1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Because joining me on the line right now is the 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: Police Association president Paul Mchughue. 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Paul. 4 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 3: Good morning Katie here you going, yeah, really. 5 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: Well, good to have you on the show as always. Now, Paul, 6 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: I know that the Association is calling for more detail 7 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: to be provided after the files government's plan to spend 8 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: two million dollars on a public order response unit to 9 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: target anti social behavior was announced earlier in the week. 10 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 2: Paul, what's the worry here? 11 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I don't think anyone's begrudging the community wanting 12 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 3: to make sure we're doing everything we can to curb 13 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 3: antisocial behavior and the like. And we know businesses have 14 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 3: been doing it tough for a long time and there's 15 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 3: been a lot of crime. But what we don't want 16 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 3: to see, of course, and we don't have a lot 17 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 3: of the detail at this stage around what this particular 18 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 3: proposal looks like. We're investing two million into a public 19 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 3: order response unit, we don't know really essentially what that's 20 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 3: going to be made up of. We don't want to 21 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 3: see second tier policing out onto our streets. If their 22 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 3: issue on the street, that the police response capability issue. 23 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 3: If we are needing more police. That's where the money 24 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 3: should be invested first and foremost. But you know, as 25 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 3: I said, we're not taking away anything in terms of 26 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 3: what the community need, but we want to make sure 27 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 3: people are out there with the right training, the right 28 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 3: skills and to deal with some very very difficult situations 29 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 3: which evolve on the street. And really without the details 30 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 3: it's proposal, it's very difficult tonight. 31 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: Well, and Paul, I think a lot of us just 32 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: sort of assumed as well, probably that you know that 33 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: this units, this public order response in it was actually 34 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: going to be with. 35 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 2: The territory police. But what is your understanding? 36 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, obviously, you know, the police have worked 37 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 3: in partnership for a long time with various different agencies, 38 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 3: and you know, we know the announcement talks about youth 39 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 3: engagement coming more and more in house with police so 40 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 3: to speak. And look, no one begrudges that, of course, 41 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 3: but we've got transit security, we've got public housing safety offices. 42 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 3: I mean, this is not a new concept. But what 43 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 3: I'm fearful of, and some of the information I've received 44 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 3: is there are actually units driving around on the street 45 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 3: as public order response. I even understand there's a unit 46 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 3: driving around in Palmerston which has dogs with them and 47 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 3: they're responding to social awe issues. Now, I mean that 48 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 3: just sends a whole lot of concerns straight away to 49 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 3: us about who these people are, what their training is, 50 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 3: and what we don't want to see is them be 51 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 3: put in danger because the end of the day, they 52 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 3: could become victims themselves if they're not actually under direct supervision. 53 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: Well, the Lord Mayor of Darwin convat Scalas yesterday called 54 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: for more police, you know, to be patrolling the area. 55 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: He wants to see more boots on the ground. Paul, 56 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: is that where we should be investing one hundred percent? 57 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, police are there to serve and 58 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 3: protect the community. They are the ones that people call 59 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 3: on generally when there are issues in the community, whether 60 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 3: it be a and behavior or break ins or car accidents, 61 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 3: you name it, it's the police that get called. Now, 62 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 3: quite clearly, we don't have enough on the street. If 63 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 3: we're starting to set up various different units like this 64 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 3: without a clear understanding of their roles and responsibilities. Now, 65 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 3: if that has taken place, and we're not saying you know, 66 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 3: you know, we haven't seen the detail We're not saying 67 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 3: we needed to be consulted per se in terms of 68 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 3: you know what that unit might look like. But what 69 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 3: our concern is is our police police resourcing and if 70 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 3: we don't have enough, that's where investments should be put 71 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 3: first and foremost, well do. 72 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: We have enough police? 73 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: Because you know it feels at the moment certainly, you 74 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: know a lot of the commentary around the place from 75 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: from general punters, like normal people, is that you know 76 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: there isn't enough police patrolling the city and patrolling other 77 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: areas where we are saying anti social behavior. 78 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, they're working their backside off at the moment 79 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 3: to make sure they are filling holes in rosters like 80 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 3: you would not believe. I mean, we've just done a 81 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 3: round of meetings through the Greater Darwen area as well 82 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 3: as down in our regional remote areas. I can tell you, 83 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 3: for example, in the Darwen area, one of the main 84 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 3: complaints at those meetings was the insufficient staffing to fill 85 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 3: a roster. Now, when you've got to rely on over 86 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 3: time as the norm to actually get a roster field, 87 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 3: we're in a world a hurd and we know there 88 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 3: are vacancies here in Darwen that aren't being filled. And 89 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 3: obviously the community are recognizing that if they're feeling that 90 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 3: way and feeling like there's not enough police on the ground. 