WEBVTT - When it's all too much - The Overwhelm 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:05.280 Life Uncut podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians of country throughout 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:09.080 Australia and their connections to land, sea and community. We 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:11.959 pay our respect to their elders past and present and 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:15.360 extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait islander 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:16.120 peoples today. 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.560 This episode is recorded on Gadigal Land of the Aurora Nation. 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:43.080 Hey guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut. 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:47.080 I'm Brittany and this is our fifth attempt deadn intro. Look. 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:49.479 Today is not off to a flying star, but it 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:51.839 can only go onwards enough woods from here, let me 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:55.320 tell you that. Also, I kind of feel like we've 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:57.800 gone back to twenty twenty one because instead of ask 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:00.880 Britt and I being together in the same room gazing 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:03.600 into each other's eyes, Brita is currently in Port McQuary 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:06.840 and we are recording this via zoom, just like the 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:10.399 old days. Yeah, it is very similar to twenty twenty 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:13.240 one in terms of yep, it's long distance. That's where 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:15.480 we're doing the record. We're in different locations, but that's 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:17.720 where the similarities end. Law, I am not overseas with 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:20.480 a lover, you know. I am in Port McQuary. Well, like, 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:22.759 we can't even laugh about this, Well we are. It's 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:26.039 been a long, hard, full famiing Port McQuary just for 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:29.400 not even forty eight hours. Actually, I ducked up to 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:32.200 see my family because my family is still in Port McQuary. 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:34.319 I hadn't seen my nieces and nephews in a little while. 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:37.280 My sister Sherry decided to come down from the Gold Coast, 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:39.960 so we sort of met halfway, so very last minute, 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.679 with about four hours notice. It's probably the most spontaneous 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:44.360 thing I've done in a while. Packed up a bag 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:46.560 and threw Douila in the back of the car and 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:48.920 off we went up the coast. I have a story 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:52.520 for you that will make you feel slightly better. Okay, 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:55.240 this is good, We're getting back on track. Okay, So, 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:58.480 do you remember how we went to that women's day 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:02.040 lunch recently and we were given a goodie bag? I mean, yes, 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:03.840 we do very little, so I remember it well. It 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:05.920 was about two weeks ago, so we were given a 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:07.840 goodie bag at this woman's Day lunch and one of 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:10.760 the things that was in the goodie bag was a vibrator. 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:13.200 There was so many nice things and now that we're 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:17.359 living in this sexually inclusive world where you know, women's 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:20.840 sexuality is being more celebrated. Part of the International Women's 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:23.800 Day goodie bag was a vibrator. Now, I have said 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:25.959 on this podcast before I have never owned a vibrator. 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.160 This was news to me. I was very excited. Oh 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.600 my god, you used it. I was gonna give the girl, well, yeah, look, 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:38.000 I tried be try. How does one try? Like? What 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:41.040 could have possibly gone wrong? In the moment you opened 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:45.120 it to activation? I was by myself. I got it 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.760 out and I was like, it's too big. How does 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:55.040 one use this? It's too fucking big. You tried to 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:58.160 use it in the packaging. I tried to use the 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:03.480 fucking case, everybody, not the vibrator that's inside. I meant 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:06.720 to be fair. It looks pretty nice and it's soft 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:09.160 and very smooth. So you tried to put the whole, 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:11.280 like the whole case in inside you. Look, I didn't 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:17.280 get very far. I was that's just walked in. That's 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:19.560 just walked in his head. Do you want to join 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:22.040 in on this conversation? I was gonna say, this is 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:22.840 not great for Matt. 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:23.760 Goodness me, I. 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:29.320 Can only dream of being this side, Laura, did it 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.280 actually how far in did it get? Well? No, not 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:37.440 very far at all. Where was I What was I doing? 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.240 I don't know, You're probably out the kids. No. I 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:43.280 just was like I wonder, I wonder what that would 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:44.920 and then I was like, no, that's way too big. 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:47.920 And it wasn't until I heard something rattling around inside 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:52.240 that I realized, actually, the vibrators inside the packaging, and 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:54.560 you shouldn't stick the whole packaging inside yourself. But did 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:58.040 you not think that the key word here is vibrator? 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:01.720 So how did you think that was to vibrate? Laura? 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:04.360 I'm so confused. Look, there was a fatal flaw in this. 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:06.520 I told you I had never used one before, and 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:09.080 I know that I don't know. It seemed like a 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:12.280 very penis shape. The packaging is extremely peni shaped. It's 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:16.240 pink everything about it. Matt's in the background holding it. Now. Fuck, 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:18.280 it's like, I might go try this out. Can we 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:20.719 get rid of it? Please? It's making me feel very inadequate. 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:23.080 But wait, when you look at what it actually when 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:24.640 you look at what it actually looks like, that should 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:27.240 make you feel a little bit less inadequate. Still, inadequate, 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:29.160 get rid of it. She's like, still like things going 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:32.039 in the bin. I love that you did that, and 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:33.919 that you had no idea, and that also you didn't 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.480 put two and two together with the word vibrator and 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.280 how you would press on when it's in its packaging. Well, 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.000 I mean, look, I did realize pretty early on in 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.240 the piece. I realized, But then I also figured out 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:46.040 that it wasn't charged. You've got a charge of this thing. 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.240 It's got like a USB port and everything. It's got 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:52.599 a hue big your girls getting sexually explorative. I'm trying, 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:54.320 but it didn't go to plan. You could do some 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:56.800 work at the same time. You got like a little 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:58.960 simcon in there. You can just pop it in, charge 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.240 it up, do you work. You can multitime. Yeah. That 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:04.320 was my little, accidentally unfiltered story, was that I really tried. 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:06.160 So what happened by the time you figured it out? 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:07.440 You just gave up and be like, fuck, I can't 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:10.000 be bothered anymore? Like how long were you trying to 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:13.800 figure this out for? Well, surprisingly, I wasn't that aroused anymore. Look, 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.480 the moment had come, the moment had gone, and then 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:18.400 I was like, this is really cutting into my ability 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:20.080 to just go to sleep, so I might just do 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:21.880 that instead. The moment had come and that was the 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:25.320 only thing that came. Yeah, cute, Okay, love that fear. Well, 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:26.680 you're gonna have to try again soon. 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.480 You can't just give up because you couldn't figure it out. 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:31.039 My new thing, though, is is like, now that Matt 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:32.560 knows about it, I'm gonna have to use this as 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:33.240 a couple's tool. 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:33.720 You know. 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:36.040 I can't just be like, sorry, Matt once again, I've 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:37.920 had a good old time and didn't include you in it. 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:40.000 I mean, you don't have to, but sure, why not 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:42.240 if especially if you haven't used it before, why not 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:44.040 ask him to use it? There you go, Laura, the 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:46.400 report back next week. Maybe we'll do that, and then 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.320 before you've got some homework for the week, I want 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:54.160 to hear about your experiences next week. I really considered 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:55.920 whether to share this story or not, and I was like, 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:59.560 do I sacrifice my dignity for content? Do we have 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.120 any lets? That is the question. Let's move on. Let's 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:04.440 just move on from my story. Like I said, let's 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:05.920 talk about what the episode's about. 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:08.520 Okay, So the episode that we're doing today is something 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:12.440 I think everybody in this current climate is experiencing to 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:17.040 various degrees, and that is we're talking about the overwhelm. Now, 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:20.560 feelings of overwhelmed can creep in in many different areas 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:20.920 of life. 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.919 I know that as a mum. It is a conversation 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:27.080 that I have literally on repeat with all of my 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:30.159 friends who are mums, how overwhelmed they feel from just 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:33.719 the surmounting pressures not just around parenting, but around work. 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:37.160 And then we're also unpacking what it is like at 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.279 the moment in terms of the news and how the 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:43.520 news is just this We're constantly being bombarded with the 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:47.000 urgency and the desperation and the dire straits of the world, 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.920 and how that's all contributing to this feeling of being 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:54.800 wildly and incredibly overwhelmed. Yeah. I don't really know of 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.040 anyone at the moment, like anyone in my life that 0:06:57.120 --> 0:07:00.159 I ever speak to that I say, hey, how are you? 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.359 Every response is oh, just so busy or so stressed, 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:05.839 I've got so much on or there is a lot 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:08.120 of external sources at the moment that are causing a 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:10.760 lot of people's stress. And exactly that the word overwhelmed 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.640 and just last week I was at the dog park 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:15.320 and I was talking to the other dog mums, because 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:16.880 that's what we do. I guess it's the equivalent of 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.840 when you take your kids to the playground. We're talking 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:21.200 to all the other dog mums and one of them 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:23.640 just said, I've turned the news off. I can't watch 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:25.880 it anymore. It's too overwhelming. She's I don't want to 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:27.680 know about it anymore. Every time I turn it on, 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.440 all I can hear is you know all these depressive things. 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:34.120 And I just thought to myself, that is really really true. 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.960 But what's the answer. Is the answer to turn the 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:38.960 news off is the answer to shut the world out. 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:40.880 So Lauraen and I had a discussion about it, and 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.560 we thought, this is a really great episode because everyone 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:45.520 in our life, everyone we know right now, has the 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:47.520 same feeling of stress and overwhelmed. So it's a really 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:49.720 good one. And we speak to Sam from The Daily 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:51.680 Oas a lot of you might know The Daily Os 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:55.040 if you don't, it's a really great Instagram site that 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:58.440 presents the most important parts of the news every single day. 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:00.000 We've been big fans of them for a long time. 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:03.320 So the man behind the account, Sam, he actually joins 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:06.120 us in the episode to really nut out what it 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.080 is about the news that can be overwhelming and what 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:09.840 we can do about it when we do feel like 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:11.320 it's starting to become too much. 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:13.680 Yeah, as well, and then unpacking there's a few other 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:15.520 parts of this which I think are really important, because 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:17.840 it's one thing for us to sit here and be like, oh, 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:20.800 we're so overwhelmed by the news. How about being the 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:23.320 people who are in the news, Like life is very 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:25.040 very hard for a lot of people at the moment, 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.040 and it's a privilege to be able to just turn 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:28.920 the news off and not care about what's going on 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.680 in the world. So we do unpack that, and then 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:34.760 also touch on this idea of what is doom scrolling, 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:39.920 so like being perpetually bombarded by data, being perpetually bombarded 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:43.200 by content, and what impact that has on our ability 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:45.480 to want to be happy, but also what impact that 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:48.000 has on our feelings of anxiety, on our feelings of stress, 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:50.920 on our feelings of overwhelm, and how all these things 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:52.920 contribute and factor in together. 