1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: All right, cheeky one, heads up, Saucy Secrets is about 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: to start. 3 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 2: Now. 4 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: This isn't your average radio chat. It has adult themes 5 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: and some sexual references. We're diving into real confessions, spicy fantasies, 6 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 1: and some real jaw dropping stories. So if you're easily shocked, 7 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: maybe go find a gardening show. But if you're ready 8 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: for some fun, a little scandal and absolutely no judgment, 9 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: you're in the right safe place. 10 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 3: Real people, real confessions. It's Saucy Secrets. 11 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: I'm kiss Saucy Secrets. Welcome back to Saucy Secrets. I'm 12 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: Sex and Dating columnists Jannah Hawking joining me. It's radio 13 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: extraordinary MC, thank you, thank you, sanch I. Now you 14 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: love when I say that. And we have a big 15 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: show coming up. Just looking at the run sheet, we're 16 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: talking lovender marriages, which are so hot right now, we've 17 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: got a famous Aussies. Good on. 18 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 2: I'm concerned about something that's on the run sheet. 19 00:00:58,640 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 3: I've never come in. 20 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: I enjoy coming in, I enjoy spending my time with you, 21 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: I enjoy doing this show. 22 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 3: But I'm looking at the run sheet. 23 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm actually concerned that my appearance will be judged Oh. 24 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: No, it is. It is because coming up next, I 25 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: am going through the seven things men wear that give 26 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: us the biggest ick. You men have had a lot 27 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: of say on what we've been wearing. Oh my god, 28 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: I wore a shirt and tie on one of the 29 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: recent episodes. 30 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 3: Got a lot of dms about that. Then, are no 31 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 3: fence if I put on a shit shirt. I thought 32 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 3: I looked alright. I thought this was okay. 33 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: Well you'll find out in the next segment. Now, I've 34 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: had a lot of men sliding into my dms for years, 35 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: telling me what looks good on me, what doesn't look 36 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: good on me? 37 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 3: By a minute? You mean men can be entitled on 38 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 3: the incidet. 39 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: It's outrage. 40 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 3: Don't believe it has never happened. 41 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: But I've also been on a lot of dates with 42 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: guys who have turned up in the worst clothes and 43 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: we're already off to your back. 44 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: I thought you were about to say you've turned up 45 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 2: on dates and the blokes have told you that they 46 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: don't like your outfit to your face. 47 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: No, they just want to get me out of. 48 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: The app Oh, don't care what the clothes look as 49 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: long as they're on the bedroom flow. 50 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: Maybe on the first date. Maybe not. But there was 51 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: an article that went viral recently on Daily Mail. One 52 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: of my fellow columnists decided to put together eleven things 53 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: that women wear that he can't stand, and I was like, really, well, 54 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: after years of being told what like you don't like 55 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: about us, I've put together a list of stuff that 56 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: we don't like men wearing. And it's you know, if 57 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: you want to turn up to a date, have your 58 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: best foot forward. Maybe you got divorced, you're back on 59 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: the market. Here is not what to wear, and you 60 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: should be nervous. 61 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: I really wish I'd read this article and done my 62 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: research before choosing my outfit today. 63 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: You have broken one, but that's not my first one. 64 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 1: My first one is ill fitting ties. I don't understand 65 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: gents like you can repeat wear clothes all the time, 66 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: but when it comes to weddings or you know, christenings 67 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: or things like that, you always have one tie and 68 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: it's from either your school formal, your school. 69 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 2: Clothes, the really big, wide, shiny one that you've had 70 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:08,839 Speaker 2: from t say Taro Cash. 71 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 3: Now they do great ties. 72 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 1: No, no, they're fine, But I have a theory, right, 73 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: And this got a few people upset. In the comment 74 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 1: section when I wrote about this, we women spend hundreds, 75 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: if not thousands of dollars on outfits. You can repeat 76 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: now I've done a bit of research. You can get 77 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: a beautiful wire cell or deal or like a beautiful 78 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: European branded tie for at the most five hundred dollars. 79 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: We couldn't even get one shoe from these brands for 80 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: five hundred dollars. It's that's the only thing you will 81 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: have to spend. We need a new dress for every 82 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: event we go for for the Gram, you can get away. 83 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: I invest in one five hundred dollars tie, and then 84 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: you can wear your beautiful Tarot Cash or whatever outfit 85 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: and we'll all think you're wearing Gucci because you're wearing 86 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: a beautiful Gucci tie. Also, stop putting it down near 87 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: your crutch or. 88 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: Up to tiant to touch your dick. It's meant to 89 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: sort of just sit above your pant right just above. 90 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: The belt line. 91 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 92 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: Perfect, sort out the tie situation. Okay, the next one 93 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: you say you're not wearing them, but you are. The 94 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: next one is death to skinny jeans. 95 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 2: In my defense, these are slim, not skinny. There's a 96 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: difference and it's only because I'm sitting down that my 97 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: girthy thighs are wrapping the jeans around my legs. 98 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: No, no, no, they're skinny at here's the reason as well. 99 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: And this got me in trouble when I wrote about this. Men, 100 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: you either don't have bombs, so go straight from your 101 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: back to your legs, yeah, or you do have bombs 102 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: and every time so you've got a booth. Don't like 103 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: if you squat or sit down in front of us. 104 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: We don't want to see what you ate for breakfast. 105 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: So death to the skinny jeans. 106 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 3: Lucky you're wearing slim. 107 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: The next one I feel like you probably do wear 108 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: is the baggy gym shorts. 