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Speaker 1: Black cast, Unite our voices. Black Magic Women Podcast acknowledges

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Speaker 1: We would like to pay our respects to our elders

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Speaker 1: Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mandinara Baales. Hello all you

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Speaker 1: morbn Welcome to another episode of the one and only

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Speaker 1: Black Magic Women Podcast. I am going to do something different.

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Speaker 1: If you've been following my journey, it's only been about

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Speaker 1: four years this podcast journey. I've always had yarns with

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Speaker 1: people from all walks of lives, and not always First

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Speaker 1: that the conversations were more personal than business. I always

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Speaker 1: kind of I don't know, it's I think it's the

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Speaker 1: going to hand over now and I'm going to become

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Speaker 1: basically have a yarn with me. We did talk about this,

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Speaker 1: is podcast journey. There's not actually a yarn out there.

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Speaker 1: So Kate has agreed no pressure, agreed to, you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're being very brave, and I think this

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Speaker 1: At the start of my business journey, my aunt Lela

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Speaker 1: Well, my grandmother started or founded Corey Radio back in

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Speaker 2: Well said, and I completely agree with your approach. I

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Speaker 1: For our MOB. I'll be honest with this. When we

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Speaker 1: people don't have time. So don't feel especially for our mom,

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Speaker 1: don't feel like you can't stop a meeting, and just say,

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Speaker 1: in our culture, you know, human relationships come first. And

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Speaker 1: I just feel more comfortable if we started it a

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Speaker 1: little different. Can I just share a little bit about

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Speaker 1: myself and I'll hand over to you. Our culture, I

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Speaker 1: think is much more superior our knowledge. Our governance system,

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Speaker 1: I feel is a lot more superior than Western governance

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Speaker 1: and knowledge because it's all about conflict and who's in power.

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Speaker 1: We're black, follows a very different society, very different way

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Speaker 1: of doing business. So don't see each other as competitors.

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Speaker 1: And this is a message to every black fellow in business,

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Speaker 1: and if you're a deadly black woman in business as well,

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Speaker 1: don't see other women as competitors. We need to work

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Speaker 1: together because it's part of our culture, how we collaborate,

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Speaker 1: So use our knowledge and our approach even in business,

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Speaker 1: and you'll be much more I'm telling you now, not

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Speaker 1: just successful. You're going to feel like you're doing things

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Speaker 1: the right way. When we follow our way and our

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Speaker 1: culture and our values and our principles. Yeah, you feel

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Speaker 1: good about what you're doing and how you're doing things.

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Speaker 1: We try and navigate the white fellow world and you're

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Speaker 1: operating on white terms, you start to feel a little

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Speaker 1: bit either uncomfortable or not as confident. That's a reminder, right,

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Speaker 1: go back to our way and we get better outcomes.

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Speaker 2: I feel like we've just had a little insight into

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Speaker 2: some of the Black Card training as well.

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Speaker 1: Literally, the Black Card training is the Elders, right, it's

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Speaker 1: their university courses that they developed at the University of

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Speaker 1: post grade students. That knowledge forms the foundations of our training.

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Speaker 1: So it's a university level education. It's strength based. It

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Speaker 1: talks about our knowledge that comes from this land and

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Speaker 1: that's what we should be operating from, especially as blackfellows.

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Speaker 2: It's something to fill everyone with pride to be the

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Speaker 2: beneficiary of this knowledge of our elders and how you're

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Speaker 2: doing such important work passing that on not only to

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Speaker 2: the next generation but to non average in Australia through

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Speaker 2: the work that you do and your generosity in sharing that.

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Speaker 2: And now that you've just said that people can call you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm worried for you, and I'm worried for

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Speaker 2: the phone calls that you're going.

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Speaker 1: To Laylor, get ready, get ready for the phone. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: LinkedIn LinkedIn. If you're not on LinkedIn, then you know,

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Speaker 1: reach out to me. I'll help you with your profile

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Speaker 1: because LinkedIn is so important, so important to have a

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Speaker 1: good LinkedIn profile. And I spent money with a LinkedIn expert.

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Speaker 1: There's twenty five in the world right that you can

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Speaker 1: go to and they tell you everything about LinkedIn and

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Speaker 1: they're not cheap. But it was the best couple of

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Speaker 1: grand that I spent on investing in my LinkedIn profile

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Speaker 1: and training and understanding hashtags on LinkedIn. The first three

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Speaker 1: hashtags are picked up in whatever it's called the algorithm.

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Speaker 1: The algorithm right first three hashtags. If you go hashtag indigenous,

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Speaker 1: there's about one hundred followers. So if you go hashtag education,

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Speaker 1: there's nine million followers. Hashtag leadership, twenty million followers. Hashtag business,

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Speaker 1: hashtag women not hashtag indigenous, hashtag truth telling, hashtag culture.

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Speaker 1: Forget those hashtags on LinkedIn. It's not going to get

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Speaker 1: your post in people's feeds, So little things like that,

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Speaker 1: I get quite passionate about LinkedIn, So hit me up,

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Speaker 1: connect and stay in touch.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much Mondaar for letting me be

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Speaker 2: in the driver's seat. I've been very privileged to know

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Speaker 2: you before this interview and get to hear some of

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Speaker 2: your story. But I think it's good that we've got

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Speaker 2: to turn the tables and you got to share your experiences,

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Speaker 2: your knowledge, and your wisdom with your audience who get

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Speaker 2: to see a different side of you for a change.

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Speaker 2: So thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you Kate for taking up the opportunity. I

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Speaker 1: didn't know how it was going to go. But Kate,

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Speaker 1: have you done media before?

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Speaker 2: Well, bless and natural, just jump straight in. Well, this

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Speaker 2: is our way we are. I said beforehand, like this

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Speaker 2: is going to be easy. We're possible.

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Speaker 1: You don't overthink it just because there's microphones and lights

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Speaker 1: and you, yes, you need a Deadly producer as well.

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Speaker 1: That's how the magic happens at black Magic Commen. So

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Speaker 1: thank you Kate for just being being open to a

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Speaker 1: different It's not even opportunity, it's being open to coming

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Speaker 1: and doing doing it differently. So thank you. Pleasure love it.

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Speaker 1: If you'd like any more info on today's guest, please

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Speaker 1: visit our show notes in the episode description. A big

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Speaker 1: shout out to all you Deadly Mob and allies who

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Speaker 1: means the world. You can rate and review the podcast

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Speaker 1: and YouTube channel and drop us a line. We'd love

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Speaker 1: to hear from you. The Black Magic Woman podcast is

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Speaker 1: produced by Clint Curtis

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