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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was, and joining

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Speaker 1: us in the studio today, we've got the Member for

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Speaker 1: Catherine for the CLP, Jo.

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Speaker 2: Hersey, Good morning, Katie, and good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: And then we've got for the Labor Party the Attorney

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Speaker 1: General of the Northern Territory, Chancey Pai.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 4: Good morning.

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Speaker 3: And we've also.

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Speaker 1: Got from nine News Darwin, Georgie Dickinson, Good morning to.

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Speaker 3: You, Georgie.

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Speaker 5: Happy Friday.

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Speaker 1: I love Friday. I love it when you guys areen.

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Speaker 1: You get to help me do the speaking for.

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Speaker 3: Three hours, well an hour at least.

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Speaker 1: And I tell you what, it's been a busy week,

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Speaker 1: but I do just very quickly want to say a

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Speaker 1: happy world Teacher's Day. We are going to be speaking

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Speaker 1: more about this after ten o'clock this morning. So many

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Speaker 1: incredible teachers in the Northern Territory, and.

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Speaker 2: Hats off is the theme, Katie.

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Speaker 6: Hats off is to all of the teachers that do

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Speaker 6: an amazing job of educating our teaching session.

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Speaker 1: Hats off to anyone that can educate and manage thirty

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Speaker 1: kids in a classroom in an old time Well, I.

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Speaker 4: Think you know. I mean, as I Joe and I

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Speaker 4: were talking about this earlier. Not all heroes where capes,

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Speaker 4: and certainly our teachers are our heroes in the education space,

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Speaker 4: and particularly in some of those remote locations where you

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Speaker 4: of ages. So absolutely acknowledge and really want to thank

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Speaker 4: them for the work that they do create great job

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Speaker 6: I just want to put a shout out to all

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Speaker 6: of the teachers in Catherine that nominated for awards.

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Speaker 2: Good luck.

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Speaker 6: There's some amazing people that have been nominated for the awards,

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Speaker 6: so I wish them all the best this afternoon with

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Speaker 1: Now, it's been an interesting week, there is no doubt

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Speaker 1: about that. But Chancey, the rumor is a rife that

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Speaker 1: there's going to be a cabinet reshuffle.

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Speaker 2: And that wasn't the Labor government reshuffle that little quaked.

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Speaker 4: I didn't even feel that earth And look, Katie, I

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Speaker 4: know you love a good gossip, but that's all it

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Speaker 4: is at this stage. Of course, that's the Chief Minister's

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Speaker 4: prerogative if she chooses to do a cabinet reshuffle, but

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Speaker 1: So we're not going to get off there this morning

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Speaker 1: and there's going to be a press conference and a

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Speaker 4: Well, Katie, not that I'm aware of.

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Speaker 1: If dear me one though, I mean, do you need

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Speaker 4: Well, look, I think that when you look at the

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Speaker 4: Territory Labor Caucus, those in Cabinet and our local MLAs,

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Speaker 4: they're all incredibly qualified and outstanding people, really passionate about

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Speaker 4: the Northern Territory. So I think again that's the progative

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Speaker 4: of the Chief Minister. And you know, I know that

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Speaker 4: people in the Territory love a good gossip and that's

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Speaker 4: all it is at this stage.

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Speaker 1: Well, we did speak to Luke Gosling, the Member for Solomon,

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Speaker 1: earlier in the week and he said there is change

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Speaker 1: up with it. It's not the end of the year

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Speaker 1: as I understand it. There is change coming and there

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Speaker 3: There's some new.

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Speaker 1: Leadership within the Northern Territory team that are really listening

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Speaker 3: And saying that they expect change.

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Speaker 4: Well, look, I don't know if i'd rely on Gozo's

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Speaker 4: crystal ball, but what I will say is the Chief

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Speaker 3: So you reckon it might be a change up of

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Speaker 3: the leader, No, absolutely not. You just throw a bit

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Speaker 2: Spatter of.

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Speaker 3: A ten am so stay tuned on your face too.

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Speaker 3: I'm not convinced now.

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Speaker 4: Look, as I said, it's all gossip. If the Chief

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Speaker 4: as I've said, and I said again yesterday, we're just

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon where there's smoke, there's fire, kde.

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Speaker 4: Well, the CLP is certainly burning, then.

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Speaker 3: What do you reckon? Door does say?

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Speaker 5: I guess if people are calling for reshuffle, what does

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to know. It is very hard to know.

