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Speaker 1: Jum mission with Jones and Amanda.

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Speaker 2: Well, what about this guy? His career has led him

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Speaker 2: down a series of unpredictable paths. The former professional rugby

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Speaker 2: league player went on to be an actor alongside Robert

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Speaker 2: de Niro if you don't mind, and he's now an author.

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Speaker 2: He's written a number of books and the latest is

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Speaker 2: a thriller called Still that's been compared to Scrublands and

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Speaker 2: the Dry. We're looking forward to catching up with him

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Speaker 2: right now. Hello, Matt Nabel, How are you okay?

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Speaker 1: Guys, how are we going? We're very well.

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Speaker 3: Good to talk to you again.

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Speaker 1: You too, Jonesy, what's happening?

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Speaker 3: Made not much to report? Absolutely, I've done nothing. I

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Speaker 3: wrote a book since you spoke. Yeah, this is awkward.

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Speaker 1: That's that's that's hard yards buddy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you the difference?

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Speaker 1: Though?

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Speaker 2: Jonesy wrote stories from his own life, which I imagine though

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Speaker 2: is easier than sitting down to write a thriller. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Jonesy did. Jewels End is a thriller.

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 2: Don't tell me how it ends.

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Speaker 3: I get the girl in the end. Actually I am

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Speaker 3: the girl in the end.

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Speaker 2: Spoilery a twist, Matt, how do you go about writing

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Speaker 2: a thriller, Do you have the story in your head

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Speaker 2: for ages? How do you do it?

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Speaker 1: I'm looking Look, this is the first sort of Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I remember talking to you guys last time the book

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Speaker 1: came out, and that was a very different sort of

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Speaker 1: book altogether. This is the first time I've sort of

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Speaker 1: delved into this genre of crime. And it wasn't by designed,

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Speaker 1: to be honest, it was I think I'd written a

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Speaker 1: couple of screenplays since I last spoke to you as well,

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Speaker 1: and they're quite plot.

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Speaker 4: Driven, and it just sort of an evolution of I

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Speaker 4: guess where I was at and what I was interested in,

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Speaker 4: and you know, setting the story in Darwin in the

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Speaker 4: sixties sort of lend itself to.

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Speaker 1: That genre, and that's how it sort of came to be.

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Speaker 1: But as far as knowing what I was going to write,

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Speaker 1: I start somewhere, get to the middle. By the time

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Speaker 1: I get to the middle, I know where I'm going

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Speaker 1: towards the end. So yeah, I think it sort of

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Speaker 1: just evolved as it happens in my mind.

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Speaker 3: Could you see this being turned into a screenplay as well?

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Speaker 1: Look, it's it's certainly a cinematic edge to this. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you consider dar and the Northern Territory, but now

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Speaker 1: it's still really quite frontierish and rugged, and back in

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Speaker 1: the sixties it was really like no other place on Earth.

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Speaker 1: So you know, you're dealing with some pretty heavy issues

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Speaker 1: that you can't not discuss when you're writing about daarl On.

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Speaker 1: In that era, it was in the middle of the

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Speaker 1: Australia White Policy. There was stylear generation was right in

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Speaker 1: that was right in the middle of what was going

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Speaker 1: on there. So yeah, I think, you know, I'm talking

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Speaker 1: to some people now, some really good producers about doing

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Speaker 1: exactly that, so you know, hopefully. I mean, it's one

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Speaker 1: thing to have your book option and then have the

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Speaker 1: rights board for screen, but there's another thing and then

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Speaker 1: getting it made. But thingers cross. Like I said, guys,

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Speaker 1: I think it certainly lends itself to something like that.

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Speaker 2: As an actor who is also an author, do you

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Speaker 2: write a role for an enigmatic, handsome man and you're

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Speaker 2: just picturing.

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Speaker 1: Yourself this one. I've sort of written myself out of

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Speaker 1: this one as far as the leads are concerned, because

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Speaker 1: they're all twenty five years younger than I am, so

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Speaker 1: that won't be happening. There's Look, this is I had

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Speaker 1: another book that was optional and wasn't interested in getting

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Speaker 1: involved in it creatively because I was sick of the

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Speaker 1: people in there. But this one, you know, like, I'd

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Speaker 1: like to be involved if it was adapted into a

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Speaker 1: TV series or a film, because it's I think I'd

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Speaker 1: have something to offer. But as far as playing a

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Speaker 1: role is concerned, I'm not too sure.

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Speaker 3: Because the character you played, the character you played in

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Speaker 3: The Dry, you were a real tool in that, and

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Speaker 3: I'm not used. I'm not used to you seeing you

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Speaker 3: as a tool. You know, you played Jock Ross in

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Speaker 3: Brotherhoods and in The One Percent Thing you make a

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Speaker 3: great bike and Gary Jubil and you played Gary Jubilan,

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Speaker 3: so you usually you're you're a hero, but in the Dry,

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Speaker 3: I didn't like you in the Dry, like I liked

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Speaker 3: your acting, but you know, you weren't likable.

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Speaker 1: No, I wasn't likable in that, and lots of people

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Speaker 1: have said that. Look, i think I've got the type

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Speaker 1: of aesthetic that sort of lends itself to not a

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Speaker 1: likable person. So you know, I've done a couple of

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Speaker 1: days roles before where yeah, you're playing a tool and look,

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Speaker 1: hopefully look I'm about to start a film now where

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Speaker 1: I'm playing a guy who's come out of the sas.

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Speaker 1: He's quite effective. So you know, look, look, I guess

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Speaker 1: I'm lucky guys to do all sorts of different things.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, definitely the one on the Dry. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: wasn't a likable guy.

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Speaker 3: Well, but we know you so well and we know

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Speaker 3: that you're not a tool. So that's just if you

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Speaker 3: go and see The Dry and you see Matt Nabel

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Speaker 3: so well that he's nothing old acting, that's called acting.

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Speaker 1: Thanks.

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Speaker 2: Sure, you tell that to Robert de Niro when you're working, Robert,

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Speaker 2: watch me at this is.

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Speaker 3: Acting, Watch me be a tool. Matt, it's always great

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Speaker 3: to talk to. You can buy Matt's new books still

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Speaker 3: in all good bookstores today, and look out for him

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Speaker 3: on your big screen and small screen. So, Matt late Abel,

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Speaker 3: thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys much appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Take care of Map Jonesy and Amanda's cham