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:56.560 Speaking of overwhelm, this is a nice little segue into 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:58.360 a story I want to tell you about about a 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:02.720 man in the US name Simon Jackson. Now, Simon Jackson 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:06.160 lives in Seattle, which, after some googling, is definitely in 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:08.680 I think the top ten most expensive cities to live in, 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:10.840 top ten, top fifteen. Can't don't quote me, we'll look 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:15.199 it up. Well. Simon Jackson decided to really capitalize on 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:19.200 the COVID situation and everyone emptying their offices and working 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:22.880 from home situations. So his office decided to send everyone 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:25.920 home like everyone else did, so his offices were empty. 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:29.640 Now he decided, I see an opportunity here. I am 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:34.120 going to stop paying rent in my ridiculously overpriced apartment 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.080 in my ridiculously overpriced city, and I'm going to move 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:40.559 into my office cubicle, not an office, an office cubicle, 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:43.040 and live rent free. So he packed up his apartment 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:44.560 and moved into his office. 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.080 I'm envisiting one of these cube farms, like a literal 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:51.000 open and open planned office. So you sit adjacent to somebody, 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:54.200 how would you fit your stuff in? And also where 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:55.640 did you even find this? 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:59.640 This is on lad Bible. This is where all the 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:02.400 hard hit facts come from. It's a real low braw article. Everybody, 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:04.480 This is exactly right. It's one of these, like you 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:06.439 know it's a big it's picture a whole floor of 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:08.400 an office that's all open, and you just have those 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:10.920 little cubicles so it's not glassed off. There's no doors, 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.760 there's nothing. It's just like that tiny scream, like a 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:15.920 divider that comes up to your nipples, and then you've 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:16.480 got your desk. 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.120 The moment the workday finishes, most people are careening out 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:22.480 of the office, let alone trying to pretend like you're 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:24.640 leaving the office to then stay there and come back 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:25.240 for the night time. 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:27.360 Well, he puts all he's like his little office straws. 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:29.959 He takes his clothes, so that's his cupboard, so he puts. 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:32.559 He's put his clothes in his office straws. He's got 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:34.520 a sleeping bag. He just sleeps on the floor like 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:37.520 it's a full camp set up in his office. But 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:40.680 he's like, bingo, I will just live for free. There's 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:43.200 no commute. We can do my work. But for some reason, 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:45.480 actually not for some reason, it's just what our generation does. 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:47.560 He thought it would be a brilliant idea not to 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.120 just move in, but to TikTok the whole thing, to 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:53.320 document the whole thing and upload it to social media. 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:56.160 Because our generation can't fart without recording it, so that's 0:10:56.160 --> 0:11:01.600 what he's done. It's generated thirteen million in view, so 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:02.600 it's gone viral. 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:05.640 If you were to do this and not tell anyone, 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:07.360 you could probably get away with it for a very, 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:08.160 very long time. 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:09.960 The man's never going to be a spy. He's never 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:12.040 gonna be the FI. He moved in and he put 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:15.040 it up thirteen million views, and of course one of 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:17.520 those views was his boss. So how long did he 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:19.720 live in his own cubicle four? I don't think it 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:23.320 was very long. I think it happened really quickly and 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:25.800 he got the sack. His boss called him and was like, bro, 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:29.520 I've seen that you're living in the office, because there 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:31.439 were thirteen million people who have seen that. You're fired. 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:33.559 So he kicked him out. Well, he's pretty much like, 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:35.240 you want to move out and he can keep your 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:37.600 job while you fight. And the guy's like, well, I'm 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:43.400 famous now on TikTok, so I quit. He described the 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:45.960 stunt as a bit of a protest. This is his quote. 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:47.600 It's a bit of a protest, and it was aimed 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.360 at drawing attention to the difficulty of affording an apartment 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:54.520 in Seattle on his current salary. So I guess I 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:55.840 don't know if that's what he set out to do, 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:57.079 because I don't think he thought he was going to 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.080 go viral. I don't think he set up being like, yes, 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:02.319 this TikTok of me moving into my office is going 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:04.920 to make thirteen million views. But I think once it did, 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.120 he was like, you know what, let's capitalize on this, 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.280 and let's really say this is I'm doing this because 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:11.400 I can't afford. You're not paying enough to live in 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.880 this ridiculously expensive city. I have had my staff before. 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:17.079 We have an upstairs from the shop, and it's got 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.640 like a little bathroom, it's got a kitchen downstairs. I 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.280 have had my staff let themselves into the shop after 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.400 having a blinder of a night a belter in Sydney 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:26.480 and go upstairs and sleep on the couch and then 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.280 have a shower and get ready for work the next day. 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:30.920 And I never found out until somebody told me at 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:32.880 a Christmas party that that's what they were doing. I 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:35.760 guess they don't really care. Oh my god, that's so funny, 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:37.360 But I don't really care. But at the same time, 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.680 imagine if somebody moved into your office space, Like they're 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:42.760 living there, where are they sleeping? 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:45.440 Where are they showering? Where are they eating their breakfast? 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:45.640 Like? 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:47.959 How do they manage to get through this but also 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.000 still keep a productive work life balance. 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:52.439 I would love to know where he's showering and cooking 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:54.360 his food? Did you have a little camp stove? Did 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:56.440 he bring some baked beans? Like? How was that happening? 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:57.920 But I guess you could afford to eat out now 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:01.200 he's not paying rent also using the office a wave. Well, okay, 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:04.800 so he said, quote, they do not pay me enough 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:08.199 to do both, I e. Work live commute. So a 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:10.600 matter of protest, I'm going to live at my job 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:12.520 and we'll see how long I can get away with this. 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:14.000 So it turns out it wasn't very long. It was 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:15.840 four days. He lived there for four days, I was 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:20.120 in and he came TikTok famous. But in four days 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.280 he kickstarted his career. So he said, now he's going 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:25.840 to focus on his brand. So he is now a TikToker. 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:28.200 He probably earns more money on TikTok than he's ever 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:30.880 going to earn in his office. So I guess this 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:32.120 worked out really well for him. 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:33.840 I guess one of the parts of this and like, 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:35.959 as much as it's a funny story, the back end 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.680 of it is actually kind of shit. Like nobody wants 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.280 to work so hard to then still feel like at 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:42.960 the end of the week that they can barely afford 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:45.480 their rent. And I think so many people, even living 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:49.240 in Sydney had those same feelings of like, I work 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:52.000 my ass off and then ninety percent of my income 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:54.599 goes towards paying rent to live wherever it is that 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:57.320 you've got to work. And actually, there is a report 0:13:57.360 --> 0:13:59.920 that's just come out the Demography is International Housing of 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.880 Audability of twenty twenty two. It came out in March, 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:06.839 and it says that Sydney is the second most expensive 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:08.320 city in the entire. 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:08.959 World to buy house. 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.520 And basically if you go through this list, it's got 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.319 twenty different cities on the list. Hong Kong's number one, 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:18.320 Sydney's number two. But then almost every single Australian city, 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:21.000 like major city is on that list in the top twenties. 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.280 It's wild. I mean, like it's such a catch twenty 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:25.560 two because we are so privileged in Australia, like we're 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:28.960 such a great country in so many ways, but fuck me, 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:32.560 we are so expensive. It is so expensive to live. 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:34.920 And do you know the shock that I got when 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:36.840 I moved because I'm a country girl from pomon Quarrie, 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:39.600 But the shock I will never forget when I started 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:41.600 to look for rentals when I first moved to Sydney 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:44.440 and I put in my rental amount, I think it 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:48.040 was three hundred dollars a week. I remember typing three 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:51.200 hundred dollars a week and this one place came up 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.040 that sounded too good to be true. It was like 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:57.920 five minute walk to the beach. You'll be sharing the 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:01.360 area with like three other people, but they were all young, 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:05.440 working professionals. You can move in next week. Everything was amazing. 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:08.880 Then I was like brilliant. I clicked on and started 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:10.280 to go through the photos and I had a lot 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:13.200 of like location photos and not a lot of anything else. 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.240 And then the fine print down the bottom it said 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:18.240 what they were renting out was a tent in the backyard. 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:22.080 I'm not kidding, but three hundred dollars a week buck yes, 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:24.000 And I nearly don't. I thought it was a prank. 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:26.320 I was like, I'm this is Candy cameram on Candon camera, 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:28.880 but they were renting out because obviously they couldn't even 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:31.280 afford their own rent and housing was so this was 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.720 like it was in demand, so they rented a tent. 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:35.480 It was like, I mean, it was a big tent. 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:37.440 It was like and I think it had an extra room. 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:38.880 It was a pretty big dome tent. 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.080 Was it like share facilities at the kitchen and the 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:43.760 internal bathroom. You've got like here, come use our share facilities, 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:45.560 the laundry and everything else. And if you want to 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:47.320 watch TV, you can come sit on the lounge. But 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:48.680 at nighttime you've got to go back. 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:50.080 To your tent. I don't even know if you were 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:51.640 allowed in, but it was like, no wonder there were 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.160 no electricity bills or internet included. They were like no bills, 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:55.520 you don't need to pay anything. It's because there is 0:15:55.560 --> 0:16:01.200 no electricity a tent. This okay, I'll bet you know what. 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:03.880 I actually read this report and this is on boss hunting. 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:05.960 But like I read the report and I guess at 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:08.200 the start, I was like, oh, that's so overwhelming to 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:10.200 know how expensive it is to live in Australia. But 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:14.480 there's also something incredibly like satisfying in being validated. I 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:16.640 think we all know how expensive rent is here. I 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:18.360 think we all know how expensive it is to even 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:21.400 try and remotely get into the housing market. Yeah, too 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:24.240 much avocado on toast. I think it's almost unfair. 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:27.160 I think that there is this expectation, or this like 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:30.760 assumption that our generation is spending all our money on 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:34.480 frivolous things. But I think that our generation, we almost 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:36.120 can't get ahead to buy the house, you know what 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:39.280 I mean, Like, buying the house is so far in 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.320 the future. It's such an unachievable goal for so many 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:45.520 people that we're not motivated to say for it, because 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:47.760 even if you saved for thirty years, you might not 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:49.920 even still be able to pay off the house totally. 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:51.920 But this is what the report says. It says Sydney's 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:55.760 medium house price is fifteen times more than the average 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:58.760 household income, and it's only beaten by Hong Kong, which 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.840 is twenty three times the collective annual take home It. 