1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Whether you have heard about them on Insta or someone 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: you know is taking them. There is a lot of 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: chat online about peptides, especially in the anti aging space. 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: So today on the Nutrition Couch we chat all things 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: peptides and whether taking them will take us back to 6 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: having the skin of a teenager. Hi, I'm Cusy Burrell 7 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: and Emily and Wood, and together we bring you the 8 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: Nutrition Couch, the weekly podcast that keeps you up to 9 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: date on everything you need to know in the world of. 10 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: Nutrition, as well as peptides. 11 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: We are chatting the TikTok trend of fiber maxing. We 12 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: have a new protein rich breakfast cereal to profile, and 13 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: our listener question is all about soft frink. So I'll 14 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: pass to you on this one, Leam, because you are 15 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: a resident dut expert, as I often refer to. But 16 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,639 Speaker 1: I had a request from an editor to write an 17 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: article about five out maxing, which of course sounds like 18 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: an amazing special dietary trend, but when we deep dive it, 19 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: it's actually a little bit basic, isn't it. Perhaps something 20 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: we've been talking about on the Nutrition Couch, but quite 21 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: sometime it's basic, and it's been doing the rounds for 22 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: quite a while, And I remember when I first looked 23 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: into it, thinking ooh, a new trend about fiber, like 24 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: I can get on board with this, And then when 25 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: I looked into it, it was basically just in summary, 26 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: it's getting people to eat their recommended amounts of fiber, 27 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: because in Australia it's recommended that females get about twenty 28 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:20,559 Speaker 1: five grams of fiber and. 29 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 3: Healthy males get about thirty grams. I generally say all 30 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 3: of my female clients anyway aimed at thirty grams. It's 31 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 3: probably a good thing, but the reality is that most 32 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 3: austrains are probably only getting anywhere between fifteen and twenty 33 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 3: grams of fiber, and sometimes it's not probably from the 34 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 3: right sources of fiber eat like our whole grains, our legumes, 35 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 3: our fruits and vegetables. It's probably coming more in terms 36 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 3: of that process fiber like in you know, things like 37 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 3: snack bars, and more in types of different cereals. Like 38 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 3: food manufacturers have really cottoned onto the fact that they 39 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 3: can almost manipulate some of the dietary guidelines to make 40 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 3: foods appear a bit better by dumping in a whole 41 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 3: lot of additionally sort of processed fiber, which is it's 42 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 3: still good, but it's nowhere near as great as the 43 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 3: type of fiber that we really get from our whole 44 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 3: grains and our legumes and our fruits and our vegetables. 45 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,399 Speaker 3: So it's basically a little fancy term, which I don't 46 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 3: have a problem with. I love that people are trying 47 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 3: to eat more fiber. I think it's wonderful. But I 48 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 3: do think that if you're someone that doesn't particularly eat 49 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 3: a whole lot of fiber, you need to go slowly 50 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 3: because when you dump a whole lot of fiber into 51 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 3: your diet too quickly, it can actually cause adverse effects. 52 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 3: And you know you'll be tootin' from the other side 53 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 3: if you add too much fibrin, and you might actually 54 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 3: become a little bit more blocked up if you're not 55 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 3: adding enough water or fluid with that as well. So 56 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 3: lots of fiber needs lots of water to help things 57 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 3: move through properly, and a very small increase at a time, 58 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 3: and generally, say think about increasing fiber like weight training 59 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 3: at the gym, you've got to go low, and you've 60 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 3: got to go slow, and you just continuously increase your 61 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 3: weights over time, you continuously increase your fiber over time. 62 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 3: But I think the bottom line is that whole foods 63 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 3: come first, you know, particularly when it comes to your health, 64 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 3: and particularly when it comes to getting the right types 65 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 3: and sauces of fiber, because there's many different types of 66 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 3: fiber out there. But the more diverse your diet, the better. 67 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 3: And I still see clients every single day that, despite 68 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 3: their best intentions, are barely eating any legumes, are barely 69 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 3: eating any whole grains because they're sort of fearfull of carbohydrates, 70 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 3: or you know, they're certainly not eating the five plus 71 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 3: serves of vegetables we want each day. 72 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: And you know, there's a little. 73 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 3: Bit of fear around fruit because there's too much sugar 74 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 3: in it. So absolutely, if you've got to jump on 75 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 3: the fibermaxxing trend, start with whole foods first. You are 76 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 3: be doing the best thing for your body. And if 77 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 3: you are someone that is a little bit more sensitive 78 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 3: in terms of perhaps an IBS background, or you know, 79 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 3: you just get a little bit too bloated with fiber, 80 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 3: really try to evenly distribute that throughout the day. So 81 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 3: have a little bit of fiber in your breakfast, you 82 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 3: might have a bit of berries, a bit of old oats, 83 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 3: and say just a teaspoon of cheer seeds, and that's 84 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 3: going to give you a really good amount of fiber. 