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Speaker 1: We know that Parliament resumes in the Northern Territory this

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Speaker 1: morning and standing orders are set to be suspended to

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Speaker 1: allow the debate of the petition Justice for Declan Lavity.

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt that there's going to be a lot

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt the government's going to be keen to

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Speaker 1: focus on the changes that they've implemented following the deaths

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Speaker 1: of the bottle shop worker. Now late yesterday we learned

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Speaker 1: a bit more detail of the government's new knife crime strategy,

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Speaker 1: but much like the review into the bar legislation, many

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Speaker 1: are wondering if the changes go far enough. Joining me

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Speaker 1: on the line right now is the Attorney General, Chancey Paig.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to.

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Speaker 3: You, Minister Morning Katie Now.

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Speaker 1: Attorney General first up this morning, can you tell me

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Speaker 1: what the analysis of knife crime data conducted in recent

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Speaker 1: weeks as part of this body of work demonstrated or showed.

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Speaker 3: Yes, certainly so. The data and the evidence are used

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Speaker 3: to develop this strategy. Was Attorney General Injustice and Northern

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Speaker 3: Territory Police data that helped us make the informed strategy position,

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Speaker 3: and that looks at a whole range of recommendations that

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Speaker 3: we believe, being enforced, we'll see a reduction in knife

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Speaker 3: crime across the territory. Now, when we look at the statistics,

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Speaker 3: what that review highlighted is that just under fifty percent

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Speaker 3: of all knife crime in the territory is domestic and

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Speaker 3: family violence. So it does also highlight the need for

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Speaker 3: us to be advocating for that needs based funding here

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Speaker 1: So what does the other you know, more than fifty

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Speaker 2: What kind of incidents?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so look, all of the incidences that do happen

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Speaker 3: through knife crime are a range of options. As I said,

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Speaker 3: around fifty percent or just under is incidences that do

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Speaker 3: occur as a result of domestic and family violence in

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Speaker 3: the homes. The other percent looks of course that is happening,

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Speaker 3: So certainly, this strategy, the knife crime prevention strategy, looks

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Speaker 3: at how we can address that through a range of measures.

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Speaker 1: Okay, who was consulted on then when you look at

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Speaker 3: Yes, so certainly, again This strategy was developed by the

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Speaker 2: So all government departments.

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Speaker 1: Was anybody in the private sector or any of victims

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Speaker 3: Certainly, this strategy that was released yesterday now enables the

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Speaker 3: are retail, hospitality, the Aboriginal community controlled sectors, are victims

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Speaker 1: Lolock, wouldn't you consult with them beforehand to see whether

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Speaker 3: Well, Katie, as I've made it clear time and time again,

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Speaker 3: I am an evidence based Attorney General. The evidence is

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I guess what I'm getting to though, is

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Speaker 1: the government is certainly picking and choosing statistics when you

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Speaker 1: come through with this legislation. Now, obviously you're at pains

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Speaker 1: to say that nearly fifty percent of the NiFe related

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Speaker 2: It's a horrendous figure. There is no other way of

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Speaker 1: But you've got more than fifty percent then of these

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Speaker 1: which I understand. But what you're sort of announcing is

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Speaker 3: No, look, Katie, I disagree with that position. Certainly, we

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Speaker 1: Talk us through what these changes are going to be

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so, certainly, look, the Northern Territory government will be

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Speaker 2: Katie, all right, a few quick ones.

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Speaker 1: Are knives going to be behind counters from this point on.

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Speaker 3: Certainly we will be working with hospitality and the retail

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Speaker 1: So by the sounds of it, it will be so

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Speaker 1: like even if you own a kitchen were store in Casurina,

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Speaker 1: those knives are going to have to go behind a counter, Katie.

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Speaker 3: We're not saying that at the moment. We're saying we're

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Speaker 2: They may or may not go behind counters.

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Speaker 3: Again, that's what we'll do now that the strategy has

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Speaker 2: How is that going to help in a bottle shop?

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Speaker 3: Certainly, Katie. Again, this goes to a number of the recommendations.

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Speaker 3: Is looking at the uniform practice. It's looking at how

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Speaker 1: Why hasn't that de escalation training all ready started? I mean,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, when we talk about the de escalation training,

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Speaker 3: as the government. We have made it clear that that's

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Speaker 2: How much money are you going to be investing into that?

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Speaker 3: Look, we will invest as much money as needed to

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Speaker 2: So we haven't got to figure it's attached to that yet.