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.080 Is freaking wild. But yeah, look, I mean, as we said, 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:07.440 it is an incredibly expensive place to live, but it's 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.800 also an incredibly privileged place to live as well. Okay, well, 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:12.840 enough about the depressing talk about how no one can 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:17.680 afford anything except in avocado. Speaking of the Overwhelmed, What 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.040 a perfect segue into that topic. But first, before we 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.280 get into talking about the Overwhelmed, we have our favorite 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:27.480 part of every episode, and that is accidentally unfiltered. All right, Britt, 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:32.440 you can kick it off with accidentally unfiltered Uno numero one. Okay, guys, 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:34.639 I work full time from home and have two point 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:37.440 five year old twins. As you can imagine, my days 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:41.119 can be somewhat chaotic. Well, this morning, I was super 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:42.800 busy with work and I was trying to get my 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.160 kids organized for a nap when I had a miscall 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:49.000 from a very very important client. I had decided to 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:52.600 call him straight back because you know, hashtag multitasking. His 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:55.560 phone went to voicemail, so I hung up. I was 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:58.919 talking with my babysitter, saying, oh, no answer, It's okay, 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.600 I don't like him anywhere. Oh it smells like poo 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:04.120 in here, which one of you guys did a pooh oh? 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:05.800 Now I need to do a week. Can you hold 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:07.960 the baby. I'll be back in a second. God knows 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:09.920 what else I said, just as I went to put 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:12.280 my phone on the table. To my shock, I had 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:16.080 been recording a twenty five second voicemail the entire time 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:20.120 telling this very important client how much I didn't like him. 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:23.840 I almost died. I called him straight back and said, 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:27.040 I am so sorry, I just accidentally let your voicemail 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:29.280 talking to my kids. Please don't listen and delete it 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:32.240 and we can continue the conversation now. Oh do you know, 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:36.320 though I don't think, I don't think people listen to voicemail, 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:41.080 I do, yes. I never listened to voicemail messages. Never. 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:44.320 Maybe her saving grace is that she called him so 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:47.200 quickly back that he was like, well, there's no point 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:49.679 in listening to it. But I definitely listened to my 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:50.480 voice messages. 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:53.320 No, because my voicemail message it usually like predicts some 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:55.280 to text, and it's like, you know the person that 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:56.760 you've missed a call from, so then I just call 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:58.720 them back. I never ever ever go in and listen 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:00.119 to record a voice my messages. 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.680 Well that's worse, Laura, because that means, well, that means 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:05.160 to turn to her message into a text and sent 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:08.080 it to him. That is not a better option. I 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:10.320 don't like him and his male's like poo in here. 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:12.439 I don't like that either. I don't like him at all. 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:14.320 That's what she said. I don't like him at all. 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:16.359 Can you imagine if I was a client, I was 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:19.040 just about to drop some money. Actually, do you know 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:22.240 what's funny? Laura? I don't know if you know this. 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:24.040 This has happened to us before on the Life on 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:27.520 Cut email. God, what have you done? We had a client. 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:30.760 It wasn't me, it was one of the clients. We 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:32.840 had a client, and I'm never gonna say who, And 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:35.119 I don't know. Maybe our listener, no, but I don't know. 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:38.760 They were talking to us. There was an email chain. 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:42.040 Initially they reached out about working together, maybe doing some advertising. 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:44.760 What that would look like an initial you know? So 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:47.639 I wrote back very professional wrote back my response, and 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:50.480 I was like, we'd absolutely love to here's our media 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:54.440 deck anything you need to know. Then this person, Oh, 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:57.160 I feel awkward about this already? Or do we want 0:19:57.160 --> 0:19:59.640 this on the podcast? Well it was not too bad, 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:04.640 but obviously thought they were forwarding the email to their 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:06.840 boss and the rest of their colleagues to see if 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:08.280 they thought it was a good idea. But I was 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:10.520 still on the email chain and it was like a 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:13.320 shit fire. I didn't know what to do. They messaged 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:15.960 them and they were like, hey, guys, just looping back 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:19.159 in with a The Life Uncut podcast again. I know 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:21.280 we discussed them last year, but we didn't go ahead. 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:23.600 They can be pretty funny. This is what I said. 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:27.000 They can sometimes be pretty funny. Do you guys want 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:28.439 to jump on board with them this time? And I 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:32.199 was like, I need this to stop now before something happens. 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:34.399 I was like, I don't want to please abort mission. 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:36.000 I don't want to know what else you think of me. 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:38.600 I wrote back, what do you mean sometimes I did it. 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:47.159 I just wrote back really quickly and I was like, no, sorry, 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:50.879 I went right back, and as I did, someone's obviously highlighted. 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:53.240 Because there's about five people in this chat, someone's highlighted 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:54.600 to the person. They figured out that I was still 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:56.520 in the chat, so they started to write back to 0:20:56.560 --> 0:21:00.240 each other really positively about us, and then they were 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:02.199 like and then they included me again. They're like, oh, Brittany, 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:04.199 we'll have this discussion and get back to you. So 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:06.760 someone's realized anyway, I never sponsored it. 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:11.040 Man, this just makes me feel so uncomfortable. I'm sure 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:13.000 this has happened to so many people where they've been 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:16.159 accidentally included on an email. I'll never forget when I 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:17.719 was a kid, and I wasn't a kid. 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:19.480 I was in my twenties. That makes me feel like 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:21.119 a kid. It was like a day ago. It was 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:24.399 actually last week. A girlfriend of mine sent a group 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:27.280 Facebook message. She meant to just reply to one person, 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:29.800 but she brought back to the entire group and called 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:32.280 somebody else in the group a lot of very colorful names. 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:34.960 And I was just reading these messages coming through, like 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:39.720 does she realize that she's sending this directly to our friend? Anyway, 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:42.200 if you can get through a lifetime without this happening 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:44.840 to you, you're better people than were. Okay, well, I 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:48.040 have an accidentally unfiltered story which kind of goes off 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:50.880 my story that I told earlier about like having an 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:53.760 incorrect usage for a certain product. And this is also 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:56.200 bad because she was quite old from the age of eighteen. 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:58.520 There's also like your vibrator experience. 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:00.000 Of me from the age of eighteen to twenty one, 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:03.320 and I was using tampons incorrectly, So basically from the 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:06.000 time that she started using tampon, ah, she was not 0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:10.040 using them correctly, very very incorrectly. As embarrassing as this 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:12.800 is to admit, I would put the tampon in sideways, 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:15.440 think like a hot dog style, with my labbia as 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:18.240 the bums of the tampon over the hot dog. It 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:21.160 was only when my boyfriend caught me wedging it in 0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:23.760 that he taught me the correct way to insert a tampon, 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:28.399 emphasis on insert, not sliding it in sideways so embarrassing 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:30.880 it would always leak. I would never understand why girls 0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:33.280 were always saying that tampons were better than pads. And 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:36.120 it's took me a very important life lesson about never. 0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:40.280 Skipping the instruction manual. Could you imagine? Let me get 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:42.639 this right. So when she wedged it in like a 0:22:42.680 --> 0:22:45.439 hot dog, use it between the LaBier. That means it 0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:47.560 wasn't even inside of her It was like it was 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:51.119 loose in between on the outside. She was putting it 0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:55.359 in long way. Is it but inside or just or 0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:57.200 just on the bottom like a plug. No. I think 0:22:57.240 --> 0:23:00.080 she was like tucking it inside her labia, but doing 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:02.600 it long ways, not obviously vertical, like she was putting 0:23:02.640 --> 0:23:05.800 it in landscape instead of putting it in portrait. That's 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:07.320 why it was leaking. It wasn't even in there. How 0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:08.880 can you even walk around with that? No, it wasn't. 0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:10.000 Oh my god, it's so funny. 0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:12.679 It was like, that was the most perfect description it was. 0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:14.440 It was the hot dog in a bun. 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:15.399 That's how she was. 0:23:15.680 --> 0:23:16.080 Do you know that? 0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:18.600 Though this reminds me so much so, my sister growing 0:23:18.680 --> 0:23:20.639 up always thought, and we're talking about this the other day, 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:22.359 that's why I read. When I read this, I was like, 0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:24.320 there has to be other people out there who have 0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:28.679 definitely used tampons or thought that they were used in 0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:31.679 a different way. My sister thought that when when you 0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:35.600 took the wrapper off them, that they unfolded into a pad. Oh, 0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:37.680 she just thought that they were wrapped up really tight 0:23:37.760 --> 0:23:40.399 into a tampon. But she didn't understand that you actually 0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:42.639 inserted it. She thought it must have just been a 0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:45.639 pad that expanded once you opened the packaging. So did 0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:51.840 she used to unravel it? Are you never asked pulling 0:23:51.880 --> 0:23:53.919 the insider up? No? I think by the time she 0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:56.520 got her period she figured it out purely because she 0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:58.640 was forced to. But no, there was a very long 0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:01.200 period of time there where she thought that tampons were 0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:04.880 actually just big vacuum sealed pads. Anyway, that is enough 0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:11.000 of that. Let's get in to the chat about overwhelm. Okay, So, 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:14.000 for pretty obvious reasons, we wanted to do an episode 0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:18.159 on talking about the overwhelmed because I don't know about you. 0:24:18.200 --> 0:24:19.720 Actually I do know about you, Brittany. I don't know 0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:21.760 about the rest of you guys. But I think that 0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:24.919 this is just such a common state at the moment, 0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:28.879 the amount of people just subjectively that I'm friends with 0:24:28.920 --> 0:24:32.600 who are feeling incredibly overwhelmed. But also it just it 0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:35.480 seems to pop up so much in conversation, and I 0:24:35.520 --> 0:24:38.280 think that we've actually become accepting of it, like it's 0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:41.280 normal to just be perpetually overwhelmed. When we were. 0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:43.760 Unpacking this and thinking about like, okay, obviously it's a 0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:45.720 state that so many of us feel at the moment, 0:24:46.000 --> 0:24:49.879 I was thinking, what is my like, how do I 0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:52.160 feel about the overwhelmed? Like how do I feel when 0:24:52.160 --> 0:24:54.720 I'm in this constant state of like things are a 0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:56.920 little bit too much? And you know that meme that's 0:24:56.960 --> 0:24:58.240 going around at the moment, and. 0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:01.520 It's the girl who says, I do not have time 0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:06.879 for this, I do not have time for you, I 0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:10.639 do not have time for this, I do not have 0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:14.320 time for you. That is me. That is how I 0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:16.879 feel when I'm in a state of just being a 0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:19.360 fucking overwhelmed. I just want to. 0:25:19.080 --> 0:25:22.680 Push everything and everybody away and try and get through 0:25:22.680 --> 0:25:24.520 the to do list. But sometimes I think you have 0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:28.119 to have a bit more introspection and like realize, actually, 0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:30.399 it's not what everybody else is doing to you or 0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:30.840 for you. 0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:34.320 It's your inability to set good boundaries. It's probably the 0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:35.800 real problem here and now. 0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:38.760 Overwhelm is a little bit different to say burnout, because 0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:40.320 I think that like when you get to a point 0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:44.000 of being burnt out, you can usually identify that that's 0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:45.600 what's happening, and it's usually got a bit of a 0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:48.720 cause and effect. But I think the reason why overwhelmed 0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:52.439 can really creep in is because it doesn't necessarily have 0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:55.399 an end to it. It's just this feeling that is 0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:58.399 so compounding by all the small things that are happening 0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:00.760 in life and makes you feel very much like your 0:26:00.800 --> 0:26:03.959 life is completely out of control, but also that you 0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:06.240 don't have enough time or you don't have the ability 0:26:06.280 --> 0:26:08.359 to manage everything that's going on around you in a 0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:09.000 healthy way. 0:26:09.520 --> 0:26:11.359 I think an easy way to think about the difference 0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:14.200 with those two, Laura, is when you think of burnout, 0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:17.920 we can recognize it because usually you're like, I am exhausted, 0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:20.360 i am cooked, I'm done, I'm packing up shop, I'm 0:26:20.440 --> 0:26:22.760 zipping my tent up, and I am going to just 0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:25.760 take some time out. But the difference with overwhelm is 0:26:25.800 --> 0:26:28.800 that it's like burnout, but with an added layer. So 0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:31.439 it's burnout, but you add a mental layer, so instead 0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:36.200 of just feeling like physically run down, it's this emotional 0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:39.400 toll that it takes on you simultaneously, which is why 0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:42.399 I think it's so much worse, because you can feel 0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:46.480 overwhelmed without physically feeling burnt out. So I think this 0:26:46.600 --> 0:26:48.960 is a really good way to differentiate the two as well. 0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:51.720 But I also think with that like it can creep up. 0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:55.240 That's the thing we're feeling overwhelmed. It's the relentlessness of it, 0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:57.399 the relentlessness of the every day. And one of the 0:26:57.440 --> 0:26:59.840 reasons why we first thought we wanted to talk about 0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:03.200 this topic is purely because of how overwhelming the news 0:27:03.200 --> 0:27:05.840 cycle has been recently, and like with everything that's been 0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:08.479 happening in Ukraine, off the back of everything that's been 0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:11.320 happening with COVID, and then there's fucking. 