85 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 3: Through are a few different types of foods, and same 86 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 3: with lunch. You might have a couple of slices of 87 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 3: some really dense whole grain bread, or you might add 88 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 3: just you know, a couple of tablespoons of legumes in 89 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 3: a salad to begin with. See how you tolerate that, 90 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 3: and then consistently increase that as the weeks go on. 91 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 3: But really that those process fibers in the you know, 92 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 3: the protein bars and the snack bars and the cereals 93 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 3: and the supplements, that is not really what we want 94 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 3: when we think about fiber maxing. Like I've had clients 95 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 3: show me before, you know, protein bars with twelve grams 96 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 3: of fiber in a tiny bar, all cereals with you know, 97 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 3: twelve grams of fiber in a bowl of cereal. It's 98 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 3: just too much. And I just think that our guts 99 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 3: really aren't supposed to tolerate all of that all at once. 100 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 2: I mean, if you. 101 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 3: Are someone who is a very sort of plant based 102 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,239 Speaker 3: in a vegan type diet, then you probably can tolerate 103 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 3: a lot of fiber more so than the average adult 104 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 3: who doesn't eat a whole lot. So it really does 105 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 3: come back to I guess, individual tolerance loads. But I'm 106 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 3: certainly a big fan of the fibermaxing trend. I wouldn't 107 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 3: even call it a trend. I mean, dietitians have been 108 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 3: telling people forever in a day to eat more fibers. 109 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 3: So if it's come out as a bit of a 110 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: TikTok trend, then I'm here for zuzia more for it. 111 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,119 Speaker 3: But it's nothing different into what we've been telling people 112 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 3: for decades and decades. Eat more fiber, eat more good food, 113 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 3: and really try to get as much diversity in your 114 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 3: diet as possible. Donat the same things all of the time, 115 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 3: because you're really just limiting yourself from a gut health perspective, 116 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 3: but also from a fiber and even just a nutrient 117 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 3: and antioxidant perspective as well. So diversity is absolutely key 118 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 3: when we think about fiber, when we think about gut health. 119 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: True. 120 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: I think there's two things I want to get your 121 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: take on. The first is I don't like the term maxing, 122 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: because to me, that is talking about the more the better, which, 123 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: as you've alluded to, now that's not the case. And 124 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: I think it really fuels that diet culture that some 125 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: is good, but you actually need as much as possible, 126 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: and people having you know, massive amounts which you do 127 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: get you know, a group who are heavily invested in 128 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: health and will just then super load, so you'll be 129 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: getting smoothies with vegetables and chi are and nut butter 130 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: and like you know, they're having, like you describe, multiple 131 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: serves per day. And also I think it encourages food 132 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: manufacturers to plug in fiber, to tick the box on it, 133 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: when as we know, it's not about more, it's about 134 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: the mix, you know, I think we need to talk 135 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: about the fact that it's about a blend of fibers. 136 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: So I'll see people who might be having plenty of 137 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: fruit but not enough vegetables because of course, ideally for 138 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: gut health we need a mix of insoluble fibers which 139 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: move through the digestive track. Then we need soluble fibers 140 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: which help to bulk the stool and even lower cholesterol 141 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 1: and of course ideally as well as resistant starch. Whereas 142 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: when I was seeing people who perhaps have still got 143 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: tummy troubles, even though on the surface they look like they're. 144 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 2: Having plenty of fiber itach boots. 145 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: They're often superloading one type but then getting no, say, 146 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: cereal fiber because they've cut bread and cereals out of 147 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 1: their diet. So I think one of the things we 148 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: want to really emphasize is those amounts twenty five to 149 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: thirty grams you want to mix, and hence recommendations for 150 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: a couple of bits of fruit, no serves of veggies, 151 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: plus whole grains each day. And you'll find once you 152 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: start to fiddle and get rid of carbs or change 153 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: your natural diet, that's when you're get problems. Or you 154 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: suddenly super load, like you said with massive beans, and 155 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: one way you've got a stomach ache. So you know, 156 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 1: you better to look at individual types rather than just 157 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: add more and more or supplement hugely. That's the first thing. 158 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: The second thing I'll say is I find people oscillate 159 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: with dietary trends because they might be very good at 160 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: home three or four days a week, and then suddenly 161 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: they find themselves eating out on the weekends and they'll 162 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: start with a bunting sausage sandwich in the morning, a 163 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: couple of coffees out, maybe a juice with the kids, 164 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: some sushi or a fast food meal, you know, and 165 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: all food away from the home is very very rarely 166 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: hid fib you know, unless you're getting a vegetarian natchos 167 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: with bean based or a sort of pokey bowl packed 168 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: full of brown rice. If you're eating things like sushi, 169 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: fast food meal deals, Turkish bread, sandwiches, traditional food you 170 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: pick up at food courts, cafes and restaurants, you will 171 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: be very low in fiber. You know. You get the 172 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: steak lyan and you get a bit of fries or potato. 173 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,559 Speaker 1: There's very rarely veggies, and if there is, you're paying 174 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: fifteen dollars for a container of beans, or it's a 175 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: few little bits of lettuce, So be mindful. It's about 176 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: consistency and if you do find yourself eating out on 177 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: the weekends, making sure that you've had one veggie rich meal. 178 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: So a trick I use often myself. If i know 179 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to be eating out, going to a pub 180 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: with friends in the night, traveling, I'll try and make 181 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: one of my meals that day a soup or a salad. 182 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: So then I can tick the box on the fiber. 183 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: So if that is you on weekends at work eating out, 184 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: just make sure that you're compensating with the extra fresh 185 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: food on that day. That's the best thing for digestive health, 186 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 1: the consistency the types of fiber, and then making sure 187 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: you're compensating when you're traveling eating out, because that's when 188 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: you won't get it. You know, look at catering, what's available, 189 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: sausage roll spring rolls, you know, all of that food 190 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: is very rarely got any veggies, which I've noticed in 191 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 1: my friend's circle will often put out a tray of 192 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 1: raw veggies for the kids, like and it's gorgeous, and 193 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: it's expensive. You know, you've got cucumber, capstickerm celery, like 194 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: that's not inexpensive compared to a pack of the chips. 