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Speaker 1: Hey guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut.
Speaker 1: I'm Brittany and this is our fifth attempt deadn intro. Look.
Speaker 1: Today is not off to a flying star, but it
Speaker 1: can only go onwards enough woods from here, let me
Speaker 1: tell you that. Also, I kind of feel like we've
Speaker 1: gone back to twenty twenty one because instead of ask
Speaker 1: Britt and I being together in the same room gazing
Speaker 1: into each other's eyes, Brita is currently in Port McQuary
Speaker 1: and we are recording this via zoom, just like the
Speaker 1: old days. Yeah, it is very similar to twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one in terms of yep, it's long distance. That's where
Speaker 1: we're doing the record. We're in different locations, but that's
Speaker 1: where the similarities end. Law, I am not overseas with
Speaker 1: a lover, you know. I am in Port McQuary. Well, like,
Speaker 1: we can't even laugh about this, Well we are. It's
Speaker 1: been a long, hard, full famiing Port McQuary just for
Speaker 1: not even forty eight hours. Actually, I ducked up to
Speaker 1: see my family because my family is still in Port McQuary.
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen my nieces and nephews in a little while.
Speaker 1: My sister Sherry decided to come down from the Gold Coast,
Speaker 1: so we sort of met halfway, so very last minute,
Speaker 1: with about four hours notice. It's probably the most spontaneous
Speaker 1: thing I've done in a while. Packed up a bag
Speaker 1: and threw Douila in the back of the car and
Speaker 1: off we went up the coast. I have a story
Speaker 1: for you that will make you feel slightly better. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is good, We're getting back on track. Okay, So,
Speaker 1: do you remember how we went to that women's day
Speaker 1: lunch recently and we were given a goodie bag? I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: we do very little, so I remember it well. It
Speaker 1: was about two weeks ago, so we were given a
Speaker 1: goodie bag at this woman's Day lunch and one of
Speaker 1: the things that was in the goodie bag was a vibrator.
Speaker 2: There was so many nice things and now that we're
Speaker 2: living in this sexually inclusive world where you know, women's
Speaker 2: sexuality is being more celebrated. Part of the International Women's
Speaker 2: Day goodie bag was a vibrator. Now, I have said
Speaker 2: on this podcast before I have never owned a vibrator.
Speaker 1: This was news to me. I was very excited. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, you used it. I was gonna give the girl, well, yeah, look,
Speaker 1: I tried be try. How does one try? Like? What
Speaker 1: could have possibly gone wrong? In the moment you opened
Speaker 1: it to activation? I was by myself. I got it
Speaker 1: out and I was like, it's too big. How does
Speaker 1: one use this? It's too fucking big. You tried to
Speaker 1: use it in the packaging. I tried to use the
Speaker 1: fucking case, everybody, not the vibrator that's inside. I meant
Speaker 1: to be fair. It looks pretty nice and it's soft
Speaker 1: and very smooth. So you tried to put the whole,
Speaker 1: like the whole case in inside you. Look, I didn't
Speaker 1: get very far. I was that's just walked in. That's
Speaker 1: just walked in his head. Do you want to join
Speaker 1: in on this conversation? I was gonna say, this is
Speaker 1: not great for Matt.
Speaker 3: Goodness me, I.
Speaker 1: Can only dream of being this side, Laura, did it
Speaker 1: actually how far in did it get? Well? No, not
Speaker 1: very far at all. Where was I What was I doing?
Speaker 1: I don't know, You're probably out the kids. No. I
Speaker 1: just was like I wonder, I wonder what that would
Speaker 1: and then I was like, no, that's way too big.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't until I heard something rattling around inside
Speaker 1: that I realized, actually, the vibrators inside the packaging, and
Speaker 1: you shouldn't stick the whole packaging inside yourself. But did
Speaker 1: you not think that the key word here is vibrator?
Speaker 1: So how did you think that was to vibrate? Laura?
Speaker 1: I'm so confused. Look, there was a fatal flaw in this.
Speaker 1: I told you I had never used one before, and
Speaker 1: I know that I don't know. It seemed like a
Speaker 1: very penis shape. The packaging is extremely peni shaped. It's
Speaker 1: pink everything about it. Matt's in the background holding it. Now. Fuck,
Speaker 1: it's like, I might go try this out. Can we
Speaker 1: get rid of it? Please? It's making me feel very inadequate.
Speaker 1: But wait, when you look at what it actually when
Speaker 1: you look at what it actually looks like, that should
Speaker 1: make you feel a little bit less inadequate. Still, inadequate,
Speaker 1: get rid of it. She's like, still like things going
Speaker 1: in the bin. I love that you did that, and
Speaker 1: that you had no idea, and that also you didn't
Speaker 1: put two and two together with the word vibrator and
Speaker 1: how you would press on when it's in its packaging. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I did realize pretty early on in
Speaker 1: the piece. I realized, But then I also figured out
Speaker 1: that it wasn't charged. You've got a charge of this thing.
Speaker 1: It's got like a USB port and everything. It's got
Speaker 1: a hue big your girls getting sexually explorative. I'm trying,
Speaker 1: but it didn't go to plan. You could do some
Speaker 1: work at the same time. You got like a little
Speaker 1: simcon in there. You can just pop it in, charge
Speaker 1: it up, do you work. You can multitime. Yeah. That
Speaker 1: was my little, accidentally unfiltered story, was that I really tried.
Speaker 1: So what happened by the time you figured it out?
Speaker 1: You just gave up and be like, fuck, I can't
Speaker 1: be bothered anymore? Like how long were you trying to
Speaker 1: figure this out for? Well, surprisingly, I wasn't that aroused anymore. Look,
Speaker 1: the moment had come, the moment had gone, and then
Speaker 1: I was like, this is really cutting into my ability
Speaker 1: to just go to sleep, so I might just do
Speaker 1: that instead. The moment had come and that was the
Speaker 1: only thing that came. Yeah, cute, Okay, love that fear. Well,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to try again soon.
Speaker 2: You can't just give up because you couldn't figure it out.
Speaker 2: My new thing, though, is is like, now that Matt
Speaker 2: knows about it, I'm gonna have to use this as
Speaker 2: a couple's tool.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I can't just be like, sorry, Matt once again, I've
Speaker 2: had a good old time and didn't include you in it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have to, but sure, why not
Speaker 1: if especially if you haven't used it before, why not
Speaker 1: ask him to use it? There you go, Laura, the
Speaker 1: report back next week. Maybe we'll do that, and then
Speaker 1: before you've got some homework for the week, I want
Speaker 1: to hear about your experiences next week. I really considered
Speaker 1: whether to share this story or not, and I was like,
Speaker 1: do I sacrifice my dignity for content? Do we have
Speaker 1: any lets? That is the question. Let's move on. Let's
Speaker 1: just move on from my story. Like I said, let's
Speaker 1: talk about what the episode's about.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the episode that we're doing today is something
Speaker 2: I think everybody in this current climate is experiencing to
Speaker 2: various degrees, and that is we're talking about the overwhelm. Now,
Speaker 2: feelings of overwhelmed can creep in in many different areas
Speaker 2: of life.
Speaker 1: I know that as a mum. It is a conversation
Speaker 1: that I have literally on repeat with all of my
Speaker 1: friends who are mums, how overwhelmed they feel from just
Speaker 1: the surmounting pressures not just around parenting, but around work.
Speaker 1: And then we're also unpacking what it is like at
Speaker 1: the moment in terms of the news and how the
Speaker 1: news is just this We're constantly being bombarded with the
Speaker 1: urgency and the desperation and the dire straits of the world,
Speaker 1: and how that's all contributing to this feeling of being
Speaker 1: wildly and incredibly overwhelmed. Yeah. I don't really know of
Speaker 1: anyone at the moment, like anyone in my life that
Speaker 1: I ever speak to that I say, hey, how are you?
Speaker 1: Every response is oh, just so busy or so stressed,
Speaker 1: I've got so much on or there is a lot
Speaker 1: of external sources at the moment that are causing a
Speaker 1: lot of people's stress. And exactly that the word overwhelmed
Speaker 1: and just last week I was at the dog park
Speaker 1: and I was talking to the other dog mums, because
Speaker 1: that's what we do. I guess it's the equivalent of
Speaker 1: when you take your kids to the playground. We're talking
Speaker 1: to all the other dog mums and one of them
Speaker 1: just said, I've turned the news off. I can't watch
Speaker 1: it anymore. It's too overwhelming. She's I don't want to
Speaker 1: know about it anymore. Every time I turn it on,
Speaker 1: all I can hear is you know all these depressive things.
Speaker 1: And I just thought to myself, that is really really true.
Speaker 1: But what's the answer. Is the answer to turn the
Speaker 1: news off is the answer to shut the world out.
Speaker 1: So Lauraen and I had a discussion about it, and
Speaker 1: we thought, this is a really great episode because everyone
Speaker 1: in our life, everyone we know right now, has the
Speaker 1: same feeling of stress and overwhelmed. So it's a really
Speaker 1: good one. And we speak to Sam from The Daily
Speaker 1: Oas a lot of you might know The Daily Os
Speaker 1: if you don't, it's a really great Instagram site that
Speaker 1: presents the most important parts of the news every single day.
Speaker 1: We've been big fans of them for a long time.
Speaker 1: So the man behind the account, Sam, he actually joins
Speaker 1: us in the episode to really nut out what it
Speaker 1: is about the news that can be overwhelming and what
Speaker 1: we can do about it when we do feel like
Speaker 1: it's starting to become too much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as well, and then unpacking there's a few other
Speaker 2: parts of this which I think are really important, because
Speaker 2: it's one thing for us to sit here and be like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're so overwhelmed by the news. How about being the
Speaker 2: people who are in the news, Like life is very
Speaker 2: very hard for a lot of people at the moment,
Speaker 2: and it's a privilege to be able to just turn
Speaker 2: the news off and not care about what's going on
Speaker 2: in the world. So we do unpack that, and then
Speaker 2: also touch on this idea of what is doom scrolling,
Speaker 2: so like being perpetually bombarded by data, being perpetually bombarded
Speaker 2: by content, and what impact that has on our ability
Speaker 2: to want to be happy, but also what impact that
Speaker 2: has on our feelings of anxiety, on our feelings of stress,
Speaker 2: on our feelings of overwhelm, and how all these things
Speaker 2: contribute and factor in together.
Speaker 1: Speaking of overwhelm, this is a nice little segue into
Speaker 1: a story I want to tell you about about a
Speaker 1: man in the US name Simon Jackson. Now, Simon Jackson
Speaker 1: lives in Seattle, which, after some googling, is definitely in
Speaker 1: I think the top ten most expensive cities to live in,
Speaker 1: top ten, top fifteen. Can't don't quote me, we'll look
Speaker 1: it up. Well. Simon Jackson decided to really capitalize on
Speaker 1: the COVID situation and everyone emptying their offices and working
Speaker 1: from home situations. So his office decided to send everyone
Speaker 1: home like everyone else did, so his offices were empty.
Speaker 1: Now he decided, I see an opportunity here. I am
Speaker 1: going to stop paying rent in my ridiculously overpriced apartment
Speaker 1: in my ridiculously overpriced city, and I'm going to move
Speaker 1: into my office cubicle, not an office, an office cubicle,
Speaker 1: and live rent free. So he packed up his apartment
Speaker 1: and moved into his office.
Speaker 2: I'm envisiting one of these cube farms, like a literal
Speaker 2: open and open planned office. So you sit adjacent to somebody,
Speaker 2: how would you fit your stuff in? And also where
Speaker 2: did you even find this?
Speaker 1: This is on lad Bible. This is where all the
Speaker 1: hard hit facts come from. It's a real low braw article. Everybody,
Speaker 1: This is exactly right. It's one of these, like you
Speaker 1: know it's a big it's picture a whole floor of
Speaker 1: an office that's all open, and you just have those
Speaker 1: little cubicles so it's not glassed off. There's no doors,
Speaker 1: there's nothing. It's just like that tiny scream, like a
Speaker 1: divider that comes up to your nipples, and then you've
Speaker 1: got your desk.
Speaker 2: The moment the workday finishes, most people are careening out
Speaker 2: of the office, let alone trying to pretend like you're
Speaker 2: leaving the office to then stay there and come back
Speaker 2: for the night time.
Speaker 1: Well, he puts all he's like his little office straws.