91 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,239 Speaker 3: But certainly the feedback we've received over our recent round 92 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 3: of meetings, there are completely insufficient numbers at the moment 93 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 3: for our members to do what they're being asked to do. 94 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: Well, why is that? Why are the numbers insufficient? 95 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 3: All of you know, it's accepted there are system sickly. 96 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 3: You know, people do take sickly from time to time, 97 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 3: and there's no doubt you know, the last couple of 98 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 3: years has taken its toll. But as I said, there's 99 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 3: also an enormous amount of vacancies in the Darwen area 100 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 3: at the moment. We know there's been policy to send 101 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 3: our new recruits down in our regional remote areas. I 102 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 3: think we're seeing an impact of that strategy, and we're 103 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 3: also seeing an impact of the fairly significant attrition rate 104 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 3: that we've got in our police force at the moment, 105 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 3: where we're losing nearly ten percent of our workforce in 106 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 3: a year. So all of those I guess difficult strategies 107 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 3: and difficulties around retaining police is now forming a bit 108 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 3: of a whole in our rosters that's almost too difficult 109 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 3: to overcome with our enormous amounts of overtime. 110 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: Goodness, mate, I mean that does not sound good. Have we, 111 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: like a wee in a situation here where sometimes we 112 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: don't have enough staff to actually to actually cover different shifts. 113 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 114 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 3: Look, obviously in the Greater day On area, you know, 115 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 3: we have had times where many many occasions or we 116 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 3: understand where members are turning up and they're the only 117 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 3: van there for the night, or at times we haven't 118 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 3: had a roster van because of illness or what have you. 119 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 3: Now in the Greater day On area, we have gernal 120 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 3: duties working out of Palmerston, Darwin and Casarina and they 121 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 3: do their very best to cover all of those sectors 122 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 3: when there are shortages. But we're also talking about the Watchhouse. 123 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 3: We're also talking about in our communication section. All of 124 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 3: these critical frontline areas have been significantly under strength for 125 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 3: some time, to the point we've recently written to the 126 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 3: Assistant Commissioner responsible to highlight these concerns because it's certainly 127 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 3: something that came very strue, very strongly through those recent 128 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 3: meetings Katie. 129 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 2: And what was the response from the Assistant Commissioner. 130 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 3: I was still waiting at the stage, So you know, 131 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 3: we've asked for an urgent reply to this concern we've 132 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 3: raised because at the end of the day, the community 133 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 3: need to know that the police have the numbers to 134 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 3: do what they need to do, that they're safe in 135 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 3: their job, and they've got the response capability to make 136 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 3: sure when the community ring, they're there. And you know, 137 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 3: as I said, they've been doing enormous amounts of work. 138 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 3: All of our frontline people, our shift sergeants, O, you know, 139 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 3: the people that look after these stations, they're doing everything 140 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 3: they can to make sure these people are available. But 141 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, if there's only so 142 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 3: many boots to go around, they can't do the impossible. 143 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: Paul, last time you and I spoke, we spoke about well, 144 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: you revealed that there was going to be a survey 145 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: upcoming at some point, including questions about confidence within the 146 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: police commissioner. 147 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: How are things tracking along with that. 148 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: I know at the time there had been as I understood, 149 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: around nine of the twelve branches who'd come back said 150 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: that they wanted that to happen. 151 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 2: How are the other three going at this point? 152 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I think the majority of met now and 153 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 3: I think you know those numbers as they are. I 154 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 3: think nine out of the twelve have discussed that particular issue. 155 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 3: But we've already made that decision that'll go ahead. As 156 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 3: I said previously with you, that will proceed and likely 157 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 3: within the next couple of weeks. So we're just obviously 158 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 3: working through that at the moment, working through the development 159 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 3: of that survey. We're keen to put that out as 160 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 3: soon as possible. We know our members want to have 161 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 3: a say and rightly say, well, I mean they've been 162 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 3: doing it tough for a long time out there and 163 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: it's about time they have the opportunity to have their say, 164 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 3: and we will do with that information. Of course, we'll 165 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 3: go to government and the Commissioner with those outcomes, and 166 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 3: we're came to do that very soon. 167 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: Paul. What is going to happen if you know, if 168 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: you have a situation where there is a large number 169 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: of police, of the force and of your members that 170 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: say that they don't have confidence in the commissioner. 171 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 3: Well that'll be the information we provide to government and 172 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 3: the Commissioner. And I guess the key points behind that 173 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 3: is the reasons why, and once we understand that, that'll 174 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 3: be used to develop a strategy around addressing those issues. Ultimately, 175 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 3: it's the government, and as I've said to all our members, 176 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 3: and I've said to it to you previously, you know, 177 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 3: we don't employ mister Chalker. That's certainly the government's you know, mantra. 178 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 3: But what we're here to do is represent our members. 