195 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: But you know what, leand the kids eat them. And 196 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: that is such a positive way of doing it without 197 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: ramming it down to people's throat, is just have it 198 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: on option and then people eat it. But what I 199 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 1: specifically wanted to ask you, because this is more your 200 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: area than mine, because we see in the snack bars 201 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: now we see the chickory root fiber added we see 202 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: the inulin added to tick the box they claim on 203 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: the label, you know, high in fiber, fiber, rich lowing 204 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: carb What is the difference physiologically chemically in a fiber 205 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: like that versus a all brand which is good old 206 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: wheat fiber, in soluble fiber. 207 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 3: They're just different types of fiber. Look, I think they're 208 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 3: all okay, Like it's not to say that one is 209 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 3: good and one is bad, but I think that we 210 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 3: need a nice healthy blend of it. And you know, 211 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 3: you were just explaining all the different types of fiber 212 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 3: and vegetables. But the reality is that I think a 213 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: lot of us think that there's a ton of fiber 214 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 3: and vegetables. The reality is that there's not much. Like 215 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 3: you're putting out some carrots and cucumber, some celery sticks. 216 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 3: It's actually not a whole lot of fiber where you're 217 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 3: going to get the bulk of fiber from and the 218 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 3: best type of fiber when we look at the best 219 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 3: available evidence we have in terms of gut health, it's 220 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 3: whole grains and leg gibs. Yet people are so scared 221 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 3: of carbohydrates and people are just like there's this weird 222 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 3: perception of beans that they're just uncool. And you know, 223 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 3: people don't really eat beans or legumes like people turn 224 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 3: their nose up, they're like ew. Whereas like my girls 225 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 3: eat beans by the canload because I've given them them 226 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 3: since they were a baby. They just don't know any different. 227 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 3: They'll just snack on like a four bean mix or 228 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 3: some black beans or something. 229 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: I think it's one of. 230 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 3: The best superfoods that you can give people, particularly young children. 231 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,719 Speaker 3: So it's just different strokes with different folks, Like it's 232 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 3: different types of fibers. They all do good things at 233 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 3: our gut, but the best available evidence really does come 234 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 3: from the whole grains and the legumes and also you know, 235 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 3: including some nuts and seeds. Just thinking about, oh, eating 236 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 3: more fruits and vegetables will not cut it from a 237 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 3: fiber perspective. And ill somewhat agree to disagree with you 238 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 3: in terms of the fiber maxing term. I don't mind 239 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 3: it because I think that as long as you're focusing 240 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 3: on whole foods, you can't eat that much fiber. Like 241 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with the client having a 242 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 3: smoothie with you know, vegetables and fruit and cheeryat it's 243 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 3: a nut buttery in it. I don't have a problem 244 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 3: with that, because you can only eat a certain amount 245 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 3: of all of these types of whole grains and legumes 246 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 3: and fruits and veggies, like the body will just tap 247 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 3: out because it's so full after a while. You can 248 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 3: only eat so much salad before you're so full. But 249 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 3: when you're taking in the fiber from different sources like 250 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 3: you mentioned in the protein bars and the snack bars 251 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 3: and cereals, it's far easy to max out on that 252 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 3: and superload that and get a lot of GI upsets 253 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 3: from having you know, forty to fifty grams plus of that, 254 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 3: which probably isn't the best way to do it. But 255 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 3: when you're trying to get thirty to forty grams of 256 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 3: proper fiber and from whole foods, it's very very, very 257 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 3: very difficult, and you do get pretty full pretty quickly, 258 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 3: So it's actually really difficult to overdo it on fiber 259 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 3: from whole foods. So I'll just leave the listeners with that. 260 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 3: As long as you're doing it from a whole food 261 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 3: first perspective, I think you're probably going to be okay. 262 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 3: And if you are that little bit sensitive, just try to, 263 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 3: you know, increase it slowly, but our body will adapt. 264 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 3: The gut is like a muscle. It can grow, and 265 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 3: it can change and adapt and tolerate more over time time. 266 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 3: As long as you're only giving it very small amounts 267 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 3: and slowly increasing, you're not giving it a ton of 268 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 3: fiber all at once. So that's probably my my takeaway 269 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 3: message for our listeners today. Sure, and I think if 270 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 3: you're interested in how much you're having, just plug it 271 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 3: into my fitness Pal and have a look at the 272 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 3: numbers and you might be surprised. The estrayan average only 273 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 3: twenty percent reach the targets basically, so a lot of 274 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 3: people get around twenty when really we need that little 275 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 3: bit more for digestive health in particular. So yeah, have 276 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 3: a little calculate and see how you're going. All right, well, 277 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 3: peptides lean. 278 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: I don't know about your Instagram feed at the moment, 279 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: but every literal second post I'm seeing is all about peptides, 280 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: to the point where I'm like, oh my god, should 281 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: I you know, should we be taking asplin And I'm 282 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: missing something? And again you may correct me if I'm wrong, 283 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: but I don't think so. I think that it may 284 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: be just a little bit of a spin and something 285 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: that people are selling a lot of. So the first 286 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: thing I would say about peptides is peptides are nothing 287 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: overly special. We're all assuming them every day, primarily through 288 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: the foods that we're eating. They're just short chains of 289 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: amino acids, which are the building box of protein, which 290 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: is why they are often linked to things like skin 291 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: health because of collagen tissue a lasting kerotin for the hair. 292 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: You know. 293 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: It's these different concentrated mixing of peptides that we basically 294 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: consume through food. It's not like we don't get them, 295 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: you know, particularly things like our meat, dairy food, animal 296 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: based foods, some legumes, lentils. They're natural sources of these peptides. 