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Speaker 2: families dot com dot au Kylie, we've received an anonymous

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Speaker 1: Can I be anonymous?

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Speaker 2: Not now everyone knows you're you because I just said kite.

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Speaker 2: I'm so sorry missus. Happy Families the Surprise voice. Could

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Speaker 2: you please tell us? What is it that this wonderful

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Speaker 2: mum who's trying to get this right wants to know?

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Speaker 1: My eleven year old daughter loves makeup and loves doing

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Speaker 1: crazy colorful eyeshadow looks. She's pretty good at it. She

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Speaker 1: loves making videos on our iPad, and she's brought up

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Speaker 1: know if I want her all over social media like that,

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Speaker 1: and she's not even a teenager. Yet the Internet can

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Speaker 1: their comments. Am I being reasonable? Or should I let

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Speaker 2: I love this email. You can see a mom who

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Speaker 2: really wants her daughter to embrace what she's enjoying. She

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Speaker 2: And you can just see that eleven year old sitting

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Speaker 1: As you said that. I had a visual when my

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Speaker 1: Caught on cameras I did a swirl, I threw my

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Speaker 2: And your mum got stuck into you for that.

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Speaker 1: No, no, she didn't get stuck to me. I just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so glad it's not on the Internet. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So let's have a look at a snapshot of the

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Speaker 2: real influence of social media creators on Z. Gen Z

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Speaker 2: Generation Alpha. Here's what we know. Eighty percent about gen

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Speaker 2: z's are using social media more than once a day.

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Speaker 2: So this is this is where they live. Ninety plus

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Speaker 1: This Week in Parenting, all right, very on we shared

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Speaker 2: This is necessary. Now. If you proceed, If you proceed

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Speaker 1: It's absolutely a guarantee because the only reason that post

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Speaker 2: So the impact on self esteem, the impact on mental

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Speaker 1: When I look at this situation and I see this

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