Speaker 1: He takes his clothes, so that's his cupboard, so he puts.
Speaker 1: He's put his clothes in his office straws. He's got
Speaker 1: a sleeping bag. He just sleeps on the floor like
Speaker 1: it's a full camp set up in his office. But
Speaker 1: he's like, bingo, I will just live for free. There's
Speaker 1: no commute. We can do my work. But for some reason,
Speaker 1: actually not for some reason, it's just what our generation does.
Speaker 1: He thought it would be a brilliant idea not to
Speaker 1: just move in, but to TikTok the whole thing, to
Speaker 1: document the whole thing and upload it to social media.
Speaker 1: Because our generation can't fart without recording it, so that's
Speaker 1: what he's done. It's generated thirteen million in view, so
Speaker 1: it's gone viral.
Speaker 2: If you were to do this and not tell anyone,
Speaker 2: you could probably get away with it for a very,
Speaker 2: very long time.
Speaker 1: The man's never going to be a spy. He's never
Speaker 1: gonna be the FI. He moved in and he put
Speaker 1: it up thirteen million views, and of course one of
Speaker 1: those views was his boss. So how long did he
Speaker 1: live in his own cubicle four? I don't think it
Speaker 1: was very long. I think it happened really quickly and
Speaker 1: he got the sack. His boss called him and was like, bro,
Speaker 1: I've seen that you're living in the office, because there
Speaker 1: were thirteen million people who have seen that. You're fired.
Speaker 1: So he kicked him out. Well, he's pretty much like,
Speaker 1: you want to move out and he can keep your
Speaker 1: job while you fight. And the guy's like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: famous now on TikTok, so I quit. He described the
Speaker 1: stunt as a bit of a protest. This is his quote.
Speaker 1: It's a bit of a protest, and it was aimed
Speaker 1: at drawing attention to the difficulty of affording an apartment
Speaker 1: in Seattle on his current salary. So I guess I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's what he set out to do,
Speaker 1: because I don't think he thought he was going to
Speaker 1: go viral. I don't think he set up being like, yes,
Speaker 1: this TikTok of me moving into my office is going
Speaker 1: to make thirteen million views. But I think once it did,
Speaker 1: he was like, you know what, let's capitalize on this,
Speaker 1: and let's really say this is I'm doing this because
Speaker 1: I can't afford. You're not paying enough to live in
Speaker 1: this ridiculously expensive city. I have had my staff before.
Speaker 1: We have an upstairs from the shop, and it's got
Speaker 1: like a little bathroom, it's got a kitchen downstairs. I
Speaker 1: have had my staff let themselves into the shop after
Speaker 1: having a blinder of a night a belter in Sydney
Speaker 1: and go upstairs and sleep on the couch and then
Speaker 1: have a shower and get ready for work the next day.
Speaker 1: And I never found out until somebody told me at
Speaker 1: a Christmas party that that's what they were doing. I
Speaker 1: guess they don't really care. Oh my god, that's so funny,
Speaker 1: But I don't really care. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: imagine if somebody moved into your office space, Like they're
Speaker 1: living there, where are they sleeping?
Speaker 2: Where are they showering? Where are they eating their breakfast?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: How do they manage to get through this but also
Speaker 2: still keep a productive work life balance.
Speaker 1: I would love to know where he's showering and cooking
Speaker 1: his food? Did you have a little camp stove? Did
Speaker 1: he bring some baked beans? Like? How was that happening?
Speaker 1: But I guess you could afford to eat out now
Speaker 1: he's not paying rent also using the office a wave. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: so he said, quote, they do not pay me enough
Speaker 1: to do both, I e. Work live commute. So a
Speaker 1: matter of protest, I'm going to live at my job
Speaker 1: and we'll see how long I can get away with this.
Speaker 1: So it turns out it wasn't very long. It was
Speaker 1: four days. He lived there for four days, I was
Speaker 1: in and he came TikTok famous. But in four days
Speaker 1: he kickstarted his career. So he said, now he's going
Speaker 1: to focus on his brand. So he is now a TikToker.
Speaker 1: He probably earns more money on TikTok than he's ever
Speaker 1: going to earn in his office. So I guess this
Speaker 1: worked out really well for him.
Speaker 2: I guess one of the parts of this and like,
Speaker 2: as much as it's a funny story, the back end
Speaker 2: of it is actually kind of shit. Like nobody wants
Speaker 2: to work so hard to then still feel like at
Speaker 2: the end of the week that they can barely afford
Speaker 2: their rent. And I think so many people, even living
Speaker 2: in Sydney had those same feelings of like, I work
Speaker 2: my ass off and then ninety percent of my income
Speaker 2: goes towards paying rent to live wherever it is that
Speaker 2: you've got to work. And actually, there is a report
Speaker 2: that's just come out the Demography is International Housing of
Speaker 2: Audability of twenty twenty two. It came out in March,
Speaker 2: and it says that Sydney is the second most expensive
Speaker 2: city in the entire.
Speaker 1: World to buy house.
Speaker 2: And basically if you go through this list, it's got
Speaker 2: twenty different cities on the list. Hong Kong's number one,
Speaker 2: Sydney's number two. But then almost every single Australian city,
Speaker 2: like major city is on that list in the top twenties.
Speaker 1: It's wild. I mean, like it's such a catch twenty
Speaker 1: two because we are so privileged in Australia, like we're
Speaker 1: such a great country in so many ways, but fuck me,
Speaker 1: we are so expensive. It is so expensive to live.
Speaker 1: And do you know the shock that I got when
Speaker 1: I moved because I'm a country girl from pomon Quarrie,
Speaker 1: But the shock I will never forget when I started
Speaker 1: to look for rentals when I first moved to Sydney
Speaker 1: and I put in my rental amount, I think it
Speaker 1: was three hundred dollars a week. I remember typing three
Speaker 1: hundred dollars a week and this one place came up
Speaker 1: that sounded too good to be true. It was like
Speaker 1: five minute walk to the beach. You'll be sharing the
Speaker 1: area with like three other people, but they were all young,
Speaker 1: working professionals. You can move in next week. Everything was amazing.
Speaker 1: Then I was like brilliant. I clicked on and started
Speaker 1: to go through the photos and I had a lot
Speaker 1: of like location photos and not a lot of anything else.
Speaker 1: And then the fine print down the bottom it said
Speaker 1: what they were renting out was a tent in the backyard.
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding, but three hundred dollars a week buck yes,
Speaker 1: And I nearly don't. I thought it was a prank.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm this is Candy cameram on Candon camera,
Speaker 1: but they were renting out because obviously they couldn't even
Speaker 1: afford their own rent and housing was so this was
Speaker 1: like it was in demand, so they rented a tent.
Speaker 1: It was like, I mean, it was a big tent.
Speaker 1: It was like and I think it had an extra room.
Speaker 1: It was a pretty big dome tent.
Speaker 2: Was it like share facilities at the kitchen and the
Speaker 2: internal bathroom. You've got like here, come use our share facilities,
Speaker 2: the laundry and everything else. And if you want to
Speaker 2: watch TV, you can come sit on the lounge. But
Speaker 2: at nighttime you've got to go back.
Speaker 1: To your tent. I don't even know if you were
Speaker 1: allowed in, but it was like, no wonder there were
Speaker 1: no electricity bills or internet included. They were like no bills,
Speaker 1: you don't need to pay anything. It's because there is
Speaker 1: no electricity a tent. This okay, I'll bet you know what.
Speaker 1: I actually read this report and this is on boss hunting.
Speaker 1: But like I read the report and I guess at
Speaker 1: the start, I was like, oh, that's so overwhelming to
Speaker 1: know how expensive it is to live in Australia. But
Speaker 1: there's also something incredibly like satisfying in being validated. I
Speaker 1: think we all know how expensive rent is here. I
Speaker 1: think we all know how expensive it is to even
Speaker 1: try and remotely get into the housing market. Yeah, too
Speaker 1: much avocado on toast. I think it's almost unfair.
Speaker 2: I think that there is this expectation, or this like
Speaker 2: assumption that our generation is spending all our money on
Speaker 2: frivolous things. But I think that our generation, we almost
Speaker 2: can't get ahead to buy the house, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like, buying the house is so far in
Speaker 2: the future. It's such an unachievable goal for so many
Speaker 2: people that we're not motivated to say for it, because
Speaker 2: even if you saved for thirty years, you might not
Speaker 2: even still be able to pay off the house totally.
Speaker 2: But this is what the report says. It says Sydney's
Speaker 2: medium house price is fifteen times more than the average
Speaker 2: household income, and it's only beaten by Hong Kong, which
Speaker 2: is twenty three times the collective annual take home It.
Speaker 1: Is freaking wild. But yeah, look, I mean, as we said,
Speaker 1: it is an incredibly expensive place to live, but it's
Speaker 1: also an incredibly privileged place to live as well. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: enough about the depressing talk about how no one can
Speaker 1: afford anything except in avocado. Speaking of the Overwhelmed, What
Speaker 1: a perfect segue into that topic. But first, before we
Speaker 1: get into talking about the Overwhelmed, we have our favorite
Speaker 1: part of every episode, and that is accidentally unfiltered. All right, Britt,
Speaker 1: you can kick it off with accidentally unfiltered Uno numero one. Okay, guys,
Speaker 1: I work full time from home and have two point
Speaker 1: five year old twins. As you can imagine, my days
Speaker 1: can be somewhat chaotic. Well, this morning, I was super
Speaker 1: busy with work and I was trying to get my
Speaker 1: kids organized for a nap when I had a miscall
Speaker 1: from a very very important client. I had decided to
Speaker 1: call him straight back because you know, hashtag multitasking. His
Speaker 1: phone went to voicemail, so I hung up. I was
Speaker 1: talking with my babysitter, saying, oh, no answer, It's okay,
Speaker 1: I don't like him anywhere. Oh it smells like poo
Speaker 1: in here, which one of you guys did a pooh oh?
Speaker 1: Now I need to do a week. Can you hold
Speaker 1: the baby. I'll be back in a second. God knows
Speaker 1: what else I said, just as I went to put
Speaker 1: my phone on the table. To my shock, I had
Speaker 1: been recording a twenty five second voicemail the entire time
Speaker 1: telling this very important client how much I didn't like him.
Speaker 1: I almost died. I called him straight back and said,
Speaker 1: I am so sorry, I just accidentally let your voicemail
Speaker 1: talking to my kids. Please don't listen and delete it
Speaker 1: and we can continue the conversation now. Oh do you know,
Speaker 1: though I don't think, I don't think people listen to voicemail,
Speaker 1: I do, yes. I never listened to voicemail messages. Never.
Speaker 1: Maybe her saving grace is that she called him so
Speaker 1: quickly back that he was like, well, there's no point
Speaker 1: in listening to it. But I definitely listened to my
Speaker 1: voice messages.
Speaker 2: No, because my voicemail message it usually like predicts some
Speaker 2: to text, and it's like, you know the person that
Speaker 2: you've missed a call from, so then I just call
Speaker 2: them back. I never ever ever go in and listen
Speaker 2: to record a voice my messages.
Speaker 1: Well that's worse, Laura, because that means, well, that means
Speaker 1: to turn to her message into a text and sent
Speaker 1: it to him. That is not a better option. I
Speaker 1: don't like him and his male's like poo in here.
Speaker 1: I don't like that either. I don't like him at all.
Speaker 1: That's what she said. I don't like him at all.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine if I was a client, I was
Speaker 1: just about to drop some money. Actually, do you know
Speaker 1: what's funny? Laura? I don't know if you know this.
Speaker 1: This has happened to us before on the Life on
Speaker 1: Cut email. God, what have you done? We had a client.
Speaker 1: It wasn't me, it was one of the clients. We
Speaker 1: had a client, and I'm never gonna say who, And
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe our listener, no, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: They were talking to us. There was an email chain.
Speaker 1: Initially they reached out about working together, maybe doing some advertising.
