1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,880 Speaker 1: Joining me on the line right now is one of 2 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: the people who has been in Northern Territory politics for 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: a long time. She certainly has been involved, I reckon, 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: in some interesting situations in her time as a politician, 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: and that is Kesier Puric, the Independent member for Goida. 6 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: Good morning, Kezier. 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: Hey, good morning, Katie. Sounds a bit funny. I've got 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 2: a bit of a cold. 9 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: I was going to say, you don't sound very well. 10 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: I hope that you're okay. 11 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, well you've got to deal to go to chemists, 12 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 2: buy more drugs, that kind of thing. 13 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,959 Speaker 1: Just get yourself through with those cold and flu tablets. 14 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Kezier. 15 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: This situation with the Chief Minister, it is interesting, to 16 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: say the least. What do you make of the latest 17 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: shares fiasco? 18 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 2: I can't again, it's a very small parcel of shares, 19 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: you know, like two thousand dollars of or BHP shares. 20 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: I presume it is, like, how can you not know 21 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 2: you've got a little parcel of shares because a publicly 22 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: listed company like that, a large one like that. Excuse me, 23 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: we'll be seeing you about annual notices. Annual notices for 24 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: the AGM possible payment of dividends. So i'm't just at 25 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 2: a loss as to how the Chief Minister could have 26 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: overlooked that she had these shares, unless again it was 27 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: another situation of she inherited them from a family friend 28 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: or relatives or whatever. But I think it's going to 29 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: come back and bite her on the bum because she 30 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: said very clearly last time she had this issue confronting 31 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 2: her that you know, she had declared everything. There was 32 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: nothing else there that she didn't have that she needed 33 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 2: to declare, conflict of interest, etc. So it really has 34 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 2: created a dilemma for the Labor Government, the Labor Party. 35 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: It truly has. And you know, the very real prospect 36 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: this afternoon, keys here is that the Chief Minister is 37 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: expected to hold a press conference after lunchtime today and 38 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: you know some are reporting that it's expected that she's 39 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: going to stand down. 40 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 2: Well that's an option, that's one of the options that's 41 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: before her. Does she stand down as Chief Minister and 42 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: just stay as the Member for Nightcliff, Does she take 43 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 2: the stance with the support of her team, that she's 44 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: going to continue as the Chief Minister and stare down 45 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: her critics, or something else completely. But you know, if 46 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 2: she does resign as chief Minister, then that leads open 47 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 2: for someone to replace her. And we saw what happened 48 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: last time we had two new people coming to the 49 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 2: cabinet to experienced ministers. You would say that when out 50 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 2: of the cabinet. Clearly there's a lot of people in 51 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: there that you know, fancy themselves and think they could 52 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 2: be the chief Minister. But as we've seen so clearly 53 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: over the last six months, it is not an easy 54 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: job and you have to be careful what you wish 55 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 2: for sometimes going into this that you too have to 56 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 2: be squeaky clean when it comes to declaring all your 57 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: interests and how you go about your personal operanding operating situation. 58 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're spot on, and you know, I guess that 59 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: is sort of the speculation though, that everybody is now 60 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: talking about this morning, is who would step in and 61 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: what exactly is going to happen. I mean, is the 62 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: left faction of the Labor Party going to stick behind 63 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: Natasha Fhiles and support her and she stays in the role, 64 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: or has it realistically just become totally untenable, or you know, 65 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: are the right power brokers really pushing for her to 66 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: go and if she does, who's going to step in? 67 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 2: Well, there's a couple of issues there, Katie, as you said, 68 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 2: you know, I think you've said previously. You know, the 69 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 2: left side of the party is opposed rhemently to fracking 70 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: in the Northern Tertiy, which is a bit academic really 71 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 2: because it's happening anyway, and Natasha's supportive of it in 72 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: her role as chief Minister and leader of the government. 