109 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 3: You're assuming that I go to the gym, which is hilarious. 110 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: So many men were your jym shawts out And the 111 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: first thing that comes to my mind is like low 112 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 1: hanging sweaty balls. All I keep thinking about is just 113 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: your balls hanging loose in these ugly dreams. They're pajamas 114 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: and you're wearing them out in public. Death to those 115 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: right this one, I'm very passionate about the thongs or 116 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: the croc situations. I've had two guys turn up to dates. 117 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: In thongs so toky to wear them, like if you're 118 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: in the backyard or you're going to the beach, sure, beach. 119 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:26,239 Speaker 3: Fine makes sense. 120 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: Not even to the pub. They're not good. Also, if 121 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: you embellish your crocs. 122 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 2: Straight toed do they call them gibbets? Gibbets the little 123 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: things that they steer gibbets or giblets? 124 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, and may I never not know because 125 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: they're horrific straight to jow oh flashy jewelry or like 126 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 1: you know how guys wear all of those bands that 127 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: they got from like a lad's trip to Thailand, or 128 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: the thick necklaces so gross, so oh oh my god, 129 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 1: you are wearing them, oh, straight to jails straight. 130 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: But I even get them from a lad's trip. It's 131 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 2: like tiger eye. There's an evil eye. There's like a 132 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: like a nice silver bracelet. 133 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 4: Is that? 134 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 5: See? 135 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: I would just keep the silver bracelet? 136 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 3: What did I know? 137 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: The jury is for the women. We don't want you 138 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: looking like mister t the next one or cargo shorts 139 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: and graphic teas. Okay with those jack black like if 140 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: your whole personality is like burst bood drinker in the world, 141 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: or you've got those horrific hippie shirts. 142 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: I do remember when I was a young man, I 143 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 2: used to wear and I thought it was hilarious and 144 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: it said how to pick up chicks and it was 145 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 2: three diagrams. I think I got it from JJ's like 146 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 2: in the late nineties, and it was a diagram of 147 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: a person picking up like it like an actual chicken. 148 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: Oh see that joke. 149 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 3: What a cool guy. 150 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: Chuck out your cargo shorts, You're not going through the bush. 151 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: Chuck out your graphic teas. That doesn't give you a personality, 152 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: just a beautiful linen shirt. And finally the two small 153 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: polo shirts. We get that you go to the gym. 154 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: We love that you go to the gym, but if 155 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: you're showing more cleavage than me, get out, get out. 156 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: And also why do men get them where they really 157 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: cinch at the arm, Like what is the purpose of them? No, 158 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: you're fine, you pass with that, but it just makes 159 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: you look like a wenka, like a gym junkie wnker. 160 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: We have talked about all kinds of things on the show, 161 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 2: and I've never been more uncomfortable and more nervous in 162 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 2: my life. 163 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: Good because now you know how women feel. Joining us 164 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: today is a man named Marty, all the way from Phoenix, Arizona. Marty, 165 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: what is your saucy secret. 166 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 4: My saucy secret is I am gay and I have 167 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 4: a wife. 168 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: How does that. 169 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 2: Like? 170 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: How did this happen? 171 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 4: It's called a lauvender marriage. 172 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: Oh, they're very hot right now. How does the loving 173 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: the marriage work? Because I think I want one. 174 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 4: I think many women do well. A modern day labyrin 175 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 4: marriage is when a gay man and a straight woman 176 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 4: really decide to build a life together. So it's something. 177 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 4: It's about purpose. It's not a cover like it used 178 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 4: to be in the twenties. It was created in Hollywood 179 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 4: as a cover, but everyone is talking about it now. 180 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 4: It's not a secret. It's really just two people who 181 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,239 Speaker 4: know they're going to make an incredible team. 182 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: Oh I love that because my stepdad had a serious 183 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: word with me a little while ago. He sat me down, 184 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: he was all very serious and he goes, Jenna, I 185 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: think I've discovered why you don't have a boyfriend. And 186 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: I said why and he goes, because you just keep 187 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 1: hanging out with gay men, how are you gonna make 188 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 1: any straight ones? 189 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's certainly a demographic of women. We call them 190 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 4: fruit flies. This is the gays, and they're usually beautiful 191 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 4: women like yourself. 192 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: Oh thank you. I'm happy to be a fruit fly. 193 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: But how does it work in terms of sex and relations? Like, 194 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: you've got kids to you? 195 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 6: I do? 196 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 4: I have one daughter? 197 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 1: Yes, So does that mean you've slept together in a 198 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: marriage sense or was that a turkey base? 199 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 4: No, it was a marriage sense. So we were in 200 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 4: a legacy marriage I like to call it, for eleven years. 201 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 4: And then I came out again again to her because 202 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 4: I actually came out when we first got together, and 203 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 4: that is a true lavender marriage. And then eleven years 204 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 4: into the marriage, during the whole pandemic, I really started 205 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 4: thinking about things and was like, I need to be 206 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 4: an out gay man. And so we had another tough 207 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 4: conversation and we've spent the last three years kind of 208 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 4: transitioning our marriage, if you will, into a true lavender 209 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 4: marriage today. 210 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 2: So can I ask, and I'll do this as delicately 211 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 2: as I can. How do you scratch the itch that 212 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: you're clearly not going to get scratch being in this 213 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 2: lavender marriage? 