Speaker 1: What that would look like an initial you know? So
Speaker 1: I wrote back very professional wrote back my response, and
Speaker 1: I was like, we'd absolutely love to here's our media
Speaker 1: deck anything you need to know. Then this person, Oh,
Speaker 1: I feel awkward about this already? Or do we want
Speaker 1: this on the podcast? Well it was not too bad,
Speaker 1: but obviously thought they were forwarding the email to their
Speaker 1: boss and the rest of their colleagues to see if
Speaker 1: they thought it was a good idea. But I was
Speaker 1: still on the email chain and it was like a
Speaker 1: shit fire. I didn't know what to do. They messaged
Speaker 1: them and they were like, hey, guys, just looping back
Speaker 1: in with a The Life Uncut podcast again. I know
Speaker 1: we discussed them last year, but we didn't go ahead.
Speaker 1: They can be pretty funny. This is what I said.
Speaker 1: They can sometimes be pretty funny. Do you guys want
Speaker 1: to jump on board with them this time? And I
Speaker 1: was like, I need this to stop now before something happens.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want to please abort mission.
Speaker 1: I don't want to know what else you think of me.
Speaker 1: I wrote back, what do you mean sometimes I did it.
Speaker 1: I just wrote back really quickly and I was like, no, sorry,
Speaker 1: I went right back, and as I did, someone's obviously highlighted.
Speaker 1: Because there's about five people in this chat, someone's highlighted
Speaker 1: to the person. They figured out that I was still
Speaker 1: in the chat, so they started to write back to
Speaker 1: each other really positively about us, and then they were
Speaker 1: like and then they included me again. They're like, oh, Brittany,
Speaker 1: we'll have this discussion and get back to you. So
Speaker 1: someone's realized anyway, I never sponsored it.
Speaker 2: Man, this just makes me feel so uncomfortable. I'm sure
Speaker 2: this has happened to so many people where they've been
Speaker 2: accidentally included on an email. I'll never forget when I
Speaker 2: was a kid, and I wasn't a kid.
Speaker 1: I was in my twenties. That makes me feel like
Speaker 1: a kid. It was like a day ago. It was
Speaker 1: actually last week. A girlfriend of mine sent a group
Speaker 1: Facebook message. She meant to just reply to one person,
Speaker 1: but she brought back to the entire group and called
Speaker 1: somebody else in the group a lot of very colorful names.
Speaker 1: And I was just reading these messages coming through, like
Speaker 1: does she realize that she's sending this directly to our friend? Anyway,
Speaker 1: if you can get through a lifetime without this happening
Speaker 1: to you, you're better people than were. Okay, well, I
Speaker 1: have an accidentally unfiltered story which kind of goes off
Speaker 1: my story that I told earlier about like having an
Speaker 1: incorrect usage for a certain product. And this is also
Speaker 1: bad because she was quite old from the age of eighteen.
Speaker 1: There's also like your vibrator experience.
Speaker 2: Of me from the age of eighteen to twenty one,
Speaker 2: and I was using tampons incorrectly, So basically from the
Speaker 2: time that she started using tampon, ah, she was not
Speaker 2: using them correctly, very very incorrectly. As embarrassing as this
Speaker 2: is to admit, I would put the tampon in sideways,
Speaker 2: think like a hot dog style, with my labbia as
Speaker 2: the bums of the tampon over the hot dog. It
Speaker 2: was only when my boyfriend caught me wedging it in
Speaker 2: that he taught me the correct way to insert a tampon,
Speaker 2: emphasis on insert, not sliding it in sideways so embarrassing
Speaker 2: it would always leak. I would never understand why girls
Speaker 2: were always saying that tampons were better than pads. And
Speaker 2: it's took me a very important life lesson about never.
Speaker 1: Skipping the instruction manual. Could you imagine? Let me get
Speaker 1: this right. So when she wedged it in like a
Speaker 1: hot dog, use it between the LaBier. That means it
Speaker 1: wasn't even inside of her It was like it was
Speaker 1: loose in between on the outside. She was putting it
Speaker 1: in long way. Is it but inside or just or
Speaker 1: just on the bottom like a plug. No. I think
Speaker 1: she was like tucking it inside her labia, but doing
Speaker 1: it long ways, not obviously vertical, like she was putting
Speaker 1: it in landscape instead of putting it in portrait. That's
Speaker 1: why it was leaking. It wasn't even in there. How
Speaker 1: can you even walk around with that? No, it wasn't.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so funny.
Speaker 2: It was like, that was the most perfect description it was.
Speaker 2: It was the hot dog in a bun.
Speaker 1: That's how she was.
Speaker 3: Do you know that?
Speaker 1: Though this reminds me so much so, my sister growing
Speaker 1: up always thought, and we're talking about this the other day,
Speaker 1: that's why I read. When I read this, I was like,
Speaker 1: there has to be other people out there who have
Speaker 1: definitely used tampons or thought that they were used in
Speaker 1: a different way. My sister thought that when when you
Speaker 1: took the wrapper off them, that they unfolded into a pad. Oh,
Speaker 1: she just thought that they were wrapped up really tight
Speaker 1: into a tampon. But she didn't understand that you actually
Speaker 1: inserted it. She thought it must have just been a
Speaker 1: pad that expanded once you opened the packaging. So did
Speaker 1: she used to unravel it? Are you never asked pulling
Speaker 1: the insider up? No? I think by the time she
Speaker 1: got her period she figured it out purely because she
Speaker 1: was forced to. But no, there was a very long
Speaker 1: period of time there where she thought that tampons were
Speaker 1: actually just big vacuum sealed pads. Anyway, that is enough
Speaker 1: of that. Let's get in to the chat about overwhelm. Okay, So,
Speaker 1: for pretty obvious reasons, we wanted to do an episode
Speaker 1: on talking about the overwhelmed because I don't know about you.
Speaker 1: Actually I do know about you, Brittany. I don't know
Speaker 1: about the rest of you guys. But I think that
Speaker 1: this is just such a common state at the moment,
Speaker 1: the amount of people just subjectively that I'm friends with
Speaker 1: who are feeling incredibly overwhelmed. But also it just it
Speaker 1: seems to pop up so much in conversation, and I
Speaker 1: think that we've actually become accepting of it, like it's
Speaker 1: normal to just be perpetually overwhelmed. When we were.
Speaker 2: Unpacking this and thinking about like, okay, obviously it's a
Speaker 2: state that so many of us feel at the moment,
Speaker 2: I was thinking, what is my like, how do I
Speaker 2: feel about the overwhelmed? Like how do I feel when
Speaker 2: I'm in this constant state of like things are a
Speaker 2: little bit too much? And you know that meme that's
Speaker 2: going around at the moment, and.
Speaker 1: It's the girl who says, I do not have time
Speaker 1: for this, I do not have time for you, I
Speaker 1: do not have time for this, I do not have
Speaker 1: time for you. That is me. That is how I
Speaker 1: feel when I'm in a state of just being a
Speaker 1: fucking overwhelmed. I just want to.
Speaker 2: Push everything and everybody away and try and get through
Speaker 2: the to do list. But sometimes I think you have
Speaker 2: to have a bit more introspection and like realize, actually,
Speaker 2: it's not what everybody else is doing to you or
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 1: It's your inability to set good boundaries. It's probably the
Speaker 1: real problem here and now.
Speaker 2: Overwhelm is a little bit different to say burnout, because
Speaker 2: I think that like when you get to a point
Speaker 2: of being burnt out, you can usually identify that that's
Speaker 2: what's happening, and it's usually got a bit of a
Speaker 2: cause and effect. But I think the reason why overwhelmed
Speaker 2: can really creep in is because it doesn't necessarily have
Speaker 2: an end to it. It's just this feeling that is
Speaker 2: so compounding by all the small things that are happening
Speaker 2: in life and makes you feel very much like your
Speaker 2: life is completely out of control, but also that you
Speaker 2: don't have enough time or you don't have the ability
Speaker 2: to manage everything that's going on around you in a
Speaker 2: healthy way.
Speaker 1: I think an easy way to think about the difference
Speaker 1: with those two, Laura, is when you think of burnout,
Speaker 1: we can recognize it because usually you're like, I am exhausted,
Speaker 1: i am cooked, I'm done, I'm packing up shop, I'm
Speaker 1: zipping my tent up, and I am going to just
Speaker 1: take some time out. But the difference with overwhelm is
Speaker 1: that it's like burnout, but with an added layer. So
Speaker 1: it's burnout, but you add a mental layer, so instead
Speaker 1: of just feeling like physically run down, it's this emotional
Speaker 1: toll that it takes on you simultaneously, which is why
Speaker 1: I think it's so much worse, because you can feel
Speaker 1: overwhelmed without physically feeling burnt out. So I think this
Speaker 1: is a really good way to differentiate the two as well.
Speaker 2: But I also think with that like it can creep up.
Speaker 2: That's the thing we're feeling overwhelmed. It's the relentlessness of it,
Speaker 2: the relentlessness of the every day. And one of the
Speaker 2: reasons why we first thought we wanted to talk about
Speaker 2: this topic is purely because of how overwhelming the news
Speaker 2: cycle has been recently, and like with everything that's been
Speaker 2: happening in Ukraine, off the back of everything that's been
Speaker 2: happening with COVID, and then there's fucking.
Speaker 1: Japanese and ccephalitis is here.
Speaker 2: It just feels like there's always something that is so
Speaker 2: urgent and pressing and scary and that can be incredibly overwhelming. Now,
Speaker 2: the news is one part of this, and I think
Speaker 2: it's one part that we really wanted to recognize. However,
Speaker 2: I don't think that it's necessarily the main part or
Speaker 2: the only part. I think that we every single day
Speaker 2: are exposed to so many stresses, and there is this
Speaker 2: incredible data overwhelmed that we experience as well, where we
Speaker 2: are constantly on our phones, We're constantly being bombarded with
Speaker 2: emails or text messages or Instagram updates, and even when
Speaker 2: we're not being actively bombarded by it, we're passively being
Speaker 2: bombarded by it by simply consuming content. Now I did
Speaker 2: a little bit of a deep dive. This is what
Speaker 2: I came up with. There is three hundred and thirty
Speaker 2: three point five billion emails sent every single day, million
Speaker 2: photos and videos are shared on Instagram every day, and
Speaker 2: there are over two hundred million business profiles using Instagram
Speaker 2: every day, which just means when you think about two
Speaker 2: hundred million business profiles that just lends itself to the
Speaker 2: amount of advertising and marketing that we're being exposed to constantly,
Speaker 2: and there is no respite from that.
Speaker 1: So just a few days ago, Actually, this is funny
Speaker 1: that you say that. I had somebody email me that said, Hi, Brittany,
Speaker 1: just following up because I haven't I sent you an
Speaker 1: email two days ago. I haven't heard from you yet.
Speaker 1: I think maybe my emails are going to junk. That's
Speaker 1: what they said. And I wrote back and I said, oh, hi, look,
Speaker 1: incomplete transparency, I have two hundred and twenty one unread emails.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's in the junk. I probably have.
Speaker 1: I was like, I just haven't got to it yet
Speaker 1: or it's been lost that. I was just really honest.
Speaker 1: I was like, like, it's I mean maybe if it
Speaker 1: was seven weeks ago. I was like, I probably just
Speaker 1: haven't got it yet. I was like, do you want
Speaker 1: to just resend it to me? It wasn't in my junk.
Speaker 1: I just have seven thousand emails and this has happened
Speaker 1: to me before. Okay, that they lend itself to, like
Speaker 1: your level of organization, I feel like that is an
Speaker 1: excessive amount of emails, But don't you think it's interesting though?
Speaker 1: And we do, like I think that most people experience this,
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to emails. You might have a
Speaker 1: plan for your day, like you might have a to
Speaker 1: do list, you might have some organization that makes you
Speaker 1: feel like you've got some structure around what you need
Speaker 1: to achieve in a day. Then you open your emails
Speaker 1: and your emails are literally, when you think about it,
Speaker 1: they are somebody else dictating your to do list for
Speaker 1: the day. That is somebody else who's decided that their
Speaker 1: priorities need to be your priorities and they need to
Speaker 1: be done on their schedule. And we've created this culture
Speaker 1: where it's like people expect to get a reply to
Speaker 1: an email within twenty four hours. And if you're already overwhelmed,
Speaker 1: if you're already in this state of like, fuck, there
Speaker 1: is not enough hours in the day for me to
Speaker 1: be able to get through the entire mental load that
Speaker 1: I'm carrying. That adds to those feelings of I can't
Speaker 1: do anything. Well, yeah, and it's these day to day
Speaker 1: things that creep up on us. And we're going to
Speaker 1: get into it in a second as well, Laura, with
Speaker 1: other external sources like having children, d trying to get
Speaker 1: them to preschool so you can go and start your workday,
Speaker 1: so you can even open your emails with your seven
Speaker 1: thousand read emails. Everything in life at the moment, with
Speaker 1: the news on top of that, is contributing to this
Speaker 1: feeling of a lot of people feeling overwhelmed. And I
Speaker 1: had a look at the level of stress out of
Speaker 1: interest in the US at the moment, and I picked
Speaker 1: the US because it's such a large population. But nearly
Speaker 1: half of the US adults say that stress has negatively
Speaker 1: affected their behavior last year. So that was last year,
Speaker 1: and you know, statistics aren't out this year. It's early
Speaker 1: into the year. So fifty percent of people now a
Speaker 1: feeling like what's happening in their life is not only
Speaker 1: overwhelming but then has a negative impact on them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I guess like.