179 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 3: They've asked us to us to undertake this survey, and 180 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 3: it's exactly what we're going to do. We're not here 181 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 3: to stifle that debate, and that information will be used 182 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 3: appropriately with government and the Commissioner. 183 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: And we know that the Police Executive Center statement out 184 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: last week as well, and quite you know, it's quite 185 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: unprecedented to see something like that happen. What's been the 186 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: reaction from the rank and file. 187 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 3: To you, Yeah, look, obviously, you know they put out 188 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 3: the statement. That statement was quite clear that they also 189 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 3: want to understand some of the reasons behind you know, 190 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 3: the feeling and the sentiment out there. I think, you know, 191 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 3: I mean, that's entirely their prerogative. I know some of 192 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 3: the feedback from that release was fairly negative in terms 193 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 3: of members wanting to understand why that statement was put 194 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 3: out by the Commissioner. But you know, I equally want 195 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 3: to understand exactly why that sentiment's out there, because it's 196 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 3: been very strong for some time. And unless you get 197 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 3: to dressed and unless we peel back the layers of 198 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 3: concern and really understand it, it's not going to get fixed. 199 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 3: And without it getting fixed, this sentiment will remain, and 200 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 3: we just need to actually address it and move on. 201 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 2: Paul. 202 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: I also know that in one of the recent publications 203 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: issued obviously by the Police Association, as you guys do 204 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: your normal sort of newsletter that comes out, there had 205 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: been some coverage on Zach Rolf. Now has there been 206 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: any update when it comes to the status of his job. 207 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 3: No, not at this stage. We're still working with Constable Rolf, 208 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 3: you know, through the difficult process we're having. I mean, 209 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 3: you know, quite frankly, it's really frustrating, no doubt for 210 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 3: him his family that he's still not back at work. 211 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 3: I mean, this trial concluded in March and we're still 212 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 3: working through these issues here in Nellly in July, and 213 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 3: we're doing everything we can to try and getting back 214 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 3: to work, and we're still providing that support to him 215 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 3: and his family and it's a very frustrating situation and 216 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 3: we're meeting regularly with the department about it. 217 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: So where is the roadblock here? 218 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 3: Look, there's internal processes to go through. You know, there 219 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 3: was obviously the Internet itself was quite significant, and we've 220 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 3: got a coronal inquest coming up commencing in September, and 221 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 3: you know, there's an entire review being undertaken, no doubt 222 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 3: by the police in relation to that response and the 223 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 3: lead up to that coronal inquest. And obviously part of 224 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 3: the part of that internal process is speaking with Comfortable 225 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 3: Rolf and others involved. So we're still working through that, 226 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 3: but we're very keen to have him back at work. 227 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 3: I'm sure the police force would want him back at work. 228 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,599 Speaker 3: You know, he's been found not guilty of that particular 229 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 3: murder charge and he's championed the bit to get back 230 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 3: and help the community of the Northern Territory. 231 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: Well, before I let you go, I mean, how big 232 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: a part do you think that this whole situation with 233 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 1: Zach Rolf is going to play when that survey goes out. 234 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 3: Oh look, ultimately that'll be that'll be the members to see. 235 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 3: I mean, it's been regular feedback. I mean, there's no 236 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 3: secret you know, it upset a lot of people, and 237 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 3: it's and you know, those on those that were involved 238 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 3: in the incident, obviously Zach himself, the investigators who were 239 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 3: part of that process. I mean that was a challenging, 240 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 3: very challenging time for them to be investigating one of 241 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 3: their own and the entire police force. Of course we're 242 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 3: on edge for a couple of years over this, and 243 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 3: obviously we're still got the Crayling quest to come. So 244 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 3: I mean, undoubtedly, I don't think it's any secret it's 245 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 3: going to play a huge part, but you know, there 246 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 3: are obviously other reasons as well while people are feeling 247 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 3: that they are well. 248 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 1: Police Association President Paul McHugh, we always appreciate your time. 249 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 2: Just one last question before I let you go. 250 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: I know, another part of this announcement that was made 251 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: by the Northern Territory government earlier this week, in terms 252 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: of you know, trying to grapple with the issues that 253 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: we're seeing with crime and anti social behavior, there is 254 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: this co location of services is what they've discussed as well, 255 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: and having territory families and others operating more closely with 256 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police. From the feedback that you receive, 257 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: is that going to have much of an impact. 258 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 3: Well, I think one of the challenges has been that, 259 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 3: I guess sharing of information between agencies, and I think, 260 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 3: you know, if that's a process they feel can break 261 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 3: that barrier down, I think it's a good thing. But 262 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 3: obviously we're going to have to wait to get the 263 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 3: feedback from the members on that as to whether it's working. 264 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 3: But I think any positive steps to share information and 265 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 3: work together should be encouraged. 266 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: Well. Police Association President Paul Mchue always appreciate your time. 267 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: Thank you very much for speaking with me this morning. 268 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 3: Thanks Gatie, thank you.