214 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 4: That is a great question. We have data plans and 215 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 4: so we communicate with each other. We are you know, absolutely, 216 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 4: I don't like to use the word aloud, but we 217 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 4: communicate to each other. We really planned when we went 218 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 4: into this, and again it's been a very long drawn 219 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 4: out thing, if you will. We've really put a lot 220 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 4: of work and effort, counseling therapy into what this marriage 221 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 4: looks like. And so we really planned for it to evolve. 222 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 4: We know that, you know, maybe that person is going 223 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 4: to come along for either one of us at some 224 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 4: point in time, and we want to make sure that 225 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 4: that person obviously fits the dynamic of our family and 226 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 4: they have to love either one of us in order 227 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 4: to do either one of us, if you will. And 228 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 4: I'm going to make sure that any man she's with 229 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 4: is not gay this time. 230 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: Yes, that's just being a good that's just being a 231 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: good husband, you know what I mean. 232 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 4: You've got it. You've got to do that for your wife. 233 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: Right And are you worried that she will fall in 234 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: love with the guy that will want to you know, 235 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: move into the house or play step dad or change 236 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 1: the dynamic? 237 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 4: You know, I'm not worried about it. It is something 238 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 4: again that we've really planned for. It's something that. You know, 239 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 4: when I look back at when I was in my 240 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 4: legacy marriage, if you will, that was something that I 241 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 4: had a lot of guilt about. 242 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 7: You know. 243 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 4: I always felt in some ways like I wasn't a 244 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 4: real man in every way, and even we had an 245 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 4: intimate relationship. We obviously have a child. I just always 246 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 4: knew I wasn't as affectionate and didn't love her in 247 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 4: all those ways like I should. And so at the 248 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 4: end of the day, yes, it will, it will hurt. 249 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 4: That's still my wife. I've been with her for seventeen years. 250 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 4: But I will. I know she will pick a great 251 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 4: man and I will be happy to see her, you know, 252 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 4: get some really, I try. 253 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 3: To push her out there. 254 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 4: She always acts like it's a surprise when somebody hits 255 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 4: on her, and I was like, you're you're a bomb bitch, 256 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 4: you know, get it girl. 257 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 2: So yeah, how old is your daughter? And if she's 258 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: old enough, what does she know of the Lavender marriage? 259 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 2: What is her understanding? How have you communicated this with her? 260 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 4: She lives in a house with Mouth of the South here, 261 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 4: who's on social media every day. Yes, she is fully 262 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 4: aware of the Lavender marriage. She is To answer your question, 263 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 4: she is fourteen going on life coach. 264 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 3: I got good good. 265 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 4: She does know about it when I told her. I 266 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 4: actually told her two years after I came out at 267 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 4: work and after I, you know, came out again to 268 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 4: my wife again. Very thoughtfully planned, appropriately timed. 269 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: All of it. 270 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 4: I had a therapist that helped me map all of 271 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 4: this out. And honestly, kids these days, they they don't 272 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 4: look at sexuality and put as much empasit on it 273 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 4: as we do. It was kind of a blip in 274 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 4: the radar for her. She really doesn't give a shit. 275 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 4: She said, she helps. My boyfriend is nice, and then 276 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 4: she kind of laughed when she thought about her mom 277 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 4: having a boyfriend who she actually talked to her therapist 278 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 4: about it, and she was like, my mom, she's not 279 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 4: going to get a boyfriend. 280 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 3: But she will. 281 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 1: I think I want to love into marriage. 282 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 8: We're building the framework, the blueprints. 283 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 6: So here for me on a LAMA list. 284 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 2: I want to find you. They want to they want 285 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 2: to learn more about your lavender marriage. 286 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 3: Can I Why can I do that? Where can we 287 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 3: find you? 288 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 4: They can follow me on TikTok or Instagram at It's 289 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 4: Mick Marty Fly, or they can go to Lama dot Life, 290 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 4: which is my website landing page. There's a lot more. 291 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 4: There's podcasts about us there, there is blog post on 292 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 4: there and of course the wait list for my lavender 293 00:12:58,240 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 4: marriage app that's l l M. 294 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: A late will be joining. 295 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 2: Well. Look, we wish you the best, good luck in 296 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 2: this current version of your lavender marriage and whatever the 297 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 2: future might hold. 298 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming on, Soucy Secrets. We 299 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 3: appreciate it. 300 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Love you. Today's guest is one 301 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: of Australia's top escorts and she has seen everything, the secrets, 302 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: the scandals, the world requests, even a married man who 303 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 1: dropped forty five grand on her. But with over forty 304 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: two thousand followers and a reputation for brutal honesty, she's 305 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: here to spill what men really get up to behind 306 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: closed doors. Please welcome Lilith Lodge. 307 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,119 Speaker 8: Hello, guys, what made. 308 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: You want to get into escording? 309 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 6: Look, it was kind of a progression. I started out 310 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 6: in I guess the easier elements of sex work. So 311 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 6: I started out as a cam goal and I did 312 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 6: a night industrip club back when I was like nineteen. 313 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 8: From there, I progressed and did a full year. 314 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 6: As a dancer, and it kind of got a little 315 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 6: money hungry and I wanted something more, and therefore I 316 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 6: ended up as a full service escort. 317 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 8: So yeah, it's been great. 318 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 6: I've had a really great experience so far, and I've 319 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 6: learned a lot of things, particularly about men. 320 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, can you tell. 321 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: Us some of those things, because you get to see 322 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: them at their most vulnerable and their most primal. What's 323 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 1: something that surprised you about the men who do book 324 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: your services? 