Speaker 2: The big thing with this like and in terms of
Speaker 2: like talking about overwhelm as a feeling when we talk
Speaker 2: about I think there's lots of different feelings in terms
Speaker 2: that get thrown around like stress, anxiety, burnout. We talk
Speaker 2: about these concepts a lot, but in terms of overwhelm,
Speaker 2: I think it is the relentlessness that really plays a
Speaker 2: massive part in this conversation, and it's the feeling like
Speaker 2: that there is no end in that makes people feel
Speaker 2: incredibly overwhelmed. I think, before we go any further, it's unpacked.
Speaker 2: There's actually some like real physiological triggers and some real
Speaker 2: physiological reactions that your body can have and that you
Speaker 2: have when you are incredibly overwhelmed. When you're at a
Speaker 2: point of just total saturation, your brain can't physically take
Speaker 2: on any more task or do any more. There's a
Speaker 2: feeling of like complete brain fog where you feel forgetful
Speaker 2: and you don't feel like you're across all the tasks
Speaker 2: that you have to have. You can also have visceral
Speaker 2: physical reactions to this, where you might feel sick, you
Speaker 2: might feel like internally anxious. It might affect your sleep
Speaker 2: or your ability to I mean, we all know what
Speaker 2: that's like. Where you're lying in bed at night time
Speaker 2: and you're thinking, oh fuck, I have to do my
Speaker 2: tax or thinking about the massive to do list, and
Speaker 2: so instead of just going to sleep and getting some
Speaker 2: productive time, you might even get up and go and
Speaker 2: answer the emails or answer whatever it is that's stopping
Speaker 2: you from being able to sleep. It's feeling like there's
Speaker 2: so many things to fit into a day and there's
Speaker 2: just physically not enough hours or you can't possibly take
Speaker 2: on anything else to care about. It also makes you,
Speaker 2: if you're in this state of overwhelm, it also makes
Speaker 2: you really quick to be frustrated with people. I think
Speaker 2: I know personally, whenever I'm at that capacity, if somebody
Speaker 2: is taking too long, or if they're doing something which
Speaker 2: is going to impact my time and my day, my
Speaker 2: reaction to that, like my feelings of frustration and annoyance
Speaker 2: are a lot more severe than what they should be,
Speaker 2: because all I'm thinking is like, how am I going
Speaker 2: to get through everything else I've still got to do today.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, Laura, because this is something that's been going
Speaker 1: on for a long time, but Harvard researchers have actually
Speaker 1: come up with a name that has to do with
Speaker 1: COVID and the pandemic and lockdowns. They've called it pandemic brain.
Speaker 1: Now this is from Harvard, so you've got to believe it.
Speaker 1: It's called pandemic brain, and it's a phenomenon observed in
Speaker 1: people that have come out of this extensive lockdown, where
Speaker 1: stress induced neuroinflammation can actually been seeing on the brain
Speaker 1: and it's caused fatigue and lots of concentration and mood changes.
Speaker 1: So people now that are going through this and experience,
Speaker 1: I think that it helps a little bit to be
Speaker 1: able to tie it to oh, Okay, this is actually
Speaker 1: something that there's a reason I'm feeling like this, and
Speaker 1: maybe I can start to work towards it. I'm going
Speaker 1: to talk about things later on that you can do
Speaker 1: when you are feeling like this. But for me, my
Speaker 1: response and I often go through periods of overwhelmed. But
Speaker 1: I think a couple of days ago, Laura, you are
Speaker 1: going to remember this, but I think this is a
Speaker 1: prime example of what happens to me when I'm very
Speaker 1: overwhelmed and I'm feeling higher levels of stress and emotions
Speaker 1: and everything else. I my emotions are like I cry
Speaker 1: at the drop of a hat, where I'm not usually crying.
Speaker 1: And I've talked about this in the past, but it
Speaker 1: was last week. Laura and Mitch and Keisha, so all
Speaker 1: of our radio crew they were encouraging me to get
Speaker 1: back into the dating scene, and they were like, hey,
Speaker 1: why don't you download well some of the dating apps
Speaker 1: and get back on there. And I just within two
Speaker 1: seconds in front of everyone, I started crying. I was
Speaker 1: crying at the thought of going back onto a dating app,
Speaker 1: but that was tied to the feeling of overwhelmed because
Speaker 1: there was so much stress and pressure in my life
Speaker 1: that I can't even fathom right now how I'm feeling
Speaker 1: getting back into the dating life and the feeling of
Speaker 1: how do I have time. I remember thinking to myself,
Speaker 1: I don't even whether I'm emotionally ready right now. I
Speaker 1: don't even I was like, how do I find the
Speaker 1: time to sit there, create a profile, start scrolling, starting
Speaker 1: from scratching again going on these initial dates. I was like,
Speaker 1: then you go on a date and it doesn't work out,
Speaker 1: and you've wasted that time that I could be doing
Speaker 1: something else. And I got myself into this such a
Speaker 1: headspin and everyone you all just looked at me. You
Speaker 1: were like, whoa, BRIT's okay. We just said why don't
Speaker 1: you download NAP? And I started crying, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what is wrong with me?
Speaker 2: But I guess it's because when you're in that stage,
Speaker 2: and when you're already overwhelmed, you're not thinking about the
Speaker 2: one thing that's been proposed. You're not thinking about oh, Okay, well,
Speaker 2: it's just it's just downloading an app and going for
Speaker 2: a flick. You're thinking about all the other aspects of that.
Speaker 2: You're thinking about, well, what does then that mean and
Speaker 2: then how does that lead into the next thing. So
Speaker 2: you're actually looking at like the really big picture. And
Speaker 2: I think it's the big fucking picture that becomes so overwhelming.
Speaker 2: The other part of this which is so important to
Speaker 2: touch on, and it's really like, in everything that I
Speaker 2: deep dived in conversations around overwhelmed, it was the one
Speaker 2: thing that kept coming back as being just so prevalent
Speaker 2: throughout all the research, and that is parenting. And I
Speaker 2: think for anyone who is a mum, or if we
Speaker 2: have dads listening as well, the relentlessness of parenting is
Speaker 2: a huge contributing factor to people feeling overwhelmed. And I
Speaker 2: think one of the big reasons for that is because
Speaker 2: there's no switching off. Of course, you have to be grateful,
Speaker 2: and we feel so grateful. And it's almost like any
Speaker 2: time as a parent you complain about being a parent,
Speaker 2: you also then have to have the caveat of like, oh,
Speaker 2: but I really love my kids. Of course, you fucking
Speaker 2: love your kids. We all love our kids, but the
Speaker 2: feeling that you are on from the minute that you
Speaker 2: wake up until the minute you go to bed, and
Speaker 2: the fact that you also don't necessarily have control over
Speaker 2: your day because like, well, what if they get sick
Speaker 2: or what if all of a sudden daycare cause and
Speaker 2: you've got to go pick them up, and you know,
Speaker 2: the schedule gets thrown out of whack because these tiny
Speaker 2: little people are so wild and uncontra controllable and dependent. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and just when you think you've got things down pat,
Speaker 2: and just when you think you might have some plan
Speaker 2: or some structure that makes you feel in control of
Speaker 2: your life, shit just goes out the window again. And
Speaker 2: so I think a big portion of this conversation around
Speaker 2: overwhelm actually comes down to control and how we feel
Speaker 2: like we have such a huge lack of control in
Speaker 2: our lives. And then that and the lack of control
Speaker 2: and the lack of being able to do anything is
Speaker 2: also why the news is such a huge part of this,
Speaker 2: because with everything that's going on in the news at
Speaker 2: the moment, we feel like we can't do anything, We
Speaker 2: feel like we can't help, and it's the hopelessness, it's
Speaker 2: the helplessness.
Speaker 1: That's incredibly overwhelming. Yeah, and look, we're going to get
Speaker 1: into our chat with Sam from The Daily Ols pretty soon,
Speaker 1: and in that I talk a little bit about something
Speaker 1: that I personally do and I can't really stop myself
Speaker 1: from doing it, and that is something that is called
Speaker 1: doom scrolling. It's this idea that you don't get pleasure
Speaker 1: from reading about horrible things at all, because I absolutely
Speaker 1: do not, But I'm just so obsessed with knowing what
Speaker 1: is happening in the world that I can't stop. And
Speaker 1: then I get into this rabbit warrant. So some people
Speaker 1: can read the news on a surface level something so
Speaker 1: for example, it could be something horrific like what's happening
Speaker 1: in Ukraine right now, they read on a surface level
Speaker 1: and they get what they need and they can stop.
Speaker 1: But there are a bunch of people, myself included, that
Speaker 1: need to know more and it's so upsetting. And the
Speaker 1: further I go and the more I read, the more
Speaker 1: stress I'm getting, the more upset I'm getting. I'm just
Speaker 1: addicted and I can't stop, and it's it's detrimental in hindsight,
Speaker 1: because then I'm you know, screwed for the rest of
Speaker 1: the day.
Speaker 2: But don't you think it comes down to us and
Speaker 2: not that it's all Obviously there's lots of loads of
Speaker 2: really bad things that are happening, But like, the headlines
Speaker 2: are so they're so dramatic, it's so sensationalized, it's so urgent,
Speaker 2: and every time you get on and you do read
Speaker 2: the news or you see certain news sources, I think
Speaker 2: it's like the crazy urgency of just how dire straits
Speaker 2: everything is, and we're so negatively geared. It's a psychological
Speaker 2: defense mechanism. We're so in tune with reading negative and
Speaker 2: new news, and we want to read negative news because
Speaker 2: kind of like helps us cope in a weird way
Speaker 2: where we're like, well, now that we know what's happening,
Speaker 2: we feel like we have some.
Speaker 1: Protection to it.
Speaker 2: Why don't we seek out positive news in the same way,
Speaker 2: or why does positive news not get clicks on websites
Speaker 2: but negative news does well? So most of the time,
Speaker 2: I would agree with you that in life in general,
Speaker 2: news headlines are sensationalized and dramatic at the moment.
Speaker 1: I disagree. I think that unfortunately, at the moment they're
Speaker 1: not sensationalized. A lot of the headings are what they are,
Speaker 1: and you click into it and the articles actually worse
Speaker 1: than the heading, but that is because of what the
Speaker 1: world's going through at the moment, is you know, something
Speaker 1: we haven't been through in a very long time. But
Speaker 1: I was talking about this with my family last night.
Speaker 1: We had a big debate around the dinner table, and
Speaker 1: I really loved that. And I hope that this conversation
Speaker 1: today ignites other conversations. But unfortunately, because I follow I
Speaker 1: don't know if you follow them, Laura, but you guys,
Speaker 1: if you follow me on Instagram, you might see I
Speaker 1: post them to my stories A lot of the time.