297 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: So when you're seeing supplements out there in a growing 298 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: range of them, or with long scientific names which make 299 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: us think that this is the new super peptide to 300 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: make us look ten years younger, that's all it is. 301 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: They're just isolating these molecules and concentrating them, And I 302 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: guess the science is arguing that if you concentrate certain pathways, 303 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: these are the ones that promote various health outcomes. So, 304 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: for example, without knowing all the individual ones, you know 305 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: you may be being sold product that is compounded to 306 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: be a concentrated amount of something that might be linked 307 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: to the peptide chain involved in new skin cell generation 308 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: for example. And of interest, the range of GP medications 309 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: are simply types of peptides which have been shown to 310 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: enhance satiety. So again, these are actually molecules that we 311 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: are all consuming. Now when you take a look at 312 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: the research, and Leanne can share if she has seen 313 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: or read differently, when you take a look at the research, yes, 314 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:36,239 Speaker 1: there is some to support supplementing some of these peptides 315 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: for things like skin elasticity and the look of the skin. 316 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: So I would say my take home or thoughts on 317 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: it are would I invest in them? 318 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 3: No? 319 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 2: And I tell you why. 320 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: Because in my experience working with people, the average human 321 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: being is not eating anywhere near an optimal amount of 322 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: fresh whole food that they need for optimal cellular functioning. 323 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 2: So I'm not talking. 324 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: About two serves of fruits and five staves of veggies, 325 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: which most people don't get anyway, Remember one inten Australians 326 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: don't get that to start with. I'm talking about getting 327 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: three to four serves of amega three fats each week. 328 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: I'm talking about hitting protein targets every single day. I'm 329 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: talking about keeping saturated fat and other process feeds to 330 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: a minimum in the diet. I'm talking about reducing alcohol intake. 331 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: I'm talking about getting optimal seven to ten serves of 332 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: brightly colored the visuals because I know that this is 333 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: the cheapest, most cost effective way to look, feel your best, 334 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: and prevent disease states long term. So do I then 335 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: want to go and spend I'm just having a look 336 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: at the amount of money on some of the one 337 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: hundred and forty dollars on a supplement of a certain peptide. Well, 338 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: if I was a multimillionaire and invested in anti aging, possibly, 339 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: but no, because there's so many, like when do you stop? 340 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: How many do you take? Like it's like a never 341 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: ending option. So I think what we're seeing online, and 342 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: maybe I'm a bit cynical, is people who get online 343 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: and they say that they're taking all these miracle peptides 344 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: to change your life. And everyone thinks, oh my god, great, 345 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: I can throw a hundred bucks and have a peptide 346 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: that's going to make me look so much younger. 347 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 2: I'm going to buy it. 348 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: Because the people I know who are the most up 349 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: to date in this area and have unlimited financial resources. 350 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: You know what they do, Leanne They're going to clinics 351 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: and getting injectibles. 352 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 2: Botosh at a baseline level. 353 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're getting a Facebook now, you know, they're going 354 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: and getting stem cell therapy for anti aging. That's what 355 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: they're doing now. In Australia we're quite heavily regulated, but 356 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: I'm seeing more and more who's who have Instagram overseas 357 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: and people I know who are either for health purposes 358 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: or have a lot of resources, they go and do 359 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: full injectibles at a cellular level. That's probably where it's 360 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: at this For me, peptides are a bit of a 361 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: scam in the set that you're promised a lot and 362 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: you pay a lot for it, and I don't know 363 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: if we can really say it's actually worth it. But 364 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: maybe I'm just getting old and cynical. 365 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 2: What do you think? 366 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 3: No, there's certainly no research behind and I'm like you, 367 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 3: My Instagram feed is filled with just like you know, 368 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 3: moms in their forty years, zero qualifications in terms of 369 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 3: they're not a doctor, they're not a dietitian, they're not 370 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 3: even a scientist. They're literally just you know, I don't 371 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 3: know mums who work in regular jobs, nothing to do 372 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 3: with medicine or health or anything, right, who work in 373 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 3: pyramid sales and they're taking a lot of them are 374 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 3: injecting these peptides. And when I looked into it further, 375 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 3: you know, scroll back through their feed, there was a 376 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 3: few of them. They're all American. I didn't really see 377 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 3: any sort of Aussie influences promoting them. They were really 378 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 3: American based, and a lot of them are injecting them, 379 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, are they disusing like glp ones, 380 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 3: And certainly yes, the dolp ones are a type of peptide. 