1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Well, speaking of Catherine, we have got Catherine representing in 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: the studio this morning because i've got the local member 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: Joe Hersey, good morning. 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and good morning to everyone, especially in Catherine, 5 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 2: but right across the territory. 6 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: And Joel of course he's the Minister for various portfolios 7 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: including education. And we've got Selena Ruber as well, the 8 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: member four Anna Anam. I had to think about that 9 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: for a moment and Selena is indeed the opposition leader. 10 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: Great to have you in the studio. 11 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Katie. 12 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 4: Great to be here, and big shout out to kay 13 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 4: Town as well going home today as well, and well. 14 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: From Alice Springs, the Speaker of the Northern Territories Legislative Assembly, 15 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: also the independent member for Aralu and Robin Lamley. Lovely 16 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: to have you in the studio. 17 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 5: My pleasure. It's been too long, Katie. 18 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: It has I've missed you and and these digs are amazing. 19 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 5: Then you did the. 20 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: New studio, I know, first time here for you today, 21 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: Robin and you were lovely surprised, as were we when 22 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: we first moved in. 23 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 3: Now look it. 24 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: Has been an incredibly big and I know that you've 25 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: all had an incredibly busy week in Parliament, but I 26 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: do actually want to go to a Council issue to 27 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: kick things off this morning, because after weeks of anger 28 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: from Cyclone Tracy survivors, the Lord Mayor yesterday confirmed on 29 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: the show that the VIP unveiling of the new Kinetic 30 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: sculpture has been canceled. The event was due to take 31 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: place this afternoon. Now, combat Scalis claim the event had 32 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: been canceled due to the Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi being 33 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: unable to attend. However, hundreds of protesters were expected to 34 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: attend well in protest against the sculpture, which they say 35 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: doesn't respect the survivors or those whose lives were lost 36 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: in the natural disaster. A group of survivors is calling 37 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: on the Council to return the money to the Federal 38 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: and Northern Territory governments, some even calling for the Mayor 39 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: to resign. Now, you know what I think is so 40 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: important to acknowledge here is the impact that Cyclone Tracy 41 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: has had on so many Territorians, not only Cyclone Tracy survivors, 42 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: not only those who've lost family members, but to be honest, 43 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: right around Australia. This is one of the biggest natural 44 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: disasters that we have ever experienced. 45 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 5: Indeed, Katie, look, I don't have much of an opinion 46 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 5: of what's gone on in Darwin, but what I saw 47 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 5: in Parliament just yesterday morning we had a ministerial statement 48 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 5: a debate about Cyclone Tracy, and the level of emotion 49 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 5: around that in the room was incredible and it struck me, Katie, 50 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 5: that Darwin is moving into this period of commemorating the 51 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 5: fiftieth anniversary of Cyclone Tracy. Do not underestimate the level 52 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:05,119 Speaker 5: of emotion of people throughout Darwin and Australia. People will 53 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 5: express their emotions in all sorts of different ways, mainly 54 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 5: in sadness, expressing it in sadness, but also in other 55 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 5: ways like anger. So I think my advice would be 56 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 5: to people is to be kind, be patient, and be 57 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 5: mindful of the traumatic impact this event had on so 58 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 5: many people, not just within Darwin but beyond. 59 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 2: And I would have to one hundred percent say Robin 60 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 2: is spot on there, because yesterday I did live in 61 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: Darwin before Cycling Tracy, but left I read out a 62 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: speech from a girlfriend's mother and it was really tough. 63 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: And you know, the Member for Nelson lived through it 64 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: and it was heart wrenching listening to that. And I 65 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: think the council has they said they'd consulted, and you 66 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: know what they do up here. I'm the Member for Catherine, 67 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: not in Darwin, but I've certainly listened to a lot 68 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: of talk around it, and I think they totally missed 69 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 2: the mark and absolutely underestimated the emotion that it would 70 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: bring two people. It is a big event, just like 71 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 2: the Catherine flood was a huge event in Catherine, and 72 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 2: I think it is going to. 73 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 6: Be a very emotional. 74 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 2: All those celebrations that they're going to have, especially the 75 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 2: one on Christmas Day, I think, yeah, it will be 76 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 2: very emotional. 77 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: I one hundred percent agree. And Selena, you're a Northern 78 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: Territory girl. You've been here your whole life. I believe 79 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: were your parents here. 80 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 4: My parents are living in Bachelor at the time, so 81 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 4: a lot of the runway at the Bachelor airport was 82 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 4: used to bring in supplies and to evacuate people in 83 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 4: and out of the Northern Territory because the Darwin obviously 84 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 4: airport unusable at the time. So I've heard different stories 85 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 4: and obviously long term residents. 86 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 3: We know that there's been a lot of trauma. 87 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 4: I think very wise words that Robin shared with us 88 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 4: this this morning, and I think the intention of the 89 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 4: council has been honorable. But unfortunately, you know, we know 90 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 4: that there's a lot of emotion attached to any type 91 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 4: of trauma in the Northern Territory, and even fifty years on, 92 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 4: you know, we are seeing that raw trauma and emotion 93 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 4: come out. And I think there needs to be a 94 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 4: commemoration of such an important and historic and traumatic event 95 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 4: in the Northern Territory. But I think that the estimation, 96 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 4: underestimation of how much it means to people to have 97 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 4: that commemoration in the territory has been missed unfortunately. 98 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 3: But I do believe that, you. 99 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 4: Know, the intention was honorable and very well meaning, but 100 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 4: unfortunately it has caused a lot of disunity in the 101 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 4: community because people are not happy about the way things 102 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 4: were done with that goodwill intention. 