0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:12.760 Japanese and ccephalitis is here. 0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:15.560 It just feels like there's always something that is so 0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:21.639 urgent and pressing and scary and that can be incredibly overwhelming. Now, 0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:23.840 the news is one part of this, and I think 0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:26.399 it's one part that we really wanted to recognize. However, 0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:29.080 I don't think that it's necessarily the main part or 0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:32.080 the only part. I think that we every single day 0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:34.959 are exposed to so many stresses, and there is this 0:27:35.119 --> 0:27:38.479 incredible data overwhelmed that we experience as well, where we 0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:41.359 are constantly on our phones, We're constantly being bombarded with 0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:45.440 emails or text messages or Instagram updates, and even when 0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:48.120 we're not being actively bombarded by it, we're passively being 0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:51.720 bombarded by it by simply consuming content. Now I did 0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:53.400 a little bit of a deep dive. This is what 0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:55.760 I came up with. There is three hundred and thirty 0:27:55.760 --> 0:28:00.480 three point five billion emails sent every single day, million 0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:03.280 photos and videos are shared on Instagram every day, and 0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:07.120 there are over two hundred million business profiles using Instagram 0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:08.840 every day, which just means when you think about two 0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:12.439 hundred million business profiles that just lends itself to the 0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:16.760 amount of advertising and marketing that we're being exposed to constantly, 0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:18.679 and there is no respite from that. 0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:21.080 So just a few days ago, Actually, this is funny 0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:25.560 that you say that. I had somebody email me that said, Hi, Brittany, 0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:28.199 just following up because I haven't I sent you an 0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:31.520 email two days ago. I haven't heard from you yet. 0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:34.440 I think maybe my emails are going to junk. That's 0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:38.120 what they said. And I wrote back and I said, oh, hi, look, 0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:42.480 incomplete transparency, I have two hundred and twenty one unread emails. 0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:44.000 I don't think it's in the junk. I probably have. 0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:46.240 I was like, I just haven't got to it yet 0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:48.120 or it's been lost that. I was just really honest. 0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:50.880 I was like, like, it's I mean maybe if it 0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:52.320 was seven weeks ago. I was like, I probably just 0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:53.560 haven't got it yet. I was like, do you want 0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:55.800 to just resend it to me? It wasn't in my junk. 0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:58.600 I just have seven thousand emails and this has happened 0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:01.360 to me before. Okay, that they lend itself to, like 0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:03.440 your level of organization, I feel like that is an 0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:06.520 excessive amount of emails, But don't you think it's interesting though? 0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:09.440 And we do, like I think that most people experience this, 0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:12.240 especially when it comes to emails. You might have a 0:29:12.280 --> 0:29:14.400 plan for your day, like you might have a to 0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:16.880 do list, you might have some organization that makes you 0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:18.920 feel like you've got some structure around what you need 0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:21.920 to achieve in a day. Then you open your emails 0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:24.280 and your emails are literally, when you think about it, 0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:27.080 they are somebody else dictating your to do list for 0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:29.520 the day. That is somebody else who's decided that their 0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:31.800 priorities need to be your priorities and they need to 0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:34.800 be done on their schedule. And we've created this culture 0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:37.600 where it's like people expect to get a reply to 0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:40.960 an email within twenty four hours. And if you're already overwhelmed, 0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:42.920 if you're already in this state of like, fuck, there 0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:44.320 is not enough hours in the day for me to 0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:47.040 be able to get through the entire mental load that 0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:50.880 I'm carrying. That adds to those feelings of I can't 0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:53.680 do anything. Well, yeah, and it's these day to day 0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:55.640 things that creep up on us. And we're going to 0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:57.360 get into it in a second as well, Laura, with 0:29:57.440 --> 0:30:01.160 other external sources like having children, d trying to get 0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:03.880 them to preschool so you can go and start your workday, 0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:05.560 so you can even open your emails with your seven 0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:09.440 thousand read emails. Everything in life at the moment, with 0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:11.680 the news on top of that, is contributing to this 0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:13.840 feeling of a lot of people feeling overwhelmed. And I 0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:17.320 had a look at the level of stress out of 0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:19.280 interest in the US at the moment, and I picked 0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:22.040 the US because it's such a large population. But nearly 0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:24.960 half of the US adults say that stress has negatively 0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:28.560 affected their behavior last year. So that was last year, 0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:30.560 and you know, statistics aren't out this year. It's early 0:30:30.560 --> 0:30:33.320 into the year. So fifty percent of people now a 0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:36.280 feeling like what's happening in their life is not only 0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:39.080 overwhelming but then has a negative impact on them. Yeah, 0:30:39.120 --> 0:30:39.760 And I guess like. 0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:41.600 The big thing with this like and in terms of 0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:43.800 like talking about overwhelm as a feeling when we talk 0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:46.600 about I think there's lots of different feelings in terms 0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:50.360 that get thrown around like stress, anxiety, burnout. We talk 0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:52.800 about these concepts a lot, but in terms of overwhelm, 0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:55.880 I think it is the relentlessness that really plays a 0:30:55.880 --> 0:30:58.400 massive part in this conversation, and it's the feeling like 0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:01.400 that there is no end in that makes people feel 0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:04.800 incredibly overwhelmed. I think, before we go any further, it's unpacked. 0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:08.640 There's actually some like real physiological triggers and some real 0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:12.080 physiological reactions that your body can have and that you 0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:14.560 have when you are incredibly overwhelmed. When you're at a 0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:18.160 point of just total saturation, your brain can't physically take 0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:20.920 on any more task or do any more. There's a 0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:24.080 feeling of like complete brain fog where you feel forgetful 0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:25.840 and you don't feel like you're across all the tasks 0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:28.320 that you have to have. You can also have visceral 0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:32.120 physical reactions to this, where you might feel sick, you 0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:35.240 might feel like internally anxious. It might affect your sleep 0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:37.360 or your ability to I mean, we all know what 0:31:37.360 --> 0:31:39.000 that's like. Where you're lying in bed at night time 0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:40.840 and you're thinking, oh fuck, I have to do my 0:31:40.920 --> 0:31:43.200 tax or thinking about the massive to do list, and 0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:45.320 so instead of just going to sleep and getting some 0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:48.000 productive time, you might even get up and go and 0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:50.840 answer the emails or answer whatever it is that's stopping 0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:53.280 you from being able to sleep. It's feeling like there's 0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:55.240 so many things to fit into a day and there's 0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:58.080 just physically not enough hours or you can't possibly take 0:31:58.120 --> 0:32:00.959 on anything else to care about. It also makes you, 0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:03.560 if you're in this state of overwhelm, it also makes 0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:05.760 you really quick to be frustrated with people. I think 0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:10.600 I know personally, whenever I'm at that capacity, if somebody 0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:13.880 is taking too long, or if they're doing something which 0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:16.720 is going to impact my time and my day, my 0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:19.840 reaction to that, like my feelings of frustration and annoyance 0:32:20.080 --> 0:32:22.160 are a lot more severe than what they should be, 0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:24.920 because all I'm thinking is like, how am I going 0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:26.960 to get through everything else I've still got to do today. 0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:31.280 It's interesting, Laura, because this is something that's been going 0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:33.800 on for a long time, but Harvard researchers have actually 0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:36.160 come up with a name that has to do with 0:32:36.880 --> 0:32:40.640 COVID and the pandemic and lockdowns. They've called it pandemic brain. 0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:42.680 Now this is from Harvard, so you've got to believe it. 0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:45.640 It's called pandemic brain, and it's a phenomenon observed in 0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:49.160 people that have come out of this extensive lockdown, where 0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:53.880 stress induced neuroinflammation can actually been seeing on the brain 0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:57.280 and it's caused fatigue and lots of concentration and mood changes. 0:32:57.600 --> 0:33:00.000 So people now that are going through this and experience, 0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:02.360 I think that it helps a little bit to be 0:33:02.400 --> 0:33:05.600 able to tie it to oh, Okay, this is actually 0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:07.920 something that there's a reason I'm feeling like this, and 0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:09.800 maybe I can start to work towards it. I'm going 0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:11.760 to talk about things later on that you can do 0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:14.600 when you are feeling like this. But for me, my 0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:17.800 response and I often go through periods of overwhelmed. But 0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:20.160 I think a couple of days ago, Laura, you are 0:33:20.160 --> 0:33:21.840 going to remember this, but I think this is a 0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:24.800 prime example of what happens to me when I'm very 0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:28.600 overwhelmed and I'm feeling higher levels of stress and emotions 0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:33.560 and everything else. I my emotions are like I cry 0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:35.560 at the drop of a hat, where I'm not usually crying. 0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:37.160 And I've talked about this in the past, but it 0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:41.480 was last week. Laura and Mitch and Keisha, so all 0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:44.840 of our radio crew they were encouraging me to get 0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:47.520 back into the dating scene, and they were like, hey, 0:33:47.760 --> 0:33:50.040 why don't you download well some of the dating apps 0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:52.440 and get back on there. And I just within two 0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:54.960 seconds in front of everyone, I started crying. I was 0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:58.560 crying at the thought of going back onto a dating app, 0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:01.400 but that was tied to the feeling of overwhelmed because 0:34:01.400 --> 0:34:03.120 there was so much stress and pressure in my life 0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:06.320 that I can't even fathom right now how I'm feeling 0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:09.040 getting back into the dating life and the feeling of 0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:11.080 how do I have time. I remember thinking to myself, 0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:14.120 I don't even whether I'm emotionally ready right now. I 0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:15.440 don't even I was like, how do I find the 0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:18.400 time to sit there, create a profile, start scrolling, starting 0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:21.200 from scratching again going on these initial dates. I was like, 0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:22.759 then you go on a date and it doesn't work out, 0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:24.359 and you've wasted that time that I could be doing 0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:26.279 something else. And I got myself into this such a 0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:28.520 headspin and everyone you all just looked at me. You 0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:30.759 were like, whoa, BRIT's okay. We just said why don't 0:34:30.760 --> 0:34:32.960 you download NAP? And I started crying, and I was like, 0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:34.160 what is wrong with me? 0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:37.040 But I guess it's because when you're in that stage, 0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:40.160 and when you're already overwhelmed, you're not thinking about the 0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:43.319 one thing that's been proposed. You're not thinking about oh, Okay, well, 0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:45.520 it's just it's just downloading an app and going for 0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:48.960 a flick. You're thinking about all the other aspects of that. 0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:51.520 You're thinking about, well, what does then that mean and 0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:53.400 then how does that lead into the next thing. So 0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:56.040 you're actually looking at like the really big picture. And 0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:59.200 I think it's the big fucking picture that becomes so overwhelming. 