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Speaker 1: But look, I do think that you've got some you

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Speaker 1: guess you know, some might say, well, actually Luke Gosling

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Speaker 1: I guess that's you know, that's up to the constituents

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Speaker 1: happening to some degree. I know that there's a lot

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Speaker 3: As I said, we'll get to that shortly.

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Speaker 1: But is there a need for a bit of leadership

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Speaker 4: Look again, I think when we're talking about this, I

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Speaker 4: do an outstanding job in any portfolio. We are a

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Speaker 4: very tight group. We work closely together. Everyone has experienced

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Speaker 4: to take on any portfolio and I've got full confidence

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Speaker 1: Well, look, let's move into to the police annual report,

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Speaker 1: deeply concerning. Only fourteen officers have been added to the

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Speaker 1: assaults increased twenty one point three percent. Domestic violence related

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Speaker 1: eighteen point four six percent. Now, you'd have to say

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Speaker 4: I think certainly Katie, let's acknowledge that the document that

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Speaker 4: a government. You know, the overall police attition rate is

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Speaker 5: In terms of that review, how long until we can

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Speaker 5: you don't want to send a young recruit out to

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Speaker 6: And Katie also, you know we've seen crime through the

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Speaker 6: and even as you've said, Nathan finn says just the

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Speaker 6: other day he said it's fascal that the anti government

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Speaker 2: You know we're talking about attrition.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know there's one hundred and twenty six officers

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Speaker 1: The numbers are actually astronomical, but look they're not a

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Speaker 5: I think that also has to do with the number

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Speaker 5: within ten seconds is plummeted to seventy six percent, which

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Speaker 5: guess if you're staying on hold, that does place pressure.

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Speaker 5: We obviously know the police are doing everything they can.

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Speaker 5: There is so much domestic violence and other situations that

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Speaker 3: Make me feel good.

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Speaker 6: And Katie, that is what I hear out in the

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Speaker 6: community when I'm talking to people in Catherine. You know,

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Speaker 6: we've had the review, you know, maybe the week. We've

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Speaker 6: got to wait till February for that review. We put

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Speaker 2: Being consumed on the streets.

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Speaker 6: But over the last seven years, you know, if I

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm going to call it again, you guys saying

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Speaker 2: When can we see that review?

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Speaker 2: Look, we are Katie.

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Speaker 6: What we do know is that you know, there's been

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Speaker 3: Now, the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 1: Police Association say that they support the return of the

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Speaker 7: I know the government's got the Transit Elficer, they've got

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Speaker 7: They have to receive training, but count rageous to do it.

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Speaker 4: This is five measure. You can do it immediately.

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Speaker 1: That was convat Scalis on the show earlier this week.

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Speaker 1: read through that review, it's not all that the police

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Speaker 4: Yeah, o, Katie, when you're talking about the two kilometer rule, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Now, you absolutely you didn't say that last time you

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Speaker 4: of a licensed premises is still not permitted under the law.

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Speaker 1: But it's not so you've just said it yourself. It's

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Speaker 1: been decriminalized. And that was the first that i'd heard

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Speaker 1: of it this week in Parliament when I was listening

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Speaker 1: and I heard the Chief biness to say that it

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Speaker 1: had been decriminalized because of the Royal Commission into Indigenous

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Speaker 1: Deaths in custody. Now, I think if the government had

448
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Speaker 1: have been upfront and said that right from the get go,

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Speaker 1: people may have felt a little bit differently.

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Speaker 3: Right now, But you guys weren't.

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Speaker 1: It was where and tear at Howard Springs all over

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Speaker 1: again when we were being told one thing and it

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Speaker 1: actually meant something else.

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Speaker 4: So under Section forty seven of the Summary Offenses is

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Speaker 4: disorderly conduct which can enable a whole range of measures

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Speaker 4: to be enacted to respond to those situations.

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Speaker 6: And I think the Member for Barkley pointed that out

458
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Speaker 6: in Parliament very well this week to the Member for

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Speaker 6: Fanny Bay that the police all they can do is

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Speaker 6: ask to tip out the alcohol.

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Speaker 2: They can't ask their name.

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Speaker 6: You know, they can't find out if they've potentially got

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Speaker 6: any domestic violence or going on, and you know that

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Speaker 6: it's disingenuous for the government to come out and say

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Speaker 6: that it is an offense.