325 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 6: I think the most surprising thing for me was that 326 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 6: a lot of them, it's not just about the sex. 327 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 6: Like when you think of an escort, you think she 328 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 6: spends the entire time or five hour booking or four 329 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 6: hour booking having sex. But for a lot of them, 330 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 6: the emotional connection and having somebody that they can talk 331 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 6: to about literally anything and everything is really important to them. 332 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 8: I think that was quite surprising to me. I've had 333 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 8: a lot of men book me and not even have 334 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 8: sex at all. 335 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: Really, I'd be a little bit offended if someone walked 336 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: to me. 337 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: Is it like when you go to the hairdresser or 338 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 2: the barber for some reason, You're just will open up 339 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 2: to that person because they're completely removed from your friendship circle, 340 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 2: your family see feel comfortable with them. 341 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 3: What kind of stuff you talk about with this bloe? 342 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 4: Yeah? 343 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 6: Absolutely, I think two people being naked laying in a 344 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 6: bed together when I know none of their family, not 345 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 6: like their workplace, nothing like that, no one in their life. 346 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 6: They feel a lot more comfortable opening up to me 347 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 6: about a lot of things. This could be things like, 348 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,119 Speaker 6: you know, troubles in their marriage, or you know, traumatic 349 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 6: experiences they've had in life, someone passing away. They will 350 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 6: just trauma dump on me while I'm there, and I'm 351 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 6: all there for it. 352 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 8: I'm happy to do it. 353 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: Well, you're kind of like a therapist. Now, you've been 354 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: quite open about the fact that a lot of married 355 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: men come to see you. I have a theory that 356 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: married men tend to go to escorts because it's the 357 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: madonna whore theory. Have you heard about this? Okay, So 358 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: a lot of men see their wives as a madonna, 359 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: someone who's beautiful and who they have nice, sweet, missionary 360 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: sex with, but they're too scared to tell them about 361 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: their kinks, so they go to someone who they can 362 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: pay to try out things that they might be too 363 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: nervous to ask their wife. Have you found that? 364 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think this is a big part of the 365 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 6: reason why they come and see someone like me. 366 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 8: A lot of these guys have some sort. 367 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 6: Of unusual thing that they are into and they just 368 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 6: don't feel comfortable asking their wife, or if they do, 369 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 6: she's kind of shut them down about it earlier on 370 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 6: and they've just never mentioned it again. 371 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: What are some of the things. 372 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 8: Some of the most. 373 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 6: Unusual would probably be fart requests, which. 374 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 3: I'm thinking, what can you can you fart on me? 375 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: They get they can like they get off on farting. 376 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 6: I'm your forgu Yeah, So I'd say that's probably the 377 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 6: most out there thing that I have done. I have 378 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 6: a couple of clients who have a thing for women 379 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 6: farthing on them. It's a domination sort of thing. They 380 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 6: want it to be like, you know, take that. 381 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 8: Do them, And it is quite unusual. 382 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 6: Because I mean, when are they going to be able 383 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 6: to ask a girlfriend or a wife to fart in 384 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 6: their face? 385 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 8: It just wouldn't happen. 386 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 6: There are some other unusual things I would say, like 387 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 6: pegging or I get a lot of feet guys. That's 388 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 6: actually quite common, but they just don't feel comfortable asking 389 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 6: their girlfriend or their partner for that sort of thing, 390 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 6: because they'll think that it's weird. 391 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: I think pegging is way more common than people think. 392 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: I get when I used to run source his secrets 393 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: on my Instagram, so many guys well like, I'm into pegging. 394 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: I'm into pegging. Do you think it will ever be normalized? 395 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 6: I wish it was, Honestly, it's one of my favorite 396 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 6: things to do. I actually had a scene doing that yesterday, 397 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 6: so it's like fresh in my mind. 398 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 8: I love it. 399 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 6: I think it's just it's really taboo for them to 400 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 6: talk about, right because a lot of people like, oh, 401 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 6: that's gay. 402 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 8: You know, if you're into that, you're gay. And I 403 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 8: think it just puts all. 404 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 6: This stigma around it. But it is quite a common 405 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 6: request for us, to be honest. 406 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: And isn't that where a men's geese spot is up there? 407 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 6: But yes, okay, so why would they put it in 408 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 6: there if they weren't meant to have anything in there? 409 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: Exactly, they must experience it. A friend of mine tried 410 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: it the other day with her partner, and she actually 411 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: put her hip out because she didn't realize how much 412 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: like thrust goes in the stretch. 413 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 3: She wasn't Limba wasn't ready. 414 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: We've never had to do it, so we don't know 415 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 1: how much effort you guys actually put in. 416 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 2: Bravo, guys, good cardigo. How many married men come in 417 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 2: with the permission of their wives or their wives know 418 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 2: that they're in there with you? Is that something that happens. 419 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 6: Yeah, this does happen. It is quite rare, but it 420 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 6: does happen. But one comes to mind immediately. He was 421 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 6: a guy who booked me for an hour, walked into 422 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 6: my apartment, gives me the money, and he's. 423 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 8: Talking to me. He's like, my wife knows that i'm here. 424 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 8: She actually booked you, and I didn't want to see you. 425 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 6: You're not my type, but she said that you were 426 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 6: the one that she wanted me to see. So she 427 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 6: picked me out and I asked him a few questions. 