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Speaker 3: We have said we've made the commitment that we'll have

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Speaker 1: Okay, how are you going to deliver education programs to

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Speaker 1: say again some of those involved are already disengaged in

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Speaker 3: Certainly, we've made it clear that our commitment around this

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Speaker 3: give it every opportunity to provide the training everywhere we can.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Tony General, A lot of what you're saying this

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Speaker 1: get in we're carrying a bit bigmachetti. So how is

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Speaker 3: Well, again, this is a crime prevention strategy, the knife strategy,

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Speaker 3: Katie that this strategy will absolutely go to addressing and

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Speaker 1: Attorney General, Honestly, if this was the bee all and

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Speaker 1: you've just said to me this morning. You know you're

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Speaker 2: At the moment.

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Speaker 1: We don't know exactly how much money is going to

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Speaker 3: That's your view, but you've.

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Speaker 1: Come out with an announcement that's no money attached to

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Speaker 3: Clear, Katie, if you would just give me the opportunity, I've.

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Speaker 1: Given you plenty of opportunity to talk it through, but

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Speaker 1: unfortunately the answers that you're giving are not in line

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Speaker 2: Attorney General, Well, Katie.

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Speaker 3: We've made it clear, but after the fact we will

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Speaker 3: be resourcing the adequate training.

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Speaker 1: But you can't say how much money we do that training.

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Speaker 1: But you can't tell us how much money's attached to it, Katie.

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Speaker 3: The commitment by this government is absolutely there to provide

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Speaker 3: every person in those industries with adequate training around de escalations.

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Speaker 1: I really hope so, because the community's screaming out for it.

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Speaker 2: So I really hope so. And I really really hope

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Speaker 1: Announcement that you've made has made a difference or that

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Speaker 1: it's going to make a difference. But people are feeling

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Speaker 1: right now, Attorney General, that some of the announcements that

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: The government's saying that obviously the evidence has not shown

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Speaker 3: Point, Katie, again, we have made a number of immediate

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Speaker 3: for our hard working Northern Territory police stop and search powers.

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Speaker 3: We changed the Weapons Control Act. I have absolutely said,

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Speaker 3: and I'll say it again, I am not opposed to

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Speaker 3: absolutely I will make the laws change.

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Speaker 1: Attorney General, we have got a situation since those last

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Speaker 1: announcements were made around the bail reform. Ten thousand extra

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Speaker 1: territorians sign that petition that's going to be debated in

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Speaker 1: Parliament today. So what I'm trying to get to is

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Speaker 1: the calls from the territory community at this point. You know,

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Speaker 1: with the evidence that you're referring to, and Katie, every.

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Speaker 3: Day we have to make decisions based on evidence and

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Speaker 3: we need to make sure that we work those through

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Speaker 3: We need to make sure that this works. And what

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Speaker 3: we are doing is it evidence based approach to crime

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Speaker 3: prevention as well as the legislative reforms that we have made.

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Speaker 3: And absolutely if the evidence tells us we need to

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Speaker 1: Can you guarantee that this is going to see a

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Speaker 3: The strategy, the knife crime reduction strategy, I am confident

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Speaker 1: All right, Attorney General, I want to ask we know

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Speaker 1: that today the debate is going to happen. As I've

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Speaker 1: touched on just a moment ago into the petition Justice

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Speaker 1: for Decklan Lavity. My understanding is that things have changed

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Speaker 1: just slightly this morning with a condolence motion first off,

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Speaker 1: now for the Marines, is that correct?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Look, Katie, the assembly will kick off this morning

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Speaker 3: and we'll go through the standard procedures of the Assembly.

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Speaker 3: The Speaker will obviously take some time this morning to

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Speaker 3: acknowledge that tragic event that has unfolded over on Melville Island.

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Speaker 3: Will go through the general commencement of the Assembly and

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Speaker 3: then yes, we will be having the debate around that petition.

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Speaker 1: Do you anticipate that as a result of that debate

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Speaker 1: with the petition, that there's going to be any further

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Speaker 3: Well, look, it's an important debate this morning before the

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Speaker 3: Northern Territory Legislative Assembly. It is an opportunity for all

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Speaker 3: to that debate and we certainly welcome that debate and

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Speaker 3: think it's an important one to have.

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Speaker 1: Attorney General Chancey Peig appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thanks very much for speaking to us.

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Speaker 3: No worries, mate, Thank you,