103 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: And you know, there are times, as all three of 104 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: you know, in a political career where you have to go, Okay, 105 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: well maybe I've made a misstep here, and you know, 106 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: maybe there does need to be an acknowledgment of that 107 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: misstep and I just wonder why the Council's sort of 108 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: hesitant to do that at this point. I can only 109 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: assume that it is because such a phenomenal amount of 110 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: money has obviously been invested into this kinetic sculpture. And look, 111 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: I know that there'll be some people who agree with 112 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: the kinetic sculpture, but we are being inundated with messages 113 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: phone calls every day, people saying that they do not 114 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: feel that it reflects the event that Cyclone Tracy was, 115 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: nor do they feel that it truly represents, you know, 116 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: the resilience that Darwin has shown in rebuilding. And we 117 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: know artwork will demonstrate, you know, or certainly bring out 118 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: different feelings for everybody. But I do feel that the 119 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: Council's made a misstep here, and sometimes the best thing 120 00:06:58,720 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: that you can do is ignore. 121 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 2: I think you are correct there, Katie. I've listened to 122 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 2: the commentary around it from the council, I've listened to 123 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 2: the mayor speaking, and I am I am surprised that 124 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: there has not been some apology of Okay, we got 125 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 2: this wrong, or admission of getting it wrong, because I 126 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 2: you know, I get emails almost on a daily basis 127 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 2: about people's you know, discontent with what's going on. The 128 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: most significant sculpture for me, and I think correct me 129 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, is the twisted metal at Sanderson Middle. 130 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: I think it's either casual. 131 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 6: Senior College. 132 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 2: I know, I know I've seen it, but that to 133 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 2: me tells an incredible story of the ferosty and just 134 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 2: the damage that was left behind, let alone all the 135 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 2: photos that you see out there. That that is something 136 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: I think it more worthy of, you know something in 137 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: that in along those lines. 138 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: Well, look, we might take a really quick break because 139 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: when we come back there is so much to cover 140 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: off from throughout the week, and I know up for 141 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: discussion this morning, there's been talk of a poly pay 142 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: rise passing through, so I'll find out more about that 143 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: in just a couple of moments. You are listening to 144 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: Mix one oh four nine's three sixty. It is the 145 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: week that was, Well, it is indeed the week that was. 146 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: If you've just joined us in the studio this morning, 147 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: We've got Robin Lamley, Joe Hersey and Selena Yubo. Now 148 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: we have got a lot to discuss this week. I 149 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: think whenever Parliament sits, there certainly is a lot to 150 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: discuss but I have learned overnight that there's been a 151 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: pay rise for our Northern Territory politicians. As I understand it, 152 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 1: a lot of people hearing this maybe for the first 153 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: time this morning and thinking, goodness, may I'm living through 154 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: a cost of living crisis and our politicians are getting 155 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: a pay rise. But there was no increase in the 156 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: basic wage for the four years from twenty nineteen to 157 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. As I understand it, during the period, 158 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: the NT basic salary dropped well below the average basic 159 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: salary for all other states and territory jurisdictions. So how 160 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: exactly did this all sort of like, how does it 161 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: all kind of roll through? I guess, you know, for 162 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: the Territorians to understand. 163 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 5: So every year the Remuneration Tribunal, which is a group 164 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 5: of three people at the moment appointed by the government, 165 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 5: decide what our entitlements will be as members of Parliament, 166 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 5: and this report that they produce every twelve months is 167 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 5: tabled routinely in Parliament at this time of year, so 168 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 5: the changes come into effect as of the first of January. 169 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 5: The table for this year, sorry, the report for this 170 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 5: year was tabled in Parliament last night and it does 171 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 5: include a polypay rise. Now this is always content. 172 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 4: Says you. 173 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 5: As you say, because people get to decide that whether 174 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 5: or not they think where you are pay rise. But look, 175 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 5: I've come out before when this has been debated and 176 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 5: in support of politicians getting fair pay rises like other workers. 177 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 5: As you said, Katie, we didn't have a pay rise 178 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 5: for four years from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty two. 179 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 5: That came off the back of COVID. The former government 180 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 5: felt that it was an austerity measure that we should 181 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 5: all have our pays frozen. That's fine if you're a 182 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 5: minister and you're well paid, like the three of us 183 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 5: are Opposition Leader, Minister and now Speaker. But a lot 184 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 5: of people in that chamber sit on that very basic wage, 185 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 5: which has been about one hundred and sixty five. It's 186 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 5: now going up to one hundred and seventy five, which 187 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 5: is about a four to five percent increase. Those people 188 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 5: have often taken a pay cut to come into politics. 189 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 5: They've got families, they've got commitments, they've got loans, and 190 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 5: that pay grade, even though it's a lot of money, 191 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 5: sits well below the lowest level of executive officer within 192 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 5: the Northern territory government. And I argue that these people 193 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 5: in particular need to have their incremental pay rise. Is 194 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 5: just like every public servant because they work hard, they 195 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 5: work long hours and they are face scrutiny, scrutiny, a 196 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 5: level of scrutiny like no other. So I support this. 197 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 5: It may not be good timing, it may not be 198 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 5: a good look, but I think it's a fair thing. 199 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: So when did it So did it pass through this week? 200 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 5: It was tabled in Parliament last night and it'll come 201 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 5: into effect Katie on the first of January. 202 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 4: So every RTD renuneration tribunal determination is tabled, as Robin said, 203 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 4: usually the last sittings week of the year and it's 204 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 4: usually a couple of weeks until it's actually in force, 205 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 4: which is the first of January that'll come into effect. 206 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 2: And also the Chief Minister did speak to the Opposition leader. 