0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:01.920 The other part of this which is so important to 0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:03.880 touch on, and it's really like, in everything that I 0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:07.759 deep dived in conversations around overwhelmed, it was the one 0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:10.840 thing that kept coming back as being just so prevalent 0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:14.000 throughout all the research, and that is parenting. And I 0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:15.840 think for anyone who is a mum, or if we 0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:19.920 have dads listening as well, the relentlessness of parenting is 0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:24.000 a huge contributing factor to people feeling overwhelmed. And I 0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:26.000 think one of the big reasons for that is because 0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:29.680 there's no switching off. Of course, you have to be grateful, 0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:31.919 and we feel so grateful. And it's almost like any 0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:34.640 time as a parent you complain about being a parent, 0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:36.839 you also then have to have the caveat of like, oh, 0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:38.799 but I really love my kids. Of course, you fucking 0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:41.000 love your kids. We all love our kids, but the 0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:43.400 feeling that you are on from the minute that you 0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:46.239 wake up until the minute you go to bed, and 0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:49.680 the fact that you also don't necessarily have control over 0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:51.680 your day because like, well, what if they get sick 0:35:51.760 --> 0:35:53.520 or what if all of a sudden daycare cause and 0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:55.239 you've got to go pick them up, and you know, 0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:57.640 the schedule gets thrown out of whack because these tiny 0:35:57.680 --> 0:36:02.279 little people are so wild and uncontra controllable and dependent. Yeah, 0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:04.320 and just when you think you've got things down pat, 0:36:04.360 --> 0:36:05.919 and just when you think you might have some plan 0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:08.520 or some structure that makes you feel in control of 0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:10.920 your life, shit just goes out the window again. And 0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:13.320 so I think a big portion of this conversation around 0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:17.520 overwhelm actually comes down to control and how we feel 0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:19.759 like we have such a huge lack of control in 0:36:19.800 --> 0:36:23.080 our lives. And then that and the lack of control 0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:25.120 and the lack of being able to do anything is 0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:27.279 also why the news is such a huge part of this, 0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:29.520 because with everything that's going on in the news at 0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:32.759 the moment, we feel like we can't do anything, We 0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:35.960 feel like we can't help, and it's the hopelessness, it's 0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:36.839 the helplessness. 0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:39.560 That's incredibly overwhelming. Yeah, and look, we're going to get 0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:42.240 into our chat with Sam from The Daily Ols pretty soon, 0:36:42.840 --> 0:36:45.240 and in that I talk a little bit about something 0:36:45.400 --> 0:36:48.800 that I personally do and I can't really stop myself 0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:50.800 from doing it, and that is something that is called 0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:54.640 doom scrolling. It's this idea that you don't get pleasure 0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:58.120 from reading about horrible things at all, because I absolutely 0:36:58.200 --> 0:37:00.920 do not, But I'm just so obsessed with knowing what 0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:04.200 is happening in the world that I can't stop. And 0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:07.400 then I get into this rabbit warrant. So some people 0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:10.880 can read the news on a surface level something so 0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:13.160 for example, it could be something horrific like what's happening 0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:15.560 in Ukraine right now, they read on a surface level 0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:17.120 and they get what they need and they can stop. 0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:19.879 But there are a bunch of people, myself included, that 0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:23.000 need to know more and it's so upsetting. And the 0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:24.680 further I go and the more I read, the more 0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:27.600 stress I'm getting, the more upset I'm getting. I'm just 0:37:27.640 --> 0:37:30.880 addicted and I can't stop, and it's it's detrimental in hindsight, 0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:32.920 because then I'm you know, screwed for the rest of 0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:33.239 the day. 0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:35.000 But don't you think it comes down to us and 0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:37.000 not that it's all Obviously there's lots of loads of 0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:39.200 really bad things that are happening, But like, the headlines 0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:44.000 are so they're so dramatic, it's so sensationalized, it's so urgent, 0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:46.839 and every time you get on and you do read 0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:49.080 the news or you see certain news sources, I think 0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:52.800 it's like the crazy urgency of just how dire straits 0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:56.759 everything is, and we're so negatively geared. It's a psychological 0:37:56.800 --> 0:37:59.800 defense mechanism. We're so in tune with reading negative and 0:37:59.840 --> 0:38:02.640 new news, and we want to read negative news because 0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:04.839 kind of like helps us cope in a weird way 0:38:04.880 --> 0:38:06.960 where we're like, well, now that we know what's happening, 0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:08.239 we feel like we have some. 0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:09.160 Protection to it. 0:38:09.440 --> 0:38:11.839 Why don't we seek out positive news in the same way, 0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:14.680 or why does positive news not get clicks on websites 0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:17.759 but negative news does well? So most of the time, 0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:20.760 I would agree with you that in life in general, 0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:24.600 news headlines are sensationalized and dramatic at the moment. 0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:27.799 I disagree. I think that unfortunately, at the moment they're 0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:30.279 not sensationalized. A lot of the headings are what they are, 0:38:30.320 --> 0:38:32.200 and you click into it and the articles actually worse 0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:33.680 than the heading, but that is because of what the 0:38:33.680 --> 0:38:35.879 world's going through at the moment, is you know, something 0:38:35.880 --> 0:38:38.080 we haven't been through in a very long time. But 0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:40.000 I was talking about this with my family last night. 0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:42.000 We had a big debate around the dinner table, and 0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:44.480 I really loved that. And I hope that this conversation 0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:50.080 today ignites other conversations. But unfortunately, because I follow I 0:38:50.080 --> 0:38:51.959 don't know if you follow them, Laura, but you guys, 0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:53.480 if you follow me on Instagram, you might see I 0:38:53.480 --> 0:38:55.200 post them to my stories A lot of the time. 0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:59.520 They're called good News Movement. It's purely just an Instagram 0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:03.840 site that posts really fucking good things, like really happy things, 0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:07.120 really positive things, really cute things. They're amazing and it 0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:09.400 makes you feel so good, like I'll watch it and 0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:10.880 I feel so happy that I want to share it 0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:12.879 with other people. But there have been plenty of these 0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:15.480 sites that have said, yeah, look, we don't get the 0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:18.400 clicks that the Doomsday News gets. We definitely don't, but 0:39:18.440 --> 0:39:20.600 it's not about that. It's just about providing people with 0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:22.680 a bit of an outlet. So we're going to talk 0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:25.279 about coping mechanisms at the end, but right now, in 0:39:25.320 --> 0:39:27.200 this moment, I can tell you that that is something really, 0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:30.000 really great that I do myself to try and balance 0:39:30.080 --> 0:39:33.600 what we just said about reading this perpetual wave of 0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:34.760 really traumatic news. 0:39:34.960 --> 0:39:37.319 Yeah, I fully agree with you. The only thing that 0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:39.360 I think in terms of like the news cycle, and 0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:42.000 when I say that it's sensationalized, I don't mean that 0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:44.160 there's not horrendous and hideous things that are happening in 0:39:44.200 --> 0:39:48.359 the news. I guess it's also the unrelenting nature, like 0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:51.120 there is a new news article, it's not just one 0:39:51.120 --> 0:39:54.480 publication that covers one bad thing, it's everywhere. That that's 0:39:54.520 --> 0:39:56.520 why there has to be some choices about dipping in 0:39:56.560 --> 0:39:59.080 and dipping out. And now we do cover this with Sam, 0:39:59.120 --> 0:40:02.080 and it's really important. We think it is absolutely critical 0:40:02.440 --> 0:40:05.040 that we all are linked in to the news, that 0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:06.719 we all know what's happening in the world, that we 0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:09.920 take some level of responsibility. But it's also important to 0:40:09.960 --> 0:40:11.279 take care of yourself at the same time. 0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:13.319 Okay, well, I want to get into the chat now 0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:16.160 with Sam from the Daily OS. So if you don't 0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:19.480 know what the Daily OS is, it's an Instagram page. 0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:22.080 It's also now a newsletter, a website and a podcast, 0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:25.759 but it offers young Australians and around the world now 0:40:25.760 --> 0:40:29.600 but it's Australian base, a digestible and super engaging way 0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:33.359 for them to consume news now, Sam tells us. So 0:40:33.560 --> 0:40:35.920 it's run by Sam and Zaras. They tell us that 0:40:36.000 --> 0:40:38.479 the reason they started this Instagram page at the start 0:40:38.600 --> 0:40:40.279 was for this exact reason. They were like, there was 0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:45.359 no way to consume the news in a really concise 0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:49.400 and precise manner. There were hundreds of articles on everything. 0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:51.920 It was all is this true? Is this factual? Is 0:40:51.920 --> 0:40:53.960 this too much? I've had enough of reading this. It's 0:40:54.239 --> 0:40:57.640 too traumatic. They saw an opening to say, hey, young 0:40:57.680 --> 0:41:00.000 people want to stay up to date, but they don't 0:40:59.880 --> 0:41:03.759 want this perpetual feeling of being dragged down and this 0:41:03.760 --> 0:41:07.400 perpetual feeling of overwhelmed. Now, their Instagram grew very rapidly. 0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:09.640 They have over three hundred and thirty thousand followers now. 0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:13.160 And I actually got on board with them quite early 0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:15.520 on because for that exact reason. I was young, and 0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:17.520 I was like, I want to know what's happening in 0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:19.440 the world. I want it really quick, I want it 0:41:19.480 --> 0:41:21.040 in one place that I know I can go to 0:41:21.120 --> 0:41:24.320 and I can trust that what I'm consuming is factual, 0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:26.319 because that is something else we need to speak about. 0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:28.680 How do we know what we're consuming is in factual? 0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:31.600 There's so much misinformation out there. So when we decided 0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:34.800 to talk about this, we thought, what a brilliant person 0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:36.800 to get on the podcast to talk about the feeling 0:41:36.800 --> 0:41:39.840 of being overwhelmed by things like the news. Then someone 0:41:39.920 --> 0:41:44.560 that literally spends all day, every day, all night consuming 0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:47.240 news around the world. So we've got Sam on Sam. 0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:50.480 Welcome to Life Uncut. Thanks having me guys, Sam, I 0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:52.920 want to hit you with hard questions. First, we're stoked 0:41:52.920 --> 0:41:56.000 to have you here. But with a name Sam because Losskiar. 0:41:56.600 --> 0:41:58.600 Does anyone ever think you're related to monsters? 0:41:58.640 --> 0:41:58.839 Inc? 0:41:59.280 --> 0:41:59.799 All the time? 0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:01.440 And I'm going to give you one guess in my 0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:03.400 dad's name, literally one guess, and if you get it, 0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:06.959 you in one hundred million dollars. 0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:05.600 I need a. 0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:12.120 Mike. It is, it is, it is. It's a lot 0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:14.640 better looking than the monster's in character. That's good for him, 0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:18.160 But no going through school with that last name, and 0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:20.320 especially with my dad with first name Mike, it was 0:42:20.360 --> 0:42:23.560 a real honor and I'm now no longer scated monsters. 0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:26.719 Truly a character building, truly Sam Kay at school as 0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:27.560 they used to call me. 0:42:27.840 --> 0:42:30.040 So Sam. A lot of people might know you, not 0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:32.799 necessarily you, but they might know your podcast and your 0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:35.400 new site, your Instagram. You are one half of the 0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:38.520 Daily Oz. Now you might forget, but you slid into 0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:40.520 my DMS when you started, and you asked me to 0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:43.000 help promote your site. And now I feel like I 0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:45.759 need to ask you to promote mine because you've overtaken me. 0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:48.520 You're so big. The Daily OLS is so incredible. It's 0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:51.480 definitely my go to news site. Just give us a 0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:53.279 little bit of a background on you and how you 0:42:53.320 --> 0:42:55.040 got there and how the Daily Ols came to be. 0:42:55.480 --> 0:42:57.759 Firstly, Britain would love to help you out, so just 0:42:57.800 --> 0:43:02.080 shout out out. The alias is basically our way of 0:43:02.120 --> 0:43:04.359 trying to make the news accessible on Instagram because the 0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:08.240 news is very complicated, it's very scary, and there's actually 0:43:08.280 --> 0:43:10.279 not a real way for you to engage with the 0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:11.960 news if you haven't grown up with it and you 0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:14.840 don't have some degree in economics or politics. And we 0:43:14.880 --> 0:43:17.080 didn't think that was okay, and we didn't think that 0:43:17.120 --> 0:43:19.920 you should be able to not have access for free, 0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:22.919 especially to news that really really matters, And the best 0:43:22.960 --> 0:43:25.000 way to talk to people is where they're already at. 0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:28.200 So if you know, if everyone was still sticking around 0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:30.200 on Facebook, that's where we would have done the daily ohs. 0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:32.960 But people, our friends, our mates were on Instagram, and 0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:34.640 that's where we wanted to do it. So when I 0:43:34.640 --> 0:43:36.720 think when we slid into your DMS, our whole point 0:43:36.840 --> 0:43:39.279 at that stage of our journey was like, we need 0:43:39.320 --> 0:43:41.040 to get this as far and wide as we can, 0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:45.040 because everyone who follows us loves it. We just need 0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:47.360 to have people get to know us. And now we 0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:48.760 got three hundred and thirty thousand. 0:43:48.920 --> 0:43:51.480 How many people do you have engaging with your website? 0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:53.239 Are engaging not just through Instagram, but do you know 0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:56.320 how many people having, like on a monthly overview, engaging 0:43:56.360 --> 0:43:57.200 with the news that you. 0:43:57.160 --> 0:44:02.600 Guys are creating between Instagram, newsletter, podcast, video, we have 0:44:02.760 --> 0:44:05.000 like almost three million people a month. 0:44:05.320 --> 0:44:08.040 Insane and that growth happens so quickly, and I guess 0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:09.960 that shows you how much need there was in the world. 