428 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 6: I was like, oh, this is interesting. I haven't heard 429 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 6: about this before. And he's like, yeah, I'm allowed four 430 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 6: a year, one per quarter for one hour each. I 431 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 6: can't do one once because I'll get too attached. 432 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: Oh my god. So wait, is that because she doesn't 433 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: want to have sex with him or because she wants 434 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: him to have variety? 435 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 4: Yeah? 436 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 8: She doesn't have sex with him, That's what he said. 437 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: So we only get sex four times a year. That's 438 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: soo sad. 439 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder what the criteria was when she was 440 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 2: selecting the right person for him. Clearly it was you know, 441 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,479 Speaker 2: the best of the best, and that's why you were 442 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 2: chosen naturally obviously. 443 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: Now, what's the most common insecurity clients have when they 444 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: come to see you? Like, is there anything that stands 445 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: out that they're a bit insecure about? 446 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 6: I feel like the most common one I encounter is 447 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 6: the size of their dick. 448 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 8: I don't know what it is a man, but I 449 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 8: think it stems from. 450 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 6: Watching porn and they're seeing the extreme, like the monster 451 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 6: Cox is what they're seeing, and they're thinking that is 452 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 6: what's considered large. 453 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 8: And a lot of them are regular or large. 454 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 6: Sizing condoms coming to see me and being like, oh, 455 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 6: I know it's small, and I'm like, babe, you're actually 456 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 6: a large. 457 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 8: Sizing condoms like, this is not small. 458 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 6: I've even had someone who was a supermax, which is 459 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 6: the biggest size of condom that we have here in Australia, 460 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 6: and he's like, oh, yeah, I know, it's regular sizing, Like, Babe, 461 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 6: that thing is huge. 462 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 1: Can you please help settle the debate because I always say, 463 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: women don't want really big ones. We just want to 464 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: normal size one and we just want you to know 465 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: how to use it. Do you find that because it 466 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: does always start a debate whenever I say that, Yeah. 467 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 6: I'm not really interested in the really big ones, like 468 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 6: especially super mats. They can be really painful, especially if 469 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 6: they're by rough and they don't build you up properly. 470 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 6: Like that can be a painful experience, especially for women 471 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 6: who don't do my job and they're not super experienced 472 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 6: with all of that. You know, it can be a lot. 473 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 6: You need a lot of loop to get the thing 474 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 6: in there. I think a regular even a slim, like 475 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 6: a slightly smaller one that's like you think they need 476 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 6: to be about three inches long really to hit the 477 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 6: right spot, So three inches and above they can still 478 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 6: make you come. 479 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: Oh thank god you said that, because no one ever 480 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: believes me. I'm like, it's true. If we have to 481 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: do breathing exercises to sleep with you, we don't want 482 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: any part of it. And what are you thinking about, 483 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: like when you're having sex with them, are you like 484 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: in the moment, are you enjoying it, because I spoke 485 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: to an escort a few years ago and she said 486 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: that she was just mentally going through her shopping list, like, Oh, 487 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: I've got to go pick up the steak before I 488 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: go and pick up the kids after school. What are 489 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: you thinking about when you're having sex with these men? 490 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 8: Oh my god. 491 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 6: I can imagine if I was often like Dreamland and 492 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 6: they're like dirty talking to me and I'm not paying attention. 493 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 8: I would never get repeat business. 494 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 6: They'd be like, oh, yeah, do you like that? And 495 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 6: I'd be like thinking about my shopping list. No, I'm 496 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 6: very present with my clients. I can understand that a 497 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 6: lot of girls may just switch off. I feel like 498 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 6: at my price point that I'm charging and all that 499 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 6: sort of thing, I really need to be on it 500 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 6: and I need to be super present or else I'm 501 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 6: not going to get any work and I'm not going 502 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 6: to get repeat clientele. So for me, I'm very much 503 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 6: in the moment and focusing on what's happening and trying 504 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 6: to figure out are they enjoying that? 505 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 8: Do I need to slow down? Do I need to 506 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 8: speed up? 507 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 6: You know that's kind of more where my brain is 508 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 6: very much in it. 509 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 2: Is it sometimes really hard to be in that moment 510 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 2: because I'm assuming sometimes you've got clients that come in 511 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 2: for one of a bit of terms or a bit 512 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: gross and they are just the furthest thing from the 513 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 2: type of person you want to get intimate with. Is 514 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 2: it sometimes really difficult. 515 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 3: To do your job? 516 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 2: To me? 517 00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 8: Not really. 518 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 6: And the funny thing is that, you know, people always 519 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 6: think these guys are super repulsive that come and see us. 520 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 6: Some of the most attractive men that I have slept 521 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 6: with in my life. With clients as well, we get 522 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 6: a really mixed bag. You know, you never know what's 523 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 6: going to walk in the door. But what I've actually 524 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 6: found is a lot of those guys who were by 525 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 6: society standards unattractive are the best ones in bed. 526 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 8: That's what I've experienced so far. 527 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 6: So a lot of the time, those guys that you're like, oh, 528 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 6: I don't know if I can sleep with them, they 529 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 6: will be the ones that know what they're doing. 530 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 8: It's really bizarre secret power. 531 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: Maybe because they've got to put in extra work, they 532 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: don't have the pretty privilege. A final question, it is 533 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: a big job what you do, and you know you 534 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: are part therapist, part you know, and there's a lot 535 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: of physical work that does go into it. How do 536 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 1: you decompress after a session? Like what do you do 537 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 1: to kind of ground yourself. 