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Speaker 1: Hello, my name's Santasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud yr

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Speaker 1: the Order KERNI Whoalbury and a waddery woman. And before

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Speaker 1: we get started on She's on the Money podcast, I

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Speaker 1: would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land

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Speaker 1: of which this podcast is recorded on a wondery country,

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Speaker 1: acknowledging the elders, the ancestors and the next generation coming

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Speaker 1: through as this podcast is about connecting, empowering, knowledge sharing

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Speaker 1: and the storytelling of you to make a difference for

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Speaker 1: today and lasting impact for tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into it.

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Speaker 3: She's on the Money. She's on the Money.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome.

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Speaker 4: She's on the Money, the podcast for millennials who want

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Speaker 4: financial freedom.

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Speaker 2: My friends, it is Victoria and I am.

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Speaker 4: Back today with a solo episode, which is the first of.

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Speaker 2: Maybe many solo rants to come.

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Speaker 4: But I wanted to do a little micro bonus episode

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Speaker 4: because a lot of you have been asking me recently

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Speaker 4: about how hex and help debts have been changing, and

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Speaker 4: I thought, instead of getting the whole team together and

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Speaker 4: dragging everyone out of bed earlier than they want to

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Speaker 4: mic explain a few things, and hopefully over time this

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Speaker 4: can be a reoccurring theme to make sure that we

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Speaker 4: are as up to date with what's going on in

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Speaker 4: the media and what's going on in politics as absolutely possible. So,

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Speaker 4: after gut wrenching hikes last year that saw indexation jump

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Speaker 4: to seven point one percent, our mate Treasurer Jim Chalmers

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Speaker 4: outlined in the twenty twenty four federal budget recently that

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Speaker 4: the government is changing the way that student loans are

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Speaker 4: going to be indexed and they're going to be backdating

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Speaker 4: it to June last year, which essentially means they're going

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Speaker 4: to be wiping three billion dollars worth of debt. So

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Speaker 4: today I thought i'd get you up to speed on

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Speaker 4: how things are changing, what sort of amounts your debt

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Speaker 4: is going to go down by, and how to receive

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Speaker 4: a credit if you're eligible for one. So before we

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Speaker 4: So basically, because we all know that the debt was

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Speaker 4: increasing at a higher rate than wages. So if you're

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Speaker 4: making minimum repayments, we found that many of your outstanding

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Speaker 4: balances were then more than what they were the previous year,

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Speaker 4: so that obviously is quite rude. So instead of interest

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Speaker 4: charged on a HEX debt, our student debts had risen

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Speaker 4: each year in line with what they call CPI, so

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Speaker 4: consumer price index. This isn't a new concept. This has

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Speaker 4: happened every year since HEX was introduced, so this isn't new.

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Speaker 4: But after an inflation blow up last year and millions

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Speaker 4: government has decided to move to CAP index, which is

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Speaker 4: actually the lowest out of CPI and the wage price Index.

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Speaker 4: So instead of them slapping on that seven point one

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Speaker 4: percent of consumer price Index to our HEX and help debts,

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Speaker 4: they're going to move to the WPI, which again wage

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Speaker 4: price index, which is approximately four point seven percent. But

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Speaker 4: not so keen on that. Let's actually drop it down

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Speaker 4: to four percent. And what we're going to do is

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Speaker 4: have paid, So hex indexation is changing, and it's not

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Speaker 4: just for this year. They've now introduced this idea that

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Speaker 4: debts are going to increase in line with whichever is lower.

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Speaker 4: So whether CPI is lower or WPI is lower, whichever

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Speaker 2: Smallest one, they're going to go with that. GPI.

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Speaker 4: Just to step back a little bit, CPI essentially measures

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Speaker 4: then WPI, which is that wage price index, which you

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Speaker 4: Right, So both are measured across the economic quarters of March, June,

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Speaker 4: a very smart way to do it, because I think

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Speaker 4: it's going to undo last year's changes. So let's go

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Speaker 4: to a quick break so you can absorb all of that,

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Speaker 4: going to go down by? All Right, guys, we are

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Speaker 4: just glad that everybody let me do this, like this

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 4: You let me talk about money on my own slave.