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Speaker 1: That's I think what I found most disappointing is that

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Speaker 1: you know, that's exactly right. It was disingenuous, and you know,

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Speaker 1: people were taking the comments from the government on face

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Speaker 1: value again that it was illegal to be drinking in public.

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Speaker 1: Everybody can see you're drinking in public and it's able

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Speaker 1: to happen.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but again, Section forty seven of the Summary Offenses

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Speaker 4: is disorderly conduct. If you're found to reach one of those,

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Speaker 4: that can end up being fine.

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Speaker 1: But drinking in publics no worries. So you can sit

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Speaker 1: and drink in public, so long as you're not doing

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Speaker 1: something disorderly.

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Speaker 4: Again, if you are drinking something public within a two

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Speaker 4: colmeorators of your alcohol can be poured out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so again you've just started again, so your alcohol

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Speaker 1: can be bought out if you are drinking within the

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Speaker 1: two kilometers of a license premises, that's very different to

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Speaker 1: disorderly conducts. So what so you're puching those two things together.

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Speaker 4: I think everyone needs to just pause from it and

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Speaker 4: have a look at what disorderly conduct is the whole

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Speaker 4: range of power to the police to be able.

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Speaker 1: So if you're sitting and drinking in public at that

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Speaker 1: point in time, the police do not have the ability

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Speaker 1: to disperse a situation before it gets disorientates.

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Speaker 4: Again, the police have the power to pour out the alcohol.

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Speaker 1: But not to check a license or not to check

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Speaker 1: whether there's a warrant for somebody's a rest or not

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Speaker 1: to check if there's a DV issue or anything like

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Speaker 1: that before it gets disorderly.

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Speaker 4: Again, that's correct, that is not.

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Speaker 6: Remember the Barkley stated that extreme b says something doesn't

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Speaker 6: mean it's real.

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Speaker 1: But you've just said it yourself because you said within

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Speaker 1: the two kilometers that that you you know that they're

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Speaker 1: able to tip out the alcohol. But if they're doing

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Speaker 1: something disorderly, that's when they can then be checked.

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Speaker 3: Their license can be checked, or they can be a rested.

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Speaker 4: And they move.

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Speaker 5: If you're sitting at nightcliff two kilometers within the two

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Speaker 5: kilometor of the beach front and having a wine there

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Speaker 5: at Nightcliff, then can you tip out your alcohol?

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Speaker 1: Well, some locations I think it's okaut like it is

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Speaker 1: there within the you know, like they're ruled out or

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Speaker 1: there you're able to go and have a wine, like

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Speaker 1: people are able to go and have a beer, have

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Speaker 1: a wine, have a drink whatever. But then I'm assuming

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Speaker 1: chancy and correct me if I'm wrong that then if

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Speaker 1: it's you know, things get disordered if it's not one

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Speaker 1: of those idea is like the Esplanade for example, you're

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Speaker 1: not actually able to go and drink there, and like

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Speaker 1: you said, within those two kilometers you're not supposed to.

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Speaker 1: But I think this is the point of contention for

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Speaker 1: a lot of people, is that what we're then seeing

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Speaker 1: is that people are drinking. And look, if people are

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Speaker 1: having a drink and behaving themselves, I don't care where

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Speaker 1: you're from, if everybody's behaving, But then what we are

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Speaker 1: seeing is behavior escalate to that disorderly level and the

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Speaker 1: police aren't in a situation where they can potentially stop

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Speaker 1: that before it starts.

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Speaker 3: So do that license check.

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Speaker 1: And that's what the police had asked for, is my

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Speaker 1: understanding throughout the review which was tabled the week before last.

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Speaker 1: So is that something that the government will now consider.

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Speaker 4: Look the review, is there the chief Minister tabled it

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Speaker 4: last week. Certainly working through it again. They have their

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Speaker 4: power to pour out the alcohol and they have the

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Speaker 4: ability to do a move on direction. Now the Chief

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Speaker 4: has tabled that. We're working obviously through through that review

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Speaker 4: and certainly the Chief is absolutely committed to the areas

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Speaker 4: of alcohol reform and she continues to do that work

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Speaker 4: and she'll continue to do that peace well into the future.

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Speaker 5: I think it is just be clearer as to you know,

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Speaker 5: if people are seeing in a public place having a wine,

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Speaker 5: they need to make it clear that they're not going

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Speaker 5: to be approached by the police. I mean, if they're

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Speaker 5: being disorderly, of course that's fair enough, disperse and move

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Speaker 5: them on. But if people are just sitting there, I

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Speaker 5: think it needs to be point blank as to what

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Speaker 5: police are allowed to and not allowed to do.