Speaker 1: They're called good News Movement. It's purely just an Instagram
Speaker 1: site that posts really fucking good things, like really happy things,
Speaker 1: really positive things, really cute things. They're amazing and it
Speaker 1: makes you feel so good, like I'll watch it and
Speaker 1: I feel so happy that I want to share it
Speaker 1: with other people. But there have been plenty of these
Speaker 1: sites that have said, yeah, look, we don't get the
Speaker 1: clicks that the Doomsday News gets. We definitely don't, but
Speaker 1: it's not about that. It's just about providing people with
Speaker 1: a bit of an outlet. So we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about coping mechanisms at the end, but right now, in
Speaker 1: this moment, I can tell you that that is something really,
Speaker 1: really great that I do myself to try and balance
Speaker 1: what we just said about reading this perpetual wave of
Speaker 1: really traumatic news.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I fully agree with you. The only thing that
Speaker 2: I think in terms of like the news cycle, and
Speaker 2: when I say that it's sensationalized, I don't mean that
Speaker 2: there's not horrendous and hideous things that are happening in
Speaker 2: the news. I guess it's also the unrelenting nature, like
Speaker 2: there is a new news article, it's not just one
Speaker 2: publication that covers one bad thing, it's everywhere. That that's
Speaker 2: why there has to be some choices about dipping in
Speaker 2: and dipping out. And now we do cover this with Sam,
Speaker 2: and it's really important. We think it is absolutely critical
Speaker 2: that we all are linked in to the news, that
Speaker 2: we all know what's happening in the world, that we
Speaker 2: take some level of responsibility. But it's also important to
Speaker 2: take care of yourself at the same time.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I want to get into the chat now
Speaker 1: with Sam from the Daily OS. So if you don't
Speaker 1: know what the Daily OS is, it's an Instagram page.
Speaker 1: It's also now a newsletter, a website and a podcast,
Speaker 1: but it offers young Australians and around the world now
Speaker 1: but it's Australian base, a digestible and super engaging way
Speaker 1: for them to consume news now, Sam tells us. So
Speaker 1: it's run by Sam and Zaras. They tell us that
Speaker 1: the reason they started this Instagram page at the start
Speaker 1: was for this exact reason. They were like, there was
Speaker 1: no way to consume the news in a really concise
Speaker 1: and precise manner. There were hundreds of articles on everything.
Speaker 1: It was all is this true? Is this factual? Is
Speaker 1: this too much? I've had enough of reading this. It's
Speaker 1: too traumatic. They saw an opening to say, hey, young
Speaker 1: people want to stay up to date, but they don't
Speaker 1: want this perpetual feeling of being dragged down and this
Speaker 1: perpetual feeling of overwhelmed. Now, their Instagram grew very rapidly.
Speaker 1: They have over three hundred and thirty thousand followers now.
Speaker 1: And I actually got on board with them quite early
Speaker 1: on because for that exact reason. I was young, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I want to know what's happening in
Speaker 1: the world. I want it really quick, I want it
Speaker 1: in one place that I know I can go to
Speaker 1: and I can trust that what I'm consuming is factual,
Speaker 1: because that is something else we need to speak about.
Speaker 1: How do we know what we're consuming is in factual?
Speaker 1: There's so much misinformation out there. So when we decided
Speaker 1: to talk about this, we thought, what a brilliant person
Speaker 1: to get on the podcast to talk about the feeling
Speaker 1: of being overwhelmed by things like the news. Then someone
Speaker 1: that literally spends all day, every day, all night consuming
Speaker 1: news around the world. So we've got Sam on Sam.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Life Uncut. Thanks having me guys, Sam, I
Speaker 1: want to hit you with hard questions. First, we're stoked
Speaker 1: to have you here. But with a name Sam because Losskiar.
Speaker 1: Does anyone ever think you're related to monsters?
Speaker 3: Inc?
Speaker 1: All the time?
Speaker 3: And I'm going to give you one guess in my
Speaker 3: dad's name, literally one guess, and if you get it,
Speaker 3: you in one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 1: I need a.
Speaker 3: Mike. It is, it is, it is. It's a lot
Speaker 3: better looking than the monster's in character. That's good for him,
Speaker 3: But no going through school with that last name, and
Speaker 3: especially with my dad with first name Mike, it was
Speaker 3: a real honor and I'm now no longer scated monsters.
Speaker 3: Truly a character building, truly Sam Kay at school as
Speaker 3: they used to call me.
Speaker 1: So Sam. A lot of people might know you, not
Speaker 1: necessarily you, but they might know your podcast and your
Speaker 1: new site, your Instagram. You are one half of the
Speaker 1: Daily Oz. Now you might forget, but you slid into
Speaker 1: my DMS when you started, and you asked me to
Speaker 1: help promote your site. And now I feel like I
Speaker 1: need to ask you to promote mine because you've overtaken me.
Speaker 1: You're so big. The Daily OLS is so incredible. It's
Speaker 1: definitely my go to news site. Just give us a
Speaker 1: little bit of a background on you and how you
Speaker 1: got there and how the Daily Ols came to be.
Speaker 3: Firstly, Britain would love to help you out, so just
Speaker 3: shout out out. The alias is basically our way of
Speaker 3: trying to make the news accessible on Instagram because the
Speaker 3: news is very complicated, it's very scary, and there's actually
Speaker 3: not a real way for you to engage with the
Speaker 3: news if you haven't grown up with it and you
Speaker 3: don't have some degree in economics or politics. And we
Speaker 3: didn't think that was okay, and we didn't think that
Speaker 3: you should be able to not have access for free,
Speaker 3: especially to news that really really matters, And the best
Speaker 3: way to talk to people is where they're already at.
Speaker 3: So if you know, if everyone was still sticking around
Speaker 3: on Facebook, that's where we would have done the daily ohs.
Speaker 3: But people, our friends, our mates were on Instagram, and
Speaker 3: that's where we wanted to do it. So when I
Speaker 3: think when we slid into your DMS, our whole point
Speaker 3: at that stage of our journey was like, we need
Speaker 3: to get this as far and wide as we can,
Speaker 3: because everyone who follows us loves it. We just need
Speaker 3: to have people get to know us. And now we
Speaker 3: got three hundred and thirty thousand.
Speaker 1: How many people do you have engaging with your website?
Speaker 1: Are engaging not just through Instagram, but do you know
Speaker 1: how many people having, like on a monthly overview, engaging
Speaker 1: with the news that you.
Speaker 3: Guys are creating between Instagram, newsletter, podcast, video, we have
Speaker 3: like almost three million people a month.
Speaker 1: Insane and that growth happens so quickly, and I guess
Speaker 1: that shows you how much need there was in the world.
Speaker 1: Because I remember when I didn't know you, and obviously
Speaker 1: it was used to you trying to get the daily
Speaker 1: olls out to people. I remember you saying, can you
Speaker 1: please help us get to one hundred thousand followers, and
Speaker 1: then you blinked and I and you're at over three
Speaker 1: hundred thousand. So it goes to show you where we
Speaker 1: all are in the world. And I know for me,
Speaker 1: I'm an avid newsreader, but I would wake up every
Speaker 1: morning and I would scroll every news site. And I
Speaker 1: was even as a teenager, I used to I was
Speaker 1: a bit of a sicko. I loved the bad news.
Speaker 1: But I don't know why, but I've always wanted one place,
Speaker 1: and that's why when I saw your site, I was like,
Speaker 1: this is fucking brilliant. It's like and this is why
Speaker 1: it's grown so quickly because everything you could possibly want
Speaker 1: is in two scrolls.
Speaker 3: And you know what's weird is that it wasn't done before.
Speaker 3: Like it doesn't to be that complicated of an idea.
Speaker 3: We really just go, Okay, there's a thousand words on
Speaker 3: this topic. What are the hundred words that somebody needs
Speaker 3: to know if they've got three minutes. And I'm a
Speaker 3: bit surprised that it hasn't been done more. But we
Speaker 3: seem to be doing really well, and I think It
Speaker 3: shows that young people actually give a shit. Young people
Speaker 3: aren't dumb, and that's really important for us to remember.
Speaker 1: But it also reinforces this idea that like we want
Speaker 1: short and sharp content, you know, like the new generation
Speaker 1: have been conditioned in a way that the content that
Speaker 1: we're consuming is X amount of words. And I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say that it's an overall attention span thing, but like
Speaker 1: we consume a lot more content in a very short
Speaker 1: period of time. Now, the topic that we're talking about,
Speaker 1: and this whole episode is focused around overwhelmed. Feeling overwhelmed
Speaker 1: comes in many, many different ways. And I read something
Speaker 1: that you said recently. You said I usually browse perhaps
Speaker 1: twenty or thirty news sites, and I spend.
Speaker 2: Literally all day on Twitter. I am never not keeping
Speaker 2: an eye on what's trending, breaking or being debated. When
Speaker 2: you run a news platform that primarily uses Instagram as
Speaker 2: a media channel, can you ever actually switch off from that?
Speaker 3: Totally? Never? And that frustrates my girlfriend, and it frustrates
Speaker 3: the people around me, and the way that I view
Speaker 3: it is I just need to be the front line
Speaker 3: to make everyone else be able to switch off, and
Speaker 3: I'm kind of happy to do that for a few years,
Speaker 3: and Zara and I really, honestly, I know that sounds
Speaker 3: kind of like we're, you know, masters, but we really
Speaker 3: are happy to be kind of the people who filter
Speaker 3: through what you need because it's not for everyone. But
Speaker 3: it is almost impossible because you don't know when something's
Speaker 3: going to change so quickly. I mean like even if
Speaker 3: we prepare a whole piece the next day, the whole
Speaker 3: situation could be totally different, and that's news.
Speaker 1: So how does that work for you?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 1: Do you have twenty news sites you've said twenty to thirty.
Speaker 1: Do you have alerts on for those sites? Do you?
Speaker 1: Or do you just have to consciously yourself every hour
Speaker 1: log on, scroll, have a read, see what's relevant.
Speaker 3: Well, now we have a phenomenal team of journalists, so
Speaker 3: now it's a lot easy.
Speaker 1: I need to brag. You've got a huge team. Okay,
Speaker 1: we get it.
Speaker 3: Look, the media empire is growing and it's not just
Speaker 3: Zara and I now having to cover everything. But we still,
Speaker 3: funnily enough, we still literally just sit there, like I'll
Speaker 3: go home and watch an hour of news before bed,
Speaker 3: even though I pretty much know what they're going to say.
Speaker 2: Does it because overwhelming like, I mean, for somebody who
Speaker 2: doesn't have that option, who can't just switch off and
Speaker 2: be like cool, I'm going to have a social media
Speaker 2: detox cleansed this weekend. How do you deal with those feelings?
Speaker 2: And is that something that you have experienced in the
Speaker 2: last couple of years.
Speaker 3: I think there's kind of two different elements here that
Speaker 3: are playing around. There's the feeling of overwhelm, and there's
Speaker 3: a feeling of desensitized. And desensitized is that sense of
Speaker 3: like you read something really, really terrible that's happened, and
Speaker 3: you don't really feel anything, and you feel a sense
Speaker 3: of kind of, well, well, I've almost read something worse.
Speaker 3: You were saying when you used to read the news,
Speaker 3: like you were chasing the morbid stuff. It means that
Speaker 3: we kind of build this catalog in our head of
Speaker 3: what's the most morbid thing we've ever read. In like
Speaker 3: news theory, a lot of people use nine to eleven
Speaker 3: as they're like reference point, and so if something isn't
Speaker 3: as dramatic as nine to eleven, then well it's kind
Speaker 3: of just you know, it's only a flood, it's only
Speaker 3: a hurricane, it's only a double murder. All of that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff which is wild, super wild to the
Speaker 3: overwhelmed point, totally, totally, and we see big dips in
Speaker 3: our engagement when things get too much. And so one
Speaker 3: of the posts I'm the most proud of ever is
Speaker 3: when we as a news company said, hey, audience of
Speaker 3: two hundred thousand or whatever it was at the time,
Speaker 3: we think you should take the weekend off. We think
Speaker 3: you should say enough news for now. We'll let you
Speaker 3: know if there's anything super important, but you need to
Speaker 3: take some steps back because it's too much. And I
Speaker 3: think we're in that spot right now. Actually, like there
Speaker 3: is a lot happening.
Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, if it's not
Speaker 1: something like nine to eleven, I know there is a
Speaker 1: lot going on in the world. At the end of
Speaker 1: the day, the same news is still going to be
Speaker 1: there in two days. I think a lot of us
Speaker 1: in the world are desensitized now. And I'm going to
Speaker 1: use the example of the word terrorism. Terrorism back at
Speaker 1: nine to eleven. Back in those days, it stopped the world.
Speaker 1: Every single person knew about it. Everyone was petrified, and
Speaker 1: that's where the word terrorism comes from. It incites terror.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is just me now, but
Speaker 1: it's almost like now I hear of a terrorist attack
Speaker 1: and it just doesn't have the same effect. It doesn't
Speaker 1: really stop people in their tracks anymore, like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this happened. It's horrific, but it doesn't have the same
Speaker 1: impact that it once did. And that's because I think
Speaker 1: we're desensitized. There's so much of it, it's so available.