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Speaker 4: I love this for us. But what you guys are

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Speaker 4: here for is to actually know about your cash, So

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Speaker 4: let's talk about that. So how much is your debt

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Speaker 4: actually going to go down by? If you want to

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Speaker 4: calculate this for your specific amount that you have in

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Speaker 4: your HEX or your help debt, you can check out

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Speaker 4: the Government help estimator.

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Speaker 2: There's going to be a link in our show notes

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Speaker 2: and you can google it. But here are some figures.

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Speaker 4: So if you had a HEX or help debt on

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Speaker 4: And if you had a help debt of forty five

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Speaker 4: hex slash help debt range, because we're all just getting

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Speaker 4: a pretty nice sum. I mean, in a perfect world,

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Speaker 4: not that perfect world, and they do slam us with

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Speaker 4: some indexation but what I need you to keep in

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Speaker 4: mind is that your credit amount is actually going to

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Speaker 4: vary based on your individual circumstances, including the repayments that

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Speaker 4: you made during the year. So all help debts the

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Speaker 4: indexed in twenty twenty three are now still subject to

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Speaker 4: indexation on the first of June twenty twenty four, and

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Speaker 4: you'll receive your indexation credit. However, if you did not

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Speaker 4: incur indexation, you'll not receive the credit. And I know

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Speaker 4: that that sounds silly to say, because it makes sense.

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Speaker 4: you know, maybe you wanted to increase your serviceability on

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Speaker 4: And the answer to that is no, because if you

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Speaker 4: They're not going to give you a refund on a

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Speaker 4: indexation on, right, So I think that that sounds silly,

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Speaker 4: not a silly question because this is a complex system

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Speaker 4: don't feel like that's me going. Of course, you're not

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Speaker 2: Do I have to apply for it?

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Speaker 4: No, my friends, It's going to be automatically calculated by

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Speaker 4: the ATO based on how much indexation you paid last year,

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Speaker 4: We don't want to owe tax and in a perfect world,

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Speaker 4: sneaky little tax refund, which would be very very nice.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people have been asking me who is

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Speaker 4: eligible for HELP or HEX Debt Assistant. So you're going

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Speaker 4: was increased on last year or is set to be

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Speaker 4: you're going to get a credit for both, which is

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Speaker 4: a money win. And the relief is also going to

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Speaker 4: be applied to apprentices with debts through the VET Student

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Speaker 4: Loan Program or the Australian Apprenticeship Support Loans. So I

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Speaker 4: think that's important as well, just with dotting all our

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Speaker 4: have all of the information. But as I said, if

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Speaker 4: you paid back your HEX debt last year, former students

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Speaker 4: who paid back their outstanding student loan between June the first,

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty three and the time the new proposed legislation

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Speaker 4: is passed, you're going to be eligible for a tax credit.

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Speaker 2: So instead of getting that credit applied.

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Speaker 4: To your loan debt, it's going to be put on

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Speaker 4: your tax and the Department of Education they've come out

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Speaker 4: and they've said that if your help Debt account balance

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Speaker 4: you don't have to pay other primary tax or Commonwealth debts,

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Speaker 4: and the credit will be refunded via the usual ATO

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Speaker 2: Your bank account.

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Speaker 4: So if you've met all of that criteria, yes you

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Speaker 4: but you weren't able to get rid of all of it.

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Speaker 4: So it's going to act as a credit and they'll

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Speaker 4: only pay you back if it goes negative, which kind

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Speaker 4: of makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Anyway. That's my rant over. I could go on and on.

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Speaker 2: I've had fun. I hope you've had fun, and I

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Speaker 2: hope you've learned.

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Speaker 4: Something really quickly about you know, what's going on in

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Speaker 4: much information out there at the moment. But I've loved

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Speaker 4: having this chat with you. It was kind of one sided,

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Speaker 4: so I do apologize for that, but I hope I've

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Speaker 2: So, my friends, I'll see you later.

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