1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: Joining me live on the line. We don't usually have 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: a minister two days in a row, but she's got 3 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: some good stuff happening. It is the Minister for Education 4 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: and Training, Joe Hersey. Good morning Joe. 5 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and good morning listeners. And yes, I 6 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 2: feel like a bit of a frequent flyer, but there 7 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 2: is a lot going on in education at the start 8 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 2: of the year and it's very exciting. 9 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's lots happening. Hey, I'll get to the swimming 10 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: lessons in just a moment, but you and I did 11 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: speak quite extensively yesterday about the situation at the bus 12 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: exchange in Palmerston on Friday. Is there any updates on, 13 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: you know, on what's going on with this violence that 14 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: we've seen both on the bus and also at the exchange. 15 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 2: Yes. So I have just been speaking with the department 16 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: since this because it is it is. I will just 17 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 2: let parents know it is totally unacceptable behavior. And so 18 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: I'm just looking at maybe, you know, an a tenants 19 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 2: officer going on the buses. We're just not sure, you know, 20 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 2: if they're allowed to go on the buses or whatever. 21 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: So that's all been worked through at the moment and 22 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: potentially that will then lead into the PPSOS, but that's 23 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 2: a few months down the track as well. But I'm 24 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 2: certainly working very hard at a solution for those parents 25 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 2: so that they have the confidence that their child can 26 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 2: travel safely and you get to school safely on a 27 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: school bus, which they should be able to do. That 28 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 2: is their right to do that. 29 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, that's what we expect to be able to 30 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: get our kids to school and to get them there safely, 31 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: particularly when we're juggling jobs and trying to juggle everything 32 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: in the morning and you just want to know your 33 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: kids are going to be okay. 34 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And that was disgusting behavior, I will say again, 35 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: absolutely disgusting. 36 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: So I do want to ask you about this situation 37 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: with the swimming lessons. I know that a lot of 38 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: Northern Territory kids have been part of these free swimming lessons. Now, 39 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: back in November twenty twenty four, the government announced that 40 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: you were going to be delivering on this commitment providing 41 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: those free swimming and water safety lessons to all primary 42 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: school AID children in the Northern Territory. Today, of course 43 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: announcing that it is going to be extended. How long 44 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: is it being extended for. 45 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is something that last year we came 46 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: out and said that, you know, swimming and life saving 47 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: schools is very important given our you know, lifestyle here 48 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: in the territory. And so last year schools there was 49 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,839 Speaker 2: three million dollars for the program that will be ongoing. 50 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 2: It will be made permanent this year. And it was 51 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 2: such a success last year Katie, there was seventeen eight 52 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: hundred and ninety nine children participating from one hundred and 53 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: sixty schools across the territory. And you know, there was 54 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: I know that the opposition questioned us about, you know, 55 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 2: how remote schools would get in and remote schools did 56 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 2: some really good work in whether they were like our 57 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 2: Perrillum for example, went into the Devil's Marble Hotel there 58 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 2: and also there was other there was four other communities 59 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: that actually went into Tenant Creek and made it a 60 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 2: full week of their swimming and then they culminated in 61 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: a carnival at the end. So the department has been 62 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: working with those schools and making sure that everyone gets 63 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: this these you know, very important life saving skills. How 64 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 2: much is. 65 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,679 Speaker 1: It going to cost to extend the program and does 66 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: that have to fall under a school's budget or is 67 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: there additional funding. 68 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 2: No, So that funding the three million dollars that for 69 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: the school program that will go to schools. It will 70 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 2: be permanent, ongoing four schools to deliver their swimming programs. 71 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 2: And you know, we know that the cost of living 72 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: hits parents pretty hard, so parents won't be having their 73 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: hand in their pocket for this. It will be free 74 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: for those families and that money will come from the 75 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 2: department two schools, so those schools can run that that program. 76 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: Joe. I mean, as you know, inflation goes up, is 77 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: that funding going to have to increase at some point? 78 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: You know, the cost of everything's on the rise. Is 79 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: it going to have to increase at some point? 