I desperately wanted to, you know, my parents
Speaker 1: have sent me on an exchange program to the States.
Speaker 1: I just I think, and a lot of it was
Speaker 1: because I just loved movies and I had this you know,
Speaker 1: kind of CPA kind of view of America through film.
Speaker 1: I mean, how the world has changed.
Speaker 3: Certainly.
Speaker 1: The one thing I also kind of envied about American
Speaker 1: high school movies were the parties. We had parties growing
Speaker 1: up as well. There's going to be a lot more
Speaker 1: red plastic cups used in American high school parties. We
Speaker 1: just usually drunk out of VB cans, yeah, or a
Speaker 1: goon bag. Yeah. I mean I wasn't.
Speaker 3: I wasn't huge on the party scene because while we're
Speaker 3: at school, I still and this is completely true in
Speaker 3: my mind, my destiny was to play for Manchester United.
Speaker 3: So if I wanted to be that level elite sportsman,
Speaker 3: I couldn't drink, couldn't smoke. In fact, it was almost
Speaker 3: a form of reverse bullying. You know how they talk
Speaker 3: about peer pressure, like at school, like people are going
Speaker 3: to try to get you to smoke and drink. We
Speaker 3: were peer pressuring people to not smoke and drink. So
Speaker 3: we were like, don't smoke, man, you'll get cancer. So
Speaker 3: like So pretty soon after that, the invites to parties
Speaker 3: started to decree.
Speaker 1: That is great, that is great. Well it's been it's
Speaker 1: been a bloody joy hanging out with you and watching
Speaker 1: this bloody fine film. I really, I really enjoyed watching
Speaker 1: again last night. It's been a few years since I
Speaker 1: had seen it. Yeah, I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Likewise, thank you for having me on and thanks
Speaker 3: for I guess giving me the motivation to go and
Speaker 3: watch it, because I'm really glad I did. I now
Speaker 3: I now feel that I get what people are talking about.
Speaker 3: And yeah, and this podcast has been fetched.
Speaker 1: You got to it just before I did.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's a win. It's a win for the good guy.
Speaker 7: I try.
Speaker 3: Some people are just me sometimes it seems like the
Speaker 3: whole world is in high school. What did I tell you?
Speaker 1: Sam Mac is just such great company, a born entertainer
Speaker 1: and a bloody funny bugger, and I just cannot wait
Speaker 1: to see how Sam's career continues to unfold over the
Speaker 1: next many many years. Yeah, they're calling this a breakfast
Speaker 1: TV whether man does not doing any justice at all.
Speaker 1: I also want to point out Sandre's a lot of
Speaker 1: great work in the mental health space. We shared a
Speaker 1: close personal friend, Richard Marsland, and Sam has done a
Speaker 1: lot of work keeping Rich's work and spirit alive. Hopefully
Speaker 1: have contributed with that as well. From my end, if
Speaker 1: you go to my Twitter account p J Hallier, the
Speaker 1: pin tweet I think is still the story that I
Speaker 1: did on Richard, So if you haven't seen it, maybe
Speaker 1: take a look at that. But like I said, rich
Speaker 1: Sam does a lot of great work in that space,
Speaker 1: so I really love hanging out with him. So that
Speaker 1: was me and girls. That was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. I hope you did too. I
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Speaker 1: our community. Who you are funny, you are kind, and
Speaker 1: you are passionate. And thank you for that next episode.
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