207 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 6: About this and we do share the view that. 208 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 2: This is an independent tribunal and should be respected, as 209 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 2: in the case with independence of other remuneration tribunals look 210 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 2: in other jurisdictions. 211 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it brings us up to. 212 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 5: Just so we're on our average, Yeah, we're just below 213 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,839 Speaker 5: the average of all state and territory jurisdictions, which is 214 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 5: where we should be. 215 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 1: I do believe that politicians need to be renumerated appropriately. 216 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: I think, how on earth are you going to actually 217 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: encourage good people to want to be in politics if 218 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: they're not paid well, However, one hundred and seventy five 219 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: thousand dollars to the everyday territory and seems like a 220 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: heck of a lot of money. And so I think 221 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: that I would say to all of our politicians, and 222 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: I know that you three are incredibly hard working, but 223 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: to all of our politicians, you know, whatever you're getting paid, 224 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: you are getting paid to represent territorians in your electorate. 225 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: You know, make sure you never forget that. Make sure 226 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: you don't stop listening to them, because to the average 227 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: person listening this morning, one hundred and seventy five thousand 228 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: dollars seems like a heck of a lot of money. 229 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, Katie, and I think what we also 230 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 2: have to we have a responsibility to work hard. 231 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 6: And I know that the three of us do work hard. 232 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 2: And if the community or the constituents don't think you are, 233 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 2: they can beat you out at the next election. So 234 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 2: you know, that's where they can have their say. 235 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: Well, and this is what we've seen, right, you know, 236 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: like no seat is safe anymore. That is you know, 237 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: that is the case right across the Northern Territory, right 238 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: across Australia. I think, and like I said, I you know, 239 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: I do think that politicians need to be paid a 240 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 1: reasonable amount of money. Otherwise you're not going. 241 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 3: To get experienced guy you get monkey's Yeah, that's exactly right. 242 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: But look, just to put it into perspective, Mark from 243 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: Darwin said, Hi, Katie, I love Robin Lamley, but one 244 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five thousand dollars a very basic wage. 245 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 6: That is of touch. 246 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 3: There's Mark from Darwin. 247 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 5: Well, I guess it isn't a basic wage. And I'm 248 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 5: sorry if I actually said that. What I'm saying is 249 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 5: it's well below the executive a level of paid that 250 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 5: Northern Territory government, some Northern Territory government employees get. So 251 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 5: that's one hundred and sixty five or one hundred and 252 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 5: seventy five now is like an AO seven or eight 253 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 5: something like that. It's interesting when you're a minister. I 254 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 5: remember years ago sitting around a table with executives and 255 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 5: me as the minister, I as the minister, was the 256 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 5: lowest paid person sitting around the table. That's what you 257 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 5: compare it to, Katie. So when you're talking about new 258 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 5: members of Parliament who've come in from an IT background, 259 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 5: a professional background, getting paid a lot more than that 260 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 5: now sitting on what is not a particularly high level 261 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 5: for an executive, I think you just have to put 262 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 5: that into perspective. But I'm not saying that this is 263 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 5: pean arts. It's still a lot of money, but I 264 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 5: think it's fair when you look at the public service 265 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 5: pay grades. 266 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 2: So just to add to that, Katie coming from private 267 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 2: business into this role, I think for Territorians to maybe 268 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 2: understand is that the role of a member of Parliament, 269 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 2: you're on call seven days a week, you know, twenty 270 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 2: four hours a day. And obviously we put ourselves up 271 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 2: to do that, and I'm not making a complaint about 272 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 2: that at all, but you work a lot more hours 273 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 2: than say I was working in my private business, where I, 274 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 2: you know, could have the flexibility of doing whatever I like. 275 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 2: But in saying that I love what I do, I 276 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 2: think we all love what we do and we certainly 277 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 2: don't do this for the money. 278 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 6: That is for sure. 279 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: Well, look it's always going to be a tough sell 280 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: because the text line is blowing up so much money, 281 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: you know, for a lot of normal people, it does 282 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: seem like an awful lot of But look, we are 283 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: going to move along because when we talk about, you know, 284 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: the pays of our politicians, we do also have to 285 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: bear in mind that you are making decisions about people's 286 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: lives every single day. You are, you know, pushing policy 287 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: in certain directions that shapes the Northern Territory. And one 288 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: of the areas this week that has absolutely made headlines 289 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: right around the nation as it should, is the fact 290 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: that the coroner, Elizabeth Armitage, handed down her findings into 291 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: the death of four Indigenous Territory women now. The coroner 292 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: made thirty five recommendations in total, including calling for a 293 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: significant funding boost to the sector, including for frontline emergency 294 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: service responses and women's shelters Now. She also recommended that 295 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: a peak body and ongoing specialist training for frontline workers, 296 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: and a permanent NT Police DV unit be established. She 297 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: called on the government to immediately release the one hundred 298 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: and eighty million dollars in in funding. 299 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 6: Now. 300 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: I do want to read the words as well of 301 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: the coroner that you know, she said that many of 302 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: the recommendations are not radical and that a lot of 303 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: the evidence are issues which have previously been raised. She said, though, 304 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: there really is no way to turn this around unless 305 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: those perpetrating the violence change. She said, it lies with 306 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: the men who are choosing to use violence. They must 307 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: stop blaming someone else. They must take responsibility and change 308 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: their attitudes and behaviors. And we spoke to John Patterson 309 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: earlier in the week from am Sad. I was you know, 310 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: he stood up and he said to those out there 311 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: listening this morning, if you are perpetrating this kind of violence, 312 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: you need to stop. And you know, I to have 313 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: a really highly respected, tough Aboriginal man standing up saying 314 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: this is enough, This has to end. I think we 315 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 1: need to see more of it from right across, you know, 316 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: right across, no matter where you come from. It's not 317 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: good enough. It's utterly heartbreaking. 