381 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 3: But I think it's all just If I had to 382 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 3: choose one word for peptides right now, hey, I might 383 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 3: change my mind in three years. You can bring me 384 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 3: this segment back three years and future, but right now 385 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 3: I would choose one word as being gimmicky. That would 386 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 3: be my word, because peptides are just there's short chain 387 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 3: of mini asseids, right, Like they're a real thing. They're 388 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 3: not untrue, but they're such a broad term, right, They're 389 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 3: a broad chemistry term. That's what a peptide is, So 390 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 3: The issue I have, Susie, is that a lot of 391 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 3: things are marketed online as peptides, but truly a peptide 392 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 3: in its broadest chemistry by biology term should be regulated. 393 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 3: It should be prescriptive, it should be you know, it 394 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 3: should have safety in America FDA, in Australia TGA. You know, 395 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 3: they should have protocols and safety regularly. You know, it 396 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 3: should be prescribed by a doctor or a dietitian, but 397 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 3: unfortunately they're not. You can literally just buy them offline. 398 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 3: And I think that's where the issue lies. And I 399 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 3: was watching a Great Doctor from America from somewhere in America, 400 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 3: and they were basically doing a summary of peptides and 401 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 3: basically it was everything that I'd sort of come up with. 402 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 3: They were saying, like, we don't have enough evidence for it. 403 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 3: They're just randomly sold online. People aren't actually being personal 404 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 3: gripped about it. You know, they can be a bit dangerous. 405 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 3: You might not be taking the right dose, you might 406 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 3: not be taking the right type of it to have 407 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 3: a clinical effect. Because as you describe, peptides can be 408 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 3: for skin, they can be for hormones, they can be 409 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 3: for weight loss. There are many different types of peptides, 410 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 3: but it's such a broad term that I think what 411 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 3: we're seeing online is these like magical peptides, like magical 412 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 3: peptides of skin. And then I was watching this lady 413 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 3: do her injections, and she was doing a daily injection 414 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 3: and she was essentially saying she's taking a mini microdose 415 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 3: of peptides for weight loss. And I'm watching this lady 416 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 3: online Zuzi, and she's got a six pack ride like 417 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 3: she's so fit, And I was like, what are you doing? 418 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 3: And she's like telling her listeners and she's like, drop 419 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 3: peptide and I'll send you a DM with the details 420 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 3: and where to buy it. I'm like, so ay, you're 421 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 3: getting kickbacks from it. You have zero qualifications, but you 422 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 3: just look really great and people want to look like you. 423 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 3: See there's nothing that is like, you've got no legal basis, 424 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 3: Like if somebody had a really adverse reaction to this, 425 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 3: if some you know what I mean, Like if someone 426 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 3: got really sick, are you sing like the influencer that 427 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 3: you bought it off because she DMD you something about 428 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 3: peptides that you found on Amazon. I just think we 429 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 3: have not got enough available research to know. I think 430 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 3: that people assume that it's safe or safer than potentially 431 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 3: some injectable weight loss medications. And I think that there's 432 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 3: this weird perception that it's safer because of I mean, 433 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 3: I don't even know why, but I kind of think that, 434 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 3: you know, a lot of people think that supplements are safe, 435 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 3: for example, because they're quote unquote natural, Whereas I've seen 436 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 3: clients when I used to work at the hospital in 437 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 3: the ICU from superloading supplements, like they've been that sick, 438 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 3: they've nearly died because they've had liver problems or kidney 439 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 3: problems because they're taking these huge amounts of supplements. So 440 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 3: just because there's a perception that it's safer doesn't necessarily 441 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 3: mean that it is safe. So I think for me, 442 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 3: the bottom line is that peptides is such a broad 443 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 3: chemistry term, but it's just a category. It's a molecule, 444 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 3: it's an amino acid. It doesn't really mean anything to 445 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 3: me for somebody to take something. First, do no harm, right, 446 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 3: do no harm. Make sure it's specific the thing that 447 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 3: you're actually trying to improve. Make sure it's regulated, like 448 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 3: there's actually you know, a safety protocol around it, it's 449 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 3: been approved you know, doctors and dietitians and proper professionals 450 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 3: are actually recommending it. Dermatologists. If you're looking at the 451 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 3: skin ones, go and actually see somebody and chat. 452 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:18,479 Speaker 2: Through with them. 453 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 3: Chat through your medical background, how much you should take, 454 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 3: when you should take it, what type you should take. 455 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 3: Like if I was going to do something to my skin, 456 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 3: I'd book it and see a dermatologists. I wouldn't dm 457 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 3: a rando on Instagram and be like peptides because I 458 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 3: want to look like you, because we all know that 459 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 3: a lot of these people are just genetically blessed. They 460 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 3: look fabulous, but it's based in good genes. It's really 461 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 3: not because of the peptide that they were injecting. So 462 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 3: they're probably my biggest hesitations with it. But we do 463 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 3: know there are some great peptides out there, like GLP 464 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 3: ones are technically peptides as well, so we certainly know 465 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 3: there are some with great evidence space with them. But 466 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 3: the ones that are like, you know, the daily microadosing 467 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 3: helps my cravings and my hormones, Like I just think 468 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 3: of it sounds too good to be true. It probably is, 469 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 3: So go and chat it through with a proper evidence 470 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 3: based professional and get some personalized advice is probably my 471 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 3: biggest take home for our listeners. Don't just randomly DM 472 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 3: and influencer and ask what they're doing, because it probably 473 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 3: isn't going to work out very well. 474 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: Well, don't go and spend a thousand dollars on supplements 475 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: so you have no idea if they're even working. That 476 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: would be my other advice, because. 