0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:12.840 Because I remember when I didn't know you, and obviously 0:44:12.920 --> 0:44:14.439 it was used to you trying to get the daily 0:44:14.480 --> 0:44:16.120 olls out to people. I remember you saying, can you 0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:18.759 please help us get to one hundred thousand followers, and 0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:21.160 then you blinked and I and you're at over three 0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:23.120 hundred thousand. So it goes to show you where we 0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:24.719 all are in the world. And I know for me, 0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:27.759 I'm an avid newsreader, but I would wake up every 0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:29.839 morning and I would scroll every news site. And I 0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:31.920 was even as a teenager, I used to I was 0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:33.799 a bit of a sicko. I loved the bad news. 0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:37.120 But I don't know why, but I've always wanted one place, 0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:38.960 and that's why when I saw your site, I was like, 0:44:39.000 --> 0:44:41.560 this is fucking brilliant. It's like and this is why 0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:44.239 it's grown so quickly because everything you could possibly want 0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:45.640 is in two scrolls. 0:44:45.760 --> 0:44:48.320 And you know what's weird is that it wasn't done before. 0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:51.120 Like it doesn't to be that complicated of an idea. 0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:54.200 We really just go, Okay, there's a thousand words on 0:44:54.239 --> 0:44:56.399 this topic. What are the hundred words that somebody needs 0:44:56.400 --> 0:44:58.640 to know if they've got three minutes. And I'm a 0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:01.759 bit surprised that it hasn't been done more. But we 0:45:01.840 --> 0:45:04.239 seem to be doing really well, and I think It 0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:06.839 shows that young people actually give a shit. Young people 0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:09.680 aren't dumb, and that's really important for us to remember. 0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:12.480 But it also reinforces this idea that like we want 0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:15.280 short and sharp content, you know, like the new generation 0:45:15.640 --> 0:45:17.920 have been conditioned in a way that the content that 0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:20.920 we're consuming is X amount of words. And I wouldn't 0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:23.319 say that it's an overall attention span thing, but like 0:45:23.400 --> 0:45:25.719 we consume a lot more content in a very short 0:45:25.760 --> 0:45:28.600 period of time. Now, the topic that we're talking about, 0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:32.480 and this whole episode is focused around overwhelmed. Feeling overwhelmed 0:45:32.480 --> 0:45:34.520 comes in many, many different ways. And I read something 0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:37.480 that you said recently. You said I usually browse perhaps 0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:39.840 twenty or thirty news sites, and I spend. 0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:42.279 Literally all day on Twitter. I am never not keeping 0:45:42.280 --> 0:45:45.239 an eye on what's trending, breaking or being debated. When 0:45:45.280 --> 0:45:48.279 you run a news platform that primarily uses Instagram as 0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:51.319 a media channel, can you ever actually switch off from that? 0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:57.800 Totally? Never? And that frustrates my girlfriend, and it frustrates 0:45:57.840 --> 0:45:59.640 the people around me, and the way that I view 0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:02.760 it is I just need to be the front line 0:46:02.880 --> 0:46:04.799 to make everyone else be able to switch off, and 0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:06.680 I'm kind of happy to do that for a few years, 0:46:06.680 --> 0:46:08.680 and Zara and I really, honestly, I know that sounds 0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:11.440 kind of like we're, you know, masters, but we really 0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:13.640 are happy to be kind of the people who filter 0:46:13.800 --> 0:46:16.440 through what you need because it's not for everyone. But 0:46:16.920 --> 0:46:19.840 it is almost impossible because you don't know when something's 0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:21.960 going to change so quickly. I mean like even if 0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:23.959 we prepare a whole piece the next day, the whole 0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:26.160 situation could be totally different, and that's news. 0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:27.360 So how does that work for you? 0:46:27.440 --> 0:46:27.600 Then? 0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:30.960 Do you have twenty news sites you've said twenty to thirty. 0:46:31.000 --> 0:46:33.160 Do you have alerts on for those sites? Do you? 0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:36.319 Or do you just have to consciously yourself every hour 0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:39.200 log on, scroll, have a read, see what's relevant. 0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:41.880 Well, now we have a phenomenal team of journalists, so 0:46:42.000 --> 0:46:42.839 now it's a lot easy. 0:46:42.840 --> 0:46:44.479 I need to brag. You've got a huge team. Okay, 0:46:44.560 --> 0:46:44.880 we get it. 0:46:45.160 --> 0:46:48.640 Look, the media empire is growing and it's not just 0:46:48.719 --> 0:46:51.240 Zara and I now having to cover everything. But we still, 0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:53.600 funnily enough, we still literally just sit there, like I'll 0:46:53.640 --> 0:46:56.879 go home and watch an hour of news before bed, 0:46:56.960 --> 0:46:58.839 even though I pretty much know what they're going to say. 0:46:59.440 --> 0:47:02.239 Does it because overwhelming like, I mean, for somebody who 0:47:02.280 --> 0:47:04.600 doesn't have that option, who can't just switch off and 0:47:04.640 --> 0:47:06.239 be like cool, I'm going to have a social media 0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:09.920 detox cleansed this weekend. How do you deal with those feelings? 0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:12.440 And is that something that you have experienced in the 0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:13.280 last couple of years. 0:47:13.560 --> 0:47:15.640 I think there's kind of two different elements here that 0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:18.680 are playing around. There's the feeling of overwhelm, and there's 0:47:18.719 --> 0:47:22.640 a feeling of desensitized. And desensitized is that sense of 0:47:22.680 --> 0:47:25.400 like you read something really, really terrible that's happened, and 0:47:25.440 --> 0:47:28.040 you don't really feel anything, and you feel a sense 0:47:28.040 --> 0:47:30.520 of kind of, well, well, I've almost read something worse. 0:47:30.960 --> 0:47:32.520 You were saying when you used to read the news, 0:47:32.520 --> 0:47:35.000 like you were chasing the morbid stuff. It means that 0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:36.640 we kind of build this catalog in our head of 0:47:36.640 --> 0:47:39.000 what's the most morbid thing we've ever read. In like 0:47:39.120 --> 0:47:41.320 news theory, a lot of people use nine to eleven 0:47:41.360 --> 0:47:43.719 as they're like reference point, and so if something isn't 0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:46.120 as dramatic as nine to eleven, then well it's kind 0:47:46.120 --> 0:47:47.759 of just you know, it's only a flood, it's only 0:47:47.760 --> 0:47:50.080 a hurricane, it's only a double murder. All of that 0:47:50.160 --> 0:47:53.040 kind of stuff which is wild, super wild to the 0:47:53.080 --> 0:47:57.200 overwhelmed point, totally, totally, and we see big dips in 0:47:57.239 --> 0:48:00.879 our engagement when things get too much. And so one 0:48:00.920 --> 0:48:03.480 of the posts I'm the most proud of ever is 0:48:03.520 --> 0:48:06.759 when we as a news company said, hey, audience of 0:48:06.760 --> 0:48:08.640 two hundred thousand or whatever it was at the time, 0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:11.160 we think you should take the weekend off. We think 0:48:11.200 --> 0:48:14.560 you should say enough news for now. We'll let you 0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:17.440 know if there's anything super important, but you need to 0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:19.480 take some steps back because it's too much. And I 0:48:19.520 --> 0:48:21.799 think we're in that spot right now. Actually, like there 0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:23.240 is a lot happening. 0:48:22.960 --> 0:48:25.440 Because at the end of the day, if it's not 0:48:25.480 --> 0:48:26.800 something like nine to eleven, I know there is a 0:48:26.840 --> 0:48:28.080 lot going on in the world. At the end of 0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:30.360 the day, the same news is still going to be 0:48:30.400 --> 0:48:32.600 there in two days. I think a lot of us 0:48:32.640 --> 0:48:36.319 in the world are desensitized now. And I'm going to 0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:40.279 use the example of the word terrorism. Terrorism back at 0:48:40.360 --> 0:48:44.360 nine to eleven. Back in those days, it stopped the world. 0:48:45.080 --> 0:48:48.080 Every single person knew about it. Everyone was petrified, and 0:48:48.080 --> 0:48:51.200 that's where the word terrorism comes from. It incites terror. 0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:53.400 I don't know if this is just me now, but 0:48:53.640 --> 0:48:56.400 it's almost like now I hear of a terrorist attack 0:48:56.440 --> 0:48:58.080 and it just doesn't have the same effect. It doesn't 0:48:58.120 --> 0:49:00.560 really stop people in their tracks anymore, like, oh my god, 0:49:00.640 --> 0:49:03.080 this happened. It's horrific, but it doesn't have the same 0:49:03.120 --> 0:49:04.920 impact that it once did. And that's because I think 0:49:04.960 --> 0:49:08.480 we're desensitized. There's so much of it, it's so available. 0:49:07.960 --> 0:49:09.880 And that's the point. There's too much of it, so 0:49:09.920 --> 0:49:12.040 it's a twenty four hour news cycle. When nine to 0:49:12.040 --> 0:49:15.120 eleven happened, that was the first world event where there 0:49:15.200 --> 0:49:17.680 was like rolling coverage, And that was the first world 0:49:17.719 --> 0:49:19.680 event where people actually sat in front of a television. 0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:22.719 I was six and I remember turning on ABC News 0:49:23.000 --> 0:49:25.200 when it was meant to be ABC for kids before 0:49:25.239 --> 0:49:27.760 school and sitting there for two hours before my parents 0:49:27.840 --> 0:49:31.320 realized I was there watching this thing. And now everything 0:49:31.400 --> 0:49:33.520 has rolling coverage. I mean, like, I saw a thing 0:49:33.600 --> 0:49:36.520 that beginning of COVID, CNN were doing like a case 0:49:36.680 --> 0:49:39.040 toll in the bottom right hand corner, which was like 0:49:39.080 --> 0:49:42.360 ticking over as the cases were accumulating, like for COVID, 0:49:42.440 --> 0:49:45.239 for COVID, Like that's a wild kind of sense of 0:49:45.320 --> 0:49:46.040 momentum that. 0:49:46.000 --> 0:49:47.840 You feel while I was going to say that is 0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:50.040 like that's the word, you know, we talk about. You're 0:49:50.080 --> 0:49:51.920 using the example of terrorism, but I think like the 0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:54.600 more like recent one is the word COVID. At the beginning, 0:49:54.719 --> 0:49:56.560 we were too petrified to leave the house, and now 0:49:56.600 --> 0:49:58.200 we're like, oh god, no one even looks at the 0:49:58.280 --> 0:50:01.960 daily tolls anymore or where. And I feel like the 0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:04.040 other part that you touched on there in talking about 0:50:04.200 --> 0:50:07.440 being desensitized, do you think that there's different parts to 0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:10.880 it in that. I guess like we're desensitized to like 0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:14.120 the volume all the facts, almost, but I don't think 0:50:14.120 --> 0:50:17.880 that we're desensitized to the humanizing stories. And it's almost 0:50:17.880 --> 0:50:20.359 like sometimes the new cycle or the media has to 0:50:20.400 --> 0:50:23.920 like really find those harrowing individual stories and that's where 0:50:23.920 --> 0:50:26.000 the empathy cuts through. That's where it really hits you 0:50:26.040 --> 0:50:26.399 at home. 0:50:26.640 --> 0:50:28.600 And I think about what's happening in Ukraine at the moment, 0:50:29.080 --> 0:50:32.200 and it's all been a lot of information, but the 0:50:32.200 --> 0:50:34.319 one story that's cut through was the bombing of the 0:50:34.320 --> 0:50:36.799 maternity ward and the woman and the baby who died, 0:50:36.800 --> 0:50:39.160 and it was that singular story. I think that's what's 0:50:39.160 --> 0:50:42.239 really cut through everybody's empathy, fatigue, and feelings of like, oh, 0:50:42.239 --> 0:50:44.719 that's happening, but you know, I can't do anything about it, 0:50:44.760 --> 0:50:46.920 and now there is universal outrage around it. 0:50:46.800 --> 0:50:49.120 And let's like break that down and think about why 0:50:49.280 --> 0:50:51.759 that's the case. Is because we're all human beings and 0:50:51.800 --> 0:50:55.160 our psychology means that we relate to people. We don't 0:50:55.200 --> 0:50:58.440 relate to stories as much or situations we relate to 0:50:58.719 --> 0:51:01.520 other human beings. And you know, there's lots of things 0:51:01.520 --> 0:51:04.799 that come into this, but human stories are you know, 0:51:04.880 --> 0:51:07.920 the most successful posts that we had as my successful 0:51:07.960 --> 0:51:10.560 I mean traffic, not successful as in positive, but the 0:51:10.600 --> 0:51:13.279 most successful post we had during COVID was stories of 0:51:13.320 --> 0:51:15.640 how hard it was for nurses, and it was quotes 0:51:15.640 --> 0:51:18.480 from nurses, and that kind of thing meant so much 0:51:18.480 --> 0:51:20.680 more to our audience than just, you know, some big 0:51:20.719 --> 0:51:23.840 policy announcement or some definition of what the close contact 0:51:23.960 --> 0:51:26.200 was and all that kind of stuff. It's news is 0:51:26.360 --> 0:51:29.360 people's lives. We're reporting on real human beings. 0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:31.320 I was having a conversation with my sister just a 0:51:31.360 --> 0:51:33.600 couple of days ago, and I sent a podcast to 0:51:33.640 --> 0:51:36.360 hear to listen to on what's happening in Ukraine right now? 0:51:36.880 --> 0:51:39.399 And I said, isn't it crazy that we're all given 0:51:39.400 --> 0:51:41.920 the facts, we read the news, we know what's happening. 0:51:42.440 --> 0:51:45.160 But I listened to the New York Times as the daily. 0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:48.840 I listened to that and they were actually interviewing people 0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:51.600 from Ukraine that were living in the subways, that were 0:51:51.600 --> 0:51:54.120 trying to get over the water. And the second I 0:51:54.200 --> 0:51:56.880 heard their voice from living in that situation, I was 0:51:56.920 --> 0:51:58.400 in tears, and I said to share it. And all 0:51:58.440 --> 0:52:00.120 of a sudden, it's like, you know what's happening, and 0:52:00.160 --> 0:52:02.440 you feel sorry for them. But when you hear someone's story, 0:52:02.520 --> 0:52:03.840 and I think we found the same thing with the 0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:06.799 floods here in Australia, the second you hear someone's their 0:52:06.800 --> 0:52:09.680 real plight, their real story, their sacrifice, what they're going through, 0:52:10.160 --> 0:52:14.359 it intensified that for me one hundred times over. We 0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:16.719 are incredibly privileged that we are able to turn the 0:52:16.760 --> 0:52:19.359 news off when we are overwhelmed. What are your. 0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:21.840 Perspectives on this, On the debate of the privilege that 0:52:21.880 --> 0:52:23.600 we have to be able to turn off the news 0:52:23.680 --> 0:52:25.600 and to be able to disassociate with something that makes 0:52:25.640 --> 0:52:27.280 us feel uncomfortable. 0:52:26.880 --> 0:52:30.399 It's both fair and not fair to say I'm too 0:52:30.440 --> 0:52:33.080 overwhelmed with the news right now in Sydney, Australia or 0:52:33.120 --> 0:52:35.480 wherever you are in the country, and I just need 0:52:35.520 --> 0:52:38.360 it to go away. It's fair from the perspective of 0:52:38.880 --> 0:52:41.840 it should never be a matter of somebody's got it 0:52:41.880 --> 0:52:44.960 worse over there, and we have really serious problems in 0:52:44.960 --> 0:52:47.000 our own lives, and whether that be mental health or 0:52:47.040 --> 0:52:52.000 financial struggles or you know, existential questions about climate that 0:52:52.040 --> 0:52:55.640 we're thinking about that day. That doesn't invalidate your problems. 0:52:56.040 --> 0:52:57.680 The fact that you need to take a step back 0:52:57.680 --> 0:53:00.840 from a seriously demanding news cycle. I'm not just talking 0:53:00.840 --> 0:53:02.880 about like I've been doing this for quite a while now. 0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:05.840 This is a particularly shit time, Like this is like 0:53:06.680 --> 0:53:09.080 worst of the worst at the moment, So it's no 0:53:09.200 --> 0:53:12.239 surprise at all that people want to switch off. On 0:53:12.280 --> 0:53:15.000 the other hand, putting it head in the sand and 0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:17.319 not thinking about the things that's happening in the world 0:53:17.320 --> 0:53:20.840 around you can also be a sense of ignorance. We 0:53:20.920 --> 0:53:23.640 know there's a very thin line between privilege and ignorance 0:53:23.680 --> 0:53:25.560 and all that kind of thing. I think a lot 0:53:25.560 --> 0:53:27.640 of people are switching off at the moment with Ukraine 0:53:27.640 --> 0:53:30.360 in particular because they feel helpless and that sense of 0:53:30.400 --> 0:53:32.800 like like even with the floods, there was a sense 0:53:32.880 --> 0:53:36.120 still that although we couldn't do anything there, and then 0:53:36.200 --> 0:53:38.719 for the people whose houses were in danger, we could 0:53:38.719 --> 0:53:41.920 donate money and we could kind of activate on social 0:53:41.960 --> 0:53:44.640 media and we could put pressure on government. The Ukraine 0:53:44.640 --> 0:53:46.920 situation feels totally out of control, and yes, you can 0:53:46.960 --> 0:53:48.520 donate money and all that kind of thing, but it 0:53:48.520 --> 0:53:51.520 feels so damn huge that I'm not surprised that people 0:53:51.560 --> 0:53:53.879 are switching off. I think the important thing for people 0:53:53.920 --> 0:53:56.959 who are feeling overwhelmed by the news and are having 0:53:56.960 --> 0:53:59.640 this battle about privilege is to think of it as 0:53:59.640 --> 0:54:03.840 a scale. You don't need to read the news sixteen 0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:07.000 times a day. You can check in once a day 0:54:07.040 --> 0:54:09.480 with the news and be okay with the fact that 0:54:09.480 --> 0:54:12.520 that update's going to last you twenty four hours. So 0:54:12.960 --> 0:54:15.200 if we approach this privilege debate as like a bit 0:54:15.239 --> 0:54:17.920 more of not just black and white, but like somewhere 0:54:17.920 --> 0:54:19.560 in the middle, and honestly, that's what we're trying to 0:54:19.560 --> 0:54:21.359 do at the Daily OS is like, if you're trying 0:54:21.400 --> 0:54:24.040 to read only five minutes a day of news, let 0:54:24.280 --> 0:54:26.400 us help you with that. But it doesn't need to 0:54:26.400 --> 0:54:28.440 be switching on or switching off, it can be somewhere 0:54:28.440 --> 0:54:28.880 in the middle. 0:54:28.920 --> 0:54:30.399 And I think that's a really good point to make, 0:54:30.520 --> 0:54:33.000 is that I think there is a balance between the 0:54:33.000 --> 0:54:35.440 privilege of switching off and staying up to date. But 0:54:35.440 --> 0:54:37.680 I think what it is is you can choose the level. 