318 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 2: Were the Member for Malka in parliament say this is 319 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 2: not our culture and he stood up and spoke on 320 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 2: that as well. And I'd just like to say, Katie, 321 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 2: you know that the review took the inquest sorry began 322 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 2: seventeen months ago, and the Minister did stand up in 323 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 2: Parliament this week and say that she would, you know, 324 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 2: it would take. 325 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 6: Time to address you know, the outcomes of that. 326 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 2: It's critical that the current programs are appropriately assessed and 327 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 2: the service providers are given clear direction around expected outcomes 328 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,959 Speaker 2: that are measurable and that demonstrate programs are achieving the 329 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 2: desired result, i e. A decreased in domestic violence, and 330 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 2: we've had an eighty one or eighty two percent increase 331 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 2: in domestic violence in Catherine alone. Katie, we have had 332 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 2: four women in the last two months die of domestic violence. 333 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: It is absolutely shocking and heartbreaking to hear that, and 334 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 2: it just more work needs to be done. 335 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 6: We have said this week that we would in a 336 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 6: bipartisan approach. 337 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 2: There has been a letter written to the federal Minister 338 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 2: for them to come up to the Terrans. 339 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 3: Katie. 340 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 4: We're really proud to have led that bipartisan approach. So 341 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 4: we now have Labor opposition, the CLP, government and the 342 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 4: cross Bench all agree to have a united front because 343 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 4: we know that this issue transcends politics in the Northern Territory. 344 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 4: We want to see action now. That's what the DV 345 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 4: sector's calling for. That's what the Northern Territory community is 346 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 4: calling for. That's absolutely what Coroner Amitage released today in 347 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 4: her recommendations. The blueprint is there, the one hundred and 348 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 4: eighty million dollars to fund the DV sector properly and 349 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 4: resource the It's just scratching the surface to be honest, Katie, 350 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 4: But that blueprint has been made by the DV sector. 351 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 4: The CLP hasn't real least a single cent yet and 352 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 4: we don't understand why because the blueprints there. 353 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 3: It's not a labor blueprint, Katie. 354 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 4: This was work that was done by the experts in 355 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 4: the field, by people who deal with the trauma of 356 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 4: supporting territories with DV and family violence right across the NT. 357 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 4: They really want to see this resource. We do as well. 358 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 4: We need to see the action. We don't want to 359 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 4: hear from the Minister, like we did in Parliament this 360 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 4: week that oh we need to take a step back 361 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 4: and have a look at this, that the work's been done. Essentially, 362 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 4: this is something people can act on now. We want 363 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 4: to see our government act on this now. We want 364 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 4: to see COLP commit the dollars because we've seen money 365 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 4: moved around already in the last couple of months. 366 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 3: It's possible. We just need to make sure the will's 367 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 3: there as well as the action. 368 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 2: But it also, sorry to tell, it is also clear 369 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 2: that the current approach to dealing with the domestic violence 370 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 2: scourge is not working. 371 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 4: That's why the blueprints there and it needs to be 372 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 4: fun as Katie. 373 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 2: You've seen an increase in under the previous labor government. 374 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: So the Minister was very clear. 375 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,719 Speaker 4: In taking a step back, which is ridiculous, that we 376 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 4: need action down to the sector. People are dying. 377 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 2: We can not spend good money after bad it is. 378 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 2: We do need more funding for this, and. 379 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 3: But we need action, Joe. We absolutely need action on this. 380 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 5: I get sick of hearing about yes, we need action, 381 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 5: the posturing. I think all of the messaging around this 382 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 5: is really quite peculiar, Katie. It always strikes me how 383 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 5: people are so willing to jump up and down, which 384 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 5: of course makes us feel like we're doing something. But 385 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 5: yet the real problem is what you said before. It's 386 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 5: about these men, primarily men that are bashing and killing 387 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 5: their women. One hundred and eighty million or one hundred 388 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 5: and fifty million is cleaning up after the fact, how 389 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 5: do you prevent this from happening? I don't know the 390 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 5: answer to that, and. 391 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 3: The CV sector does right there any. 392 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 5: People many because the problem has increased, Selena, mainly under 393 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 5: your watch over the last eight years. I have to say, 394 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 5: how do you stop someone in their own home bashing 395 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 5: and killing their partner or their family member. It's like suicide. 396 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 5: It's one of those insidious things that you have to 397 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 5: try and control through education and awareness. But at the 398 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 5: end of the day, how do you get to that 399 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 5: place where you can stop that from happening. All you 400 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 5: can do is ask and hope and pray and educate people. 401 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 5: I think that despite the fact that it's become front 402 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 5: and center in the media in the public, we are 403 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 5: getting nowhere with this and I don't feel any sense 404 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 5: of confidence about how we're moving forward. It was wonderful 405 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 5: to see this bipartisan agreement in Parliament on Wednesday around 406 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 5: how we approach it, but what's it actually going to achieve. 407 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 5: I mean, everyone's going to have a talk first and 408 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 5: beat their fists on the but you know the reality 409 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 5: is this problem is getting worse and I don't think 410 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 5: we've nailed it yet. 411 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 7: Selena, I think we haven't made it, which is why 412 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 7: we need to continue to highlight is exactly, Robert, we 413 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 7: need to highlight this issue and get through all that crap, 414 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 7: get through the talk, actually see some action. 