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Speaker 1: Also, can the police, you know, in terms of them

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Speaker 1: being able to license check somebody like if they are

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Speaker 1: drinking publicly, can that is that also an option for

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Speaker 1: them to be able to check whether somebody's on the BDR.

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Speaker 4: Well, look again, that review has been done, it's working through.

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Speaker 4: I absolutely acknowledge that you should absolutely be able to

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Speaker 4: have a drink and enjoy it absolutely and where there

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Speaker 4: are places where they are doing it within the two

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Speaker 4: kilometer radius and the police have their ability to pour

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Speaker 4: out the alcohol, they have the ability to do a

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Speaker 4: move on.

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Speaker 6: Direction, but they don't have the ability to ask their name.

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Speaker 6: I can't any other information about them to potentially, you know,

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Speaker 6: if something escalates or the people might have DeVos or

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Speaker 6: whatever against each other and they're drinking, which will escalate

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Speaker 6: causing more harm.

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Speaker 2: So that's where prevention of that needs to happen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and look like I totally agree.

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Speaker 1: I think that those discussions absolutely need to be had

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Speaker 1: and need to be really clear. I do want to

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Speaker 1: just touch on though, one of the things that conbat

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Speaker 1: Scarlets had spoken about and it was part of the

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Speaker 1: review as well, whether we go to restrictions similar to

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Speaker 1: what we're seen during COVID where people have to show

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Speaker 1: their license and have to be able to demonstrate where

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Speaker 1: they're going to be drinking if they go into a

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Speaker 1: bottle shop to.

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Speaker 3: Get takeaway alcohol.

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Speaker 1: I know that it could prove difficult in a number

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Speaker 1: of different ways, but is that something that we go

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Speaker 1: back to looking at The Chief Minister didn't rule it

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Speaker 1: out the other day.

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Speaker 2: But Katie also with that. Sorry, chance, you're right with that.

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Speaker 6: We do that in Catherine, now, yeah, pretty much in

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Speaker 6: our springs they do that Intenant Creek.

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Speaker 3: They do in Darlotte.

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Speaker 4: Oh look, if Joe and I want to go and

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Speaker 4: have a charge together and we entered the bottle, we'd

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Speaker 4: have to in a tenant. Oh, Katherine, we.

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Speaker 6: Have to show your license and you have to say

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Speaker 6: where you're drinking about alcohol.

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Speaker 2: You cannot say I'm going to drinking in the.

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Speaker 3: Case everywhere else? Should that be the case in Darlatte.

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Speaker 4: Well, look, I think that they are conversations that can occur.

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Speaker 4: I mean acknowledging that the territory and territorians are not homogeneous.

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Speaker 4: In different places of the territory do need at times

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Speaker 4: different restrictions or different requirements or different programs. But you know,

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Speaker 4: I think that we've lived in Alice with that for

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Speaker 4: some time, and as people in remember a time.

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Speaker 6: When I haven't lived like that where you show your license,

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Speaker 6: it's obviously a very long time ago.

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Speaker 2: One of the other things concerned though.

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Speaker 6: Katie is talking about you know, con was talking about

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Speaker 6: it as well, about security officers or his counsel people

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Speaker 6: asking people to tip out alcohol that's that is not

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Speaker 6: acceptable and those people do not have the power to

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Speaker 6: ask the people to move on or anything, and that

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Speaker 6: could escalate in you know, some kind of verbal disagreement

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Speaker 6: or assault or something like that that those people are not,

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Speaker 6: you know.

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Speaker 1: Not qualified in some way the police.

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Speaker 4: The by laws local government had on here, the by

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Speaker 4: laws actually allow that particular council to detain. So all

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Speaker 4: con would need to do is ask for the appropriate training.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right, So you're saying that he should do that or

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Speaker 1: that they that those councils should be able to do that.

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Speaker 4: They could if they had the appropriate training. Councils have

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Speaker 4: the ability for by laws to be in place for

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Speaker 4: their area across the territory and how they enact those.

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Speaker 4: So that's certainly something that if they wanted to certainly

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Speaker 4: progress and work through that they absolutely could.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like it doesn't sound like either the

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Speaker 1: Darwin City Council or the Palmerston Council. I spoke to

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Speaker 1: Athena pasco Bell throughout the week as well. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: sound like either of them are key and that's okay.