80 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think you know, when budgets are done each year, 81 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: I think those factors need to be taken into consideration, 82 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 2: and I'm positive they will be. So if it costs 83 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 2: more to deliver the program, then you know, we will 84 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: make sure that you know that money is there for 85 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 2: the schools. It is as I said, it is a 86 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 2: very important program right across the territory and right across 87 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: for every school child. And just to let you know 88 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 2: and the listeners know how important that program is the 89 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 2: member for Braitling was telling me last year of a 90 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 2: parent that came into his office and was in tears 91 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 2: because her child had been saved by another child that 92 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: had done the school swimming program and it was such 93 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: a good story that she shared. She said, had her 94 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: child not done that swimming lessons, then you know, it 95 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 2: could have been a very different result. And I think 96 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 2: that's what we have to remember in the long run, 97 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 2: especially with you know, the weather we have, like I said, 98 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: our lifestyle. We've got camping, you know, people go fishing. 99 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: There's water holes right around the territory, backyard pools. It's 100 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 2: very important. 101 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: It is so important. Joe. I'm an old learned to 102 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: swim teacher. I used to be swimming in the day. 103 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: I cannot speak highly enough of making sure that kids 104 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: learn how to swim and that they learned that water safety. 105 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: I think it is something that every child should be learning. 106 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 1: So I think it's a good announcement and I've no 107 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: doubt that a lot of parents will be pleased to 108 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: hear that it's being extended. 109 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, Katie. And yeah, as a previous learned 110 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 2: a swim teacher very many years ago, myself. I mean, 111 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 2: I loved her. And the best thing was you saw 112 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: those little kids come in that couldn't swim, and by 113 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 2: the end of their Swim and Survive program, they could swim, 114 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: whether it be you know, across the pool or just 115 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 2: their twenty five meters, or the older ones get confident 116 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: to do fifty meters or do their life saving skills. 117 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 2: It really is very important, and I couldn't believe that 118 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 2: it wasn't something that was consistent right across the territory. 119 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 2: So I'm very pleased to be able to announce that 120 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 2: that will be permanent for families delivering you know, cost 121 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 2: of living relief. And you know another I just we 122 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: haven't really talked about the back to school vouchers at all, 123 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 2: and I just thought, while I'm on and talking to 124 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 2: you about it. You know, the back to school vouchers 125 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: is the two hundred dollars. So this year, after hearing 126 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: some concerns about that also, Katie, we made sure that 127 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 2: that back to school voucher can be now used up 128 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: to term three. And for example, you have two children 129 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: at school like you were younger, we wasn't growing as 130 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: fast as your older girl and she needed more than 131 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 2: two hundred dollars. You could transfer those vouchers now where 132 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: you couldn't before, So you've basically got four hundred dollars 133 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 2: for your family to use how you choose to use it. 134 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: I think that would be beneficial as well. Is some 135 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,799 Speaker 1: sports more expensive than others, and you know some clubs 136 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: do some subsidized registration for different sports as well, so 137 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: it might be that then you know, you're able to 138 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: use fifty for another sport or I don't know, like 139 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: you're able to juggle lot. So I do think that's 140 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: a common sense way to do it. 141 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 2: So we certainly heard some concerns across the territory of 142 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 2: not being able to you couldn't use the back to 143 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 2: school voucher, like some parents didn't have the time, you know, 144 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 2: because their kids didn't need stuff. But also if they 145 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: had three children, for example, they couldn't. Some schools let 146 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 2: them use it across different siblings and others didn't. So 147 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: it's about again being consistent delivering on our Cross to 148 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: Living Relief and the two hundred dollars back to school voucher. 149 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 2: If you've got two children, either child can use the 150 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: voucher depending on their needs of the family, which is 151 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: really important. 152 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: So a couple of quick listener questions. I've got one 153 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: that just came through saying, hello, Katie, do parents get 154 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: a fine for their kids not attending school? 