415 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 4: Fund the DV sector properly, which is what, like I said, 416 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,479 Speaker 4: the one hundred and eighties literally just scratching the surface. Robert, 417 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 4: fund it properly. Make sure that we need space funded 418 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 4: in the territory. We have never been needspace funding the 419 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 4: territory for the DV sector. We absolutely need to be 420 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 4: and that's what the bipartisan approach will be continued to finish. 421 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 2: It's not stopping, it's not going to stop, but there 422 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 2: the last eight years we have seen an increase under 423 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 2: your watch, Selena, because. 424 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 3: We're not funded properly. 425 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 4: Joe, how can we do things if we're not funded 426 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 4: properly in the Northern Territory. 427 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 3: It's not a political issue. This is territory women that 428 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 3: are dying, Joe. 429 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 4: You just said yourself, territory women who were dying, and 430 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 4: we're saying, oh, let's take a step back and think 431 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 4: about this. 432 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 3: What is there to think about? What's the worst we 433 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 3: could do. We're going to save it territory in women's life. 434 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 6: But as Minister Carl said in this we're not. 435 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 4: Now because we're doing exactly what we're doing now. We're 436 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 4: just talking. 437 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 2: The proper process needs to be followed to make sure 438 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 2: that the money is hitting the mark. 439 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 3: The money is not enough anyway. 440 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: In a previous interview i'd done with the domestic violence 441 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: sector just a month or so ago, I have been 442 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: told that we're in a situation at the moment where 443 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: for some women what they what they have is like 444 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: a security camera outside their home so that if somebody 445 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: then if the perpetrator does turn. 446 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 3: Up to their house, that's home. That's yes. So that's 447 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 3: part of it. 448 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: And then the other part of it is that there's 449 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: actually not enough for those like there's not enough funding 450 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: for women that are in those situations to actually be 451 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: able to get something like that. You know, to me, 452 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: that's a terrible situation. And Selena, the point you've made 453 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: there is a really valid one. That's if they've got 454 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 1: a home. The other thing I do want to say 455 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: is that I grew up in a family that's that's 456 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: a male dominated family. You know my dad, my you 457 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: know my mum and dad Obviously both raised us, but 458 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: my dad was a very prominent part of how myself 459 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: and my two brothers were raised. Now, if either of 460 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: my brothers put their hands on a woman, I don't 461 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: know exactly what my father's response would be. And I 462 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: know that not everybody grows up in a home like that. 463 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: I totally understand that, but I do think that there 464 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: needs to be a real push from blokes that this 465 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: is not okay. It is not okay to put your 466 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,239 Speaker 1: hands on a woman, like you've said, Robin, and you know, 467 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: and I really like what you said Joe earlier that 468 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: in Parliament this week. You know that there was those 469 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: comments that this is not you know, this is not 470 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: part of culture because it's not right, like it's it's appalling. 471 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: And that was why, you know, when when we spoke 472 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: to John Patterson earlier in the week as well, I thought, 473 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: this is the kind of thing that we need to 474 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: be hearing every single day. 475 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 5: May not be a part of the culture of Aboriginal people, 476 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 5: but it has become probably the biggest social problem that 477 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 5: Aboriginal people are facing. And I'm the facts speak for themselves. 478 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 5: Our prisons are full of people that have perpetrated domestic violence. 479 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 5: I think we have to be more extreme and a 480 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 5: bit more colorful around this. I think we should be 481 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 5: putting them all in pink overalls, these perpetrators of domestic violence, 482 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 5: and displaying them publicly, humiliating them, putting them through the 483 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 5: pain and suffering that they're putting women and children through. 484 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 5: I think we are still tiptoeing around the edges with this. 485 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 5: These people are pigs, They're violent, and you can give 486 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 5: every excuse in the world for this sort of behavior. 487 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 5: A lot of policy around this is driven by people's guilt. 488 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 5: They don't want to name and shame. They don't want 489 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 5: to really look at what the problem is and who's 490 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 5: perpetrating it. And I think that there are so many 491 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 5: well meaning people working in their DV sector, but we 492 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 5: still haven't really got to the to really addressing this problem. 493 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 2: And I think also I would like to see a 494 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 2: lot of organizations and a lot of aboriginal organizations come 495 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 2: out and call this out, as the Member for Malka 496 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 2: did in parliament this week, because as Robin has said, 497 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 2: you know, the the the evidence speaks for itself. You know, 498 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 2: it is a scourge on our society. 499 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 6: There are a lot of men and some women that 500 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 6: you know commit domestic. 501 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 5: Vast majority of men and the vast majority in the 502 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 5: Northern Territory are Aboriginal people and that's not play around 503 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 5: with that. That's the facts, and you. 504 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: Know we need to it's like, this is the Aboriginal 505 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: and victims and that's you know, the horrifying part as 506 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: well for me as somebody who works in the media, 507 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: is that that doesn't even make headlines around the nation. 508 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 2: And for women killing Catherine in the last couple of months, Katie, 509 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 2: and not as much as a headline almost. 510 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 4: It's disgusting, which is why we need to act now, Katie. 511 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 4: And regardless of what people think has or hasn't happened 512 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 4: in the past, this is the chance for the territory 513 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 4: to come together to draw the line in the sand 514 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 4: say we're moving forward together. We're demanding urgent action, not 515 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 4: stepping back and having a look and taking our time. 516 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 4: Urgent action now so we can save lives. 