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Speaker 1: And Amanda jam Nation down to.

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Speaker 2: The jonesy demand of arms for the pub test today

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Speaker 2: ticketless parking fines do they pass the pub test?

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Speaker 3: I say no. On one hand, I like to know

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Speaker 3: the circumstances on which I've been pined, because if you

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Speaker 3: think you haven't been pined, you might keep parking there.

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Speaker 3: And also if you if you get away with it,

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Speaker 3: you get a slight satisfaction, and this takes away that

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Speaker 3: satistruction because you don't know if you've got away with it.

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Speaker 2: They bought in Tickelas Parking because parking rangers were being abused,

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Speaker 2: and no one needs to be abused on their job.

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Speaker 2: But when the government changes the pole, the goalpost constantly

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Speaker 2: with how you can park, you can't look down the

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Speaker 2: raid there. See that that street there? Yeah, there's a

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Speaker 2: million parking spaces where you could park, but you're not

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Speaker 2: allowed to park there. There's some stupid rule that they

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Speaker 2: put in loading zone, so people traveling and I'm going

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Speaker 2: to park in there, and then old mate comes and

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Speaker 2: takes a picture. Boom. Do you know much the government

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Speaker 2: made in revenue Ticketler's parking one hundred and fifty five

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Speaker 2: million dollars? And you wonder why get act up about this?

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Speaker 3: So people, why are they making more money with ticketless.

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Speaker 2: Because because they just go and snap the picture and

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Speaker 2: no one's going to fight it because it happens two

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Speaker 2: weeks later. If Johnny Old made parks in the middle

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Speaker 2: of the Harbor Bridge and gets out, yeah, throw the

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Speaker 2: book at him. But if you're parking in a road,

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Speaker 2: if you can park a car and it's not impeding it.

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Speaker 3: This isn't about getting a parking fine. This is about knowing.

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Speaker 3: We're just accept it, Brendon. This is about knowing you've

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Speaker 3: got a parking fine, not about getting a parking Yes,

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Speaker 3: of course. So what's the difference.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you don't know it's happened to you, you're

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Speaker 2: not going to fight it and not just both agree

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Speaker 2: on this. No one's going to agree in the ticket part.

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Speaker 3: I imagine also, if you walk past your current think oh,

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Speaker 3: I've got away with it. I'll go and spend another

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Speaker 3: hour at the shop. You come back and you realize

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Speaker 3: you've been done. You don't know if you've been done.

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Speaker 1: That's bad. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The only person I would imagine that agreece with this

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Speaker 2: would be Clovermore because her cancel alone made forty five million.

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Speaker 3: Dollars ticketless parking fines, and they passed the pub test.

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Speaker 4: No, it does not. She should have a turn effect,

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Speaker 4: which as a man to say, you think I have

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Speaker 4: your ticket mean and get back to the car, So

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Speaker 4: just like a policeman might pull you over, and there's

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Speaker 4: a deterrent effect, it's all reinforced. Weeks later, there's no deterrent.

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Speaker 4: It's just a money grab.

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Speaker 1: And no, no, don't you don't remember where you parked. Two

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Speaker 1: weeks later, I'm a courier and I saw these guys

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Speaker 1: booking me and I'm getting up these guys and this

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Speaker 1: happened twice. I apologize to these guys for getting up

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Speaker 1: because they're only doing their job. I'm doing my job

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Speaker 1: and I got let off twice, so they are all bad.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I'd rather have a ticket on my windscreen

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Speaker 1: to know that I've been booked.

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Speaker 5: They do not pass the pub test. Because I had

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Speaker 5: to take my daughter to a major sporning event. I'm

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Speaker 5: on a Saturday and a Sunday. I parked in the

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Speaker 5: same place on both days, and two weeks later I

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Speaker 5: found out that I've got fines on both days. So

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Speaker 5: there was no information, no to terrut there because I

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Speaker 5: didn't know in the wrong spots on the second day. Yeah, like,

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Speaker 5: I think it does, because how else are these corrupt

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Speaker 5: councils going tolign their pockets and build cycle ways that

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Speaker 5: go nowhere.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's cracked.

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Speaker 5: Down on the dodgy underhand developers given them cash, so

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Speaker 5: they've got to get their money somehow.

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Speaker 1: Oh, poor councils.

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Speaker 2: That's true. All the all the all the gangsters of

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Speaker 2: the corruption of the seventies, they're all gone. So now

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Speaker 2: the gangsters are working for the council.

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Speaker 3: Cynicism much I like it. I like the irony