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Speaker 2: They don't have to.

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Speaker 4: But under the Local Government Act and the by laws,

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Speaker 4: there is the ability. Should a council wish to do that,

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Speaker 4: that's what they could do.

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Speaker 1: Just while we're on this topic, I do know that

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Speaker 1: i'd spoken to the Minister for Police and Territory Families,

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Speaker 1: Kate Warden a few weeks ago about filming which is

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Speaker 1: taking place or had taken place as I understand it,

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Speaker 1: for four Corners now.

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Speaker 3: There had been some discussion.

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Speaker 1: I'd sort of heard in the background that there was

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Speaker 1: going to be an episode go to air.

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Speaker 3: I haven't seen it yet.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it has potentially about security guards

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Speaker 1: and the Northern Territory government's use of security guards in

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Speaker 1: terms of some of the issues that we've got around

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 3: Have you heard much about it?

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Speaker 5: Only will Err on Monday, But it was the questions

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Speaker 5: that we heard. The journalist asked the Chief Minister was

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Speaker 5: around you know, aggressive behavior from these security guards and

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Speaker 5: alleged CCTV that showed you know, some being man handled

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Speaker 5: by the security guard. So I haven't personally seen the vision,

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Speaker 5: but I think it might probably have something to do

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Speaker 5: with the landmark situation that happened months and months ago,

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Speaker 5: which is kind of separate to the security guards.

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Speaker 1: Etzally understand it, but now we do know as well.

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Speaker 1: According to the Northern Territory News today that the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory Government's complained to the ABC chief over allegations at

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Speaker 1: Four Corners crews well that a four Corners crew has

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Speaker 1: breached their ethical journalism standards and jeopardizing community safety while

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Speaker 1: filming in the top end. That is according to a

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Speaker 1: series of letters seen by the Northern Territory News. So

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Speaker 1: the ABC labeled those claims offensive, unsubstantiated and defamatory, saying

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Speaker 1: that offers to talk directly with the government representatives about

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Speaker 1: their concerns had been ignored.

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Speaker 3: Chancey, what do you know of this situation?

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Speaker 1: And I mean, I guess I'm just jumping on the

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Speaker 1: back of the alcohol that discussion about alcohol and officials

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Speaker 1: being able to tip.

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Speaker 2: Out alcohol and weather.

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Speaker 3: You know that luck whether it could land the government

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Speaker 3: in further issue.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think when we talk about private security, and

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Speaker 4: private security has been contracted by the Northern Territory government

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Speaker 4: for the last fifteen twenty years, regardless of what political

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Speaker 4: party has been in private security has been engaged at

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Speaker 4: times to patrol and traffic different areas of CBDs right

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Speaker 4: across the territory and they've done a good job and

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Speaker 4: they'll continue to do a good job into the future.

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Speaker 4: That's acknowledging the role that they do. In regards to

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Speaker 4: the Four Corners program that I think Georgie just said

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Speaker 4: it's airing next week. I haven't seen any footage in

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Speaker 4: relation to that, and I again haven't been made aware

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Speaker 4: of those accusations. I know that some of my cabinet

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Speaker 4: colleagues may have been aware of that, And in relation

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Speaker 4: to those allegations of bribery or what is being put forward,

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Speaker 4: that's a matter that would be dealt with accordingly.

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Speaker 7: Well.

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Speaker 1: The Minister had said to me on that she understood

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Speaker 1: that they were alleged to be creating hostile and aggressive situations,

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Speaker 1: and you know they're creating those. I mean, it's a

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Speaker 1: pretty big call, I guess from the Minister to say

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Speaker 1: that none of us are going to know exactly what

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Speaker 1: this is going to look like until we see the

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Speaker 1: show go to air.

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Speaker 3: But it is a big call.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think once it does go to air, I

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Speaker 4: think territorians who live here and know how the territory

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Speaker 4: works will have a greater understanding and be able to

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Speaker 4: actually know for sure what it is and if they

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Speaker 4: are substantiated well.

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Speaker 6: I think also Katie, it goes to a bigger issue

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Speaker 6: that the government is paying security firms to do the

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Speaker 6: job of police and that is not you know, that's

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Speaker 6: not their job. That the money needs to be spent

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Speaker 6: on the police so that we can get more police

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Speaker 6: out there to better support them and better support the community.

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Speaker 6: We don't need to be paying security firms millions of

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Speaker 6: dollars to go and do the role of the police.

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Speaker 2: We can't get enough police.