Speaker 3: And that's the point. There's too much of it, so
Speaker 3: it's a twenty four hour news cycle. When nine to
Speaker 3: eleven happened, that was the first world event where there
Speaker 3: was like rolling coverage, And that was the first world
Speaker 3: event where people actually sat in front of a television.
Speaker 3: I was six and I remember turning on ABC News
Speaker 3: when it was meant to be ABC for kids before
Speaker 3: school and sitting there for two hours before my parents
Speaker 3: realized I was there watching this thing. And now everything
Speaker 3: has rolling coverage. I mean, like, I saw a thing
Speaker 3: that beginning of COVID, CNN were doing like a case
Speaker 3: toll in the bottom right hand corner, which was like
Speaker 3: ticking over as the cases were accumulating, like for COVID,
Speaker 3: for COVID, Like that's a wild kind of sense of
Speaker 3: momentum that.
Speaker 1: You feel while I was going to say that is
Speaker 1: like that's the word, you know, we talk about. You're
Speaker 1: using the example of terrorism, but I think like the
Speaker 1: more like recent one is the word COVID. At the beginning,
Speaker 1: we were too petrified to leave the house, and now
Speaker 1: we're like, oh god, no one even looks at the
Speaker 1: daily tolls anymore or where. And I feel like the
Speaker 1: other part that you touched on there in talking about
Speaker 1: being desensitized, do you think that there's different parts to
Speaker 1: it in that. I guess like we're desensitized to like
Speaker 1: the volume all the facts, almost, but I don't think
Speaker 1: that we're desensitized to the humanizing stories. And it's almost
Speaker 1: like sometimes the new cycle or the media has to
Speaker 1: like really find those harrowing individual stories and that's where
Speaker 1: the empathy cuts through. That's where it really hits you
Speaker 1: at home.
Speaker 2: And I think about what's happening in Ukraine at the moment,
Speaker 2: and it's all been a lot of information, but the
Speaker 2: one story that's cut through was the bombing of the
Speaker 2: maternity ward and the woman and the baby who died,
Speaker 2: and it was that singular story. I think that's what's
Speaker 2: really cut through everybody's empathy, fatigue, and feelings of like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's happening, but you know, I can't do anything about it,
Speaker 2: and now there is universal outrage around it.
Speaker 3: And let's like break that down and think about why
Speaker 3: that's the case. Is because we're all human beings and
Speaker 3: our psychology means that we relate to people. We don't
Speaker 3: relate to stories as much or situations we relate to
Speaker 3: other human beings. And you know, there's lots of things
Speaker 3: that come into this, but human stories are you know,
Speaker 3: the most successful posts that we had as my successful
Speaker 3: I mean traffic, not successful as in positive, but the
Speaker 3: most successful post we had during COVID was stories of
Speaker 3: how hard it was for nurses, and it was quotes
Speaker 3: from nurses, and that kind of thing meant so much
Speaker 3: more to our audience than just, you know, some big
Speaker 3: policy announcement or some definition of what the close contact
Speaker 3: was and all that kind of stuff. It's news is
Speaker 3: people's lives. We're reporting on real human beings.
Speaker 1: I was having a conversation with my sister just a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago, and I sent a podcast to
Speaker 1: hear to listen to on what's happening in Ukraine right now?
Speaker 1: And I said, isn't it crazy that we're all given
Speaker 1: the facts, we read the news, we know what's happening.
Speaker 1: But I listened to the New York Times as the daily.
Speaker 1: I listened to that and they were actually interviewing people
Speaker 1: from Ukraine that were living in the subways, that were
Speaker 1: trying to get over the water. And the second I
Speaker 1: heard their voice from living in that situation, I was
Speaker 1: in tears, and I said to share it. And all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's like, you know what's happening, and
Speaker 1: you feel sorry for them. But when you hear someone's story,
Speaker 1: and I think we found the same thing with the
Speaker 1: floods here in Australia, the second you hear someone's their
Speaker 1: real plight, their real story, their sacrifice, what they're going through,
Speaker 1: it intensified that for me one hundred times over. We
Speaker 1: are incredibly privileged that we are able to turn the
Speaker 1: news off when we are overwhelmed. What are your.
Speaker 2: Perspectives on this, On the debate of the privilege that
Speaker 2: we have to be able to turn off the news
Speaker 2: and to be able to disassociate with something that makes
Speaker 2: us feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: It's both fair and not fair to say I'm too
Speaker 3: overwhelmed with the news right now in Sydney, Australia or
Speaker 3: wherever you are in the country, and I just need
Speaker 3: it to go away. It's fair from the perspective of
Speaker 3: it should never be a matter of somebody's got it
Speaker 3: worse over there, and we have really serious problems in
Speaker 3: our own lives, and whether that be mental health or
Speaker 3: financial struggles or you know, existential questions about climate that
Speaker 3: we're thinking about that day. That doesn't invalidate your problems.
Speaker 3: The fact that you need to take a step back
Speaker 3: from a seriously demanding news cycle. I'm not just talking
Speaker 3: about like I've been doing this for quite a while now.
Speaker 3: This is a particularly shit time, Like this is like
Speaker 3: worst of the worst at the moment, So it's no
Speaker 3: surprise at all that people want to switch off. On
Speaker 3: the other hand, putting it head in the sand and
Speaker 3: not thinking about the things that's happening in the world
Speaker 3: around you can also be a sense of ignorance. We
Speaker 3: know there's a very thin line between privilege and ignorance
Speaker 3: and all that kind of thing. I think a lot
Speaker 3: of people are switching off at the moment with Ukraine
Speaker 3: in particular because they feel helpless and that sense of
Speaker 3: like like even with the floods, there was a sense
Speaker 3: still that although we couldn't do anything there, and then
Speaker 3: for the people whose houses were in danger, we could
Speaker 3: donate money and we could kind of activate on social
Speaker 3: media and we could put pressure on government. The Ukraine
Speaker 3: situation feels totally out of control, and yes, you can
Speaker 3: donate money and all that kind of thing, but it
Speaker 3: feels so damn huge that I'm not surprised that people
Speaker 3: are switching off. I think the important thing for people
Speaker 3: who are feeling overwhelmed by the news and are having
Speaker 3: this battle about privilege is to think of it as
Speaker 3: a scale. You don't need to read the news sixteen
Speaker 3: times a day. You can check in once a day
Speaker 3: with the news and be okay with the fact that
Speaker 3: that update's going to last you twenty four hours. So
Speaker 3: if we approach this privilege debate as like a bit
Speaker 3: more of not just black and white, but like somewhere
Speaker 3: in the middle, and honestly, that's what we're trying to
Speaker 3: do at the Daily OS is like, if you're trying
Speaker 3: to read only five minutes a day of news, let
Speaker 3: us help you with that. But it doesn't need to
Speaker 3: be switching on or switching off, it can be somewhere
Speaker 3: in the middle.
Speaker 1: And I think that's a really good point to make,
Speaker 1: is that I think there is a balance between the
Speaker 1: privilege of switching off and staying up to date. But
Speaker 1: I think what it is is you can choose the level.
Speaker 1: So maybe you say today, I'm not going to worry
Speaker 1: about COVID, I'm going to deal with that next week.
Speaker 1: I'll just find out what's happening in the Ukraine, or
Speaker 1: vice versa, or for a prime example is if you
Speaker 1: guys are feeling overwhelmed by the news, but you do
Speaker 1: want to stay up to date because you do care.
Speaker 1: Sites like yours are so great because you can read
Speaker 1: a headline, you can get some facts. You don't have
Speaker 1: to go and listen to somebody that's going through it.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I you don't have to go to
Speaker 1: that level, you have to go to that depth. So
Speaker 1: there are ways, I guess for you to manage your woman,
Speaker 1: manage to stress in the fatigue, and.
Speaker 3: Now our coverage could very well still overwhelm you. I
Speaker 3: have one other tip though, if you're feeling super super
Speaker 3: overwhelmed about the news and you still want to be
Speaker 3: feeling like you're on top of the news and being informed.
Speaker 3: Go and look up Stephen Colbert on YouTube and watch
Speaker 3: him make fun of the news for ten minutes a day,
Speaker 3: because he'll actually tell you how satire. Yeah. He stands
Speaker 3: up at the beginning of his late night TV show
Speaker 3: in America, which is watched by millions of people, and
Speaker 3: he says things like how bloody stupid is putin He's
Speaker 3: done this, this, and this wrong, And he actually portrays
Speaker 3: what you need to know in the information, but he
Speaker 3: kind of makes light of it. But he makes that
Speaker 3: in such a nice way that he's using humor as
Speaker 3: a management tool for the dire situation. And sometimes I
Speaker 3: find that unbelievably helpful. Honestly, if I could be anyone
Speaker 3: in the world, would be him. Like the joy of
Speaker 3: delivering news, making people laugh and informed is like the dream.
Speaker 1: So have you ever today where you're like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to do this today, I do not want to
Speaker 1: look at the news, I don't want to turn my
Speaker 1: phone and I want to throw it in a lake.
Speaker 1: Have you ever felt that? But you just have to
Speaker 1: force your way through it.
Speaker 3: I have felt that. And Zara and I are really
Speaker 3: open with each other about when we need the other
Speaker 3: person to take a bit more of the weight there.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's like when one of you guys don't
Speaker 3: feel like recording a podcast, you kind of lean on
Speaker 3: the other one and say, I need you to lead this. All.
Speaker 1: I know we love it all the time, no, but
Speaker 1: I mean, like so Laura and I and I think
Speaker 1: this might be something that a lot of our listeners
Speaker 1: don't realize. And this is not a complaint because we
Speaker 1: love it so much, but there are some times where
Speaker 1: we'll go to each other and if there have been
Speaker 1: two hundred ask gun cuts coming in so people write
Speaker 1: their questions or their problems, if there have been like
Speaker 1: weeks and weeks and weeks of really really hard ones
Speaker 1: and we're writing back to these people. Sometimes we end
Speaker 1: up being a therapist to a lot of people, and
Speaker 1: we love it. We want to help everyone. But sometimes
Speaker 1: we'll be like, I need to tap out of socials
Speaker 1: for a couple of days because like for exactly that
Speaker 1: I'm so overwhelmed right now. Oh and I just need
Speaker 1: to take a breather. So it's definitely something that we
Speaker 1: feel for sure. And you do you sort of pass
Speaker 1: about in a bit, and I guess.
Speaker 2: It depends on who you are as an individual person,
Speaker 2: like what's your level of like deep empathy and how
Speaker 2: you respond to information. Some people are more hugely affected
Speaker 2: by other people's stories than others, you know. I think
Speaker 2: that there's a scale of this as to how we
Speaker 2: feel overwhelmed or how.
Speaker 1: We receive that.
Speaker 2: But I definitely think at this time there is a
Speaker 2: lot of it going on, and there is a lot
Speaker 2: of feelings around the general conversations that I hear of
Speaker 2: people being like I have so much anxiety.
Speaker 1: It's like, of course you have anxiety. It's because of
Speaker 1: the state of the fucking world. Yeah, that's why you
Speaker 1: have anxiety.
Speaker 3: And we're sitting here going there's like an invasion happening,
Speaker 3: and COVID numbers are scaling again, and then like all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, there's killer mosquitos.
Speaker 1: The other data I think. I sent it to you guys,
Speaker 1: and I said, would you believe that now Japanese and
Speaker 1: cephalitis has made its way to mosquitos here in New
Speaker 1: South Wales And it tells you not to go camping.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is that?
Speaker 3: Which is not like, honestly, we didn't need that in
Speaker 3: the news cycle. We're doing fine, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: I changed the coming, go back, get out of here.
Speaker 3: But that that was actually a moment where I didn't
Speaker 3: like fully switch off because I was a bit curious
Speaker 3: about killing mosquitos, but I was sick. I was like,
Speaker 3: hang on a minute, like this is just getting a
Speaker 3: bit ridiculous now, like let's just take this.
Speaker 1: Time, like Jumonji is. He thinks it's all better, and
Speaker 1: then someone else scrawls out the window. The world is
Speaker 1: sashire at the moment. Almost like when I read about
Speaker 1: the killer mosquitos, which was only in the last two weeks,
Speaker 1: I didn't have the shock. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: there's another killer thing. But it wasn't shocking. I was
Speaker 1: more just like adding it to the list of things
Speaker 1: to be careful of. I will go get some mosquito repellent.