477 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think there's no real measure. 478 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 1: I think if you can do anything, eat more carrots 479 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: and get a super loaded vitamin D supplement the ten bucks. 480 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: That's probably much more evidence based than superloading certain peptides 481 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: that you don't know if or when or what they're 482 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: working on, because it's just a never ending cycle, isn't it. 483 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 1: Oh you need this one, Oh you need that one, 484 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: because we actually don't know. So yeah, just be careful. 485 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: If it seems too good to be true, it usually is. 486 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: And those people who are genetic good best just have 487 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: long telling me is don't know me an, the best 488 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: way to increase your telling me your length is to 489 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: get your diet right. All right, there's a new protein 490 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: cereal or who would have thought they d? Have you 491 00:22:59,440 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: seen it? 492 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 2: I have? 493 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 3: And I was like, I don't even pick it up 494 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 3: to look at it. I was like, oh hard, no, 495 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 3: but you run us through it. 496 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 2: Then we're trying to get It's just it's only. 497 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 3: January and I'm exhausted by the high protein chocolate fuel things. 498 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're trying to get cauls. Okay, this cls high 499 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: protein cereal puffs cocoa five dollars actually quite cost effective 500 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: for a cereal since some of them are sort of 501 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: around eight ten dollars, which makes sense if you buying 502 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: sort of a whole grain granola or oats, or you know, 503 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 1: something that's supercharged with good nutrition, you know that you're 504 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 1: basically paying for good nutrition in that instance. 505 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 2: That's a good rule of sum, isn't it Like. 506 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: You will pay more for quality breakfast cereals in particular 507 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: because the costs of grains and states it is quite high. 508 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 3: So this has launched. 509 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 2: There's two skews. There's a cocoa one. 510 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: And there is a I think vanilla or plaine one, 511 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: and it's a source of fiber. And actually I was 512 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: surprised when I saw it. It was better than I thought. 513 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: So that's deep dive. Now the and doesn't one to 514 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: talk about it, but the trick is I probably can't 515 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: read hang out, yeah, ne Drake, it's fuzzy when I 516 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: screen it up right. 517 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 3: So the nutritionals, Yeah, So the high protein chocolate cocoa 518 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 3: puffs from coals, they've got thirteen grams of fiber and 519 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 3: source of fiber as our marketing claims on the front 520 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 3: of pack four point five star rating, which you know 521 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 3: we have a big issue with, but we won't go there. 522 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 3: Ingredient wise, first ingredient is wheat protein. Hence that's how 523 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 3: they're getting the high protein in. That's wheat protein, followed 524 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 3: by rice flour, sugar, maize, whole meal, wheat flour, cocoa powder. 525 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 3: Dietary fiber being inuland so they've added a little bit 526 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 3: of iniland, which is a probotic type of fibers. That's 527 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 3: good from a gut house perspective, helps to feed the 528 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 3: good bugs. And I'll go through the nutrition panel in 529 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 3: a moment, but they haven't done a huge amountain, which 530 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 3: I do like, I hate seeing like a you know, 531 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 3: inulin being eight ten grams or something. I just think 532 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 3: it's far too much for most sensitive tummies. And then 533 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 3: the last three ingredients are salt, natural flavor and steavier. 534 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 3: So I've got a mix of sugar and steavier in there, 535 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 3: so I would assume that it's slightly lower in sugar 536 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 3: than I lot of the brands out there. We go 537 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 3: through the nutrition panel, there's six servings per pack. It's 538 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 3: not a lot, isn't in a box of cereal about 539 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 3: forty five grams of serving size, so that's pretty standard 540 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 3: for cereal. Generally, the serving sizes are around that forty 541 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 3: fifty gram mark, so per serving just over seven hundred 542 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 3: kilo dules, which is about one hundred and seventy five calories, 543 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 3: good whack of protein, fourteen and a half grams of protein, 544 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 3: so that's significantly higher per serving than the majority of 545 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 3: cereals on the market. One point two grams of fat, 546 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 3: with only point four of that being saturated. It so 547 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 3: very very low in fat, which you know you would 548 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 3: expect from a cereal without any nuts or seeds in it. 549 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 3: Twenty five grams of carbohydrate is serve, which is actually 550 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 3: fairly controlled for a cereal. It's about a slice and 551 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 3: a bit of a good quality bread, so I actually 552 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 3: think that's perfectly okay, probably even a bit low for 553 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 3: some you know, active clients for breakfast seven point eight 554 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 3: grams of sugar, which I guess a normal person may 555 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 3: sound high, but when we're talking about breakfast cereals, that's 556 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 3: actually probably one of the lower ones, with two point 557 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 3: nearly two point four grams of dietary fiber, which I like, 558 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 3: I would like to see that a bit high from 559 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 3: whole grain sources, but at least there's a couple of 560 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 3: grams of fiber and seventy four milligrams of sodium, which 561 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 3: is pretty insignificant, like not really not really an issue 562 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 3: at all. So overall, I kind of feel like this 563 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 3: is one of these like modified products that colds have 564 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 3: developed to meet the demand of consumers. That's what I 565 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 3: feel like. People are like, I want high protein, I 566 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 3: want lower sugar, I want a bit of fiber in there. 