538 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 6: When I was new in the industry, I feel like 539 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 6: the decompression thing was a big part of it. You know, 540 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 6: you'd finish the booking and you kind of stand there 541 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 6: for a second and just, I guess, dissociate, or maybe 542 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 6: sit on the ground in the shower, or get yourself 543 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 6: in the nice meal or something like that, put your 544 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 6: woodie on and sit there. 545 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 8: But after that first. 546 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 6: Year, I feel like I don't really even do that anymore. 547 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 6: You know, I'll be heading to the shops the second 548 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 6: they leave. I'll be getting changed and put my shoes 549 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 6: on and heading to the shopping because and I are like, 550 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 6: I don't really feel the need to do that. But 551 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 6: I think for a lot of workers it's really important 552 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 6: having that separation between who they are and who they 553 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 6: are for work. You know, the real person and a 554 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 6: character that they play. But as those two things kind 555 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 6: of merge over time, I don't feel the need to 556 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 6: super decompress, but I think the go to for most 557 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 6: workers is sitting on the floor of the shower and 558 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 6: just like rocking or like having the water hit their skin. 559 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 8: I don't know. I hear them talk about it all 560 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 8: the time. 561 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: Sorry, I know I keep saying final one, but I 562 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: just have one more questions on what would be your 563 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: advice for anyone thinking of getting into the business. I 564 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: know a lot of people think it's quick, easy money, 565 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: But what would be your advice now that you've been 566 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: in it for a little while. 567 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 6: Look, I would say, make sure you're doing your research 568 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 6: before you do it. It's easy enough to see people 569 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 6: like myself included doing mone accounts on social media or 570 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 6: talking about these designer bags and goods that we got, 571 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 6: But you need to understand the reality of it too, 572 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 6: and really think long and hard about it. 573 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 8: This industry isn't all glamorous, like horrible things do happen 574 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 8: to us on the job. 575 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 6: It's not always easy, and I think you need to 576 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 6: really think and consider will I be able to handle 577 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 6: it when something goes wrong? Will I be able to 578 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 6: stand up for myself and say, hey, no, that's not okay? 579 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 6: Or will you kind of flounder and allow things to 580 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 6: happen to you. It's a lot harder than it looks 581 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 6: when you're watching it on social media and make sure 582 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 6: that you really think about the way it's going to 583 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 6: impact the rest of your life, because you know, especially 584 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 6: if you're going to be face out and really outspoken 585 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 6: like myself, it's going to affect your career later on 586 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 6: if you decide you want to be an engineer or 587 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 6: work in it or work in a corporate office. 588 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 8: It's going to follow you forever. 589 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, gosh, that's good advice, isn't it. 590 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 2: If people want to inquire, they want to book your services, 591 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 2: where do they go? 592 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 3: How do they do it? 593 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 6: The best website is always Scarlet Blue, which is an 594 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 6: escorting directory here in Australia. It's probably the best one. 595 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 1: And where can we find you on the socials if 596 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: we just want to hear your stories? 597 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 6: My TikTok's probably my best one. So I have two 598 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 6: different tiktoks, a lilith Lodge three point zero and lylith 599 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 6: Lodge Secret, and my main Instagram account is Lilith Underscore 600 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 6: Lodge and I post almost story times and things like 601 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 6: that on there. 602 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: Amazing. 603 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for joining us on Saucy 604 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 2: Secrets and good luck with the future. 605 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:25,959 Speaker 1: Fascinating. 606 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 8: Thank you so much. For having me. 607 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: We have a saucy secret that's quite left of field. 608 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: It's not something I've heard of before, but it's got 609 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: me intrigued. So joining us on the phone tonight is 610 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: someone who's preferring to go by anonymous. We won't be 611 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: outing them, but we want to hear everything they have 612 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: to say. Welcome to the show, Anonymous. 613 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 7: Hi there here you guys going good? 614 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: Thank you? Now, tell us what's your saucy secret. 615 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 7: My sourcey secret is that I just attended a four 616 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 7: day long festival celebrating alternative relationships. 617 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 1: Now it's a festival. Now when you say alternative, what 618 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: does alternative exactly mean? 619 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 7: Well, alternative predominantly talks about relationships that are not monogamous. 620 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 7: So we live in a society that predominantly celebrates monogamy, 621 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 7: the relationship between two people only. But alternative relationships can 622 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 7: be a combination of different types of relationships. But the 623 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 7: great thing about this particular event is called far or 624 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 7: Festival of Alternative Relationships. It celebrates not just the alternative 625 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 7: elements of these relationships, but also celebrates connection as a whole. 626 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 7: There's a whole different ways that we connect with one 627 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 7: another's human beings, and this allows us to connect on 628 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 7: deeper levels, more intimate levels, just with the people around us, 629 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 7: not necessarily with our partners, but even just as friends 630 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 7: and as and as love as well. It's a very 631 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 7: broad way of celebrating connection. 632 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: To the normal person. That might just sound like a 633 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: festival that's just a giant boink fest. Is there a 634 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: lot of sex going on at this festival? 