517 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 6: Well, that's why the Chief Minister has written to the federal. 518 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 4: And that's why we need that one hundred and eighty 519 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 4: million dollars that the CLP government promise out the door 520 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 4: so we can actually see those programs that Robin talks about. 521 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 4: We can actually see a difference when we're scratching the 522 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 4: surface of this horrific issue and traumatic issue for the 523 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 4: Northern Territory. 524 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,719 Speaker 1: We're going to take a really quick break. You are 525 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty. 526 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 3: It is the week that was. 527 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix ONEOW four point nine three sixty. 528 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: It is the week that was. Now if you have 529 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: just joined us, we've got Selena Yubo, We've got Joe 530 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: Hersey and indeed Robin Labley the studio. Now we know 531 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: that the COLP government remains firm on scrapping the alcohol 532 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: floor price, despite concerns from some that it is going 533 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: to result in harm. Now we know the People's Action 534 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: are the People's Alcohol Action Coalition spokesperson Doctor John Boffer 535 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: had joined us earlier in the week and said that 536 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: the floor price has resulted in a reduction in hospital 537 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: admissions in Alice Springs, adding that it's difficult to understand 538 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: why a government whose top priority is supposedly to lower 539 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: crime rates, including domestic violence, would remove the minimum unit price. 540 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: But I've got to tell you not a lot of 541 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: support for it. Not being scrapped from our listeners, Like 542 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: a lot of our listeners are saying, well, Katie, we've 543 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: got all these different alcohol restrictions in place. What works? 544 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: You know, what doesn't work? And does having a minimum 545 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: floor price actually work? Now? Doctor Boffer said that there 546 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: is evidence to support that it does work. I mean, 547 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: what's everybody's taste not? 548 00:29:58,880 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 6: I think there's not. 549 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 5: On Boffer, I've grown to respect. We've worked side by side, 550 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 5: sometimes hand in hand for several decades now, and I 551 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 5: agree with him now on a lot of his positions 552 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 5: when it comes to alcohol policy. But I dispute what 553 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 5: he says there there is no evidence to suggest that 554 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 5: the floor price works because when the study was done 555 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 5: in Alice Springs, it coincided with a raft of other 556 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 5: alcohol strategies being implemented, and it was impossible to pull 557 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 5: out which one was working and which one wasn't working, 558 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 5: and which one was working better than the others. So 559 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 5: I would maintain that the floor price has had a minimal, 560 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 5: if any impact on the consumption of alcohol. 561 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 6: Do you reckon? 562 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 5: Though? 563 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: We could see things blow up once it is scrapped, 564 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: like we saw in Alice Springs, when the stronger futures 565 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: legislation ended. 566 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 4: It's going to make I think a deeaper and easier 567 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 4: access for our problem drinkers, Katie. And that's where the 568 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 4: alcohol fueled harm across the territory. If GG becomes cheaper 569 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 4: to drink than water, then what do we expect is 570 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 4: going to happen across our communities. 571 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 6: I think that's not going to happen that it's going to. 572 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 3: Be very happy to be proven. Joe, very happy to 573 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 3: be proven. 574 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 2: Hasn't taken into consideration that two days alcohol venues in 575 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 2: Alice Springs are closed everywhere across the. 576 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 3: I think he knows. I think he advocated for it. 577 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 3: Didn't he think absolutely? 578 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 6: He hasn't taken a chat to. 579 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 3: Him and give him a call, Joe. 580 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 6: The thing is right across the territory. 581 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 2: Whether you're in Alice, Tenant Creek, Catherine or here in Darwin, 582 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 2: the hours are totally different. We've also seen you can 583 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 2: only get cask wine here in Darwin. You cannot get 584 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 2: cask wine in Catherine, Tenant or Ella Springs having for 585 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 2: years in ours, so you haven't in a plastic bottle 586 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 2: you can't now and all this is done is shift 587 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 2: people onto harder spirits which are in a glass bottle, 588 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 2: which now can be smashed and used as a weapon, 589 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 2: which I have seen in my community numerous times. 590 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 3: So let's make it cheaper and easier to access. You know, 591 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 3: we've seen, is that what you're saying, Joe. 592 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 6: Eight percent in the past eight years under labor. 593 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: Of Some of the people that contact me are actually 594 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: people that are maybe seenors that want to be able 595 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: to get a bottle of wine or you know, like 596 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: a bottle of wine or I don't know whether you 597 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: get there's a cask or something that. 598 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 3: Is a little bit cheaper after until after you. 599 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: Know, something that is a little bit cheaper, and they 600 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: do feel as though it's a piece of legislation that's 601 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: impeded on their lives when they're drinking responsibly. Look to me, 602 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not a big drinker, so I 603 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: couldn't care less if we weren't allowed to drink five 604 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: days a week and you can only get a bottle 605 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: of wine on a Friday, I'd be like, no worries. 606 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: But I know that for a lot of people, they 607 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: don't feel that way, and I totally understand territory. 608 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 2: A lot of people, sorry, Selena, I will stop in 609 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 2: a minute. But the flaw price punishes the majority for 610 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 2: the actions of a few, and that's actually where I 611 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 2: think it doesn't work either. And as I said before, 612 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 2: we've seen alcohol related assaults increased by thirty eight percent 613 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 2: under labor over the last eight years. And people are 614 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 2: not drinking less, they have just changed what they drink, 615 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 2: as I've said, to go onto more hardened spirits. 