567 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 3: It's carb controlled. Like at a glance to me, this 568 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 3: looks pretty good, right Like if you just showed me 569 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 3: the nutrition panel, I'd be like, yeah, that's a good option. 570 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 3: But I also take into account the ingredient list when 571 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 3: I look at a cereal, and I cannot truly say 572 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 3: there is anything really there that is that positive nutrition wise. 573 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 3: If I'm being completely honest, Susie. There's no whole grains. 574 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 3: There's a little bit of dietary fiber from mulum, which 575 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 3: I don't mind. There's no healthy fats, there's no beautiful 576 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 3: you know, cheer seeds or some sunflowerses in there. There's 577 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 3: really not much there. If I'm being honest, like, I 578 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 3: wouldn't recommend this, and I wouldn't really write it into 579 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 3: a client's meal plant unless they were like, this is 580 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 3: so delicious, I have to have this. I might use 581 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 3: half a serve with a bit of musley or something 582 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 3: to give them a bit of base, with some good, 583 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 3: healthy vats and some poor grain type fiber. But it's 584 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 3: an interesting product. I personally wouldn't use an eye personally 585 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 3: wouldn't recommend it. That's my take on it. Sorry it's 586 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 3: a bit harsh, but that's my that's my take. 587 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 588 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: No, the big missing thing is the whole grains. You know, 589 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: if you're including a breakfast cereal in your diet regularly, 590 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 1: we absolutely wanted to be whole grains. They offer natural 591 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: dietary fiber, they offer vitamin E. You know, this is 592 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: where our nutrition is and that's what we're nurturing with 593 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: the cereal. 594 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 2: For the gut. 595 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: The only thing I would use it for the price 596 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: is quite good five bucks. Like cereal's expensive, like cocoa 597 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: pops nutregray which are papped with farm or sugar are 598 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: like seven eight ten dollars, so this is half the 599 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: price of that. 600 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 2: I possibly would use it with the kids. 601 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 1: If it meant they were getting a bit more protein 602 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: in a cereal and it was cheaper. Possibly it wouldn't 603 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 1: be my go to. I haven't tried it. I don't mind. 604 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 1: I don't like serially general across the board, It's not 605 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: never my go to. If I'm going to have it, 606 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: I'll use a whole grain oat or that process cereals 607 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: I'm talking about, you know, nutri grain and rice bubbles, 608 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: all that stuff. 609 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 2: It's not good for us. 610 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: But like the kids do like the sweet cereals, so 611 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: we like the cheerios like sugar. 612 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 2: They got a high whole grain base. I actually don't 613 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 2: think either. 614 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 3: They're gone the deleted devastated. 615 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 2: Yeah they do. 616 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: This is the problem, but people don't buy that the 617 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: healthier stuff. It gets deleted. Happens all the time. So 618 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: I don't mind Milo because people are horrifi when you 619 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: say that. 620 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 2: But milo has got. 621 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: A number of micronutrients added, and it does have whole 622 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: grain base if it doesn't have as much sugar as 623 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: you think it does. So I actually don't mind that. 624 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: If it's on sale, I might buy that. So you know, 625 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: if my boys saw it and wanted it, I might 626 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: buy it. I probably wouldn't unless they asked for it, 627 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: but yeah, it's one of those interesting ones. 628 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 2: At the moment, I think I. 629 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: Would prefer people to still go to a better grown 630 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: olar if I were adding it as a topper, because 631 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: of course, sometimes with cereals you can use it as 632 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: a topper. You could possibly put if the kids liked it, 633 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: you could put it in the lunchbox as a little 634 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: higher protein snack as opposed to shapes or tiny teddy maybe, 635 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: but it's kind. 636 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 2: Of we'll see how it goes. 637 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,239 Speaker 1: But I thought it was an interesting one because I've 638 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: seen it a lot on install which mans people are 639 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: talking about it, so I agree. 640 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 3: I agree. Yeah, we're not a big cereal household, like 641 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 3: I just I personally don't find it that feeling. So 642 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 3: if I do it, I do you know, I might 643 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 3: do some porridge or some overn idots. So we just 644 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 3: do eggs or avocado on toast, so we're not a 645 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 3: huge cereal household. However, my kids do eat cereal as 646 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 3: a bit of a snack. Sometimes, if we go on 647 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 3: a walk or we go to the gym earlier, they'll 648 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 3: sit in a little crazy thing and snack on some cereal. 649 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 3: So I agree, I think it's good for kids. But 650 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 3: having said that, I would probably rather buy my girls 651 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 3: the Milo cereal than something like this. They're only little, 652 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 3: they don't need the protein. If I was putting it 653 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 3: with milk, A cup of milk gives eight grams of protein. 654 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 3: That's already enough protein for a small child. If they're 655 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 3: a growing teenager, you know, over fifteen, potentially they do 656 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 3: need a bit more protein. I can see a place. 657 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 3: But for adults, I just I don't see you a 658 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 3: place for this in the diet of adults who you 659 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 3: know regularly want to eat cereal for breakfast, I don't. 660 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 3: But for small children, I can see it as a 661 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 3: snack option or an occasional breakfast option. I do, But 662 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 3: I think for adults, I think it's a product that's 663 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 3: been developed due to consumer demands or just trying to 664 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 3: manipulate the market. A little bit and I don't. 665 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: I'm not here for it. Yeah, and that's happening across 666 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: the board, so yeah, no, I would agree. I wouldn't 667 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: put it in the diet of adults, and if anyone 668 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: teenagers may be kid. But yeah, anyway, let us know 669 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: your thoughts, all right, Leanne, what are we thinking about 670 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: coke zero? Where's our support now? 671 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 2: Leanne? 