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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers. Now.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, provocative title. Some people will be offended

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Speaker 2: that I've picked it up and read it and talked

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Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mum

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Speaker 2: Okay, I think today, Kylie, we're going to have a

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Speaker 2: fairly controversial and provocative book club. It's just a feeling

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Speaker 2: that I've got based on the book that you have

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Speaker 2: in your hand of the book that I have in mind.

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Speaker 2: For those of you who are knew to the podcast, welcome,

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Speaker 2: So great to have you listening. We so very much

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Speaker 2: appreciate you being here. My name's doctor Justin couson On,

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Speaker 2: the founder of Happy Families dot com dot IU and

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Speaker 2: the host of Channel miand's Parental Guidance Season two coming

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Speaker 2: soon in twenty twenty three. I mean with Kylie mum

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Speaker 2: to our six daughters. We've been married since the late

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Speaker 2: nineteen nineties and we've got six kids. Our youngest is

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Speaker 2: aged eight, our oldest has moved out and married. Second

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Speaker 2: those days away. That's of same. Shortly after Christmas, Kylie.

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Speaker 2: Every month, on usually the fourth Thursday of the months,

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Speaker 2: we do a podcast episode that has nothing to do

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Speaker 2: with parenting at all. It's book club, just the books

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Speaker 2: that we've been reading. So you and I both avid readers,

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Speaker 2: both read sort of thirty forty even fifty books a year.

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Speaker 2: How many are you up to now? Thirty four thirty four?

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Speaker 2: That is good going. A lot of fiction in there, though,

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Speaker 2: right you've read a lot.

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Speaker 3: There's probably more than half. You make it sound like

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Speaker 3: it's been an easy read for me to read thirty

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Speaker 3: four books on those I've got fiction.

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Speaker 2: It's great going.

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Speaker 3: But I have never read this many books.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really awesome. It's so good, and I love

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Speaker 2: reading these books because they expect even fiction. It expands

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Speaker 2: to new worlds, new ways of thinking. It's fabulous. I'm

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Speaker 2: just checking my book reviews list right now and I've

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Speaker 2: but I've written too. I've written too, so they well,

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Speaker 2: I just haven't had as much time to read this

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Speaker 2: Which one are you going to start with?

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Speaker 3: I'll look, I'll get that Sugar book out of the way.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So this is based on a well, I don't

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Speaker 2: know if it's based on a film. But the guy's

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Speaker 2: And he had a movie that came out a little

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Speaker 3: So they've just taken the findings from that documentary and

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Speaker 2: Like I see what you've done there because of that

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not that. I'm not that quick.

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Speaker 2: You are brilliant and you don't even know it. That's

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Speaker 2: what's going on, So tell us about it.

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Speaker 3: So for those of you who know nothing about it,

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Speaker 3: the Sugar film was basically this guy who decided that

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Speaker 3: which is forty teaspoons of sugar.

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Speaker 2: That is a lot of sugar. If I saw one

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Speaker 3: So he talks about the fact that we think that

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you've read that sugar book by Damon Gimo.

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