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Speaker 5: Isn't a good buffer in the meantime just for that

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Speaker 5: kind of patrolling and a presence in the police in

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Speaker 5: the CBD sorry to kind of deter people from conducting

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Speaker 5: that behavior if they can see of security presence coming along,

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Speaker 5: and I.

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Speaker 1: Would say yes, I would say that year at least

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Speaker 1: there is that buffer.

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Speaker 4: We have recruited in twenty twenty two to twenty three

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Speaker 4: one hundred and ninety new members to the police force.

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Speaker 4: There's currently forty recruits in training. The member for Catherine

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Speaker 4: is being gammoned because under the COLP they still had

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Speaker 4: private security guards engaged working through CBDs across the territory.

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Speaker 4: This is not a new phenomenon. This is something that

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Speaker 4: has been in continuation for about twenty years in the

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Speaker 4: territory and I agree with Georgie. I think having people

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Speaker 4: in CBDs, even if they're not police, if they're private security,

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Speaker 4: if they're youth engagement out of each officers that foot traffic,

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Speaker 4: that policing, that enables us to respond and to be

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Speaker 4: advising our hard working police. When there is an issue

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Speaker 4: that looks like it is occurring, or there is activity

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Speaker 4: that looks like it's going to escalate, we can then

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Speaker 4: straight away get in there and respond to it.

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Speaker 2: Look we might tax Katie.

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Speaker 6: According to Nathan Finn, who's the president of the Police Association,

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Speaker 6: we actually only have fourteen additional police officers so chance

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Speaker 6: you can quote the numbers there of how many have

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Speaker 6: gone through, but we actually on the ground only have

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Speaker 6: an extra fourteen.

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Speaker 2: That's the bottom line.

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Speaker 1: We are going to have to take a quick break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 1: It is the week that was. I've said it a

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Speaker 1: few times this morning, but it's always an interesting week

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Speaker 1: when Parliament has sat, particularly for two weeks. But there

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Speaker 1: has been you know, amongst uh the RGI Bargie and

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Speaker 1: you know, the bit of the bit of mud slinging

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Speaker 1: that we see at questions. Would there has indeed been legislation, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there has indeed been legislation passed and also introduced to parliament. Now,

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Speaker 1: one of the pieces of legislation that did pass was

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Speaker 1: changes to the way that the Independent Commissioner against Corruption operates.

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Speaker 1: So the ikak Amendment Bill passed during Tuesday's parliamentary sittings.

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Speaker 1: It put in place new protections for journalists to maintain

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Speaker 1: a source's identity and barring the watchdog from investigating some

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Speaker 1: minor misconduct. I know that there were questions raised about

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Speaker 1: whether there could potentially be a conflict of interest if

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Speaker 1: any member of Parliament was potentially being investigated while then

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Speaker 1: voting on that piece of legislation, But.

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Speaker 3: It went ahead nonetheless, and I.

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Speaker 1: Know the government had said that, you know, as far

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Speaker 1: as they know, nobody's being investigated, so it was nothing

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Speaker 1: to see here. But that was a concern that Robin

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Speaker 1: Lamley had raised, as did Mark Turner. But that legislation's passed.

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Speaker 1: Isn't a watering down of the IKAK No.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think certainly it has been a busy two

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Speaker 4: weeks for all of us and Joe and I are

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Speaker 4: probably the people who looked the most high in here

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Speaker 4: today because it's been a big week of lots of

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Speaker 4: lots of debate. Yeah, I know, look at you. But

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Speaker 4: certainly we've had you know, the Ikke legislation, We've had

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Speaker 4: the education bill, we've had the Architects Bill, they've all

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Speaker 4: passed over the last two weeks, and we've introduced a

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Speaker 4: whole heat which we can talk about in a moment.

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Speaker 4: But certainly the Icack Bill was again based on an

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Speaker 4: important review that was taken place to look at where

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Speaker 4: we could streamline and strengthen and afford those protections to

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Speaker 4: people around going to the IKAK. So certainly really happy

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Speaker 4: to be part of the government that introduced the IQAQ

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Speaker 4: back in our first term of government. And certainly this

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Speaker 4: is making sure and Katie, I'm a big believer that

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Speaker 4: all legislation should be regularly reviewed and contemporized to keep

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Speaker 4: in line with the best practice standards.

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Speaker 1: Now, Georgie, did you did you get much of the

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Speaker 1: IKAK discussion. Did you think it all seems pretty pretty straightforward.