73 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: So there is a conpict there straight away, accuse me. 74 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: And then if she does step down, who does step up? 75 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: You know? Does the left get their person up or 76 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: is the right get their person up? Does someone cross 77 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: the floor so to speak again, as I am led 78 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: to believe happened last time. That's why Joe Bowden got 79 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 2: into the cabinet. In this term, ideal is going to 80 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: be done, which at the end of the day is 81 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: extremely destabilizing for the government. You know, well, eight nine 82 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 2: months out from a general election and right before when 83 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: presumably people are going to be resting and going on break, 84 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 2: these people are going to have to be working pretty 85 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: hard because they may well be more cabinet reshuffles, fellows change. 86 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: Maybe not, Maybe they'll just put someone in as the 87 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 2: Chief Minister and then just try and get on with business. 88 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 2: But I think the Chief Minister's got herself into a 89 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: difficult situation and she will have to make a very 90 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 2: difficult decision either way if she stays with the support 91 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 2: of her team and stairs and down, all the critics 92 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 2: on the outside are really going to hammer the government 93 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 2: and expose them, you know, through the witnesses that they 94 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: clearly have at this point in time. Now, I mean, 95 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: I can't. I mean that honestly, Katie. You should know 96 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: what you own. You know, not down to the last penny, 97 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 2: but you should know what you owner where it is. 98 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: I just don't understand how that's happened. And then what 99 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 2: can the Chief Minister do? Does she have to divest 100 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 2: herself with this little past of shares as well as 101 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 2: what she did last time? I don't know. I guess 102 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 2: we'll find out if she's doing a press conference this afternoon. 103 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: Kezia, Nicole Madison, Eva Laula, Joel Bowden, Chancey Paig. They 104 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: are just some of the names that are this, you know, 105 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,679 Speaker 1: being being sort of spoken about. 106 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 2: To take over, well, Katie, it has to be someone 107 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: that has experienced, not only experienced they've got to have. 108 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 2: They've got to have grounding not only as an experienced minister, 109 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 2: but as an elected official, as elected member of Parliament. 110 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 2: And both Joel Baden and Brent Potter good on them 111 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 2: getting appointed to the ministry, but both of them have 112 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 2: not been in Parliament long enough. I won't say which one, 113 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: but some one of them thinks, say, no, standing orders 114 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 2: much better than everyone else in's house, which he doesn't. 115 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 2: But you've got to have the grounding as a member 116 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 2: of Parliament then the experience as a minister. So that's 117 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 2: my view. So that really leads down to the people 118 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 2: who've been there the longest, which is your Evil Lawless 119 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 2: and your Nicole Manison's. We're very experienced in their jol. 120 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 2: Kate Warden's been there for a long time for example. 121 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: Also you've got Mark moynihans who's the Speaker at the 122 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 2: main but you know he might have ambitions to be 123 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: a minister for example. I'm just not really sure, but 124 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 2: it's going to be a tumble, that's for sure. But 125 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 2: they're going to have whatever they do. This is it. 126 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: There's no more chances. I personate they're going to win 127 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,799 Speaker 2: the next election. But this is it. This is really 128 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 2: destabilized not only the government but the party at a 129 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: very critical time in the election cycle. 130 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, this is exactly right. And look we know 131 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: right now that both Sky News and the ABC are 132 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: reporting that she is going to resign this afternoon at 133 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: that press conference. But look, nobody knows exactly what she's 134 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: going to say besides her, I think, and you're right, 135 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: Casey her. 136 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,679 Speaker 2: Your poor bugger, that's all right, more drug. 137 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: But the other thing is, I'm is one thing that 138 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: it's the successor. 139 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 2: Yes, I mean a feel for Natasha if that's what 140 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: she's got to do in the afternoon, but it's a 141 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 2: successor that's going to guide them through the election and 142 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 2: that is one of the most difficult tasks for any leader. 143 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: Well, and I think at the end of the day, 144 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: very vulnerable and at the end of the day, no 145 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: matter what happens at this point, I actually don't think 146 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: that it's going to make a huge difference to the 147 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: outcome of the Northern Terrorit tran election come August unless 148 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: the person who comes in gets in there and really 149 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: hits the ground running. But the fact is, you know, 150 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: all of the names that we've mentioned are now cabinet ministers. 