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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, first off, why was such a serious violent offender

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Speaker 2: Look, it's the number one question everyone's asking, and obviously

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Speaker 1: Look, I'll get into a bit more detail about that

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Speaker 1: Guess what I'm wondering is if the police had a

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Speaker 2: So we haven't finalized what it looks like yet. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: How on earth are we still in this situation after

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Speaker 1: But we are in a situation right where we know

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Speaker 2: And you know people can understand why that's important as well.

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Speaker 2: Well, we don't have that overarching safety of community test,

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Speaker 1: It seems as though we have got so many holes

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Speaker 1: Like on the weekend, Leah, I went to nightcliff shops. Right,

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Speaker 2: And that's the work where I'm doing. We've had royal

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Speaker 1: How do you, though, how do you go against or

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I honestly, that is a well ventilated one

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Speaker 1: All right, Chief Minister, we're pressed for time. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: Yeah, people in Nightcliff were tricked. People in Nightcliffe were

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Speaker 2: large apartment building.

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Speaker 1: And the government's not got plans to take over that

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Speaker 1: side or anything.

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Speaker 2: Not that, not that I'm aware of. That might be

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Speaker 2: a different discussion. But look, there's no question that the

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Speaker 2: I'm sure the increase in density has impacted the Nightcliffer

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Speaker 2: as well. Again, the Labor member did that in our

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Speaker 2: own electorate. It's just, you know, we've just got to

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Speaker 2: continue to work on these issues. We've also got our

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Speaker 2: big housing reform piece coming up in a couple of months,

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Speaker 2: Gatty two, which will really reframe public housing.

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Speaker 1: What about Saint Phinni's you know, it's also been question

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Speaker 1: whether they're going to extend their time in coconut growth.

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Speaker 1: Some are saying that that's had an impact to the

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Speaker 1: antisocial behavior.

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Speaker 2: Yet we are hearing little bits about that. Obviously, Vinis

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Speaker 2: are trying to do their best there. My understanding is

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Speaker 2: they've got about eighteen months left and that site.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is like they do wonderful work.

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Speaker 1: There is no doubt about that. So I don't want

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Speaker 1: this to be you know, having a crack at then.

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Speaker 1: But wherever that work is done, there is antisocial behavior. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: nearby Stuart Park, the playground there could not be used

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Speaker 1: for years and years and years. For the first time

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Speaker 1: in the last couple of weeks have seen families using

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Speaker 1: that playground. But the point is then, unfortunately, you know,

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Speaker 1: whether we want it to be the case or not,

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Speaker 1: unfortunately you do see that anti social those antisocial issues

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Speaker 1: in some cases end up congregating around that area. So

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Speaker 1: could it be an outreach service? So I mean, does

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Speaker 1: the government need to look at talking to Vinnie's about

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Speaker 1: the way that things could be done differently, Maybe they

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Speaker 1: need a bus that drives around and helps people. I

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Speaker 1: don't know.

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Speaker 2: We've certainly had a couple of conversations with Vinnie and

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Speaker 2: also Larry kia Nation as well. They're looking to partner

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Speaker 2: with Vinnies about what something could look like. So I

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Speaker 2: think there's a lot of opportunity there, and of course

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Speaker 2: location is absolutely critical and that work continues. Again, it's

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Speaker 2: something we've picked up on labor promise to move it

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Speaker 2: out of Stuart Park, but then didn't find any for

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Speaker 2: Venice to go, so that has become a problem for

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Speaker 2: just a different suburb of course. But look, the work

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Speaker 2: is happening and I know everyone wants it done yesterday,

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Speaker 2: as do I Katie, because it's really difficult to live

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Speaker 2: your life free when you're not you know, when you're

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Speaker 2: making decisions about what time you go somewhere, whether you

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Speaker 2: bring the kids. That is not okay. And again, what

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Speaker 2: we've seen is an entire system wide reform to care

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Speaker 2: more about the offender than we do about people to

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Speaker 2: be safe, and unfortunately some parts of that are going

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Speaker 2: to take longer than other parts to fix.

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Speaker 1: You finished it, I mean, you are You're gonna get

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Speaker 1: pushed back from some saying that you know that that

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Speaker 1: youths do need rights and that you know that they

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be lost up. You're going to get pushed back

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Speaker 1: on that. I mean, are you going to stand up

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Speaker 1: to those people that push back and so that you're

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Speaker 1: going too hard or that you're you know, what you're

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Speaker 1: doing is not going to make a difference.

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Speaker 2: Of course we will, just like well, you know, if

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Speaker 2: people think back to eight weeks into our government when

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Speaker 2: we pass that reducing crime package, people were howling from

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Speaker 2: the rooftops about that, you know, and again Labor and

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Speaker 2: the Green Independent and the other Independent did haven't supported

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Speaker 2: us on our Laura and order agenda, and it'd be

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Speaker 2: very interesting on Wednesday to see how are labor, how

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Speaker 2: is Kat McNamara, and how is Justine Davies going to

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Speaker 2: vote on Wednesday? And that's where you should be asking

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Speaker 2: your local member of Parliament.

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Speaker 1: Well, Leah Financiaro, I know that's been quite an extended

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Speaker 1: period of time for you this morning to be in here.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your time and appreciate you taking the time

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Speaker 1: to answer all of those questions. We'll catch up with

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Speaker 1: you again soon.

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Speaker 2: Take care everyone.

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Speaker 1: Thank you,