0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:40.279 So maybe you say today, I'm not going to worry 0:54:40.280 --> 0:54:42.480 about COVID, I'm going to deal with that next week. 0:54:42.800 --> 0:54:44.560 I'll just find out what's happening in the Ukraine, or 0:54:44.680 --> 0:54:48.600 vice versa, or for a prime example is if you 0:54:48.640 --> 0:54:50.680 guys are feeling overwhelmed by the news, but you do 0:54:50.719 --> 0:54:52.200 want to stay up to date because you do care. 0:54:52.920 --> 0:54:55.319 Sites like yours are so great because you can read 0:54:55.320 --> 0:54:57.480 a headline, you can get some facts. You don't have 0:54:57.560 --> 0:54:59.360 to go and listen to somebody that's going through it. 0:54:59.400 --> 0:55:01.319 Like I said, I you don't have to go to 0:55:01.360 --> 0:55:03.040 that level, you have to go to that depth. So 0:55:03.360 --> 0:55:06.840 there are ways, I guess for you to manage your woman, 0:55:06.840 --> 0:55:08.440 manage to stress in the fatigue, and. 0:55:08.400 --> 0:55:10.840 Now our coverage could very well still overwhelm you. I 0:55:10.880 --> 0:55:13.320 have one other tip though, if you're feeling super super 0:55:13.360 --> 0:55:16.120 overwhelmed about the news and you still want to be 0:55:16.520 --> 0:55:19.560 feeling like you're on top of the news and being informed. 0:55:20.040 --> 0:55:23.320 Go and look up Stephen Colbert on YouTube and watch 0:55:23.400 --> 0:55:25.839 him make fun of the news for ten minutes a day, 0:55:26.360 --> 0:55:29.319 because he'll actually tell you how satire. Yeah. He stands 0:55:29.400 --> 0:55:30.839 up at the beginning of his late night TV show 0:55:30.840 --> 0:55:33.239 in America, which is watched by millions of people, and 0:55:33.280 --> 0:55:36.000 he says things like how bloody stupid is putin He's 0:55:36.040 --> 0:55:38.320 done this, this, and this wrong, And he actually portrays 0:55:38.440 --> 0:55:40.040 what you need to know in the information, but he 0:55:40.160 --> 0:55:42.000 kind of makes light of it. But he makes that 0:55:42.120 --> 0:55:45.440 in such a nice way that he's using humor as 0:55:45.440 --> 0:55:49.719 a management tool for the dire situation. And sometimes I 0:55:49.800 --> 0:55:53.000 find that unbelievably helpful. Honestly, if I could be anyone 0:55:53.000 --> 0:55:54.680 in the world, would be him. Like the joy of 0:55:54.719 --> 0:55:59.120 delivering news, making people laugh and informed is like the dream. 0:55:59.360 --> 0:56:01.960 So have you ever today where you're like, I don't 0:56:02.000 --> 0:56:03.520 want to do this today, I do not want to 0:56:03.520 --> 0:56:04.680 look at the news, I don't want to turn my 0:56:04.719 --> 0:56:06.319 phone and I want to throw it in a lake. 0:56:06.640 --> 0:56:08.360 Have you ever felt that? But you just have to 0:56:08.360 --> 0:56:09.160 force your way through it. 0:56:09.480 --> 0:56:11.640 I have felt that. And Zara and I are really 0:56:11.880 --> 0:56:14.359 open with each other about when we need the other 0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:16.359 person to take a bit more of the weight there. 0:56:16.920 --> 0:56:18.960 I'm sure it's like when one of you guys don't 0:56:18.960 --> 0:56:21.160 feel like recording a podcast, you kind of lean on 0:56:21.200 --> 0:56:23.120 the other one and say, I need you to lead this. All. 0:56:23.160 --> 0:56:26.600 I know we love it all the time, no, but 0:56:26.680 --> 0:56:28.560 I mean, like so Laura and I and I think 0:56:28.560 --> 0:56:30.719 this might be something that a lot of our listeners 0:56:30.800 --> 0:56:33.560 don't realize. And this is not a complaint because we 0:56:34.080 --> 0:56:36.759 love it so much, but there are some times where 0:56:36.760 --> 0:56:39.279 we'll go to each other and if there have been 0:56:39.960 --> 0:56:42.560 two hundred ask gun cuts coming in so people write 0:56:42.600 --> 0:56:45.000 their questions or their problems, if there have been like 0:56:45.080 --> 0:56:47.840 weeks and weeks and weeks of really really hard ones 0:56:48.520 --> 0:56:50.839 and we're writing back to these people. Sometimes we end 0:56:50.920 --> 0:56:52.800 up being a therapist to a lot of people, and 0:56:52.600 --> 0:56:54.640 we love it. We want to help everyone. But sometimes 0:56:54.680 --> 0:56:56.280 we'll be like, I need to tap out of socials 0:56:56.320 --> 0:56:58.799 for a couple of days because like for exactly that 0:56:58.840 --> 0:57:00.600 I'm so overwhelmed right now. Oh and I just need 0:57:00.600 --> 0:57:03.160 to take a breather. So it's definitely something that we 0:57:03.200 --> 0:57:04.799 feel for sure. And you do you sort of pass 0:57:04.840 --> 0:57:06.160 about in a bit, and I guess. 0:57:06.000 --> 0:57:08.240 It depends on who you are as an individual person, 0:57:08.360 --> 0:57:11.560 like what's your level of like deep empathy and how 0:57:11.640 --> 0:57:14.680 you respond to information. Some people are more hugely affected 0:57:14.680 --> 0:57:17.640 by other people's stories than others, you know. I think 0:57:17.640 --> 0:57:19.760 that there's a scale of this as to how we 0:57:19.800 --> 0:57:21.080 feel overwhelmed or how. 0:57:20.920 --> 0:57:21.480 We receive that. 0:57:21.560 --> 0:57:24.120 But I definitely think at this time there is a 0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:25.520 lot of it going on, and there is a lot 0:57:25.520 --> 0:57:28.640 of feelings around the general conversations that I hear of 0:57:28.720 --> 0:57:30.840 people being like I have so much anxiety. 0:57:31.160 --> 0:57:32.800 It's like, of course you have anxiety. It's because of 0:57:32.840 --> 0:57:35.040 the state of the fucking world. Yeah, that's why you 0:57:35.040 --> 0:57:35.600 have anxiety. 0:57:35.680 --> 0:57:38.240 And we're sitting here going there's like an invasion happening, 0:57:38.840 --> 0:57:41.640 and COVID numbers are scaling again, and then like all 0:57:41.680 --> 0:57:45.040 of a sudden, there's killer mosquitos. 0:57:45.440 --> 0:57:47.520 The other data I think. I sent it to you guys, 0:57:47.520 --> 0:57:50.160 and I said, would you believe that now Japanese and 0:57:50.200 --> 0:57:52.880 cephalitis has made its way to mosquitos here in New 0:57:52.880 --> 0:57:54.640 South Wales And it tells you not to go camping. 0:57:54.680 --> 0:57:55.840 I'm like, what is that? 0:57:55.880 --> 0:57:57.960 Which is not like, honestly, we didn't need that in 0:57:58.000 --> 0:58:00.000 the news cycle. We're doing fine, thank you very much. 0:58:00.200 --> 0:58:02.360 I changed the coming, go back, get out of here. 0:58:02.480 --> 0:58:04.520 But that that was actually a moment where I didn't 0:58:04.560 --> 0:58:06.880 like fully switch off because I was a bit curious 0:58:06.880 --> 0:58:09.520 about killing mosquitos, but I was sick. I was like, 0:58:09.600 --> 0:58:11.120 hang on a minute, like this is just getting a 0:58:11.120 --> 0:58:13.200 bit ridiculous now, like let's just take this. 0:58:13.280 --> 0:58:17.400 Time, like Jumonji is. He thinks it's all better, and 0:58:17.440 --> 0:58:19.800 then someone else scrawls out the window. The world is 0:58:20.040 --> 0:58:22.200 sashire at the moment. Almost like when I read about 0:58:22.200 --> 0:58:24.880 the killer mosquitos, which was only in the last two weeks, 0:58:25.320 --> 0:58:27.600 I didn't have the shock. I was like, oh my god, 0:58:27.600 --> 0:58:30.320 there's another killer thing. But it wasn't shocking. I was 0:58:30.320 --> 0:58:32.160 more just like adding it to the list of things 0:58:32.200 --> 0:58:35.080 to be careful of. I will go get some mosquito repellent. 0:58:35.480 --> 0:58:38.400 And that's why sometimes I actually am uncomfortable with people saying, oh, 0:58:38.440 --> 0:58:40.920 that wasn't on my twenty twenty two bingo card with 0:58:41.040 --> 0:58:44.680 some things that are like properly traumatic and very very 0:58:44.720 --> 0:58:48.320 serious issues, because like that's like kind of to the 0:58:48.320 --> 0:58:50.880 privileged point, like well, hang on, we can't predict when 0:58:50.920 --> 0:58:52.800 there's going to be terrible things. No one wants there 0:58:52.840 --> 0:58:55.240 to be terrible things, like, of course it wasn't in 0:58:55.280 --> 0:58:56.479 anyone's plan of the year. 0:58:56.880 --> 0:58:58.440 Do you think that could to make light of it? 0:58:58.520 --> 0:59:00.120 Sometimes that's just going to say, do you do you 0:59:00.160 --> 0:59:02.560 think it comes back down to that whole feeling of like, well, 0:59:02.560 --> 0:59:04.800 when everything's so doomed, A lot of people deal with 0:59:04.920 --> 0:59:06.680 like the shitty times with humor. 0:59:06.800 --> 0:59:07.840 Yea, that is one. 0:59:07.960 --> 0:59:09.840 It's being human. It's being human. 0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:12.040 It's a one hundred percent of management skill. And like, 0:59:12.760 --> 0:59:14.680 I don't do that necessarily with those things, but I 0:59:14.720 --> 0:59:17.200 know that I manage all kinds of stress and awkward 0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:20.400 situations and uncomfortable situations with humor as well. And I 0:59:20.440 --> 0:59:22.520 think we sometimes see a lot of people go too 0:59:22.560 --> 0:59:24.600 far and they miss the mark online and then they 0:59:24.600 --> 0:59:26.640 get torn to shreds. But at the end of the day, 0:59:26.800 --> 0:59:28.760 like you just said, no one wants thees bad things happening. 0:59:28.840 --> 0:59:30.560 We all just manage things in a different way. 0:59:30.840 --> 0:59:32.600 And so the challenge for us is how do we 0:59:32.640 --> 0:59:35.360 stay positive, how do we stay mentally healthy? How do 0:59:35.440 --> 0:59:38.080 we not get overwhelmed but also stay informed? And I'm 0:59:38.080 --> 0:59:41.120 going to like hold firm on that point about staying informed. 0:59:41.320 --> 0:59:44.160 I don't actually believe it's good to just switch off entirely. 0:59:44.960 --> 0:59:46.600 I think you can do it in moderation. 0:59:47.120 --> 0:59:50.320 For somebody who's reporting the news, there's obviously an incredible 0:59:50.360 --> 0:59:52.560 amount of pressure one to make sure that it's accurate, 0:59:52.600 --> 0:59:54.600 that you're well researched, but also that you're delivering it 0:59:54.640 --> 0:59:56.600 in a way that the people that you're delivering it 0:59:56.640 --> 0:59:59.440 to are able to digest it, and you're not putting 0:59:59.440 --> 1:00:02.200 in your own per personal flavor of like your opinions. 1:00:02.520 --> 1:00:04.479 How do you do that in a very objective way 1:00:04.600 --> 1:00:07.720 without becoming emotionally invested in the information that you're presenting. 1:00:08.280 --> 1:00:09.760 The first way to answer that is that we get 1:00:09.760 --> 1:00:13.360 it wrong all the time. Great because we do too, Like, 1:00:13.360 --> 1:00:16.240 like almost daily we get it wrong, and that's because 1:00:16.240 --> 1:00:18.600 our mission is to try and do it objectively, which 1:00:18.640 --> 1:00:21.400 is unbelievable. It's so much easier to write with your 1:00:21.440 --> 1:00:23.760 opinion and just to say, like, whatever you want to say, 1:00:23.840 --> 1:00:26.120 but that's not what we think we can add value. 1:00:26.280 --> 1:00:28.720 Yeah, when you're strongly disagreeing with what you're typing, but 1:00:28.760 --> 1:00:30.120 you're like, oh, I just need to get it out 1:00:30.120 --> 1:00:30.920 of there. Facts. 1:00:31.000 --> 1:00:33.000 No, And the other way that we try and keep 1:00:33.080 --> 1:00:36.880 objective is let people talk for themselves. So let's say 1:00:37.200 --> 1:00:42.000 our Prime minister says something controversial about women hypothetically, then 1:00:42.640 --> 1:00:45.520 he hasn't done that. No, we'll let the comment and 1:00:45.560 --> 1:00:48.080 the quote be there for itself. We don't need to 1:00:48.120 --> 1:00:51.479 add color and flavor and like readers can figure it out. 1:00:51.680 --> 1:00:54.840 And that's a really powerful tool, is saying so and 1:00:54.880 --> 1:00:57.520 so said this, so and so said that. That's all 1:00:57.560 --> 1:00:59.680 you needn't know. Yeah, And actually, just like that is 1:01:00.320 --> 1:01:03.400 it's route that's news. News is just this is what's happened. 1:01:03.560 --> 1:01:05.840 Not necessarily this is why it's happened, this is what 1:01:05.840 --> 1:01:08.200 it means, but just this is what's happened. And that 1:01:08.240 --> 1:01:10.120 for a lot of our readers is like if they're 1:01:10.120 --> 1:01:11.800 not reading a heap and heap and heap of like 1:01:11.840 --> 1:01:13.600 commentary and all that kind of stuff, that's actually what 1:01:13.600 --> 1:01:14.040 they need. 1:01:14.920 --> 1:01:17.000 This is a super boring question everyone, but I think 1:01:17.000 --> 1:01:20.840 it's so important. I think news validity and making sure 1:01:20.880 --> 1:01:23.439 you are not getting misinformation because there is a lot 1:01:23.440 --> 1:01:25.600 out there and Laura and I have been on the 1:01:25.680 --> 1:01:27.800 wrong end of that stick before over the last couple 1:01:27.840 --> 1:01:30.320 of years when we've done our own research and maybe 1:01:30.320 --> 1:01:33.080 we've pulled something from a site that we thought was accurate, 1:01:33.120 --> 1:01:34.919 but it wasn't. And I think a lot of people 1:01:35.000 --> 1:01:38.919 have that. There's so much misinformation circulating about everything. How 1:01:38.960 --> 1:01:43.520 do you decide what is a worthy, trustworthy news site? 1:01:43.520 --> 1:01:45.400 And do you have one or two that are your 1:01:45.440 --> 1:01:47.160 go to that you know are really reliable. 1:01:47.960 --> 1:01:50.760 The way that we decide whether a news site is 1:01:50.800 --> 1:01:55.520 reliable is purely based on their reputation and their form. 1:01:56.080 --> 1:01:59.320 So like, let's take the New York Times for example, Like, 1:01:59.400 --> 1:02:00.800 these guys are just never wrong. 1:02:01.160 --> 1:02:03.080 Okay, great, because that's who I go to so. 1:02:03.160 --> 1:02:05.680 Amazing, They're phenomenal. And often the ones that are never 1:02:05.680 --> 1:02:07.600 wrong are also the ones with the most money, and 1:02:07.640 --> 1:02:09.840 because they can hire them fact checkers and editors and 1:02:09.880 --> 1:02:13.600 sub editors and proofers and like crazy amounts of resources. 1:02:13.800 --> 1:02:16.000 But you kind of get a sense of like, these 1:02:16.040 --> 1:02:18.760 are the guys who if they say it and they 1:02:18.840 --> 1:02:21.680 can show you like how they've confirmed it, they're on 1:02:21.720 --> 1:02:24.520 the money. There's a really interesting part of the news 1:02:24.560 --> 1:02:26.240 that not many people know about, and that's called news 1:02:26.320 --> 1:02:29.200 wires and news services and the whole idea there is 1:02:29.280 --> 1:02:32.640 like let's say you're a newspaper in Sydney and you 1:02:32.680 --> 1:02:35.120 don't have the money to send somebody to Ukraine right now, 1:02:35.160 --> 1:02:37.640 but you still want to report on Ukraine, you can 1:02:37.680 --> 1:02:40.920 actually subscribe to these global services that send a reporter 1:02:41.240 --> 1:02:44.240 that all these news publications can use that report. So 1:02:44.280 --> 1:02:46.840 that's what the Daily OS does, except with photography. So 1:02:46.880 --> 1:02:49.520 obviously we don't have the resources to send the photographer 1:02:49.520 --> 1:02:51.840 even to the floods in northern New South Wales, but 1:02:51.920 --> 1:02:55.760 we subscribe to a service called AAP, Australian Associated Press, 1:02:55.920 --> 1:02:58.520 and they send the photographer. And now that's why you 1:02:58.600 --> 1:03:00.720 kind of see the same photos and all these news sites, 1:03:00.840 --> 1:03:03.040 but the result of them is that they're always really good. 1:03:03.560 --> 1:03:06.600 So if the Newswires say it, if the New York 1:03:06.640 --> 1:03:08.920 Times say it, then you can start thinking like this 1:03:09.040 --> 1:03:11.480 is really happening. What you don't want to do is 1:03:11.600 --> 1:03:13.280 take news off a tweet. 1:03:13.200 --> 1:03:17.480 Or daily take daily mail. Sam, thank you so much 1:03:17.480 --> 1:03:19.640 for coming on the podcast and for sharing your insight. 1:03:19.800 --> 1:03:22.040 I think that pleasure guys. It's very much a reflection 1:03:22.120 --> 1:03:23.480 of where we're at in the world at the moment, 1:03:23.520 --> 1:03:26.000 and then talking about the overwhelm is something that's so 1:03:26.160 --> 1:03:28.880 relevant to so many people. So we truly appreciate your 1:03:28.880 --> 1:03:31.480 perspective on this. You keep finding the good fight, Sam, 1:03:31.600 --> 1:03:31.959 I will. 1:03:31.960 --> 1:03:34.040 I'll keep doing all the hard work so that everyone 1:03:34.040 --> 1:03:36.240 feels calm, so that we don't have to do that. Yes, 1:03:36.440 --> 1:03:38.280 it's going to be okay everyone. 1:03:38.160 --> 1:03:40.360 And can you share for everybody where they can find 1:03:40.400 --> 1:03:41.360 you on Instagram? 1:03:41.520 --> 1:03:43.680 Have a look at us on Instagram at the Daily 1:03:43.760 --> 1:03:46.520 oz a US. It's where both of you guys get 1:03:46.560 --> 1:03:47.080 you on news. 1:03:47.280 --> 1:03:49.680 It is actually Hue. I love it. Thanks there see 1:03:49.720 --> 1:03:52.440 you guys. I think it's so great in this conversation 1:03:52.640 --> 1:03:55.360 to have been able to speak to someone like you said, Britt, 1:03:55.360 --> 1:03:58.360 who literally cannot switch off from the news, and like 1:03:58.600 --> 1:04:00.800 you know, we mentioned this at the beginning. Overwhelmed is 1:04:00.840 --> 1:04:04.040 not just something that is dictated by what's happening in 1:04:04.040 --> 1:04:08.000 the news cycle. It is absolutely prevalent for so many reasons. 1:04:08.000 --> 1:04:10.080 And I think it is the bombardment of data and 1:04:10.120 --> 1:04:14.200 the bombardment of us increasingly taking on more and more 1:04:14.360 --> 1:04:17.520 work and feeling more and more stressed, and putting ourselves 1:04:17.560 --> 1:04:21.120 into this position where it's the lack of control of 1:04:21.160 --> 1:04:24.320 our own lives that leaves us feeling totally overwhelmed and 1:04:24.360 --> 1:04:27.680 totally above our heads. I think it would be really helpful. 1:04:27.320 --> 1:04:30.320 To talk about some of the ways to cope with this, 1:04:30.440 --> 1:04:33.280 because when you're in it, it often feels like, well, 1:04:33.280 --> 1:04:36.240 there's no way out, and that's why we can have 1:04:36.360 --> 1:04:39.320 these really strong adverse reactions to it. Why we feel 1:04:39.360 --> 1:04:41.160 like we can't get sleep, why we feel like we're 1:04:41.200 --> 1:04:44.080 quick to anger, or one of the research studies that 1:04:44.120 --> 1:04:47.600 I read, which this goes back to twenty fifteen, but 1:04:47.600 --> 1:04:50.400 there was a research study that was conducted for parents 1:04:50.480 --> 1:04:53.680 and for mums. A thousand working mums were surveyed and 1:04:54.240 --> 1:04:58.160 the study said that one in four working mums will 1:04:58.160 --> 1:05:01.280 cry at least once a week because of how overwhelmed 1:05:01.320 --> 1:05:03.479 they feel by the amount of work and the toll 1:05:03.560 --> 1:05:06.000 that being a working mum takes on them. So, like 1:05:06.040 --> 1:05:09.480 we said, it presents itself in so many different ways, 1:05:09.720 --> 1:05:13.320 from so many different factors of life. But how do 1:05:13.360 --> 1:05:14.840 you fix it and what do you do? 1:05:15.320 --> 1:05:16.840 I mean, we can talk about what to do and 1:05:16.880 --> 1:05:18.520 how to fix it, but I want it to be 1:05:18.640 --> 1:05:22.000 really well known here that it is easier than done 1:05:22.040 --> 1:05:23.920 a lot of the time. So obviously one of the 1:05:23.960 --> 1:05:26.560 main things that they say you can do, especially this 1:05:26.600 --> 1:05:28.280 is harder if you haven't run your own business, but 1:05:28.320 --> 1:05:30.760 in terms of work, so let's focus on WorkFirst, not 1:05:30.840 --> 1:05:33.840 with the little kiddies. In terms of work, it's about 1:05:33.880 --> 1:05:37.920 trying to set some work times for yourself, So saying, Okay, 1:05:38.120 --> 1:05:41.160 my workday will be whether it's five o'clock, six o'clock, 1:05:41.240 --> 1:05:43.680 seven pm. It's to set that time for yourself and 1:05:43.720 --> 1:05:46.120 try to stick to it. Now. I have tried to 1:05:46.160 --> 1:05:48.480 do that before, I really have. But I think the 1:05:48.560 --> 1:05:51.640 problem is, and this is probably more when you run 1:05:51.680 --> 1:05:54.240 your own business or if you take your work home. 1:05:54.320 --> 1:05:56.919 So when I was working in an emergency department, very 1:05:56.960 --> 1:06:01.800 high levels of stress, exhausting, NonStop. But the second I 1:06:01.840 --> 1:06:04.200 walked out that door, I didn't take my work home. 1:06:04.240 --> 1:06:06.320 There was no capacity for me to take my work home. 1:06:06.480 --> 1:06:08.680 My patients are left there. So for me, it was 1:06:08.720 --> 1:06:11.000 really easy. I walked out the door of the hospital 1:06:11.200 --> 1:06:14.360 and it was done. But since having my own businesses, 1:06:14.760 --> 1:06:16.560 I try to switch off. I'm like, yep, switch off 1:06:16.560 --> 1:06:20.040 at seven pm. But then I have this feeling of well, 1:06:20.440 --> 1:06:21.760 it's still going to be there to do it tomorrow. 