616 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 3: Like Katie is. 617 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 4: It really doesn't make sense that we're talking about you know, 618 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 4: we've just spoken very heavily and it is a heavy 619 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 4: topic and traumatic topic when we talk about domestic famine, 620 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 4: sexual violence in the Northern Territory in the horrific numbers 621 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 4: and the horrific outcomes and impact across the NT, and 622 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 4: then we talk about alcohol exacerbating a lot of the 623 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 4: circumstances that we see across the Northern Territory. We've seen 624 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 4: the very strong words of the coroner. Recommendation five was 625 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 4: about reducing the availability of alcohol in that In those 626 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 4: thirty five recommendations, we talk about the absolute harm that 627 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 4: is caused by access to easy and cheap grog and 628 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 4: that's you know, it is from problem drinkers. We know 629 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 4: that we acknowledge that territorians do deserve to have and 630 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 4: enjoy their drink do it responsibly. But we can't have 631 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,240 Speaker 4: this conversation say oh, what's happening around alcohol related violence 632 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 4: and oh, actually we've got some anecdotal evidence here. There 633 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 4: is clear data and statistics from Abetual Congress, from the 634 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 4: Independent Researcher School of Mensi's Health, and the government is 635 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,280 Speaker 4: ignoring that very clear evidence. So we say, what drives policy, 636 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 4: what drives laws of the Northern Territory, what drives these 637 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 4: regulations around grog? And it has to be data and statistics, Katie, 638 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 4: and people don't feel like it's made a difference, but 639 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 4: the data speaks to otherwise. So the government can't pick 640 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 4: and choose what data they want to look at just 641 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 4: because it makes them feel better. 642 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: That will also be led by what territorians. 643 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 4: Want think that I really honestly am trying to wrap 644 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 4: my head around. We talk about the d TV sector 645 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,439 Speaker 4: and funding the DV sector and the SEALPIC government says, yes, 646 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 4: we need to take a step back and have a 647 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 4: proper review, but they've been in for three months and 648 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 4: they're automatically wanting to scrap the mim and floor price 649 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 4: unit without a review not working without a review, Katie. 650 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 4: That's the difference, right. They're saying review the DV sector 651 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 4: and the thirty five recommendations from the coroner. But we'll 652 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 4: actually forge ahead and do this change here around alcohol, 653 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 4: but we won't do a review process. 654 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 3: So where's the equity there? 655 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,720 Speaker 6: So, as I've said, where's the equity there? Related assaults 656 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:29,399 Speaker 6: have increased by. 657 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 4: Thirty where's your alcohol review? Then to to Shaw, what 658 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 4: should be working? Because that's what you've said for the 659 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 4: DV sector while you're doing. 660 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 3: That for the alcohol industry, it doesn't make sense. 661 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: I don't wonder if we need I mean, how long 662 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,399 Speaker 1: ago was the Riley review? It was a while ago 663 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: now seventeen, Yeah, So I do wonder whether we're at 664 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: the point where we need another alcohol we do, you reckon? 665 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,399 Speaker 5: We probably do. A new government should probably review all before. 666 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 3: They make any changes to alcohol policy. 667 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: That the big lines are lighting up, So you've got 668 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: everyone going this morning, lady. 669 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 5: The responsible drinkers being front and center when it comes 670 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 5: to alcohol policy. Twenty years ago in Alice Springs, Alice 671 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 5: Springs has we all know the strongest and the biggest 672 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 5: raft of alcohol restrictions. Probably in the country, we're used 673 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 5: to being restricted when it comes to buying alcohol, buying 674 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 5: our opening hours. Everyone knows the story, so we kind 675 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 5: of accept the fact that this is the world we 676 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 5: live in. Alcohol is our greatest problem, probably just in 677 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 5: front of domestic violence. So we accept that. But what 678 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 5: I don't accept is things that don't work. And I 679 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 5: don't think the floor price has been particularly effective, at 680 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 5: least in Alice Springs. It hasn't. However, I will say 681 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 5: that before the floor price was brought in Alice Springs, 682 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 5: liquor had an agreement to not sell certain products and 683 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 5: not sell they bought in their own floor price to 684 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 5: some extent, so and I think that changed the landscape 685 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 5: in Alice Springs. So when the actual floor price was 686 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 5: bought in, it didn't make any difference to Alice Springs. 687 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 2: So but I think also remembering that the floor price 688 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 2: has only seen a minimal Reduction's got a reduction, well 689 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 2: minimum a reduction, a minor reaction. 690 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 3: Are they going to scratch? 691 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 6: We are going to have to move along. 692 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 1: We are going to have to move along very quickly, ladies. 693 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: I do just want to briefly discuss the fact that 694 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: the government has announced that they are going to be 695 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: providing additional funding to Legal Aid NT ensuring that the 696 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: justice system is efficient, fit for purpose and capable of 697 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: delivering high quality legal services to territory. And so now 698 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 1: I want to touch on this because it is something 699 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 1: that we've spoken about on the week, that was on 700 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,720 Speaker 1: numerous occasions. So essentially what the Attorney General has said 701 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,879 Speaker 1: is that there's going to be an extra five point 702 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: two three five million dollars in funding for Legal Aid 703 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 1: that's going to comprise of one point three to three 704 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: five million already allocated, three point nine million being reprioritized 705 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: from within the AG's office. And we also know that 706 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: a NAJA, so she's said recent developments with the North 707 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: Australian Aboriginal Justice Agency may mark a turning point after 708 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 1: more than two years of instability. She said, NAJA has 709 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: been in shambles, with widespread calls for the board's resignation 710 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: from the government and the sector. We understand that NAJA 711 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: held its AGM earlier this week to refresh its constitution 712 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: and renew its board. While we await formal confirmations of 713 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: the outcomes, we expect the entire board has stepped down 714 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,880 Speaker 1: to enable a fresh start. Does anyone know if that 715 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 1: happened or not. 716 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 4: I'm hoping I have heard, but I had the information 717 00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 4: Katie that yes, I think all you know have to 718 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 4: get back to in your listeners. But I've heard that 719 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 4: all bar one of the board has stepped down and 720 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 4: only one remains and it'll be a new board. So 721 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 4: that's the only information I have in terms of not 722 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 4: no names. 