635 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 7: Yeah, look, undeniably, Yes, absolutely, that is definitely part of 636 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 7: the highlight. On the Saturday night, there is a mandatory 637 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 7: workshop that everyone has to attend and it's about consent, 638 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 7: it's about communication, and there's multiple elements that you can join. 639 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 7: Three parts of it, predominantly in that space there was 640 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 7: the King Space, which was sponsored by Velvet Roade and 641 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 7: Our Secret Spot. And then which was you know, to 642 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 7: do with a whole bunch of King spaces that you've 643 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,439 Speaker 7: got like impact play or whatever you've got. The Temple Space, 644 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 7: which was run by White Bikini and Charlotte, which is 645 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 7: about an escalation from getting to know people into a 646 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 7: getting into your body, getting into a movement and breast 647 00:27:55,359 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 7: and feeling into more of an organic sex environment. And 648 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 7: then lastly you had the Play space, which is essentially 649 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 7: a bunch of tents ready to rock and roll with 650 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,959 Speaker 7: plenty of hands, you know, hand wash and condons and 651 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 7: beds ready to rock and roll for people that just 652 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 7: want to jump right in. 653 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 1: So this festival is an open space where people can 654 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: actively go up to someone and say, I find you 655 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: really attractive. I'd like to get you, get to know 656 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 1: you better, perhaps on a more intimate level. So it's 657 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: just opening up those kind of conversations. 658 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 3: Are you are you in a relationship anonymous? 659 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 4: Did you? 660 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 2: Did you go to this festival with a partner or 661 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 2: just a single dude and just went in there with 662 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 2: an open wine to see what waited for you. 663 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 7: I went single this time, but I have partners that 664 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 7: have people that I've taken on dates that were there 665 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 7: with their other boyfriends I've taken. I was there with 666 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 7: other people that have already gone on dates who ended up. 667 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 7: We had a spark, but we just ended up going 668 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 7: on dates instead of being friends. And that was a 669 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 7: really great way to engage with people. 670 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: Are people engaging in front of other people? Like do 671 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: you go off to private rooms or is is it 672 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: pretty open? 673 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 7: It's look so people aren't really like especially if it's 674 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 7: broad daylight and like in the middle of the tent, 675 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 7: people are going to be able to either go to 676 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 7: their own tent or go to their own spaces, because 677 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 7: there has to be a degree of like are we 678 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 7: function Like it's going to be odd if people are 679 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 7: just like walking around just railing everywhere, but it still 680 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 7: has there's no explicit rule against it. But it's like 681 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 7: people generally respect the fact that it's like they're not 682 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 7: going to in the bathrooms, they're not going to in 683 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 7: like in like the cuddle puddle tents. They're just going 684 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 7: to like, you've got spaces to do it where it 685 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 7: makes more sense feel that. 686 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: And I'm just looking at some of the workshops that 687 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: are on offer at this event, and you've got sound Healing, 688 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: Lovely Yep, how to develop lap dance experience, massage etiquette. 689 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: And then there's conscious sugar dating. What is conscious sugar dating? 690 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 7: Yeah, Conscious sugar dating was pretty interesting. That was explaining 691 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 7: how there were some sugar daddies that were basically asking 692 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 7: for the girlfriend experience because they've got the money and 693 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 7: they just generally don't have the time. General will find 694 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 7: like older single men that are looking for a younger 695 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 7: date to be able to spoil and to engage in 696 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 7: an intimate relationship, or to discuss elements where it is 697 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 7: mostly the tonic people that wouldn't normally be in your life. 698 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 7: You can bridge that gap with money. 699 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 2: Anonymous, thank you so much for telling us all about 700 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 2: the far festival. It sounds like a wild couple of 701 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 2: days and I'm glad you had a good time and 702 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 2: we appreciate you coming on Sucy Secrets. 703 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 4: No, it's all. 704 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 7: Welcome, Thank you very much. 705 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: Now, I'm very passionate about my sex toys. I have 706 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: tried all of them pretty much, but they are expanding, 707 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: and they're expanding. 708 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 2: Rapidly, becoming more common. You know, the taboo is gone. 709 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 2: It's a completely normal thing to have wherever you keep 710 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 2: it in your bedroom. 711 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: Yes, and for those of us who have been single 712 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: for quite a long time, there are filling boyfriends. But 713 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: where is a new one. We've actually got it on 714 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: the show today. It's called the handy interactive stroker. 715 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 716 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: Wild. 717 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 2: We were looking at the catalog that the products that 718 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 2: you can get from Juju and this one we went wha. 719 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: It stumped us, whoa? We thought, Okay, we've gone very 720 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: modern age now, so we need someone to come on 721 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: and tell us how it actually works in this world 722 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: of AI. So joining us today is Anton who's the 723 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: founder and managing director of Juju, my favorite sex toy company, 724 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: and he's going to explain what the heck is a 725 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: handy interactive stroker and why do all men need it? 726 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 8: Thank you for having me on the show. 727 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 5: It is a piece of tech which is absolutely incredible. 728 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 5: It's for penisis. It's an AI stroker which connects to 729 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 5: VA and synchronize it with the actually sitting on screen. 730 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: So basically, if you're watching porn, you can sink it 731 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: to the pawn. So it like so the stroker is 732 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: working as if you're the one having sex. Is that right? 733 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 5: That's right. 734 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: I'm worried that, like us women are going to be 735 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: out of a job. You would be like having a 736 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: really good time to your favorite porn stuff. What else 737 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: is coming up in terms of AI and sex toys, 738 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: Like what are they working on at the moment? What 739 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: else are you selling? 