1:06:21.800 --> 1:06:23.040 No one else is going to do it, so I 1:06:23.080 --> 1:06:26.280 may as well keep on churning through it because I'm like, yeah, 1:06:26.280 --> 1:06:27.760 I could have the night off, but I'm going to 1:06:27.840 --> 1:06:30.040 wake up at seven am and the same amount is 1:06:30.040 --> 1:06:32.600 going to be there plus some. So you just keep going. 1:06:32.680 --> 1:06:35.520 And sometimes I'm emailing clients. They've written back to me 1:06:35.600 --> 1:06:37.200 being like, why are you emailing me at one am? 1:06:37.320 --> 1:06:39.080 Because I'm like, oh, I just you know, I just 1:06:39.080 --> 1:06:41.960 happened to be on my computer. But for me, it's 1:06:42.040 --> 1:06:44.480 just going to accumulate. So that's something that I need 1:06:44.520 --> 1:06:44.960 to work on. 1:06:45.200 --> 1:06:47.080 There's this old adage as well, which is like you 1:06:47.160 --> 1:06:49.200 quit your nine to five to work twenty four to seven. 1:06:49.280 --> 1:06:50.560 I think that a lot of people who run their 1:06:50.560 --> 1:06:53.280 own businesses can totally relate to that sort of mentality. 1:06:53.480 --> 1:06:55.240 Yeah, And so off the back of that, it comes 1:06:55.320 --> 1:06:57.640 down to, Okay, are you in a position where maybe 1:06:57.680 --> 1:06:59.680 you can delegate better? These are just questions you need 1:06:59.720 --> 1:07:02.440 to ask yourself. Are you doing work that somebody else 1:07:02.680 --> 1:07:05.160 maybe that works for you, could be doing, maybe a 1:07:05.160 --> 1:07:07.000 family member could be helping you. Is there any way 1:07:07.040 --> 1:07:09.400 you can you can delegate? Or you've been a perfectionist 1:07:09.440 --> 1:07:11.560 where you need to oversee everything. So these are questions 1:07:11.560 --> 1:07:14.000 you can ask yourself moving forward. But at the end 1:07:14.080 --> 1:07:16.640 of the day, if you can't switch off. Because you 1:07:16.680 --> 1:07:18.400 have that level of work, you have to find some 1:07:18.480 --> 1:07:20.720 other things that you can integrate into your life. So 1:07:20.880 --> 1:07:24.720 maybe that is meditation, maybe that is a YO class 1:07:24.840 --> 1:07:28.280 or some level of exercise. I can't stress this enough. 1:07:28.480 --> 1:07:31.360 Speaking of stress, it doesn't matter how busy you are. 1:07:31.720 --> 1:07:35.160 Incorporating thirty minutes to one hour of exercise a date 1:07:35.880 --> 1:07:38.360 is known to decrease of stress levels and personally it 1:07:38.400 --> 1:07:40.680 is so beneficial. So even when I run off my feet, 1:07:40.720 --> 1:07:42.840 I will like slap my laptop down and I will 1:07:42.920 --> 1:07:44.919 just go for a walk, get some vitamin D, get 1:07:44.920 --> 1:07:47.040 some fresh air, get some steps, and come back and 1:07:47.080 --> 1:07:49.920 I always feel better. So if you can't delegate and 1:07:49.960 --> 1:07:52.000 you can't do anything about the level of emails you've got, 1:07:52.120 --> 1:07:54.120 there are other little things you can put into your life. 1:07:54.600 --> 1:07:57.440 It feels completely counterintuitive, like I think, like when you 1:07:57.480 --> 1:07:59.760 say that, just make more time for it. It's like when 1:07:59.800 --> 1:08:02.680 some stress and they're like, just be less stress. But 1:08:02.800 --> 1:08:05.680 it truly is the case. The problem with when you 1:08:05.720 --> 1:08:09.360 get to that entire oversaturation that comes with being overwhelmed, 1:08:09.400 --> 1:08:12.439 you feel like everything is breaking down. But I guess 1:08:12.480 --> 1:08:14.040 one of the things that I read which I really 1:08:14.040 --> 1:08:16.200 loved and something that I've tried to implement in my 1:08:16.240 --> 1:08:19.599 own life is like, it's not a breakdown of your life, 1:08:19.640 --> 1:08:22.439 Like your life is not falling to shit, but your 1:08:22.439 --> 1:08:24.840 thought patterns are the way that you perceive your life 1:08:24.880 --> 1:08:26.960 is falling to shit, and that's probably where you need 1:08:27.000 --> 1:08:29.559 to start. The other thing, as well, is is that 1:08:29.760 --> 1:08:32.599 you might think that you don't have time to do anything, 1:08:32.680 --> 1:08:34.240 or to get anything done, or to be able to 1:08:34.280 --> 1:08:37.760 dedicate yourself to like getting through this task, as in, 1:08:37.800 --> 1:08:39.639 like you might not have time to go and exercise 1:08:39.680 --> 1:08:42.040 because the fucking the to do list is so long 1:08:42.080 --> 1:08:44.200 that you're already drowning. So you're like, I can't take 1:08:44.320 --> 1:08:46.479 an hour out for myself. But the problem is is 1:08:46.479 --> 1:08:49.160 like when we get to that level of oversaturation, we 1:08:49.200 --> 1:08:52.360 are doing all of these tasks at half capacity. We're 1:08:52.400 --> 1:08:56.920 so easily distracted, We're so easily to procrastinate because actually 1:08:56.960 --> 1:08:59.760 getting stuck into it is incredibly overwhelming. At the same time, 1:09:00.040 --> 1:09:03.120 it's this perpetual cycle that feeds into itself. Well, yeah, 1:09:03.160 --> 1:09:05.440 you can often go for the walk or the exercise 1:09:05.560 --> 1:09:07.960 and come back and you think you've wasted half an hour, 1:09:08.200 --> 1:09:10.240 but you're going to work more efficiently after that, so 1:09:10.320 --> 1:09:12.479 you're going to make up that time. All of these 1:09:12.520 --> 1:09:14.960 things have to be attacked in different ways. You can't 1:09:15.000 --> 1:09:16.960 just switch off from parenting, you know, you can't just 1:09:17.000 --> 1:09:17.960 say go for a for. 1:09:18.000 --> 1:09:20.479 Hawk, so I'm done, I'm locking you in your room. 1:09:20.840 --> 1:09:22.040 The kids will be fine. 1:09:22.400 --> 1:09:25.040 And that's why I think that parents are such a 1:09:25.080 --> 1:09:28.400 specific type. It's such a specific type of overwhelm. And 1:09:28.439 --> 1:09:32.240 that's where asking for help is so fucking important. Making 1:09:32.240 --> 1:09:34.320 sure you have the village around you, making sure you 1:09:34.400 --> 1:09:37.719 have the support systems so that when you aren't coping, 1:09:37.760 --> 1:09:39.720 there's somebody out there who can actually take a bit 1:09:39.760 --> 1:09:41.640 of the slack and give you that personal time to 1:09:41.640 --> 1:09:43.439 be able to get on top of your own thoughts. 1:09:44.240 --> 1:09:46.400 You can also look on your phone, so maybe you 1:09:46.400 --> 1:09:48.920 think you're not spending that much time scrolling on Instagram 1:09:49.439 --> 1:09:51.599 or doing mindless tasks on your phone. You can look 1:09:51.600 --> 1:09:53.240 on your phone, look at your screen time. Has it 1:09:53.280 --> 1:09:55.599 increased this week? How many hours are you spending If 1:09:55.640 --> 1:09:58.040 you know that your work is based ninety percent on 1:09:58.080 --> 1:10:01.720 your computer, and you'll phone comes back and cause you'll 1:10:01.720 --> 1:10:03.559 probably be surprised. Your phone might come back saying you 1:10:03.560 --> 1:10:06.400 spent four hours on there, that day. You can do 1:10:06.479 --> 1:10:10.040 things like you can put time caps. I know a 1:10:10.040 --> 1:10:11.640 lot of people that do. It's on their Instagram, so 1:10:11.640 --> 1:10:13.519 some people put twenty minutes and then it kicks them off. 1:10:13.520 --> 1:10:15.280 You can do that. There aren't things you can if 1:10:15.320 --> 1:10:17.519 you are so obsessed with it that you can't control yourself. 1:10:17.560 --> 1:10:19.639 But you have no self control, there are so many 1:10:19.640 --> 1:10:22.320 things in place to help you. Maybe if maybe you 1:10:22.320 --> 1:10:24.160 put your phone in another room for an hour, if 1:10:24.160 --> 1:10:25.599 you don't need it, if you're trying at the moment 1:10:25.680 --> 1:10:27.920 I'm trying to do a new job on my computer, 1:10:28.000 --> 1:10:29.759 you can put your phone away in another room. Because 1:10:29.840 --> 1:10:31.680 I am the worst for it too. I will be 1:10:32.400 --> 1:10:34.479 in amongst my emails. Sometimes I'll stop in the middle 1:10:34.520 --> 1:10:36.720 of an email and without even knowing, and I'll be 1:10:36.720 --> 1:10:38.519 on Instagram and I'm like, what do I do? What? 1:10:38.840 --> 1:10:41.080 Isn't it crazy? You just pick it up? I think 1:10:41.120 --> 1:10:44.680 if we actually had like more awareness around how we 1:10:44.720 --> 1:10:48.599 subconsciously use these things, Like it's so easy to be distracted. 1:10:48.680 --> 1:10:50.160 I was doing it last night when I was prepping 1:10:50.200 --> 1:10:52.439 for this. I was literally three quarters of the way through. 1:10:52.280 --> 1:10:55.360 Prepping this this fucking podcast record, and then I was like, 1:10:55.439 --> 1:10:57.840 why am I watching a meme of a cat licking 1:10:57.920 --> 1:11:00.799 a dog, Like, what am I doing that? That's what happens. 1:11:00.920 --> 1:11:02.400 I think it was only last week when we were 1:11:02.439 --> 1:11:05.280 just about to start an episode record and you were like, 1:11:05.280 --> 1:11:06.600 I've just got to quickly do this last bit of 1:11:06.640 --> 1:11:07.920 prep and I was like, yeah, no worries. And I 1:11:07.960 --> 1:11:09.679 looked over and I was like, Laura, you're on Instagram 1:11:09.720 --> 1:11:11.479 and you didn't even know how I got You were like, 1:11:11.479 --> 1:11:13.240 I don't know how I got here, because it's like 1:11:13.280 --> 1:11:15.920 it's subconscious. You're like, I'll do one quick swipe again 1:11:16.000 --> 1:11:18.200 before I get into my work, so we don't even 1:11:18.240 --> 1:11:20.160 realize we're doing it. But jump on your phone, have 1:11:20.200 --> 1:11:22.360 look at your screen time, have look at your Instagram time. 1:11:22.680 --> 1:11:25.040 And it's definitely something that I think we can all 1:11:25.080 --> 1:11:25.880 think about and. 1:11:25.800 --> 1:11:27.800 Do a little bit better reassessing what is it that 1:11:27.840 --> 1:11:29.680 makes you happy in life? How can you kind of 1:11:29.800 --> 1:11:32.839 call back a bit of you time and be really, 1:11:33.080 --> 1:11:36.280 like we said, be really really conscious of what it 1:11:36.360 --> 1:11:38.080 is that you're consuming, of what it is that you're 1:11:38.080 --> 1:11:40.559 putting your energy and your time into, and putting those 1:11:40.560 --> 1:11:43.800 boundaries in place to say no, all right, guys, it 1:11:43.840 --> 1:11:46.200 is time for our suck and our suite, our highlight 1:11:46.280 --> 1:11:48.599 and our low light of each and every week. Britt, 1:11:48.640 --> 1:11:50.040 do you want to kick it off or do you 1:11:50.080 --> 1:11:50.519 want me to? 1:11:51.400 --> 1:11:51.599 Yeah? 1:11:51.600 --> 1:11:54.519 I can kick it off all right. My suck is 1:11:54.560 --> 1:11:56.320 that I can watch my parents' house. And I brought 1:11:56.360 --> 1:11:59.960 to Lilah. Now, my parents have two dogs and a cat, 1:12:00.080 --> 1:12:01.880 a cat named George. Now I'm not a cat person, 1:12:02.240 --> 1:12:04.760 but Delilah has never met a cat. Delilah doesn't know 1:12:04.760 --> 1:12:06.880 what cats are. She's never seen them. She's just a 1:12:06.920 --> 1:12:09.519 city's looking dog that goes to the beach and comes home. 1:12:09.680 --> 1:12:14.920 She's never been around them. Anyway. She last night, I 1:12:14.960 --> 1:12:17.240 could hear a kerfuffle and I came out of my room. 1:12:17.240 --> 1:12:19.080 I'm talking like two am, and she was chasing this 1:12:19.120 --> 1:12:20.519 poor cat around the house and I didn't know what 1:12:20.520 --> 1:12:22.200 she's going to do with him once she got to him. 1:12:22.600 --> 1:12:25.800 So I ended up having to take George the cat 1:12:26.000 --> 1:12:28.759 and put him in my room so that Delilah couldn't 1:12:28.760 --> 1:12:31.519 be around him all night. And he literally I didn't 1:12:31.520 --> 1:12:33.120 know this because I've never really had a cat. He 1:12:33.200 --> 1:12:35.559 slept on my head the whole night. So that was 1:12:35.560 --> 1:12:36.960 what my night was. And I was like, why do 1:12:37.000 --> 1:12:39.360 people get cats if they sleep on your face all night. 1:12:39.400 --> 1:12:41.120 I was like, I couldn't work it out. I'm like, 1:12:41.200 --> 1:12:43.120 is this normal cat behavior? 1:12:43.400 --> 1:12:45.200 I have seen what your dog has done to a 1:12:45.200 --> 1:12:46.880 pair of shoes, so I'm glad that you went and 1:12:46.920 --> 1:12:49.280 savage the cat. But also, yes, this is what cats do. 1:12:49.400 --> 1:12:51.240 That's why if you have a newborn baby and you 1:12:51.240 --> 1:12:53.320 have a cat, they say that you have to keep 1:12:53.360 --> 1:12:55.599 the cat away because the cats can go and sleep 1:12:55.600 --> 1:12:58.240 on their faces and suffocate them because they're warm, so 1:12:58.280 --> 1:12:59.800 they just want to be on you and around you, 1:13:00.120 --> 1:13:01.400 like in your personal space. 1:13:01.560 --> 1:13:03.559 Oh you really brought that down quickly, Laura. That would 1:13:03.560 --> 1:13:05.519 have been a real suck. But anyway, what is your 1:13:05.640 --> 1:13:08.519 suite for the week? My sweet is that my niece 1:13:08.520 --> 1:13:10.840 and nephew, like my brother's little kids, are here and 1:13:10.840 --> 1:13:12.120 I haven't seen them in a long time, and we've 1:13:12.120 --> 1:13:15.240 just had the most beautiful time getting ice cream, getting dinner. 1:13:15.360 --> 1:13:17.080 I gave them both five dollar note and they just 1:13:17.120 --> 1:13:18.479 thought I was the best thing in the world. I'm 1:13:18.520 --> 1:13:22.200 definitely buying their love. So that's a trick of the trade. 1:13:22.240 --> 1:13:23.960 If you haven't seen your nephews in a while. Nieces 1:13:24.000 --> 1:13:25.800 and nephews given them some money, but it's just been 1:13:25.840 --> 1:13:27.120 really nice to have some family time. 1:13:27.600 --> 1:13:29.880 Who do you think is like the crazy auntie? Do 1:13:29.920 --> 1:13:31.519 you get to be the crazy auntie or they think 1:13:31.520 --> 1:13:33.679 that you're like the normal auntie, the cool auntie. 1:13:33.760 --> 1:13:35.960 So it was so funny because Sherry and Jay were 1:13:36.040 --> 1:13:38.919 arriving about the same time. They were driving from Queensland. 1:13:38.960 --> 1:13:41.719 I was driving from Sydney put McQuary's in the middle, 1:13:41.840 --> 1:13:44.720 so we left at the same time. But when they 1:13:44.720 --> 1:13:46.760 pulled up, they told me, they were like, damn it, 1:13:46.800 --> 1:13:48.800 Britney's already here. She's already going to be buying their 1:13:48.840 --> 1:13:51.000 love because she's going to make them love, because that's 1:13:51.040 --> 1:13:53.280 what we do. We all compete for the children's love. 1:13:53.400 --> 1:13:55.240 So they were like, damn it, she's she's definitely going 1:13:55.280 --> 1:13:56.800 to give them money. She's going to have already bought 1:13:56.800 --> 1:13:58.960 them my ice creams, so they love her more than 1:13:58.960 --> 1:14:01.640 they love them. And it was true. And they walked in, 1:14:01.720 --> 1:14:03.080 She's like, what have you given them so far? It's 1:14:03.080 --> 1:14:05.320 like we I've given them five dollars, I've given them chocolate. 1:14:06.000 --> 1:14:08.519 She's like, damn, there's nothing left for me. I'm like, 1:14:08.600 --> 1:14:10.840 you're bribing them with five dollars Molly's way to love 1:14:10.880 --> 1:14:12.280 her is like you just give her. You give her 1:14:12.280 --> 1:14:14.720 a gold coin. It's like she's like a little magpie. 1:14:14.760 --> 1:14:16.960 She just wants like a gold coin donation. And she 1:14:17.000 --> 1:14:18.920 has a little collection of gold coins that she carries 1:14:18.960 --> 1:14:20.920 around in a little cup or whatever it is. She 1:14:21.000 --> 1:14:22.679 was I was like, Mummy, I need some more money. 1:14:22.680 --> 1:14:25.120 I was like, yeah, me too. Pixies five, she knows 1:14:25.120 --> 1:14:26.759 that gold coin doesn't get you fire anymore. 1:14:28.080 --> 1:14:31.160 Okay, my sweet for the week is, Oh, my suck. 1:14:31.240 --> 1:14:34.080 My suck is that you know when you spend all 1:14:34.160 --> 1:14:36.519 fucking day cleaning and you think you're like, I'm gonna 1:14:36.520 --> 1:14:39.080 have a deep clean day, and then the deep clean 1:14:39.120 --> 1:14:41.200 day just makes you really angry for no reason, just 1:14:41.200 --> 1:14:42.919 because you had to clean your own apartment. 1:14:43.200 --> 1:14:45.280 That was my suck. Well, it's not for no reason. 1:14:45.439 --> 1:14:47.840 You spent the whole day cleaning. Yeah, but cleaning just 1:14:47.840 --> 1:14:48.439 makes me mad. 1:14:48.520 --> 1:14:51.479 So we spent all of Sunday pretty much cleaning, and 1:14:51.520 --> 1:14:53.840 then I felt really residually mad after the whole thing. 1:14:53.920 --> 1:14:55.240 So that was my suck. 1:14:55.400 --> 1:14:57.240 And also the other part of the suck is like 1:14:57.280 --> 1:14:59.519 every time we actually clean, I never feel like the 1:14:59.520 --> 1:15:02.680 house is clear, Like we clean and then instantly it 1:15:02.760 --> 1:15:05.040 is equally as messy as what it was before we 1:15:05.120 --> 1:15:06.920 even started, Like I can never tell the difference. 1:15:07.000 --> 1:15:09.120 So that is my suck. My sweep for the week 1:15:09.240 --> 1:15:13.080 is kid related. Lola took her first steps this week. Yeah, 1:15:13.560 --> 1:15:17.120 she was at daycare, so I didn't see. I didn't 1:15:17.120 --> 1:15:18.360 even see her very first steps. 1:15:18.400 --> 1:15:20.519 She was at daycare, but she basically was like holding 1:15:20.560 --> 1:15:23.840 on to the little play equipment and then she just 1:15:23.880 --> 1:15:26.160 like motored across the room. She just walked the length 1:15:26.160 --> 1:15:28.280 of the daycare, none of this like one step, two 1:15:28.280 --> 1:15:29.200 step fucking around. 1:15:29.280 --> 1:15:30.160 She was out of there. 1:15:30.560 --> 1:15:32.679 And then when I went to pick her up from daycare, 1:15:32.880 --> 1:15:33.759 just ran a marathon. 1:15:33.880 --> 1:15:37.120 She went zeroed around. She literally probably already known how 1:15:37.120 --> 1:15:39.240 to do it for a while, but she's so lazy 1:15:39.280 --> 1:15:41.679 that she's like I don't need to walk anywhere. Someone's 1:15:41.720 --> 1:15:42.320 going to carry me. 1:15:42.640 --> 1:15:44.479 And then I got to daycare and the woman from 1:15:44.520 --> 1:15:46.040 daycare was like holding her hands. 1:15:45.840 --> 1:15:47.720 And she was like, they go walk to mummy, and she. 1:15:47.760 --> 1:15:50.599 Just cruised across the room and walked me and it 1:15:50.640 --> 1:15:52.599 was the best thing ever. So although I'm a terrible 1:15:52.640 --> 1:15:54.759 mum because I missed her first steps, so now she's walking. 1:15:54.920 --> 1:15:56.280 So now Lola is walking. 1:15:56.720 --> 1:15:59.160 You are not a terrible mama, I know, but you 1:15:59.160 --> 1:16:01.600 always get this gilt right like you. Of course you 1:16:01.680 --> 1:16:03.400 have to send them to daycare because it's just part 1:16:03.400 --> 1:16:06.120 and parcel of literally living life and getting stuff done. 1:16:06.240 --> 1:16:07.960 But then on the flip side of it, you miss 1:16:08.040 --> 1:16:11.280 these milestones and you think you get the guilt. I 1:16:11.320 --> 1:16:13.599 think every mom who kind of misses those milestones gets 1:16:13.640 --> 1:16:14.200 guilt for it. 1:16:14.560 --> 1:16:16.720 Well, that is it, guys. I can't wait to see 1:16:16.760 --> 1:16:19.240 a walk. I'm gonna I'm gonna go for a little 1:16:19.280 --> 1:16:22.160 run with it. When when does they run? Things has 1:16:22.160 --> 1:16:23.000 happened now that they were. 1:16:23.040 --> 1:16:24.920 She did it once and now she's like cool, I 1:16:24.960 --> 1:16:26.360 know I can do it, and I'm not interested. 1:16:26.400 --> 1:16:28.920 She's that a crawling. She's literally regressed in the space 1:16:28.960 --> 1:16:31.080 a week. But anyway, guys, that is it from us. 1:16:31.200 --> 1:16:32.720 We hope that you enjoyed the episode. We hope that 1:16:32.720 --> 1:16:35.040 you learned something. If you're feeling like you are in 1:16:35.080 --> 1:16:37.479 a state of perpetual overwhelm at the moment, know that 1:16:37.520 --> 1:16:41.519 you are absolutely not alone. Please to you mom, tea dad, 1:16:41.520 --> 1:16:44.760 tea dog. Tell your friends your share because we love 1:17:00.160 --> 1:17:04.000 Bagaboo kabaa Bambers,