672 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: And I will declare that we are obsessed with the 673 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: sweps lightly sparkling range of mineral waters. I tend to 674 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: go through phases with things. And I did play the 675 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: Blueberry Raspberry and got a big thumbs down from the family. 676 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 2: No one was liking that. But I love the passion 677 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 2: for it. I cannot get enough. And the good thing 678 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 2: is that no one else in the family likes it, 679 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 2: so they don't actually drink it. 680 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: All, which is good. But the Coke zero, the diet 681 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: coke come up time and time again. I saw well 682 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: known author Sally Hepworth, whose recent book Mad is a 683 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: brilliant read if you enjoy a good book, posting that 684 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: there is no way that coke zero and dit coke 685 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: are the same. She was horrified that anyone would shift 686 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: it's not the same thing. Leanna and I would tend 687 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: to agree. But the question is is it bad for us? Well, 688 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: it's probably not good. I don't have a problem occasionally. 689 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: I think the concern is when people are having it 690 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: and almost addicted to it and every day having multiple serves, 691 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: you know, getting up in the morning and having it, 692 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: having it big morning. I think if you're better to 693 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: wean off and go for something like Kombucher, go for 694 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: one of the lightly sparkly waters, much better for your 695 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: health to be away from the preservatives and the sweetener 696 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: in that kind of soft drink which is artificial. 697 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 2: But occasionally, if. 698 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: You have a Coke zero, I prefer it with a 699 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: meal rather than on its own, because I find it 700 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: can affect like glud press levels and cravings. Is coke 701 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: Dira better than diet coke? Maybe a smidge. Diet Cokes 702 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: got a Spartan which has had some concerns, that's why 703 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: they're swapping them over to Coke zero. But if you're 704 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: having it occasionally once or twice a week, I don't 705 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: have a problem with a meal. You to go for 706 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: the smaller cans. Now you know that two hundred meal 707 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: versus because over time you'll then wean down and I've 708 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: been having a lot less of it now because I've 709 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: swapped to that Swetz, which I really like, and I've 710 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: noticed nowly am when I have a diet poke, I 711 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: don't like it as much. My receptors have definitely changed, 712 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: which does prove you can program and also shows you 713 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: can program because when you travel internationally, you'll notice the 714 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: blends of dit coke are different. They taste different. The 715 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: European diart cokes different to the Australian one, which I 716 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,479 Speaker 1: do think is the same as the US. So you 717 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: can absolutely program yourself off it, So don't be scared 718 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: to do that over time. But the answer to the 719 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: question is that okay, occasionally, Yes, occasionally I would define 720 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: is a couple of times a week. 721 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 3: I agree, I agree, Yeah, I don't think there's any 722 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 3: room in the diet for extremes all or nothing. If 723 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 3: you want to be an extremeist, surround it. If you 724 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 3: don't like it, don't drink it. But I think that 725 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 3: if you do like it. Suzy and I occasionally will 726 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 3: have a diet coke. Particularly I find that if my 727 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 3: clients are out at a pub and they just don't 728 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 3: want to drink alcohol often besides water or a soda water, 729 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 3: and some of my clients are like, I just don't 730 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 3: like soda water. Really, the only option there that isn't 731 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 3: packed of sugar it might be a diet cocer a 732 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 3: pepsi max. So I certainly don't have an issue. If 733 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 3: my clients are having it, you know, occasionally, and like you, 734 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 3: a couple of times a week, I think probably isn't 735 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 3: going to do too much damage. I think it's probably 736 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 3: perfectly fine from a health perspective, in line with a 737 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 3: good quality diet. You know, if you're adding a coke 738 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 3: zero or a pepsi max in a couple of times 739 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 3: a week on top of a crap quality diet, you 740 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 3: may have some issues. But I think for the average 741 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 3: person who's generally trying to work on their health, if 742 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 3: you enjoy a diet cocro a pepsi max a couple 743 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 3: of times a week, I don't really see a problem 744 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 3: with that. I think it's okay. But like you said, 745 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 3: is when it becomes quite addictive and you find you're 746 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 3: needing it more and more, and you know, I've seen 747 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 3: people who need it a couple of times a day, 748 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 3: but they're really using that from a caffeine perspective as well. 749 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 3: That's where you can run into problems because it can 750 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 3: just become that bison you need more and more of 751 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 3: a time. But yeah, I'm like you, I don't really 752 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 3: see it as an issue. A couple of times a 753 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 3: week if you need. 754 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: It perfect, all right, Well, that brings us into the 755 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: nitiationion catch for another week. Please keep telling your friends 756 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: about us so we can continue to reach more people. 757 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: And if you need some evidence based additional supplements, don't 758 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: forget our brand designed by Dietitians, which you can find 759 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,959 Speaker 1: at designed by dietitians dot com. 760 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 2: We'll see you next Wednesday. 761 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 3: Great weeks, Thanks for listening.