723 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 1: Well, look, that's the right thing to do. 724 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 2: I spoke to the Attorney General this morning and asked 725 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 2: for an update on that and she hadn't heard that. 726 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 2: But if that's happened, well, I think that's a good thing. 727 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 2: But what we know, Katie, is that over many years, 728 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 2: the demand, the demand has increased due to the labour's 729 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 2: crime crisis. 730 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 6: We know that it's going to increase labor now now 731 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 6: we are trying to fix it. There has been an 732 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 6: increase in that funding. You know. 733 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 2: In addition, the broken justice system which sits between the 734 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 2: police and corrections, it. 735 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 6: Does need reforms and the Attorney General. 736 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 3: Is very different things. 737 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's right. I mean there are two very 738 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: different things obvious, well not entirely, but you know, the 739 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: Najer issue is one thing, but then obviously legal. 740 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 4: Legal a Katie, you know, the legal services in the 741 00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,040 Speaker 4: Northern Territory are the responsibility of the federal government in 742 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 4: terms of the funding. And again it's another area that 743 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,879 Speaker 4: we are not funded properly for the territory. But our 744 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,800 Speaker 4: territory opposition does welcome the injection that the CLPA government 745 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,839 Speaker 4: has given to anti legal aid, but we find that 746 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,359 Speaker 4: the again the hypocrisy of being able to get money 747 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,759 Speaker 4: out the door for one thing and not for the 748 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 4: DV sector that one hundred and eighty million dollars is 749 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 4: also counteractive. 750 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 5: In government has been why didn't you fix up Niger 751 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 5: or push the federal government to fix. 752 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 4: The federal the federal organizations as well, No Robin, Just 753 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,360 Speaker 4: so people do understand the injection that the CEP government 754 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 4: has given is territory money from a territory department into 755 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 4: an organization that should be funded probably by the federal government. Absolutely, 756 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 4: so we welcome that. We do welcome that, but we 757 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,120 Speaker 4: need to continue to book pressure and make sure the 758 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,360 Speaker 4: territory is not left out when it comes to our legal. 759 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:56,919 Speaker 3: SEP just like the DV set. 760 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: We'll take a really quick break and then we might 761 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about that federal funding and 762 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 1: if we might see some changes, because it seems like 763 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,399 Speaker 1: they are clearing the decks with legislation yesterday to get 764 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:06,240 Speaker 1: an election going. 765 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:07,360 Speaker 3: So we'll wait and see. 766 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 1: You are listening to mix one oh four nine's three 767 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 1: sixty before I let our panel go, if you have 768 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: just joined us Robin Lamley, Joe Hersey and Selena Rubo 769 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,760 Speaker 1: in the studio with me. But we know that Anthony 770 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 1: Albanez he cleared the decks well for what he is 771 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 1: being described as a fresh agenda ahead of next year's election, 772 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,360 Speaker 1: unit using the final full day of Federal Parliament to 773 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:34,840 Speaker 1: ram through more than thirty pieces of legislation. Thirty pieces 774 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 1: of legislation in one day. It's wild, including you know 775 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,839 Speaker 1: the social media band for those under the age of sixteen. Look, 776 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,839 Speaker 1: it does seem as though they're edging to try and 777 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,799 Speaker 1: head to an election early next year. 778 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 3: What do you reckon? 779 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's under a lot of pressure. He might try 780 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 5: and hang in there till the end. But I think 781 00:41:54,320 --> 00:42:01,240 Speaker 5: the pundits are saying maybe May third of May. I yeh, yesterday, Yeah. 782 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,840 Speaker 1: Right, I don't think as early as February. 783 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,880 Speaker 2: I don't think things are going to get any better 784 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:06,719 Speaker 2: for him. 785 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 6: Could they get any worse? Potentially get worse. Absolutely, we 786 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:13,960 Speaker 6: know that. 787 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 1: If there's one thing I've learned in politics, it's like 788 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,280 Speaker 1: when someone says things can't get worse, to go, hold 789 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: my bee. 790 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 6: Why did you say that? 791 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:22,120 Speaker 3: Knock on what? 792 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: But look, you know, however you look at it, it's 793 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,440 Speaker 1: a lot of legislation to ram through in one day. 794 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,319 Speaker 1: And the thing that I always worry about that kind 795 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: of thing, and as we've discussed on this show before, 796 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,279 Speaker 1: you know, if you're ramming through legislation that quickly, are 797 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 1: we going to see you know, implications that are negative 798 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,479 Speaker 1: because it's been rushed through. 799 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 3: So time will tell. 800 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 7: Yeah. 801 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, the total opposite the Territory parliament this week, Katie, 802 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,000 Speaker 4: we had two tiny little bits of legislation go through 803 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 4: in three days and that's a bit of a slow 804 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:52,720 Speaker 4: week in Northern Territory parliament. 805 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:53,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 806 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,279 Speaker 2: Right, there was a lot going on in parliament this 807 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,360 Speaker 2: week with fifty years of them. 808 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,840 Speaker 4: When we talk about laws a part for the territory, 809 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 4: we only got two through. 810 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,560 Speaker 3: So that's a very slow slow week of parliament. 811 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 1: Well, look, certainly wasn't in Cambri yesterday. By the sounds 812 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 1: of it, I reckon people would have been hoping it 813 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,880 Speaker 1: slowed down a little. We are going to have to 814 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 1: wrap up. Celia Rubo, the Opposition leader, Thanks, thank you 815 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,759 Speaker 1: Kati this morning. Joe Hersey, the Education Minister, thank you 816 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:18,840 Speaker 1: so much for your time. 817 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 2: Katie, and Merry Christmas to everyone out there. If I 818 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 2: don't talk to you all beforehand. 819 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 6: Thank you. 820 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 1: And Robin Lamley, the Speaker of the Northern Territories Legislative Assembly, 821 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 1: Thank you for your time this morning. 822 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:29,400 Speaker 5: Thanks Katie.