Speaker 3: And that's why sometimes I actually am uncomfortable with people saying, oh,
Speaker 3: that wasn't on my twenty twenty two bingo card with
Speaker 3: some things that are like properly traumatic and very very
Speaker 3: serious issues, because like that's like kind of to the
Speaker 3: privileged point, like well, hang on, we can't predict when
Speaker 3: there's going to be terrible things. No one wants there
Speaker 3: to be terrible things, like, of course it wasn't in
Speaker 3: anyone's plan of the year.
Speaker 1: Do you think that could to make light of it?
Speaker 2: Sometimes that's just going to say, do you do you
Speaker 2: think it comes back down to that whole feeling of like, well,
Speaker 2: when everything's so doomed, A lot of people deal with
Speaker 2: like the shitty times with humor.
Speaker 1: Yea, that is one.
Speaker 3: It's being human. It's being human.
Speaker 1: It's a one hundred percent of management skill. And like,
Speaker 1: I don't do that necessarily with those things, but I
Speaker 1: know that I manage all kinds of stress and awkward
Speaker 1: situations and uncomfortable situations with humor as well. And I
Speaker 1: think we sometimes see a lot of people go too
Speaker 1: far and they miss the mark online and then they
Speaker 1: get torn to shreds. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: like you just said, no one wants thees bad things happening.
Speaker 1: We all just manage things in a different way.
Speaker 3: And so the challenge for us is how do we
Speaker 3: stay positive, how do we stay mentally healthy? How do
Speaker 3: we not get overwhelmed but also stay informed? And I'm
Speaker 3: going to like hold firm on that point about staying informed.
Speaker 3: I don't actually believe it's good to just switch off entirely.
Speaker 3: I think you can do it in moderation.
Speaker 2: For somebody who's reporting the news, there's obviously an incredible
Speaker 2: amount of pressure one to make sure that it's accurate,
Speaker 2: that you're well researched, but also that you're delivering it
Speaker 2: in a way that the people that you're delivering it
Speaker 2: to are able to digest it, and you're not putting
Speaker 2: in your own per personal flavor of like your opinions.
Speaker 2: How do you do that in a very objective way
Speaker 2: without becoming emotionally invested in the information that you're presenting.
Speaker 3: The first way to answer that is that we get
Speaker 3: it wrong all the time. Great because we do too, Like,
Speaker 3: like almost daily we get it wrong, and that's because
Speaker 3: our mission is to try and do it objectively, which
Speaker 3: is unbelievable. It's so much easier to write with your
Speaker 3: opinion and just to say, like, whatever you want to say,
Speaker 3: but that's not what we think we can add value.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you're strongly disagreeing with what you're typing, but
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I just need to get it out
Speaker 1: of there. Facts.
Speaker 3: No, And the other way that we try and keep
Speaker 3: objective is let people talk for themselves. So let's say
Speaker 3: our Prime minister says something controversial about women hypothetically, then
Speaker 3: he hasn't done that. No, we'll let the comment and
Speaker 3: the quote be there for itself. We don't need to
Speaker 3: add color and flavor and like readers can figure it out.
Speaker 3: And that's a really powerful tool, is saying so and
Speaker 3: so said this, so and so said that. That's all
Speaker 3: you needn't know. Yeah, And actually, just like that is
Speaker 3: it's route that's news. News is just this is what's happened.
Speaker 3: Not necessarily this is why it's happened, this is what
Speaker 3: it means, but just this is what's happened. And that
Speaker 3: for a lot of our readers is like if they're
Speaker 3: not reading a heap and heap and heap of like
Speaker 3: commentary and all that kind of stuff, that's actually what
Speaker 3: they need.
Speaker 1: This is a super boring question everyone, but I think
Speaker 1: it's so important. I think news validity and making sure
Speaker 1: you are not getting misinformation because there is a lot
Speaker 1: out there and Laura and I have been on the
Speaker 1: wrong end of that stick before over the last couple
Speaker 1: of years when we've done our own research and maybe
Speaker 1: we've pulled something from a site that we thought was accurate,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't. And I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: have that. There's so much misinformation circulating about everything. How
Speaker 1: do you decide what is a worthy, trustworthy news site?
Speaker 1: And do you have one or two that are your
Speaker 1: go to that you know are really reliable.
Speaker 3: The way that we decide whether a news site is
Speaker 3: reliable is purely based on their reputation and their form.
Speaker 3: So like, let's take the New York Times for example, Like,
Speaker 3: these guys are just never wrong.
Speaker 1: Okay, great, because that's who I go to so.
Speaker 3: Amazing, They're phenomenal. And often the ones that are never
Speaker 3: wrong are also the ones with the most money, and
Speaker 3: because they can hire them fact checkers and editors and
Speaker 3: sub editors and proofers and like crazy amounts of resources.
Speaker 3: But you kind of get a sense of like, these
Speaker 3: are the guys who if they say it and they
Speaker 3: can show you like how they've confirmed it, they're on
Speaker 3: the money. There's a really interesting part of the news
Speaker 3: that not many people know about, and that's called news
Speaker 3: wires and news services and the whole idea there is
Speaker 3: like let's say you're a newspaper in Sydney and you
Speaker 3: don't have the money to send somebody to Ukraine right now,
Speaker 3: but you still want to report on Ukraine, you can
Speaker 3: actually subscribe to these global services that send a reporter
Speaker 3: that all these news publications can use that report. So
Speaker 3: that's what the Daily OS does, except with photography. So
Speaker 3: obviously we don't have the resources to send the photographer
Speaker 3: even to the floods in northern New South Wales, but
Speaker 3: we subscribe to a service called AAP, Australian Associated Press,
Speaker 3: and they send the photographer. And now that's why you
Speaker 3: kind of see the same photos and all these news sites,
Speaker 3: but the result of them is that they're always really good.
Speaker 3: So if the Newswires say it, if the New York
Speaker 3: Times say it, then you can start thinking like this
Speaker 3: is really happening. What you don't want to do is
Speaker 3: take news off a tweet.
Speaker 1: Or daily take daily mail. Sam, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for coming on the podcast and for sharing your insight.
Speaker 1: I think that pleasure guys. It's very much a reflection
Speaker 1: of where we're at in the world at the moment,
Speaker 1: and then talking about the overwhelm is something that's so
Speaker 1: relevant to so many people. So we truly appreciate your
Speaker 1: perspective on this. You keep finding the good fight, Sam,
Speaker 1: I will.
Speaker 3: I'll keep doing all the hard work so that everyone
Speaker 3: feels calm, so that we don't have to do that. Yes,
Speaker 3: it's going to be okay everyone.
Speaker 2: And can you share for everybody where they can find
Speaker 2: you on Instagram?
Speaker 3: Have a look at us on Instagram at the Daily
Speaker 3: oz a US. It's where both of you guys get
Speaker 3: you on news.
Speaker 1: It is actually Hue. I love it. Thanks there see
Speaker 1: you guys. I think it's so great in this conversation
Speaker 1: to have been able to speak to someone like you said, Britt,
Speaker 1: who literally cannot switch off from the news, and like
Speaker 1: you know, we mentioned this at the beginning. Overwhelmed is
Speaker 1: not just something that is dictated by what's happening in
Speaker 1: the news cycle. It is absolutely prevalent for so many reasons.
Speaker 1: And I think it is the bombardment of data and
Speaker 1: the bombardment of us increasingly taking on more and more
Speaker 1: work and feeling more and more stressed, and putting ourselves
Speaker 1: into this position where it's the lack of control of
Speaker 1: our own lives that leaves us feeling totally overwhelmed and
Speaker 1: totally above our heads. I think it would be really helpful.
Speaker 2: To talk about some of the ways to cope with this,
Speaker 2: because when you're in it, it often feels like, well,
Speaker 2: there's no way out, and that's why we can have
Speaker 2: these really strong adverse reactions to it. Why we feel
Speaker 2: like we can't get sleep, why we feel like we're
Speaker 2: quick to anger, or one of the research studies that
Speaker 2: I read, which this goes back to twenty fifteen, but
Speaker 2: there was a research study that was conducted for parents
Speaker 2: and for mums. A thousand working mums were surveyed and
Speaker 2: the study said that one in four working mums will
Speaker 2: cry at least once a week because of how overwhelmed
Speaker 2: they feel by the amount of work and the toll
Speaker 2: that being a working mum takes on them. So, like
Speaker 2: we said, it presents itself in so many different ways,
Speaker 2: from so many different factors of life. But how do
Speaker 2: you fix it and what do you do?
Speaker 1: I mean, we can talk about what to do and
Speaker 1: how to fix it, but I want it to be
Speaker 1: really well known here that it is easier than done
Speaker 1: a lot of the time. So obviously one of the
Speaker 1: main things that they say you can do, especially this
Speaker 1: is harder if you haven't run your own business, but
Speaker 1: in terms of work, so let's focus on WorkFirst, not
Speaker 1: with the little kiddies. In terms of work, it's about
Speaker 1: trying to set some work times for yourself, So saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: my workday will be whether it's five o'clock, six o'clock,
Speaker 1: seven pm. It's to set that time for yourself and
Speaker 1: try to stick to it. Now. I have tried to
Speaker 1: do that before, I really have. But I think the
Speaker 1: problem is, and this is probably more when you run
Speaker 1: your own business or if you take your work home.
Speaker 1: So when I was working in an emergency department, very
Speaker 1: high levels of stress, exhausting, NonStop. But the second I
Speaker 1: walked out that door, I didn't take my work home.
Speaker 1: There was no capacity for me to take my work home.
Speaker 1: My patients are left there. So for me, it was
Speaker 1: really easy. I walked out the door of the hospital
Speaker 1: and it was done. But since having my own businesses,
Speaker 1: I try to switch off. I'm like, yep, switch off
Speaker 1: at seven pm. But then I have this feeling of well,
Speaker 1: it's still going to be there to do it tomorrow.
Speaker 1: No one else is going to do it, so I
Speaker 1: may as well keep on churning through it because I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I could have the night off, but I'm going to
Speaker 1: wake up at seven am and the same amount is
Speaker 1: going to be there plus some. So you just keep going.
Speaker 1: And sometimes I'm emailing clients. They've written back to me
Speaker 1: being like, why are you emailing me at one am?
Speaker 1: Because I'm like, oh, I just you know, I just
Speaker 1: happened to be on my computer. But for me, it's
Speaker 1: just going to accumulate. So that's something that I need
Speaker 1: to work on.
Speaker 2: There's this old adage as well, which is like you
Speaker 2: quit your nine to five to work twenty four to seven.
Speaker 2: I think that a lot of people who run their
Speaker 2: own businesses can totally relate to that sort of mentality.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so off the back of that, it comes
Speaker 1: down to, Okay, are you in a position where maybe
Speaker 1: you can delegate better? These are just questions you need
Speaker 1: to ask yourself. Are you doing work that somebody else
Speaker 1: maybe that works for you, could be doing, maybe a
Speaker 1: family member could be helping you. Is there any way
Speaker 1: you can you can delegate? Or you've been a perfectionist
Speaker 1: where you need to oversee everything. So these are questions
Speaker 1: you can ask yourself moving forward. But at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, if you can't switch off. Because you
Speaker 1: have that level of work, you have to find some
Speaker 1: other things that you can integrate into your life. So
Speaker 1: maybe that is meditation, maybe that is a YO class
Speaker 1: or some level of exercise. I can't stress this enough.
Speaker 1: Speaking of stress, it doesn't matter how busy you are.
Speaker 1: Incorporating thirty minutes to one hour of exercise a date
Speaker 1: is known to decrease of stress levels and personally it
Speaker 1: is so beneficial. So even when I run off my feet,
Speaker 1: I will like slap my laptop down and I will
Speaker 1: just go for a walk, get some vitamin D, get
Speaker 1: some fresh air, get some steps, and come back and
Speaker 1: I always feel better. So if you can't delegate and
Speaker 1: you can't do anything about the level of emails you've got,
Speaker 1: there are other little things you can put into your life.