155 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: The only time a child a parent will get a 156 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 2: fine for their children not attending school is if it 157 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: is over twenty days or more. And is it a 158 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: progressive thing. It's not like they're sick today or you're 159 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 2: going on holidays for a week or even two weeks 160 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 2: or whatever, because people would generally notify the school. The 161 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: only time parents will be getting a fine and that's 162 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: the very end result. Because the attendants officers are working 163 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: right across the territory with families and I just last 164 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: week was out in Alice Springs with them working across 165 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: the community there. They know the families out in the communities. 166 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: They're speaking to them, engaging with them. Most parents will 167 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 2: not be getting a fine unless it is just prolonged 168 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: and they are flouting the rules and not having their 169 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 2: children go to school. So the majority of people know 170 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: they will not be getting a fine unless it is 171 00:08:55,840 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 2: like as I said, extended, you know noncom clients and 172 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 2: their child is not going to school. Because at the 173 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 2: end of the day. Every right, every child has a 174 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 2: right for a good education, and it is against the 175 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 2: law to not send your child to school. 176 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: So another one from a listener, how are you meant 177 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: to do anything about these kids at the bus stop? 178 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 1: You can't even pull them off each other without getting 179 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 1: in trouble, says that text. 180 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 2: I feel like the minister needs to get on the bus, Katie. 181 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: I reckon you might, Joe, I'll show you what. I 182 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 2: don't know that they'd be misbehaving, but I'm not sure 183 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: that that's actually appropriate. But as I said earlier, I 184 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 2: am desperately working towards a solution because it is not acceptable. 185 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: So whether it be whether we can get the attendant's 186 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 2: officers on for a little while, because at the end 187 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 2: of the day, the bus driver is there to drive 188 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 2: the bus yep, he's there. Good morning, good afternoon to 189 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 2: the kids or whatever. That's another thing. You know, they're 190 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: just manners and respect Katie. These days. If I can 191 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 2: just go on for a minute, when kids get on 192 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 2: and off the bus, do they actually say good afternoon 193 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 2: or good morning? Does the bus driver say that back 194 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 2: to them? I do not build the rapport and build 195 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 2: some you know, relationship with those kids that are getting on, 196 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 2: but it is totally unacceptable and the bus driver should 197 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 2: not have to put up with that, and nor should 198 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 2: other kids traveling on that bus. 199 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: So we've got a flurry of questions this morning. Another one, 200 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 1: can you ask the minister about Nemola delivering swimming lessons 201 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: as per the COLP promise. I've been waiting six months 202 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: for an answer and not even my local MP can 203 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: get a response. 204 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 2: Okay, I will make sure I get back to you 205 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 2: on that one. I'm not aware that they are not 206 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 2: doing swimming lessons, but I will get back to you. 207 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: That's hey, a really quick one that actually came through 208 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: yesterday and I forgot to ask you. It was from 209 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: someone in Catherine wondering if you're going to be supporting 210 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: the centenary of Catherine. 211 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 2: I think it's happening this year one hundred percent. Catherine 212 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 2: is turning one hundred this year on the first of July. 213 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 2: There is with the Catherine Town Council and there was 214 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 2: a Centenary Action group working towards our celebrations and that 215 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 2: will be happening around krack and Night as well, which 216 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 2: is the first of July. And everyone loves to celebrate that, 217 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 2: So there will be potentially I've got a meeting with 218 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 2: the mayor this afternoon and we'll go through a few things, 219 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 2: but Catherine will definitely be supported for a absolute rip 220 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: brawing party and celebrating our one hundred years here in Catherine. 221 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: Awesome sounds like one we might want to attend, Joe. 222 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 2: You absolutely will. Everyone should be coming to Catherine. You know, 223 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 2: we are the center of the universe and everything good 224 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 2: happens here. 225 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: But I reckon if someone could put on a party, 226 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: it's the people of Catherine. I've no doubt about that. 227 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 2: That's all right, Joe Hersey making sure we do it well. 228 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: I reckon you will. Joe Hersey, thank you as always 229 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: for your time. Really appreciate it this morning. 230 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 2: Thanks Katie, thank you you too. 231 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: That is the Minister for Education and Training there, Joe Hersey. 232 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: She is also the local member there in Catherine. And 233 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: we might try and catch up with the mayor Catherine, 234 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: maybe even tomorrow if they are due to meet this afternoon, 235 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: just to find out, you know, what could be on 236 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 1: the cards.