151 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: So if they had any plans to hit the ground 152 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: running and to really you know, get things moving, they'd 153 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: have done so by now. 154 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 2: Well, Katie, the other thing is that they that they 155 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: haven't addressed, and you've talked about it, ad Naugy is 156 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 2: they have not addressed and they have no plan to 157 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: tackle and stop the crime being committed in our society. 158 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: I even heard something about big punch ups out at Casuarina, 159 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 2: and then we have people breaking the butcher's shop and cats. 160 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: It's getting very very very sharp large night. You know, 161 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 2: we're talking about crimes that are going unreported, probably because 162 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 2: there's so many of them. You know, poor police are 163 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 2: just fled out trying to get on top of the 164 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 2: workload they've got. That's what they're going to have to 165 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 2: address this new person, whoever he or she is. And 166 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: I'm not committed they'll have that capacity or capability to 167 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: do that. 168 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to call it early. I don't think 169 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: they've got it in them. Keasier. I mean if they did, 170 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: if they did, they would have done it already. 171 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 2: Just go to the bookies. Just go to the bookies. 172 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: They're a good indicator, as. 173 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: You always say, Oh well, Kezy Epiric, I appreciate your insight. 174 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: How long have you been in NT politics for now? 175 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 2: This is the end of my fifteenth year, end of. 176 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: Your fifteenth year. Wow, I know it's a. 177 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 2: Long time twice over. Yeah, I reckon, And. 178 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: You know, and I mean you've seen these kinds of 179 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: things happen over the years. I mean weather. 180 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 2: Quickly, they yeah, happened quickly, that they simmer along for 181 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 2: a while and then the volcano bursts out and it's 182 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,479 Speaker 2: a huge explosion, which it will be. And then the aftermath, 183 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 2: you know, the picking up, the cleaning up and all 184 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. That'll be the test. And of course, 185 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 2: but as I've said, they've left themselves hugely vulnerable to 186 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: attackle criticism from the opposition and other parties, and you know, 187 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 2: academics have had their say too, so that that's going 188 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 2: to be it's going to be a big job, big 189 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 2: job for them to rebuild their team and to get 190 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 2: Turtoris to trust them, which I don't think they can, 191 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 2: so time will tell. That's always interesting in territory politics. 192 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: It's never a dull moment, that's for sure, never at all. Yeah. 193 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: Well, also who knows where it would go. 194 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: Again, remember the time they tried to roll you and 195 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: they couldn't. That was that was an interesting one. 196 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 2: Are you thinking about the other day, thinking, you know, 197 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 2: it's one thing to have a plan, but you really 198 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 2: must think it through. You know, you must say if 199 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 2: this happens, what if this happens? And that's one of 200 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 2: the failures I think of government and lots of people generally, 201 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 2: we don't always think things through. Now that situates with 202 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: me where they tried to roll me a speak because 203 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 2: they had the audacity to refer them to privileges for 204 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: lying in our government. And they all agreed, nannesty, yes, 205 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 2: that we will vote to vote this figure out. But 206 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 2: they never took a valid they never took a valid 207 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 2: vote or consensus of who do we want to support 208 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 2: the new speaker. So that's when one of the members 209 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: of the government crossed the or the secret valid cross 210 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: them and voted for me to stay. Yeah, I got 211 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: to say so they didn't think it through properly at 212 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: the time. Plus it was back one o'clock in the morning, 213 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 2: so no one was thinking carefully. But yeah, at funny times. 214 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: It's funny times. Indeed, it really is well, Kesyopuric. Always 215 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: good to speak to you. Thanks so much for all 216 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: your time throughout the year, and yeah, we love having 217 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,599 Speaker 1: you on the show. Our listeners love having you on 218 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: the show as well, So we appreciate all the time 219 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 1: that you take to come on the show and we'll 220 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: will no doubt continue to have you on next year. 221 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be lovely. I wanted to bring Christmas Georgia 222 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 2: in to leet you, but I haven't been well in loove. 223 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 2: Maybe next week after Christmas everything. 224 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see how we go. And I am still 225 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: going to Kesier. I am replaying interviews throughout from throughout 226 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: the year, and don't you worry if if time permits, 227 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 1: I'm going to replay your interview about your chook resuscitation. 228 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 2: Ah, poor little chokie, yep I come back to life. Magic. 229 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: Good on your keeps. Thank you, thanks so much for 230 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: your time.