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Speaker 5: I was a bit confused at the start as to

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Speaker 5: who could you remain anonymous into of the disclosure of

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Speaker 5: the person being investigated. But as I understand and correct

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Speaker 5: me if I'm wrong, you know, it's to kind of

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Speaker 5: protect those lower public servants who might be you know,

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Speaker 5: working for ministers and things like that if they're being

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Speaker 5: investigated and obviously if something is found to be corrupt

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Speaker 5: or untoward, then their identity can be released.

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Speaker 4: Is that look again, importantly, it increases the reporting and

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Speaker 4: protections for whistleblowers and witnesses and strengthens the journalists shield law,

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Speaker 4: which are really important. And that was it's the thing

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Speaker 4: to I think Georgia Megical points, it's that territories feel

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Speaker 4: comfortable in the IK being able to do its job

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Speaker 4: and to investigate those serious concerns and breaches.

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Speaker 3: Particularly if you're a whistleblower.

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Speaker 4: I think, oh yeah, you incredibly important. So I mean

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Speaker 4: that was a bill that did come in for debate.

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Speaker 4: I think the hard thing with these bills as well

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Speaker 4: as is acknowledging that as it has been stated, and

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Speaker 4: the Chief Chief has spoken arliment and clarified a number

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Speaker 4: of concerns that the Member for Ara Lewin had, But

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Speaker 4: there is those certain things that when you are under

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Speaker 4: investigation in accordance with the IKAKE. You're not able to

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Speaker 4: actually disclose whether you are or not because you're served

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Speaker 4: with those notices. So again it's important, it's really strengthening

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Speaker 4: those responses. But it's also I'm very comfortable with territorians

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Speaker 4: having the confidence that serious breaches and misconducts or alleged

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Speaker 4: will go to the IKAK be dealt with, and that

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Speaker 4: whistleblowers are afforded the adequate protections and those journalists shield

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Speaker 4: laws are upheld.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I don't disagree with you. I think that

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Speaker 1: they are certainly needed and we do need to make

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Speaker 1: sure that those laws are strong. I guess the point

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Speaker 1: that Robin Lamley was making though, is if somebody were

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Speaker 1: being investigated and then the legislation that you're voting on

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Speaker 1: could potentially you know, he's changed, like he's changing the

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Speaker 1: legislation and somebody's being investigated by that very eyecac.

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Speaker 3: Is that a conflict of interest? And should it have

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Speaker 3: been delayed?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think the bill was extensively out

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Speaker 4: for consultation, and it was a bill to really ensure

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Speaker 4: that the IKAK has the sufficient powers in line with

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Speaker 4: those modern best practice standards and the public expectations of

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Speaker 4: what the IKA can and should do.

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Speaker 1: Now, just moving along to some of the other legislation

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Speaker 1: that was introduced, that domestic Violence bill, as you've just

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Speaker 1: touched on. Now, we hear so often in this studio

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Speaker 1: and right around the Northern Territory the absolute scourge that

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Speaker 1: domestic violence is in the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 3: It is horrendous, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think we all understand just how terrible

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Speaker 1: this issue is. But this legislation introduced by you, Chancey,

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Speaker 1: and some proposals, or certainly some of those changes include

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Speaker 1: clearer and stronger powers for police and courts, broader definitions

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Speaker 1: of domestic violence and domestic and family relationships, increased accountability

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Speaker 1: for domestic and family violence offenders, stronger provisions to consider

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Speaker 1: the same in wellbeing of children, measures to address coheresive

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Speaker 1: control in alignment with national principles, and improved access to

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Speaker 1: information sharing practices in the justice system. I guess the

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Speaker 1: big concern here is do we have the money to

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Speaker 1: be able to fulfill these commitments.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, I think where we are is I am

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Speaker 4: really really incredibly proud of where we've ended up with

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Speaker 4: the bill. We've did extensive consultation. In total, we went

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Speaker 4: out for about twenty four weeks, so we did two

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Speaker 4: rounds of twelve week consultations. One of those was including

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Speaker 4: the draft Exposure Bill. So this is a bill Katie

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Speaker 4: that has been consulted with and input has been by

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Speaker 4: the sector on how to best respond to domestic and

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Speaker 4: family violence here in the territory. Now there's a few

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Speaker 4: parts to this Katie. One, the bill itself provides us

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Speaker 4: with a legal framework within the law of how we

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Speaker 4: can better respond and do those there's the systems piece

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Speaker 4: which Minister Kate Warden is working through around program and

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Speaker 4: responding and then certainly no denying that what is needed

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Speaker 4: in the Northern Territory to respond to this is needs

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Speaker 4: based funding and that's something that we have heard loud

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Speaker 4: and clear from the sector, from the community, and there's

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Speaker 4: certainly something that we're taking to the Commonwealth because how

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Speaker 4: we get funded at the moment federally is based on population,

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Speaker 4: not based on need.