740 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 5: At this stage? They're really focusing on the couples elements 741 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 5: of these toys. So this product, yes, you can enjoy 742 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 5: it as a solo session, but it's designed more in 743 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 5: terms of let's say you're in a long business relationship, 744 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 5: your significant other is across the world. They can control 745 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 5: it through their app, So it's kind of bridging relationships together. 746 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 5: So even though you're a part, you're still together, you 747 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 5: can still have fun together. And that's kind of where 748 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 5: the world within this AI sex take is heading. So 749 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 5: not so much the AI. 750 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 8: Robots. 751 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 5: That's more about bridging couples together and the experiences together, 752 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 5: and of course, you know, giving the painters are owned 753 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 5: as a an awesome experience in the process. Because the 754 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 5: whole sex of industry throughout the history has always been 755 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 5: focused on female pleasure, So now male pleasures really come 756 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 5: out and men are realized, well, hang on a second, 757 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 5: we want something unique and new and different as well. 758 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 5: And that's why there's a whole boom in male sex tech. 759 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: And it's so interesting because I got shamed the other 760 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: day and I really had to check myself because I 761 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: was hosting like a tell me a saucy secret thing 762 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: on my Instagram and this guy was like, I love cockages, 763 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: and I was sorry, what hang on here? What a cockage? 764 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 2: What is a cockcage? 765 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: That was my That was My first reaction and my 766 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: first interaction, which I had to check myself, was I went, ill, 767 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,479 Speaker 1: a cockage. That's gross, And then I googled it and 768 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: it's like where men they can actually put their. 769 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 3: Cocks in a cage in a cage. 770 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: And so the women tease them and they can't do 771 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: anything about it, and it's about longevity. And I kind 772 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: of had a bit of attitude around it and went 773 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: off on my Instagram, and then all these guys came 774 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: from me and they're like, wait, you talk about vibrators 775 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: and dialdos all the time. Why are you shaming us? 776 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,399 Speaker 1: And I really had to step back and go, oh, 777 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: I was shaming you, and that's not really fair because 778 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: I would get upset at anyone for shaming me for 779 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 1: talking about dialdo's a vibrators exactly. So I'm like, okay, 780 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: so it is. We do have to get rid of 781 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: the taboo because there is all this amazing stuff for men. 782 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 2: Now now while we've while we've got you on the show, 783 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 2: there are rumors that have gone around that you have 784 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 2: once sold a dildo that's worth more than a lot 785 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 2: of people would. 786 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,720 Speaker 3: Spend on their cars. Is this true? What was this dildo? 787 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 3: Made of and where did it end up? 788 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 5: Yes, so I was actually really shocked when I made 789 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 5: this sell in twenty twenty two and or it was 790 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 5: placed on the website for a twenty four parent old 791 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 5: player vibrator. Wow, you're a buyer in New South Wales 792 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 5: and it's called Leloes And to be honest, till that day, 793 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 5: like still still now I think about it, and it 794 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 5: caused us so much stress because we were so worried 795 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,240 Speaker 5: that it was like whether io it was a genuine 796 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 5: order or not. I think one it was a fifteen 797 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 5: thousand dollars chargeback. 798 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: Yes, that's a lot of. 799 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 8: A lot of stress. 800 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 5: After that one sale. My suppliers, the brands, everyone tells us, 801 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 5: let's let's let's never sell it again. How do you 802 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 5: deliver that stress? 803 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: Like did you personally deliver it or are you putting 804 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: it in the post? 805 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 3: The armor guard dropped it off. Yes, there was an 806 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 3: escort to get it to the house. 807 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: And do we know who it was for? Like was 808 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: it a Christmas present? Who's buying this? 809 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:48,760 Speaker 3: I don't have thoseails. 810 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 5: I don't have those details. But I didn't find him online. 811 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 5: I did my due diligence to make sure it's genuine 812 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 5: and yeah when he went to a person in New 813 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:56,720 Speaker 5: South Wales. 814 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 2: All right, next up, it's a diamond crusted dildo. That's 815 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 2: the next one that's going to be worth one point 816 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 2: two million dollars. Look, we love Juju obviously Juju is 817 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 2: keeping the lights on here at Saucy Secrets. 818 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 3: Oh by the way, before we. 819 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 2: Get out of here, before we're at things up, we've 820 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 2: got to give away one of these AI bad boys 821 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 2: on the show tonight. 822 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 3: Ah right, this is the one. 823 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 2: You want. Go interactive with the handy AI stroker. Let 824 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 2: a partner control it remotely or sink it to content 825 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 2: for lifelike motion, longer stroke, quieter power. Get it at 826 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 2: Juju Jou jou dot comdre you. But if you want 827 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 2: to win one, we're going to give away one tonight, 828 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 2: So jump on kiss dot comdre you and you could. 829 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 2: You could be letting AI int your bedroom quicker than 830 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,720 Speaker 2: you think, Anton mate, Thank you for coming on Saucy Secrets. 831 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 8: Thank you for having me appreciate it. 832 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 3: And on that note, what's the same time flines? When 833 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 3: you're having fun? 834 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: It really is? 835 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:41,919 Speaker 3: Do we have some fun? 836 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god? 837 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 3: On this show? That's us done for you. 838 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 2: Another week on Saucy Secrets, but make sure you grab 839 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 2: the podcast on the free iHeart app. Make sure you're 840 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 2: watching the videos on YouTube like subscribe, tell your friends, 841 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 2: tell your family, tell you Nan, we don't care. Just 842 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 2: get on board. 843 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 1: Yes or tell us, slide into a DM, tell us 844 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,919 Speaker 1: you still it is your secret place and you could 845 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: end up on the show. 846 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 3: And we'll see you next week. 847 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 1: Bye.