Speaker 2: It feels completely counterintuitive, like I think, like when you
Speaker 2: say that, just make more time for it. It's like when
Speaker 2: some stress and they're like, just be less stress. But
Speaker 2: it truly is the case. The problem with when you
Speaker 2: get to that entire oversaturation that comes with being overwhelmed,
Speaker 2: you feel like everything is breaking down. But I guess
Speaker 2: one of the things that I read which I really
Speaker 2: loved and something that I've tried to implement in my
Speaker 2: own life is like, it's not a breakdown of your life,
Speaker 2: Like your life is not falling to shit, but your
Speaker 2: thought patterns are the way that you perceive your life
Speaker 2: is falling to shit, and that's probably where you need
Speaker 2: to start. The other thing, as well, is is that
Speaker 2: you might think that you don't have time to do anything,
Speaker 2: or to get anything done, or to be able to
Speaker 2: dedicate yourself to like getting through this task, as in,
Speaker 2: like you might not have time to go and exercise
Speaker 2: because the fucking the to do list is so long
Speaker 2: that you're already drowning. So you're like, I can't take
Speaker 2: an hour out for myself. But the problem is is
Speaker 2: like when we get to that level of oversaturation, we
Speaker 2: are doing all of these tasks at half capacity. We're
Speaker 2: so easily distracted, We're so easily to procrastinate because actually
Speaker 2: getting stuck into it is incredibly overwhelming. At the same time,
Speaker 2: it's this perpetual cycle that feeds into itself. Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can often go for the walk or the exercise
Speaker 2: and come back and you think you've wasted half an hour,
Speaker 2: but you're going to work more efficiently after that, so
Speaker 2: you're going to make up that time. All of these
Speaker 2: things have to be attacked in different ways. You can't
Speaker 2: just switch off from parenting, you know, you can't just
Speaker 2: say go for a for.
Speaker 1: Hawk, so I'm done, I'm locking you in your room.
Speaker 1: The kids will be fine.
Speaker 2: And that's why I think that parents are such a
Speaker 2: specific type. It's such a specific type of overwhelm. And
Speaker 2: that's where asking for help is so fucking important. Making
Speaker 2: sure you have the village around you, making sure you
Speaker 2: have the support systems so that when you aren't coping,
Speaker 2: there's somebody out there who can actually take a bit
Speaker 2: of the slack and give you that personal time to
Speaker 2: be able to get on top of your own thoughts.
Speaker 1: You can also look on your phone, so maybe you
Speaker 1: think you're not spending that much time scrolling on Instagram
Speaker 1: or doing mindless tasks on your phone. You can look
Speaker 1: on your phone, look at your screen time. Has it
Speaker 1: increased this week? How many hours are you spending If
Speaker 1: you know that your work is based ninety percent on
Speaker 1: your computer, and you'll phone comes back and cause you'll
Speaker 1: probably be surprised. Your phone might come back saying you
Speaker 1: spent four hours on there, that day. You can do
Speaker 1: things like you can put time caps. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people that do. It's on their Instagram, so
Speaker 1: some people put twenty minutes and then it kicks them off.
Speaker 1: You can do that. There aren't things you can if
Speaker 1: you are so obsessed with it that you can't control yourself.
Speaker 1: But you have no self control, there are so many
Speaker 1: things in place to help you. Maybe if maybe you
Speaker 1: put your phone in another room for an hour, if
Speaker 1: you don't need it, if you're trying at the moment
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do a new job on my computer,
Speaker 1: you can put your phone away in another room. Because
Speaker 1: I am the worst for it too. I will be
Speaker 1: in amongst my emails. Sometimes I'll stop in the middle
Speaker 1: of an email and without even knowing, and I'll be
Speaker 1: on Instagram and I'm like, what do I do? What?
Speaker 1: Isn't it crazy? You just pick it up? I think
Speaker 1: if we actually had like more awareness around how we
Speaker 1: subconsciously use these things, Like it's so easy to be distracted.
Speaker 2: I was doing it last night when I was prepping
Speaker 2: for this. I was literally three quarters of the way through.
Speaker 1: Prepping this this fucking podcast record, and then I was like,
Speaker 1: why am I watching a meme of a cat licking
Speaker 1: a dog, Like, what am I doing that? That's what happens.
Speaker 1: I think it was only last week when we were
Speaker 1: just about to start an episode record and you were like,
Speaker 1: I've just got to quickly do this last bit of
Speaker 1: prep and I was like, yeah, no worries. And I
Speaker 1: looked over and I was like, Laura, you're on Instagram
Speaker 1: and you didn't even know how I got You were like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how I got here, because it's like
Speaker 1: it's subconscious. You're like, I'll do one quick swipe again
Speaker 1: before I get into my work, so we don't even
Speaker 1: realize we're doing it. But jump on your phone, have
Speaker 1: look at your screen time, have look at your Instagram time.
Speaker 1: And it's definitely something that I think we can all
Speaker 1: think about and.
Speaker 2: Do a little bit better reassessing what is it that
Speaker 2: makes you happy in life? How can you kind of
Speaker 2: call back a bit of you time and be really,
Speaker 2: like we said, be really really conscious of what it
Speaker 2: is that you're consuming, of what it is that you're
Speaker 2: putting your energy and your time into, and putting those
Speaker 2: boundaries in place to say no, all right, guys, it
Speaker 2: is time for our suck and our suite, our highlight
Speaker 2: and our low light of each and every week. Britt,
Speaker 2: do you want to kick it off or do you
Speaker 2: want me to?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I can kick it off all right. My suck is
Speaker 1: that I can watch my parents' house. And I brought
Speaker 1: to Lilah. Now, my parents have two dogs and a cat,
Speaker 1: a cat named George. Now I'm not a cat person,
Speaker 1: but Delilah has never met a cat. Delilah doesn't know
Speaker 1: what cats are. She's never seen them. She's just a
Speaker 1: city's looking dog that goes to the beach and comes home.
Speaker 1: She's never been around them. Anyway. She last night, I
Speaker 1: could hear a kerfuffle and I came out of my room.
Speaker 1: I'm talking like two am, and she was chasing this
Speaker 1: poor cat around the house and I didn't know what
Speaker 1: she's going to do with him once she got to him.
Speaker 1: So I ended up having to take George the cat
Speaker 1: and put him in my room so that Delilah couldn't
Speaker 1: be around him all night. And he literally I didn't
Speaker 1: know this because I've never really had a cat. He
Speaker 1: slept on my head the whole night. So that was
Speaker 1: what my night was. And I was like, why do
Speaker 1: people get cats if they sleep on your face all night.
Speaker 1: I was like, I couldn't work it out. I'm like,
Speaker 1: is this normal cat behavior?
Speaker 2: I have seen what your dog has done to a
Speaker 2: pair of shoes, so I'm glad that you went and
Speaker 2: savage the cat. But also, yes, this is what cats do.
Speaker 2: That's why if you have a newborn baby and you
Speaker 2: have a cat, they say that you have to keep
Speaker 2: the cat away because the cats can go and sleep
Speaker 2: on their faces and suffocate them because they're warm, so
Speaker 2: they just want to be on you and around you,
Speaker 2: like in your personal space.
Speaker 1: Oh you really brought that down quickly, Laura. That would
Speaker 1: have been a real suck. But anyway, what is your
Speaker 1: suite for the week? My sweet is that my niece
Speaker 1: and nephew, like my brother's little kids, are here and
Speaker 1: I haven't seen them in a long time, and we've
Speaker 1: just had the most beautiful time getting ice cream, getting dinner.
Speaker 1: I gave them both five dollar note and they just
Speaker 1: thought I was the best thing in the world. I'm
Speaker 1: definitely buying their love. So that's a trick of the trade.
Speaker 1: If you haven't seen your nephews in a while. Nieces
Speaker 1: and nephews given them some money, but it's just been
Speaker 1: really nice to have some family time.
Speaker 2: Who do you think is like the crazy auntie? Do
Speaker 2: you get to be the crazy auntie or they think
Speaker 2: that you're like the normal auntie, the cool auntie.
Speaker 1: So it was so funny because Sherry and Jay were
Speaker 1: arriving about the same time. They were driving from Queensland.
Speaker 1: I was driving from Sydney put McQuary's in the middle,
Speaker 1: so we left at the same time. But when they
Speaker 1: pulled up, they told me, they were like, damn it,
Speaker 1: Britney's already here. She's already going to be buying their
Speaker 1: love because she's going to make them love, because that's
Speaker 1: what we do. We all compete for the children's love.
Speaker 1: So they were like, damn it, she's she's definitely going
Speaker 1: to give them money. She's going to have already bought
Speaker 1: them my ice creams, so they love her more than
Speaker 1: they love them. And it was true. And they walked in,
Speaker 1: She's like, what have you given them so far? It's
Speaker 1: like we I've given them five dollars, I've given them chocolate.
Speaker 1: She's like, damn, there's nothing left for me. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're bribing them with five dollars Molly's way to love
Speaker 1: her is like you just give her. You give her
Speaker 1: a gold coin. It's like she's like a little magpie.
Speaker 1: She just wants like a gold coin donation. And she
Speaker 1: has a little collection of gold coins that she carries
Speaker 1: around in a little cup or whatever it is. She
Speaker 1: was I was like, Mummy, I need some more money.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, me too. Pixies five, she knows
Speaker 1: that gold coin doesn't get you fire anymore.
Speaker 2: Okay, my sweet for the week is, Oh, my suck.
Speaker 2: My suck is that you know when you spend all
Speaker 2: fucking day cleaning and you think you're like, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: have a deep clean day, and then the deep clean
Speaker 2: day just makes you really angry for no reason, just
Speaker 2: because you had to clean your own apartment.
Speaker 1: That was my suck. Well, it's not for no reason.
Speaker 1: You spent the whole day cleaning. Yeah, but cleaning just
Speaker 1: makes me mad.
Speaker 2: So we spent all of Sunday pretty much cleaning, and
Speaker 2: then I felt really residually mad after the whole thing.
Speaker 1: So that was my suck.
Speaker 2: And also the other part of the suck is like
Speaker 2: every time we actually clean, I never feel like the
Speaker 2: house is clear, Like we clean and then instantly it
Speaker 2: is equally as messy as what it was before we
Speaker 2: even started, Like I can never tell the difference.
Speaker 1: So that is my suck. My sweep for the week
Speaker 1: is kid related. Lola took her first steps this week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was at daycare, so I didn't see. I didn't
Speaker 1: even see her very first steps.
Speaker 2: She was at daycare, but she basically was like holding
Speaker 2: on to the little play equipment and then she just
Speaker 2: like motored across the room. She just walked the length
Speaker 2: of the daycare, none of this like one step, two
Speaker 2: step fucking around.
Speaker 1: She was out of there.
Speaker 2: And then when I went to pick her up from daycare,
Speaker 2: just ran a marathon.
Speaker 1: She went zeroed around. She literally probably already known how
Speaker 1: to do it for a while, but she's so lazy
Speaker 1: that she's like I don't need to walk anywhere. Someone's
Speaker 1: going to carry me.
Speaker 2: And then I got to daycare and the woman from
Speaker 2: daycare was like holding her hands.
Speaker 1: And she was like, they go walk to mummy, and she.
Speaker 2: Just cruised across the room and walked me and it
Speaker 2: was the best thing ever. So although I'm a terrible
Speaker 2: mum because I missed her first steps, so now she's walking.
Speaker 1: So now Lola is walking.
Speaker 2: You are not a terrible mama, I know, but you
Speaker 2: always get this gilt right like you. Of course you
Speaker 2: have to send them to daycare because it's just part
Speaker 2: and parcel of literally living life and getting stuff done.
Speaker 2: But then on the flip side of it, you miss
Speaker 2: these milestones and you think you get the guilt. I
Speaker 2: think every mom who kind of misses those milestones gets
Speaker 2: guilt for it.
Speaker 1: Well, that is it, guys. I can't wait to see
Speaker 1: a walk. I'm gonna I'm gonna go for a little
Speaker 1: run with it. When when does they run? Things has
Speaker 1: happened now that they were.
Speaker 2: She did it once and now she's like cool, I
Speaker 2: know I can do it, and I'm not interested.
Speaker 1: She's that a crawling. She's literally regressed in the space
Speaker 1: a week. But anyway, guys, that is it from us.
Speaker 1: We hope that you enjoyed the episode. We hope that
Speaker 1: you learned something. If you're feeling like you are in
Speaker 1: a state of perpetual overwhelm at the moment, know that
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