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Speaker 1: And yet is it like, is there does it look

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Speaker 1: as though the federal government's going to come to the

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Speaker 1: table here because you know, I've heard from the government

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Speaker 1: talking so much about that needs based funding, but it

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem as though there's much movement from the federal government.

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Speaker 4: We're not going to let this go. We're absolutely going

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Speaker 4: to absolutely continue to knock and harass the Commonwealth for this.

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Speaker 4: We have heard already people giving evidence in those coronial

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Speaker 4: inquests talking about how needs based funding could shape the

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Speaker 4: future of the Northern Territory in a much better way.

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Speaker 4: What we need is needs based funding because we need

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Speaker 4: to give continuing to invest in the crisis, and that's

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Speaker 4: our hardworking, fantastic women shelters, but we also need to

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Speaker 4: be doing the prevention end. So this legislation, what we've

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Speaker 4: got is fantastic, it's strong, it absolutely goes to addressing

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Speaker 4: a number of areas. We do need to continue to

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Speaker 4: advocate and lobby for the funding from the Commonwealth.

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Speaker 5: Speaking to the women, our top end women legal service.

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Speaker 5: Obviously in the review it stated, you know, almost two

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Speaker 5: hundred million dollars is needed and around six hundred million

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Speaker 5: I think it was a year is spent on domestic

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Speaker 5: violence and obviously the funding is well short of that.

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Speaker 5: Does the government, the territory government need to be investing

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Speaker 5: more into that so that you know, obviously it is

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Speaker 5: funding that's going to help solve these problem and bills

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Speaker 5: are great, but it needs that funding to back it

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Speaker 5: so that people and women can have this accessibility to

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Speaker 5: those services.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look again absolutely acknowledging the process in which we work.

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Speaker 4: Certainly those are considerations that we will take as we

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Speaker 4: go back into our budget cabinet processes and work that

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Speaker 4: through continuing to talk to the Commonwealth and certainly working

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Speaker 4: with Marian Scrimmager, Luke Gosling and Mullenderry McCarthy to ensure

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Speaker 4: that they are continuing to advocate with their government at

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Speaker 4: a federal level for needs based funding in the territory

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Speaker 4: is important because no one is going to let this

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Speaker 4: one go.

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Speaker 3: Look, we are going to have to go.

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Speaker 6: Sorry, Katie, I was just going to say, you know,

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Speaker 6: any form of abuse is totally unacceptable. And we have

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Speaker 6: seen the domestic violence right through the territory.

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Speaker 2: You know the.

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Speaker 6: Results in the latest the police results Darwin nine, Palmeston

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Speaker 6: one hundred percent up, Alice Springs ninety seven percent. Catherine

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Speaker 6: is one hundred and forty six percent increase in domestic violence.

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Speaker 6: And I know when I speak to police on the

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Speaker 6: ground in Alice in Catherine. Sorry, that is a concern

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Speaker 6: that they you know, deal with on a regular basis.

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Speaker 6: The amount of calls that they go to on a

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Speaker 6: daily basis is unacceptable, and you know it'll tie back

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Speaker 6: into the alcohol and you know, dealing with the issues,

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Speaker 6: the primary issues and.

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Speaker 2: Not just putting band aids on things.

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Speaker 1: Looks we are going to have to head to a

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Speaker 1: quick break. We're very fast, running out of time. You

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Speaker 1: are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 1: Well that is it for us this morning. In the

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Speaker 1: studio with us today, we've had Joe Hersey. Thank you

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Speaker 1: Joe so much for your time.

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Speaker 6: Thanks Katie, and thanks listeners. I've got a busy day ahead.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, good to have you in the studio on

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Speaker 1: Chancey Pig, thank you so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 4: Oh Katie, thank you, Thank you listeners, and just again

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Speaker 4: a big shout out to every teacher across the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 2: Have you well teacher today.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Georgie Dickerson, thank you so much for your time

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Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 3: I hope you all have a great weekend.